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Post by addickteduk on Sept 23, 2024 12:51:30 GMT
Cardiff have had 7 managers in less than 5 years... they may be in the (bottom of the) Championship but their owner seems to view things similarly to those at Watford - whilst we've hardly spent big, he has brought in his players, and there has been significant improvement in all areas of the club...now that obviously isn't directly related to 3 points on a Saturday but it still matters, and the potential and the improvement to date - even if really only in the table, and more autonomy than many clubs would be able to offer does play a part.
The squad is still way off top 2, the investment has been miniscule in comparison to others (not just Wrexham and Brum) and we lost Alfie, Dobbo etc but it's still early days - I'm sure it would be a tough decision for NJ given his history and roots etc, but I for one really hope he stays and continues the rebuild....hopefully with more money to spend!
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 23, 2024 13:11:28 GMT
Now, I’ve only watched on game “live”, Saturday plus a few via Sky. So in a way I find it difficult to be critical of events and personnel given my lack of viewing experience of the team plus my enforced absence due to ill health (sorry to bore by repeating myself, just doing so for context). Anyway - in so far as this thread is concerned, when Jones was appointed I must say I was pleased. I hoped, and expected, that a young coach with experience elsewhere at a higher level, and with a promotion on his CV, would be an upgrade on what we’d had before. I also thought, and this is where my lack of knowledge regarding football matters lets me down, I thought we would play a more modern style of football, on the deck, and that in the main the long ball hoof it up to the lone striker would be abandoned and only used occasionally. In essence, I had hoped for football that is pleasing on the eye - entertaining, but none the less structured to get results and ultimately promotion. I didn’t enjoy Saturday at all. And even if we’d snatched a draw I would have felt the same. If what was on display against Blackpool was an example of the way Jones wants his teams to play fair enough. But for this fan of many years “Jones ball” simply doesn’t get the juices flowing, and if he’s lured to Cardiff, personally I wouldn’t be too bothered. However, such a move would yet again leave the club searching for another coach mid season etc, etc. Just to top things off - Jones is a very experience coach and there’s no reason to think he can’t get a tune out of the squad and after all we’re only seven games into the season. Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). Apologies for rambling, just my scrambled thoughts👍🏻 I had the same hopes as your bold paragraph above. I knew Nathan played a certain style in terms of high pressure, high intensity, very physical, etc but I didn't realise the actual football would be so basic. I'm still hoping this isn't his plan at all and we just haven't got the mix of personnell right yet, but the more we play like it the more I'm doubting this hope. I agree it's not fun to watch at all. I was concerned when he joined that I wouldn't like his style of football and I'm getting more concerned by the game. Appleton played more attractive football, but couldn't defend. That's a big red flag for me as he was pretty useless. |
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Post by geronimo on Sept 23, 2024 13:19:27 GMT
Now, I’ve only watched on game “live”, Saturday plus a few via Sky. So in a way I find it difficult to be critical of events and personnel given my lack of viewing experience of the team plus my enforced absence due to ill health (sorry to bore by repeating myself, just doing so for context). Anyway - in so far as this thread is concerned, when Jones was appointed I must say I was pleased. I hoped, and expected, that a young coach with experience elsewhere at a higher level, and with a promotion on his CV, would be an upgrade on what we’d had before. I also thought, and this is where my lack of knowledge regarding football matters lets me down, I thought we would play a more modern style of football, on the deck, and that in the main the long ball hoof it up to the lone striker would be abandoned and only used occasionally. In essence, I had hoped for football that is pleasing on the eye - entertaining, but none the less structured to get results and ultimately promotion. I didn’t enjoy Saturday at all. And even if we’d snatched a draw I would have felt the same. If what was on display against Blackpool was an example of the way Jones wants his teams to play fair enough. But for this fan of many years “Jones ball” simply doesn’t get the juices flowing, and if he’s lured to Cardiff, personally I wouldn’t be too bothered. However, such a move would yet again leave the club searching for another coach mid season etc, etc. Just to top things off - Jones is a very experience coach and there’s no reason to think he can’t get a tune out of the squad and after all we’re only seven games into the season. Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). Apologies for rambling, just my scrambled thoughts👍🏻 I had the same hopes as your bold paragraph above. I knew Nathan played a certain style in terms of high pressure, high intensity, very physical, etc but I didn't realise the actual football would be so basic. I'm still hoping this isn't his plan at all and we just haven't got the mix of personnell right yet, but the more we play like it the more I'm doubting this hope. I agree it's not fun to watch at all. I was concerned when he joined that I wouldn't like his style of football and I'm getting more concerned by the game. Appleton played more attractive football, but couldn't defend. That's a big red flag for me as he was pretty useless. For Appleton he lost his attacking threat of Aneke and then Leaburn. Then C B-T downed tools literally. Jones hasn't the luxury of both either. Our problem is as ever , midfield, except Coventry and Jones not using Taylor of Tayo Edun at Amy time, just 'the orange men '. |
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Post by madz on Sept 23, 2024 13:22:17 GMT
His decision to change the defence at the weekend was a bizarre one, but overall I would be disappointed if he left. I would also be surprised if he did, because jumping to another team straight away would not look very good to any future employer, knowing they will leave as soon as a slightly better position arrives. Would show no loyalty factor.
I like his passion and I also like that he's added bite to our team. But he needs to be more offensive and get them scoring more goals. I like our defence, especially with A Mitchell in there. Really no idea what tactic he was aiming for by dropping him completely, especially for REG. I don't dislike REG but Mitchell is a far superior defender.
If he does jump ship it would just prove the type of person he is if he did. I don't think he will though so not going to get on his case, so I imagine this is just all paper talk. Like I say, I hope he stays and think he will.
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Post by millwallfan on Sept 23, 2024 14:17:00 GMT
Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). After Gary Rowett left, the manager’s job at Millwall was down to Joe Edwards and Nathan Jones as to who would get it. Ultimately the board chose Edwards, and I believe one of the reasons (and maybe the most important one) why Jones wasn’t chosen was because he wanted a release clause in his contract, which the board wouldn’t allow. If that’s true then chances are that Jones does have a release clause in his Charlton contract, but for the life of me I can’t understand why Jones would ever want to manage Cardiff now, whilst working under its current chairman, Vincent Tan. Tan seems to have no real knowledge of how a football club should be run (even though he’s been a successful businessman outside of football) and has appointed a number of managers who have all failed at getting Cardiff promoted to the Premiership. In recent times, only Neil Harris, our current returnee manager, has got Cardiff into the play offs, and even then he was sacked shortly afterwards for failing to get promotion through them. Jones has stated that he likes to build things at the clubs he’s managed. I think he will get the chance at Charlton to do that. He won’t get the time to do it at Cardiff. If Jones gets Charlton promoted (either this season or maybe next) his stock as a manager will soar. His stock will plummet if he becomes just another Championship manager who can’t get Cardiff promoted, and gets the sack soon afterwards. If I was Jones, I’d know what I would do (even if it meant never getting the chance to manage my boyhood club) and that would be staying at Charlton. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 23, 2024 17:35:30 GMT
I have had alot to do with Cardiff City during my Dad's time there as manager. It was a totally different club back then, and a much better one. 3000 attendances jumpeed to 18000 in just a season and a half and the good times were back and so was European Football, I had a couple of cracking trip sto Standard Liege and Admira Wacker! Most fans of today stiil call that their favourite era and I'm not surprised. A former player, Nathan Blake, says the current owners are a total disaster for the club and they have been for six or seven years, maybe longer. He doesn’t look at the hierarchy at Cardiff and think really they know what they’re doing. He says "They’ve been in charge 10, 11 maybe 12 seasons now and thrown money at it in what has been a massive gamble, the owner Vincent Tan doesn't listen to advice, it seems to be, one singer, one song, one person makes decisions and those decisions aren’t always to the benefit of the club. The supporters