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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 11, 2014 13:38:40 GMT
Lets stop the insults please and not send another thread spiraling off topic.
I really don't known what all the fuss is about because having read that article yesterday it doesn't go anywhere near the TRUST.
It said community trust when it was written and still says it now.
Believe me CAST are the last thing on the minds of KM and RD. They are aware of their existence but not interested as to why.
My main concern here though is some of the stuff that is flying about between some of you.
No names but you know who you are so let's knock it on the head right here and now because there is no need for it.
We don't like issuing bans or reminding people of their responsibilities on here.
Disagree by all means but stop the personal abuse and insults. If you don't know how to use your PM facility to have a personal, disagreement I suggest you leave it at that instead of using the forum instead to do it.
It puts people off and I won't have it.
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Post by webbo on Sept 11, 2014 15:31:58 GMT
Lets stop the insults please and not send another thread spiraling off topic. I really don't known what all the fuss is about because having read that article yesterday it doesn't go anywhere near the TRUST. It said community trust when it was written and still says it now. Believe me CAST are the last thing on the minds of KM and RD. They are aware of their existence but not interested as to why. My main concern here though is some of the stuff that is flying about between some of you. No names but you know who you are so let's knock it on the head right here and now because there is no need for it. We don't like issuing bans or reminding people of their responsibilities on here. Disagree by all means but stop the personal abuse and insults. If you don't know how to use your PM facility to have a personal, disagreement I suggest you leave it at that instead of using the forum instead to do it. It puts people off and I won't have it. There is an exclusive interview with KM in the latest trust news:
www.castrust.org/2014/09/tnt-7-exclusive-katrien-interview-tomorrow-ragm/
So it is (according to the evidence) not the last thing on KM's mind at least.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 11, 2014 15:41:19 GMT
Fair enough I hadn't realise that so good for her but listen I don't really care, all I want is this place to run smoothly and I assure you it will.
Those who refuse to buy into it will have to go and post somewhere else, I haven't got time for supervising grown men.
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Post by Reamsisgod on Sept 11, 2014 16:01:44 GMT
Fair enough I hadn't realise that so good for her but listen I don't really care, all I want is this place to run smoothly and I assure you it will. Those who refuse to buy into it will have to go and post somewhere else, I haven't got time for supervising grown men. Reams this thread is yet another excuse for some to promote CAST, did your thread not cover everyone's opinion in great detail. There are some strong views on here by people who support the trust and Sir Chris, post on CL but don't go to games. They post on here knowing what the reaction is going to be why?
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 11, 2014 16:09:47 GMT
Vince, myself and Doug know that at the moment there is a handful of people from other Charlton forums who have nothing better to do than come on here and ruffle a few feathers which is clearly what they are achieving judging by some of the reactions.
As far as CAST are concerned leave them to have their day, they don't have many so when they do they are going to wet themselves with excitement. Having KM speak to them has only taken them 8 months so that tells it's own story.
Getting back to those who just here to cause a stir - you are being watched so enjoy it while it lasts.
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Post by webbo on Sept 11, 2014 16:15:46 GMT
I am not on here to 'promote' the trust, but 'scuse me, I also did not start a thread calling on Charlton fans not to join the trust. If this site is going to bring joining/not joining the trust up in the first place, then there can be no surprise that discussion about the trust will then follow.
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Post by webbo on Sept 11, 2014 16:18:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 16:46:39 GMT
I think the point Reams was making, was not that people cannot have discussion, it was about the continue slanging matches that become embroiled between a few posters. That type of behaviour is not necessary from grown men. If you violently disagree with a post, then take it up with the author in a PM, and not start personal snide comments at each other on the thread.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 11, 2014 16:52:02 GMT
Vince, myself and Doug know that at the moment there is a handful of people from other Charlton forums who have nothing better to do than come on here and ruffle a few feathers which is clearly what they are achieving judging by some of the reactions. As far as CAST are concerned leave them to have their day, they don't have many so when they do they are going to wet themselves with excitement. Having KM speak to them has only taken them 8 months so that tells it's own story. Getting back to those who just here to cause a stir - you are being watched so enjoy it while it lasts. Just to put some facts in here... Razil myself and two other Trust Board members first met Katrien Meire in January 2014 within weeks of the takeover. I believe Richard Murray, KM and some of the management team met with members of the Fans Forum either that night or soon after. In February members of both were invited to a consultation on ST options and pricing with Ben Kensell which was clearly sanctioned by the club. Trust was maintained as none of the details were leaked. Also in February RM spoke at a Trust meeting just as he is doing so tonight. I don't know the precise engagement between the Trust Board and KM after I left in March but one assumes it continued after a brief break - as I recall the club quite reasonably requested a break while they focused on avoiding relegation. I don't think they wanted fans all over the place and, in retrospect they were clearly forming plans for summer changes. Again they needed 100% focus to straighten out the pitch and management structure. Some think fans should have a say in this stuff but I recall you and I were in violent agreement (!) that fans and day to day management is a spectacularly bad idea! I await a copy of Trust News to see an interview with KM - this and her other releases will all colour in the picture. Interesting to see that she and Bob Peeter's have done the heavy lifting first and speak from a position of strength. One can only speculate as to the reception of recent deadline day statements if we only had four or five points. In summary it appears to be an open question as to whether CAFC will ask the supporters trust to help promote games? Perhaps someone will ask the Trust and club chair tonight?!
