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Post by addickteduk on Sept 23, 2024 12:51:30 GMT
Cardiff have had 7 managers in less than 5 years... they may be in the (bottom of the) Championship but their owner seems to view things similarly to those at Watford - whilst we've hardly spent big, he has brought in his players, and there has been significant improvement in all areas of the club...now that obviously isn't directly related to 3 points on a Saturday but it still matters, and the potential and the improvement to date - even if really only in the table, and more autonomy than many clubs would be able to offer does play a part.
The squad is still way off top 2, the investment has been miniscule in comparison to others (not just Wrexham and Brum) and we lost Alfie, Dobbo etc but it's still early days - I'm sure it would be a tough decision for NJ given his history and roots etc, but I for one really hope he stays and continues the rebuild....hopefully with more money to spend!
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 23, 2024 13:11:28 GMT
Now, I’ve only watched on game “live”, Saturday plus a few via Sky. So in a way I find it difficult to be critical of events and personnel given my lack of viewing experience of the team plus my enforced absence due to ill health (sorry to bore by repeating myself, just doing so for context). Anyway - in so far as this thread is concerned, when Jones was appointed I must say I was pleased. I hoped, and expected, that a young coach with experience elsewhere at a higher level, and with a promotion on his CV, would be an upgrade on what we’d had before. I also thought, and this is where my lack of knowledge regarding football matters lets me down, I thought we would play a more modern style of football, on the deck, and that in the main the long ball hoof it up to the lone striker would be abandoned and only used occasionally. In essence, I had hoped for football that is pleasing on the eye - entertaining, but none the less structured to get results and ultimately promotion. I didn’t enjoy Saturday at all. And even if we’d snatched a draw I would have felt the same. If what was on display against Blackpool was an example of the way Jones wants his teams to play fair enough. But for this fan of many years “Jones ball” simply doesn’t get the juices flowing, and if he’s lured to Cardiff, personally I wouldn’t be too bothered. However, such a move would yet again leave the club searching for another coach mid season etc, etc. Just to top things off - Jones is a very experience coach and there’s no reason to think he can’t get a tune out of the squad and after all we’re only seven games into the season. Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). Apologies for rambling, just my scrambled thoughts👍🏻 I had the same hopes as your bold paragraph above. I knew Nathan played a certain style in terms of high pressure, high intensity, very physical, etc but I didn't realise the actual football would be so basic. I'm still hoping this isn't his plan at all and we just haven't got the mix of personnell right yet, but the more we play like it the more I'm doubting this hope. I agree it's not fun to watch at all. I was concerned when he joined that I wouldn't like his style of football and I'm getting more concerned by the game. Appleton played more attractive football, but couldn't defend. That's a big red flag for me as he was pretty useless.
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Post by geronimo on Sept 23, 2024 13:19:27 GMT
Now, I’ve only watched on game “live”, Saturday plus a few via Sky. So in a way I find it difficult to be critical of events and personnel given my lack of viewing experience of the team plus my enforced absence due to ill health (sorry to bore by repeating myself, just doing so for context). Anyway - in so far as this thread is concerned, when Jones was appointed I must say I was pleased. I hoped, and expected, that a young coach with experience elsewhere at a higher level, and with a promotion on his CV, would be an upgrade on what we’d had before. I also thought, and this is where my lack of knowledge regarding football matters lets me down, I thought we would play a more modern style of football, on the deck, and that in the main the long ball hoof it up to the lone striker would be abandoned and only used occasionally. In essence, I had hoped for football that is pleasing on the eye - entertaining, but none the less structured to get results and ultimately promotion. I didn’t enjoy Saturday at all. And even if we’d snatched a draw I would have felt the same. If what was on display against Blackpool was an example of the way Jones wants his teams to play fair enough. But for this fan of many years “Jones ball” simply doesn’t get the juices flowing, and if he’s lured to Cardiff, personally I wouldn’t be too bothered. However, such a move would yet again leave the club searching for another coach mid season etc, etc. Just to top things off - Jones is a very experience coach and there’s no reason to think he can’t get a tune out of the squad and after all we’re only seven games into the season. Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). Apologies for rambling, just my scrambled thoughts👍🏻 I had the same hopes as your bold paragraph above. I knew Nathan played a certain style in terms of high pressure, high intensity, very physical, etc but I didn't realise the actual football would be so basic. I'm still hoping this isn't his plan at all and we just haven't got the mix of personnell right yet, but the more we play like it the more I'm doubting this hope. I agree it's not fun to watch at all. I was concerned when he joined that I wouldn't like his style of football and I'm getting more concerned by the game. Appleton played more attractive football, but couldn't defend. That's a big red flag for me as he was pretty useless. For Appleton he lost his attacking threat of Aneke and then Leaburn. Then C B-T downed tools literally. Jones hasn't the luxury of both either. Our problem is as ever , midfield, except Coventry and Jones not using Taylor of Tayo Edun at Amy time, just 'the orange men '.