Trust and fans in their numbers have beem urging the club to adopt a philosophy that players, fans and staff could support but the decision-making at the top has been pretty woeful" There has been a similarity between them and us over the last 8-10 years with new managers arriving left, right and centre. They come in sign new players and then a dozen games into a new season the novelty wears off as realisation hits that many of the new faces are not good enough and all the hope and enthusiasm drains out of the supporters yet again. So many false dawns. NJ will no doubt be attracted to the club, Cardiff City runs through his veins but he could do well having a chat to Blakey, my Dad's star man back in the day. I know him well and have stayed in touch with him and left-back Damon Searle since that 1992-93 squad broke up. He and Damon were apprentices at Cardiff with NJ and Nathan is highly critical of the current owners. Tan's 14-year reign has been controversial and has been described as a "minefield". As Cardiff start their search for a 12th permanent manager in that time Nathan (Blake) has told the BBC: "You’ve got to get to a point at some point where the owners and the chairman and CEO sit and look at themselves and ask the question ‘are we doing this right, is this the right way to go about things?’. "But it won’t happen, there’s no sort of self-revision of anything or looking at anything they do, it’ll just be the same old, same old. Whoever takes the job is a brave person, that’s all I’d say. "There’ll always be someone because someone always thinks they can turn it around, ‘I can do better, I can manage this situation’. "But until you get in the situation that I think the last 12 or 13 managers have found themselves in, you realise it’s not as straightforward as it should be. "You’ve not got the backing, you’re not making decisions, there’s no sort of philosophy at the club. It runs deep.” If they are interested in NJ, he will talk to them I'm sure but for his own sake, I hope he speaks to his old mate, Blakey first. Have a read of this and compare Cardiff 30 years ago to the shambles they are today.  |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 23, 2024 20:12:44 GMT
Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). After Gary Rowett left, the manager’s job at Millwall was down to Joe Edwards and Nathan Jones as to who would get it. Ultimately the board chose Edwards, and I believe one of the reasons (and maybe the most important one) why Jones wasn’t chosen was because he wanted a release clause in his contract, which the board wouldn’t allow. If that’s true then chances are that Jones does have a release clause in his Charlton contract, but for the life of me I can’t understand why Jones would ever want to manage Cardiff now, whilst working under its current chairman, Vincent Tan. Tan seems to have no real knowledge of how a football club should be run (even though he’s been a successful businessman outside of football) and has appointed a number of managers who have all failed at getting Cardiff promoted to the Premiership. In recent times, only Neil Harris, our current returnee manager, has got Cardiff into the play offs, and even then he was sacked shortly afterwards for failing to get promotion through them. Jones has stated that he likes to build things at the clubs he’s managed. I think he will get the chance at Charlton to do that. He won’t get the time to do it at Cardiff. If Jones gets Charlton promoted (either this season or maybe next) his stock as a manager will soar. His stock will plummet if he becomes just another Championship manager who can’t get Cardiff promoted, and gets the sack soon afterwards. If I was Jones, I’d know what I would do (even if it meant never getting the chance to manage my boyhood club) and that would be staying at Charlton. Makes sense to me and I completely agree with that final sentence. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 23, 2024 21:05:12 GMT
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Post by redplanet on Sept 23, 2024 23:50:34 GMT
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 24, 2024 8:48:21 GMT
The Cardiff fans seem to all think Tan wont buy out a contract for his next manager (and given the long term contract he has with us, would imagine it wouldnt be cheap to buy it out)....some noise around a chap called Freyr Alexandersson:
"Freyr Alexandersson, manager of Kortrijk, is one of the leading candidates to succeed Erol Bulut as head coach of Cardiff City.
The Icelander reportedly flew to Wales last week to talk to the Championship's bottom club."
Mark Hughes (currently out of work) has become a number of bookies' favourites at 3/1, along with Roberry and Schumacher...Jones is at 6/1 with many.
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Post by dickybaby on Sept 24, 2024 9:15:08 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract.
Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability.