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Post by webbo on Sept 11, 2014 17:05:21 GMT
Inkblot I apologise for my language used. I can only say in my defence that I have never initiated any slanging match with any poster, but I have reacted if any poster has attacked or been disrespectful to me. I know it comes over as 'he started it' which in my view is true, but I have had the option not to react, but chose the wrong option. it is hard to keep a straight bat when the subject of hit and run insults I admit, but I understand inkblot you moderate this site with reams and in my view you do a good job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 17:33:01 GMT
Inkblot I apologise for my language used. I can only say in my defence that I have never initiated any slanging match with any poster, but I have reacted if any poster has attacked or been disrespectful to me. I know it comes over as 'he started it' which in my view is true, but I have had the option not to react, but chose the wrong option. it is hard to keep a straight bat when the subject of hit and run insults I admit, but I understand inkblot you moderate this site with reams and in my view you do a good job.
Webbo, your apology is accepted.
The following applies to all posters on these forums.
Both Ream and I know that it is easy to get heated at times, but can I suggest you take a pace back. Cool off for half an hour, then if you still feel you have been wronged, take it up in a PM with the person concerned. Other posters are not interested in members going off topic and having slanging spats. Plus it lowers the tone of this forums and is so unnecessary especially when swearing at each other is involved.
Thank you.
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Post by razil on Sept 11, 2014 22:52:58 GMT
We also met her in July which is when she agreed to the interview, and you may notice TNT is available inside the ground for the first time on Saturday.
I rather like the sound of her last paragraph tho on that BBC interview
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 11, 2014 23:11:04 GMT
BBC interview as opposed to yours? That sounds promising for you Razil.
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Post by DFT on Sept 13, 2014 13:23:58 GMT
We need more pics of Katrien
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 17:12:38 GMT
We also met her in July which is when she agreed to the interview, and you may notice TNT is available inside the ground for the first time on Saturday. I rather like the sound of her last paragraph tho on that BBC interview Oh dear....Self Important Barney pipes up,again.... " We met her in July" you say....and who's request ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 17:13:33 GMT
We nned more pics of Katrien Don't let overthetop read that
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Post by razil on Sept 14, 2014 9:58:35 GMT
We also met her in July which is when she agreed to the interview, and you may notice TNT is available inside the ground for the first time on Saturday. I rather like the sound of her last paragraph tho on that BBC interview Oh dear....Self Important Barney pipes up,again.... " We met her in July" you say....and who's request ? Not meant to be, just thought it was interesting to see that comment, that and her exclusive for TNT would suggests that opinion that KM doesn't consider talking to recognised fans groups important is untrue. "Our" request meaning CASTrust, we've also had two meetings with her since the takeover ( in addition to the FF). I don't think we're quite there yet but there is slow progress. I'm not going to wet myself over it just trying to give the facts out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 11:09:36 GMT
Oh dear....Self Important Barney pipes up,again.... " We met her in July" you say....and who's request ? Not meant to be, just thought it was interesting to see that comment, that and her exclusive for TNT would suggests that opinion that KM doesn't consider talking to recognised fans groups important is untrue. "Our" request meaning CASTrust, we've also had two meetings with her since the takeover ( in addition to the FF). I don't think we're quite there yet but there is slow progress. I'm not going to wet myself over it just trying to give the facts out. Setting aside for a minute CASTs legitimacy, why don't you take stock of how NOT to go about things by studying the actions of the ex Fans Director? For years he played on the idea that he had privileged access to the then owners "(as I was saying to Richard Murray on the phone last night)....all his self importance ended up doing was alienating the fans he was supposed to serve, but ended up looking down his nose at. CAST will go the same way.