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Post by madz on Sept 23, 2024 13:22:17 GMT
His decision to change the defence at the weekend was a bizarre one, but overall I would be disappointed if he left. I would also be surprised if he did, because jumping to another team straight away would not look very good to any future employer, knowing they will leave as soon as a slightly better position arrives. Would show no loyalty factor.
I like his passion and I also like that he's added bite to our team. But he needs to be more offensive and get them scoring more goals. I like our defence, especially with A Mitchell in there. Really no idea what tactic he was aiming for by dropping him completely, especially for REG. I don't dislike REG but Mitchell is a far superior defender.
If he does jump ship it would just prove the type of person he is if he did. I don't think he will though so not going to get on his case, so I imagine this is just all paper talk. Like I say, I hope he stays and think he will.
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Post by millwallfan on Sept 23, 2024 14:17:00 GMT
Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). After Gary Rowett left, the manager’s job at Millwall was down to Joe Edwards and Nathan Jones as to who would get it. Ultimately the board chose Edwards, and I believe one of the reasons (and maybe the most important one) why Jones wasn’t chosen was because he wanted a release clause in his contract, which the board wouldn’t allow. If that’s true then chances are that Jones does have a release clause in his Charlton contract, but for the life of me I can’t understand why Jones would ever want to manage Cardiff now, whilst working under its current chairman, Vincent Tan. Tan seems to have no real knowledge of how a football club should be run (even though he’s been a successful businessman outside of football) and has appointed a number of managers who have all failed at getting Cardiff promoted to the Premiership. In recent times, only Neil Harris, our current returnee manager, has got Cardiff into the play offs, and even then he was sacked shortly afterwards for failing to get promotion through them. Jones has stated that he likes to build things at the clubs he’s managed. I think he will get the chance at Charlton to do that. He won’t get the time to do it at Cardiff. If Jones gets Charlton promoted (either this season or maybe next) his stock as a manager will soar. His stock will plummet if he becomes just another Championship manager who can’t get Cardiff promoted, and gets the sack soon afterwards. If I was Jones, I’d know what I would do (even if it meant never getting the chance to manage my boyhood club) and that would be staying at Charlton.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 23, 2024 17:35:30 GMT
I have had alot to do with Cardiff City during my Dad's time there as manager. It was a totally different club back then, and a much better one. 3000 attendances jumpeed to 18000 in just a season and a half and the good times were back and so was European Football, I had a couple of cracking trip sto Standard Liege and Admira Wacker! Most fans of today stiil call that their favourite era and I'm not surprised. A former player, Nathan Blake, says the current owners are a total disaster for the club and they have been for six or seven years, maybe longer. He doesn’t look at the hierarchy at Cardiff and think really they know what they’re doing. He says "They’ve been in charge 10, 11 maybe 12 seasons now and thrown money at it in what has been a massive gamble, the owner Vincent Tan doesn't listen to advice, it seems to be, one singer, one song, one person makes decisions and those decisions aren’t always to the benefit of the club. The supporters Trust and fans in their numbers have beem urging the club to adopt a philosophy that players, fans and staff could support but the decision-making at the top has been pretty woeful" There has been a similarity between them and us over the last 8-10 years with new managers arriving left, right and centre. They come in sign new players and then a dozen games into a new season the novelty wears off as realisation hits that many of the new faces are not good enough and all the hope and enthusiasm drains out of the supporters yet again. So many false dawns. NJ will no doubt be attracted to the club, Cardiff City runs through his veins but he could do well having a chat to Blakey, my Dad's star man back in the day. I know him well and have stayed in touch with him and left-back Damon Searle since that 1992-93 squad broke up. He and Damon were apprentices at Cardiff with NJ and Nathan is highly critical of the current owners. Tan's 14-year reign has been controversial and has been described as a "minefield". As Cardiff start their search for a 12th permanent manager in that time Nathan (Blake) has told the BBC: "You’ve got to get to a point at some point where the owners and the chairman and CEO sit and look at themselves and ask the question ‘are we doing this right, is this the right way to go about things?’. "But it won’t happen, there’s no sort of self-revision of anything or looking at anything they do, it’ll just be the same old, same old. Whoever takes the job is a brave person, that’s all I’d say. "There’ll always be someone because someone always thinks they can turn it around, ‘I can do better, I can manage this situation’. "But until you get in the situation that I think the last 12 or 13 managers have found themselves in, you realise it’s not as straightforward as it should be. "You’ve not got the backing, you’re not making decisions, there’s no sort of philosophy at the club. It runs deep.” If they are interested in NJ, he will talk to them I'm sure but for his own sake, I hope he speaks to his old mate, Blakey first. Have a read of this and compare Cardiff 30 years ago to the shambles they are today.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 23, 2024 20:12:44 GMT