I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love
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Post by manikin on Sept 24, 2024 9:25:31 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract. Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability. I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love Have never understood booing your own players, can't think of a more negative move. Of course it would be better for Jones to stay, given time and money he will produce. Just hope we don't see anymore bizarre team selections like Saturday and trying to play more attractive football will help gate receipts. |
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 24, 2024 11:00:54 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract. Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability. I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love Have never understood booing your own players, can't think of a more negative move. Of course it would be better for Jones to stay, given time and money he will produce. Just hope we don't see anymore bizarre team selections like Saturday and trying to play more attractive football will help gate receipts. Coudlnt agree more with you both....I for one hope NJ stays, comes out and dismisses this rumour and commits to the club - and the board commit to backing him financially in January and beyond...we have made a reasonable start, no more stupid selections, bring in more proven talent...especially some creative magic in midfield and hope Leaburn signs a new deal...cant expect the vocal contingent to wind their necks in, but NJ has thick skin - as do we! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 24, 2024 11:57:19 GMT
I think that this time they will approach a manager currently employed elsewhere. The Icelandic bloke managers Kortrijk in Belgium so they'll have to go down that route for him at least.
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Post by se7sm on Sept 24, 2024 13:39:47 GMT
Wouldn’t want NJ to leave and probably won’t, saying that football is a funny old game .if he was to go Wouldn’t bother me ,what’s that saying your only as good as your last game and we all know what that was like 😉
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 24, 2024 13:45:41 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nathan-jones-already-made-feelings-29995050Like I said his passion for the club runs deep. From turnstile operator to fan onto being an apprentice before being let go. Something to prove I reckon. Cardiff fans love their club, the passion runs deep, I've seen it first hand and witnessed something very special. I had a special time there but it was a different era and a better club than it is now that's fir sure. Ninians Park had alot to do with that, it really was an intimidating place. NJ will have special memories too and it's sure to pull on his heart strings.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Sept 24, 2024 15:14:28 GMT
It feels like Wales Online is recycling the same article every day. Will Jones leave? Honestly, I haven’t a clue. Do I want him to go? No, but something has to give. He needs to adapt and overhaul the system to better suit our sluggish midfield if we’re going to see real improvement.
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 24, 2024 15:20:35 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nathan-jones-already-made-feelings-29995050Like I said his passion for the club runs deep. From turnstile operator to fan onto being an apprentice before being let go. Something to prove I reckon. Cardiff fans love their club, the passion runs deep, I've seen it first hand and witnessed something very special. I had a special time there but it was a different era and a better club than it is now that's fir sure. Ninians Park had alot to do with that, it really was an intimidating place. NJ will have special memories too and it's sure to pull on his heart strings. All fair points, but they'll have to pay a fair wedge to buy him out of his Charlton contract - something Tan doesn't seem remotely keen on - the Scandinavian contract clause isn't going to be anywhere near as much so not comparable. Plus, Tan is an egotistical mentalist - whilst the pull will be strong for NJ, he won't get anywhere near the semi-autonomy he has here and has enjoyed before...and that will be a major problem for him. He talks of the foundations he wants to build here, and to sustainably make us a solid Champ team, and then keep pushing on....surely, the desire to do just that will be strongest for him at Cardiff, but he knows he'll be going there with one hand tied behind his back....if he were to be the hometown messiah, anyone with any sense would at least want to try on a vaguely level footing...and let's face it, he'll always be linked with the job every time it comes up....which on average, is at least once a year! And, he already has a point to prove - especially to those higher up the pyramid after the Southampton gig - the brain will surely say rebuild Charlton, wait for Tan to fuck off, and take the job on better terms in the