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Post by razil on Sept 14, 2014 11:34:59 GMT
Not meant to be, just thought it was interesting to see that comment, that and her exclusive for TNT would suggests that opinion that KM doesn't consider talking to recognised fans groups important is untrue. "Our" request meaning CASTrust, we've also had two meetings with her since the takeover ( in addition to the FF). I don't think we're quite there yet but there is slow progress. I'm not going to wet myself over it just trying to give the facts out. Setting aside for a minute CASTs legitimacy, why don't you take stock of how NOT to go about things by studying the actions of the ex Fans Director? For years he played on the idea that he had privileged access to the then owners "(as I was saying to Richard Murray on the phone last night)....all his self importance ended up doing was alienating the fans he was supposed to serve, but ended up looking down his nose at. CAST will go the same way. I do appreciate what you are saying, however if that was the case we would have made a song and dance about at the time - we didnt. The only reason I mentioned it here is others have posted that castrust has been ignored and that isnt the case.
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Post by Reamsisgod on Sept 14, 2014 12:24:05 GMT
Setting aside for a minute CASTs legitimacy, why don't you take stock of how NOT to go about things by studying the actions of the ex Fans Director? For years he played on the idea that he had privileged access to the then owners "(as I was saying to Richard Murray on the phone last night)....all his self importance ended up doing was alienating the fans he was supposed to serve, but ended up looking down his nose at. CAST will go the same way. I do appreciate what you are saying, however if that was the case we would have made a song and dance about at the time - we didnt. The only reason I mentioned it here is others have posted that castrust has been ignored and that isnt the case. The only people who have ignored the Trust are 19000 Charlton supporters.
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Post by razil on Sept 15, 2014 10:43:52 GMT
they seem to be ignoring Charlton too at the moment, best start in years yet the ground looks half empty. Match sales are down year on year, and around 1400 season ticket holders have not renewed.
CAS Trust has a network of approaching 5000, (with some duplication I expect on twitter/facebook) but roughly 1080 members, 1700 subscribers, nearly 1841 on twitter and 355 on facebook
We are also one of the biggest Trusts in the Championship, if our research is correct (which it might not be) around 55% are interested and between 20-40% will join of those in our experience, if the research is accurate and if my Maths are right between 1000-2000 depending on what the real number of fans is. Given we haven't had a major crisis we compare pretty well with elsewhere I believe.
Seriously Red can correct my figures as before he left the Trust Board he did a lot of valuable analysis.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:49:46 GMT
they seem to be ignoring Charlton too at the moment, best start in years yet the ground looks half empty. Match sales are down year on year, and around 1400 season ticket holders have not renewed. CAS Trust has a network of approaching 5000, (with some duplication I expect on twitter/facebook) but roughly 1080 members, 1700 subscribers, nearly 1841 on twitter and 355 on facebook We are also one of the biggest Trusts in the Championship, if our research is correct (which it might not be) around 55% are interested and between 20-40% will join of those in our experience, if the research is accurate and if my Maths are right between 1000-2000 depending on what the real number of fans is. Given we haven't had a major crisis we compare pretty well with elsewhere I believe. Seriously Red can correct my figures as before he left the Trust Board he did a lot of valuable analysis. Never thought I would say it, but I agree with your comment Barney. The crowd on Saturday was terrible - 17,600 my arse. we are slowly shedding around1,000 paying customers every season....before much longer we will be down to 10,000 The customer service on both non match days and match days at the Valley is still terrible - the Club Shop and the Ticket Office in particular employ staff who would struggle to make holes in the donuts in Greggs.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 15, 2014 15:36:52 GMT
On the overall fan base my guess is that there are 25,000 active supporters who have season tickets or go between once and ten times a season. Of these, the ones who have participated in surveys indicate 40% not into the Trust 20% already engaged and 40% are interested. So they get added every time and the numbers go up. As Razil suggests for every 1,000 who become subscribers, 200 pay their fiver and become full members.
On an announced basis the gates are up by about 500 on last season but 1,500 down on the year before.
Clearly prices have changed up and then down again and our first three home games have been different.
Long term I've always maintained that the club will die a death unless it got back to the top six as many fans simply won't keep going to bottom half games.
There is a discussion on CL about how to get gates back up again. Personally a free Premier league ticket does it for me. I did have the odd chat with staff on this one a year back but Jiminez and Slater were never going to sanction the building of a mass fan effort to promote the club were they?!
Some people get confused about the timing and reality of things which is unfortunate... Let's see if the club can kick off another engagement.
Alternatively they may simply get the cheque book out in January to bolster the squad and this will hopefully edge crowds up. Quite simply they might not have the time nor the appetite to deal with volunteers given the volatility and comments so far this year?!
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Post by bingaddick on Sept 15, 2014 16:24:39 GMT
From what I understand, the dialogue between KM and The Trust may well lead to the Trust helping the club to make contact with supporters who no longer attend.