Maybe it just depends on whether Cardiff come calling and whether the lure of managing his home town club overrides everything else (and if he’s got a release clause in his contract). After Gary Rowett left, the manager’s job at Millwall was down to Joe Edwards and Nathan Jones as to who would get it. Ultimately the board chose Edwards, and I believe one of the reasons (and maybe the most important one) why Jones wasn’t chosen was because he wanted a release clause in his contract, which the board wouldn’t allow. If that’s true then chances are that Jones does have a release clause in his Charlton contract, but for the life of me I can’t understand why Jones would ever want to manage Cardiff now, whilst working under its current chairman, Vincent Tan. Tan seems to have no real knowledge of how a football club should be run (even though he’s been a successful businessman outside of football) and has appointed a number of managers who have all failed at getting Cardiff promoted to the Premiership. In recent times, only Neil Harris, our current returnee manager, has got Cardiff into the play offs, and even then he was sacked shortly afterwards for failing to get promotion through them. Jones has stated that he likes to build things at the clubs he’s managed. I think he will get the chance at Charlton to do that. He won’t get the time to do it at Cardiff. If Jones gets Charlton promoted (either this season or maybe next) his stock as a manager will soar. His stock will plummet if he becomes just another Championship manager who can’t get Cardiff promoted, and gets the sack soon afterwards. If I was Jones, I’d know what I would do (even if it meant never getting the chance to manage my boyhood club) and that would be staying at Charlton. Makes sense to me and I completely agree with that final sentence.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 23, 2024 21:05:12 GMT
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Post by redplanet on Sept 23, 2024 23:50:34 GMT
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 24, 2024 8:48:21 GMT
The Cardiff fans seem to all think Tan wont buy out a contract for his next manager (and given the long term contract he has with us, would imagine it wouldnt be cheap to buy it out)....some noise around a chap called Freyr Alexandersson:
"Freyr Alexandersson, manager of Kortrijk, is one of the leading candidates to succeed Erol Bulut as head coach of Cardiff City.
The Icelander reportedly flew to Wales last week to talk to the Championship's bottom club."
Mark Hughes (currently out of work) has become a number of bookies' favourites at 3/1, along with Roberry and Schumacher...Jones is at 6/1 with many.
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Post by dickybaby on Sept 24, 2024 9:15:08 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract.
Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability.
I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love
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Post by manikin on Sept 24, 2024 9:25:31 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract. Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability. I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love Have never understood booing your own players, can't think of a more negative move. Of course it would be better for Jones to stay, given time and money he will produce. Just hope we don't see anymore bizarre team selections like Saturday and trying to play more attractive football will help gate receipts.
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Post by addickteduk on Sept 24, 2024 11:00:54 GMT
Yeah spoke to a Cardiff fan yesterday and he said no chance the owner would spend money on buying out a contract. Whether we like the football or not, whether we think every signing is great or we've spent a lot of money i think we can all agree this club needs a period of stability. I'd like this to also include supporting all our players and not booing them or overly criticising them on social media but thats a long shot for some of our more vocal fans unfortunately. If only they could understand this actually harms the club which they claim to love Have never understood booing your own players, can't think of a more negative move. Of course it would be better for Jones to stay, given time and money he will produce. Just hope we don't see anymore bizarre team selections like Saturday and trying to play more attractive football will help gate receipts. Coudlnt agree more with you both....I for one hope NJ stays, comes out and dismisses this rumour and commits to the club - and the board commit to backing him financially in January and beyond...we have made a reasonable start, no more stupid selections, bring in more proven talent...especially some creative magic in midfield and hope Leaburn signs a new deal...cant expect the vocal contingent to wind their necks in, but NJ has thick skin - as do we!
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