future! |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Sept 24, 2024 17:39:57 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nathan-jones-already-made-feelings-29995050Like I said his passion for the club runs deep. From turnstile operator to fan onto being an apprentice before being let go. Something to prove I reckon. Cardiff fans love their club, the passion runs deep, I've seen it first hand and witnessed something very special. I had a special time there but it was a different era and a better club than it is now that's fir sure. Ninians Park had alot to do with that, it really was an intimidating place. NJ will have special memories too and it's sure to pull on his heart strings. Hopefully the lure isn't too strong,although going "home" might be too much to resist if he's away from his family also. Despite Saturday being complete toilet by all accounts,we've got someone who's built a club back up which we need desperately,we've chosen a direction and need to let it progress,IF NJ does go i dont know where we go?.......apart from back to square one AGAIN!!!  |
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Post by sussex on Sept 26, 2024 15:11:57 GMT
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 26, 2024 15:31:01 GMT
I am personally very pleased to read this and appreciate him coming out to crush the rumour. Yes of course, still lots to improve across the board, but we need stability and (semi) autonomy and going from where we were to challenging at the top won't happen overnight. With Leaburn and Edwards to return, and hopefully some added quality still to come in (January is a nightmare, but I still think we'll do something...and who knows, Dixon...?!!) - we are more than a match for 75% of this awful league now - no more tinkering, a little more to come in and be able to play our strongest 11 and I still think we'll make the Play-Offs.... |
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Post by clarky on Sept 26, 2024 15:41:07 GMT
This looks promising. Whilst NJ has a lot to prove with us and he nay not be the one to get us promoted he deserves and needs a fair crack at it.
If we are in with a shout come January the owners really do need to provide him with the extra funding required as I really think we are only a couple of players short. But they need to be quality signings, players that are capable of getting you up on your feet and whilst they might not be cheap it will be worth it in the longer term.
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Post by chertseyaddick on Sept 27, 2024 11:07:28 GMT
Paul, any inside info on whether the club might get a phone call from Cardiff?
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Post by paulgdownunder on Sept 27, 2024 11:31:23 GMT
This looks promising. Whilst NJ has a lot to prove with us and he nay not be the one to get us promoted he deserves and needs a fair crack at it. If we are in with a shout come January the owners really do need to provide him with the extra funding required as I really think we are only a couple of players short. But they need to be quality signings, players that are capable of getting you up on your feet and whilst they might not be cheap it will be worth it in the longer term. I tend to agree with most of this post I have run down the list of prospective managers that are in the running for the cardiff job And i see NJ is up there at odds 4--1 Those managers are in my opinion very experienced, and in most cases moderately successful I note amongst the 2-3 dozen listed, there is our ex managers Appleton and Holden My point in mentioning the list, is to point to the fact, IMO, that some managers must work under very negative conditions due mostly to wannabee ownwers not puting their money, where their mouth is True perhaps some managers have had a budget ,but blown it on poor purchases of players But most ,i would think have had to build a team, on a shoe string budget Or a budget that ,'said manager.' is insufficient ,Charlton IMO,is a classic case of this, and this has been the same ,since the end of WW2 In the whole time i have followed them all we do when we find ,or produce a decent player is to sell them on, to more ambitious clubs Owners just cant see it, that a successful team ,with a couple of 'fan favourites' puts bums on seats.Aparently this seems to be the case with Cardiff, and their 11 year owner And may deter Jones from leaving Especially if the skin flint has to pay out his contract The current ownwers IMO are typical No idea,And as i have said before, being American. only use Charlton to fiddle their taxation return, and probably pay none at all, subsequently ,Christ knows where the US finds the money for Ukraine and the Middle East? If our owners were 'fair dinkum,' being apparently millionaires ,a couple of mil would mean nothing. But we just dont see,We should have kept May The only gripe i have with NJ is his treatment of Alfie May. I hope things turn up for the better, so we can get over it, If it doesn't, AM would have been his nemesis IMO, I hope NJ is still with us, come January ,and can convince our 'skin flint' ownwers to part with some cash. I dont watch Charlton play .Only on brief occasions, but in all my years of watching football ,the most entertaining, attacking format, is by wingers "skinning' a defender and crossing from the edge of the box, or the 'bye line', or cutting inside for a shot at goal.Jones needs 2 wingers and an attacking MF with the skill and confidence to bring the ball forward IMO .So NJ ,it aint too late to change tack, from just 'hoofing it' to a lone striker. It must be soul destroying ,for the likes of Ahadme , |