I feel far happier with KM (and RD) running (owning) our club than I have felt in the last 7 years. Whilst it could be argued that the Cash/TJ/MS regime saved us from administration, they all but plunged us back in and the last couple of seasons were run on a shoestring.
KM is brighter than a brain pie and she knows how important it is to be in contact with supporter groups. Of course there would be natural caution, not least because they sacked Chris Powell, restructured the club admin side leading to redundancies of long standing club servants and were concentrating on the task of galvanising the club to stave off relegation. Now that the club has turned that corner it would be complete folly not to engage with groups who hold the club so dear and want it to succeed.
To me it looks from the outside as if the Trust is offering positive and progressive support to the new regime which I absolutely welcome.
I have decided to put my money where my mouth is and join.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:01:58 GMT
they seem to be ignoring Charlton too at the moment, best start in years yet the ground looks half empty. Match sales are down year on year, and around 1400 season ticket holders have not renewed. CAS Trust has a network of approaching 5000, (with some duplication I expect on twitter/facebook) but roughly 1080 members, 1700 subscribers, nearly 1841 on twitter and 355 on facebook We are also one of the biggest Trusts in the Championship, if our research is correct (which it might not be) around 55% are interested and between 20-40% will join of those in our experience, if the research is accurate and if my Maths are right between 1000-2000 depending on what the real number of fans is. Given we haven't had a major crisis we compare pretty well with elsewhere I believe. Seriously Red can correct my figures as before he left the Trust Board he did a lot of valuable analysis. Never thought I would say it, but I agree with your comment Barney. The crowd on Saturday was terrible - 17,600 my arse. we are slowly shedding around1,000 paying customers every season....before much longer we will be down to 10,000 The customer service on both non match days and match days at the Valley is still terrible - the Club Shop and the Ticket Office in particular employ staff who would struggle to make holes in the donuts in Greggs. And talking of donuts, anyone in the East Stand got a comment to make on the new burger bar only having 2 tills? Took me the whole of half time - and I was out of my seat as quick as - to get to the counter and I got back to my seat just as the second half was kicking off. And the food was shocking. How they've managed to make it worse than last year God only knows. Pity the guy behind me who only wanted a cup of tea and discovered when he got there they'd got no milk! Crowd suggests around just 4000 non-season ticket holders I guess - Watford had 3k there, we've got around 10k STs is it (all of which would be counted)?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:03:54 GMT
Re attendances, no substitute for good winning football. Of course over the years this has been supported by the Target10k initiatives as well.
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Post by bingaddick on Sept 15, 2014 17:43:38 GMT
Re attendances, no substitute for good winning football. Of course over the years this has been supported by the Target10k initiatives as well. Yes indeed. Having no strategy for gaining "customers" would be a great folly but the product needs to be worth it otherwise they will be wasting their time. It's a whole package that is needed. 1. A good on pitch product (exciting football with a decent chance of getting into the playoffs) 2. A decent experience at the ground (burger bars etc clearly need some more work) 3. Marketing support to get people in such as free/cheap tickets - I paid £20 odd quid for my ticket on Saturday. I would rather there was bums on seats even if there were loads of school kids etc making noise and paying for burgers.
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Post by Reamsisgod on Sept 15, 2014 19:15:45 GMT
I know RD has a strategy for increasing season ticket sales for next season and things won't happen until Feb/March. If however we get promoted ticket sales will soar in any case.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 15, 2014 23:21:17 GMT
I know RD has a strategy for increasing season ticket sales for next season and things won't happen until Feb/March. If however we get promoted ticket sales will soar in any case. They picked up the club just over six months ago and have done all the right things so far. It will take two years to turn it around and the squad is clearly built for the next two to three years...only Buyens and Bulot are season long loans plus Wilson deal expires next summer...the rest are on long term deals. So the playing side has been sorted and I hope we have a crack at the play-offs this season or next. Off the field they need to get hold of attitudes, opinions, fans support and a mass of data on lapse fans. Getting a club / fan initiative off the ground might be fraught but then again the playing side gives good cover to do a launch. As I posted before I left the Trust side six months back...I was busy and also tired of some of the players...and quite fancied putting some two footed tackles in on a few jokers who were spinning against Duchatelet Your Trust is the way forwards because, unlike anything seen before at CAFC, fans and the web message boards can steer it...any one getting away from the central message of supporting the club gets found out fairly quickly. Anyone is free to attend a trust meeting where Richard Murray speaks so no one can claim to have the inside track.
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Post by razil on Sept 16, 2014 7:42:11 GMT
Probably too early to say on what gates are this year, and of course the figures would have I expect have been skewed by the 1400 comps for lapsed STs for Wigan. But looking around it looks visibly less full particularly North Lower.
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