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Post by clarky on Sept 27, 2024 12:36:17 GMT
This looks promising. Whilst NJ has a lot to prove with us and he nay not be the one to get us promoted he deserves and needs a fair crack at it. If we are in with a shout come January the owners really do need to provide him with the extra funding required as I really think we are only a couple of players short. But they need to be quality signings, players that are capable of getting you up on your feet and whilst they might not be cheap it will be worth it in the longer term. I tend to agree with most of this post I have run down the list of prospective managers that are in the running for the cardiff job And i see NJ is up there at odds 4--1 Those managers are in my opinion very experienced, and in most cases moderately successful I note amongst the 2-3 dozen listed, there is our ex managers Appleton and Holden My point in mentioning the list, is to point to the fact, IMO, that some managers must work under very negative conditions due mostly to wannabee ownwers not putting their money, where their mouth is True perhaps some managers have had a budget ,but blown it on poor purchases of players But most ,i would think have had to build a team, on a shoe string budget Or a budget that ,'said manager.' is insufficient ,Charlton IMO,is a classic case of this, and this has been the same ,since the end of WW2 In the whole time i have followed them all we do when we find ,or produce a decent player is to sell them on, to more ambitious clubs Owners just cant see it, that a successful team ,with a couple of 'fan favourites' puts bums on seats.Aparently this seems to be the case with Cardiff, and their 11 year owner And may deter Jones from leaving Especially if the skin flint has to pay out his contract The current ownwers IMO are typical No idea,And as i have said before, being American. only use Charlton to fiddle their taxation return, and probably pay none at all, subsequently ,Christ knows where the US finds the money for Ukraine and the Middle East? If our owners were 'fair dinkum,' being apparently millionaires ,a couple of mil would mean nothing. But we just dont see,We should have kept May The only gripe i have with NJ is his treatment of Alfie May. I hope things turn up for the better, so we can get over it, If it doesn't, AM would have been his nemesis IMO, I hope NJ is still with us, come January ,and can convince our 'skin flint' ownwers to part with some cash. I dont watch Charlton play .Only on brief occasions, but in all my years of watching football ,the most entertaining, attacking format, is by wingers "skinning' a defender and crossing from the edge of the box, or the 'bye line', or cutting inside for a shot at goal.Jones needs 2 wingers and an attacking MF with the skill and confidence to bring the ball forward IMO .So NJ ,it aint too late to change tack, from just 'hoofing it' to a lone striker. It must be soul destroying ,for the likes of Ahadme , In your penultimate para I assume you meant billionaires and not millionaires. Anyway whether or not they have bought the club to fiddle their tax returns you would still think they would want the best from their investment. Don't forget aside from the three main moneymen there are 4 other investors, what are they getting from it? It just doesn't make sense when already spending multiple millions just by spending £1-2m more (between 7 of them that isn't much) they may get bigger crowds, a possible promotion thereby reducing operational costs and perhaps increasing the value of the club. |
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Post by zenga on Sept 27, 2024 14:02:35 GMT
I think that this time they will approach a manager currently employed elsewhere. The Icelandic bloke managers Kortrijk in Belgium so they'll have to go down that route for him at least. Both club and iceland guy denied it. Reason he was linked is because Cardiff owner owns Kortrijk. Last year Vincent Tan was desperately to sell the club, but in july he injected €10m, with little result. Kortrijk was once the prime example of a small club that was well ran with lots of local players, often upsetting the bigger teams. Ever since Tan took over it became a complete shitshow, and it's not due to lack of funds. Would surprise me if it's any different in Cardiff. |
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Post by paulgdownunder on Sept 28, 2024 9:26:08 GMT
I tend to agree with most of this post I have run down the list of prospective managers that are in the running for the cardiff job And i see NJ is up there at odds 4--1 Those managers are in my opinion very experienced, and in most cases moderately successful I note amongst the 2-3 dozen listed, there is our ex managers Appleton and Holden My point in mentioning the list, is to point to the fact, IMO, that some managers must work under very negative conditions due mostly to wannabee ownwers not putting their money, where their mouth is True perhaps some managers have had a budget ,but blown it on poor purchases of players But most ,i would think have had to build a team, on a shoe string budget Or a budget that ,'said manager.' is insufficient ,Charlton IMO,is a classic case of this, and this has been the same ,since the end of WW2 In the whole time i have followed them all we do when we find ,or produce a decent player is to sell them on, to more ambitious clubs Owners just cant see it, that a successful team ,with a couple of 'fan favourites' puts bums on seats.Aparently this seems to be the case with Cardiff, and their 11 year owner And may deter Jones from leaving Especially if the skin flint has to pay out his contract The current ownwers IMO are typical No idea,And as i have said before, being American. only use Charlton to fiddle their taxation return, and probably pay none at all, subsequently ,Christ knows where the US finds the money for Ukraine and the Middle East? If our owners were 'fair dinkum,' being apparently millionaires ,a couple of mil would mean nothing. But we just dont see,We should have kept May The only gripe i have with NJ is his treatment of Alfie May. I hope things turn up for the better, so we can get over it, If it doesn't, AM would have been his nemesis IMO, I hope NJ is still with us, come January ,and can convince our 'skin flint' ownwers to part with some cash. I dont watch Charlton play .Only on brief occasions, but in all my years of watching football ,the most entertaining, attacking format, is by wingers "skinning' a defender and crossing from the edge of the box, or the 'bye line', or cutting inside for a shot at goal.Jones needs 2 wingers and an attacking MF with the skill and confidence to bring the ball forward IMO .So NJ ,it aint too late to change tack, from just 'hoofing it' to a lone striker. It must be soul destroying ,for the likes of Ahadme , In your penultimate para I assume you meant billionaires and not millionaires. Anyway whether or not they have bought the club to fiddle their tax returns you would still think they would want the best from their investment. Don't forget aside from the three main moneymen there are 4 other investors, what are they getting from it? It just doesn't make sense when already spending multiple millions just by spending £1-2m more (between 7 of them that isn't much) they may get bigger crowds, a possible promotion thereby reducing operational costs and perhaps increasing the value of the club. Yup .I did mean billionaires.Age is catching up, with me Thanks for joining the dots on our ownership situation I was aware that there were 'sub owners ' but the details were'nt clear to me Regarding , increasing the value of the club It is deeply worrying that RD still has the ownership of the Valley and training ground Unless he has awarded himself a very smart contract he must be paying a motsa in rates, land taxes ,and all that is pertaining to property ownership, so why does he hold on to them? Does he honestly believe that there is developement potential there ?I hope that at some point ,we can re aquire our freehold property When i said the Yanks were only in it for tax purposes. I meant this to be just a part of the package .Of course they would want ,all round success But with their very modest input, I think they want their cake and eat it, too --- COYA |
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Post by paulgdownunder on Sept 29, 2024 1:42:24 GMT
We are assuming that by just applying for the Cardiff job, it is done an dusted.simply because it tugs at his heartsrtings, being his boy hood club, and that if the opportunity to apply he would do so ,hoping to be accepted.We all make rash and thoughtful statements when we are young. But as we get a little older and mature, we think 'be careful for what you wish for' I think NJ will view the Cardiff job in amore cautious different light, to then.
What makes us think that they would want him any way? Other than that boy hood passion, they may think about his last few games and how the lack of éye candy'football has been, at Charlton.And they may question the wisdom of selling the Leagues top scorer in Alfie May And how he just doesnt get the need ,of creativity, to supply a striker, like after Blacket Taylor left. Good wingers and attacking MFs,dont come cheap ,but we have billionaire owners FFS
Perhaps he might elect to leave ,if our skin flint owners dont come to the party, in January, and there for we are stuck 'mid table'yet again .After all its not rocket science to even the most average manager, where the problem ,currently lies. For better or for worse Jones aint going any where, soon IMO
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