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Post by clarky on Sept 15, 2024 16:20:57 GMT
Best start too a season in seven years after the worse season last time in 98 years and people linking Jones too Cardiff can not make it up. Best start? Why don't you look at the biggest picture. Taken from another club’s Twitter. Where CAFC are in the respective League One tables after 5 games - Shots on target per game = 23rd Xg  = 21st Possession = 19th Goals = 14th Clean Sheets = 1st Interesting stats, which back up what we have been saying on here, namely that we are terrible in possession, carry minimal goal threat, yet our defence and keeper have got us joint top of the league. Absolutely, and at some point we are likely to start losing games 1-0 rather than winning them 1-0. |
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Post by roburwash on Sept 15, 2024 16:21:07 GMT
It’s always jam tomorrow though isn’t it? We have been hearing that the next window is the one that will make us compete for years and years. If Jones leaves for Cardiff the next window will be the one where we will be looking to move out all his signings and bring in stop gaps until we can build the new manager’s squad in the summer. Then by September we will be hearing that January is the time to push on. Then when January comes ‘round we’ll be told that it’s very difficult to do business in January so we’ll be planning for the next summer. There is never any jam! We're on a journey and yes, we're competing. Early days but both bookies and models have us down for the play-offs. That's very different to existing in mid-table and asking why we're so bad. Of course there's no jam! But we do have the choice to embrace the club as well as discuss how we might improve further. And ask whether the owners interests mean that they should inject more cash / change anything. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_SisyphusAbove all else, keep pushing the boulder up the mountain! Well, we've certainly seen it rolling back down each time it looks as it might get somewhere over the last seventeen years. You could add the myth of Tantalus too - the way people begin each season believing that the grapes are within our grasp, only to have them snatched away. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 16:25:42 GMT
Let's get laurence bassini in instead and see where we are.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 16:48:55 GMT
Let's get laurence bassini in instead and see where we are. WTF are you on about? You really to come out with some rubbish some most of the time. Why can't you stick to the facts? |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 16:51:01 GMT
Let's get laurence bassini in instead and see where we are. WTF are you on about you clown. We got the best investors in many years a good manager great start what more you want?. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Sept 15, 2024 16:55:34 GMT
WTF are you on about you clown. We got the best investors in many years a good manager great start what more you want?. I don’t think he wants Jones to go mate, just saying it might happen. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 16:57:54 GMT
We got the best investors in many years a good manager great start what more you want?. I don’t think he wants Jones to go mate, just saying it might happen. It won't happen. |
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Post by dickybaby on Sept 15, 2024 17:04:55 GMT
On the one hand he’s got previous for walking when a better opportunity comes up.
But on the other he’s brought players on decent contracts because of his relationship with them. Can’t see it myself
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:07:31 GMT
The investors haven't invested enough hence why we have to bring in free transfers.
The investors haven't invested enough which is why we have sad to sell May to raise funds.
NJ is a very good manager I agree but he hasn't been given enough money to buy better attacking players.
The start is just that, a start, five games in which apart from the Bolton game, we haven't looked anything special.
Six goals from six different scorers is all well and good but I don't think I'm in the minority when I say we are in trouble if we go a goal behind because at the moment we don't have enough goals in us to come from behind.
Watch Brum v Wrexham tomorrow and you will see how far behind we are. Brum have spend millions while Wrexham haven't but you won't there will be nothing between them on the night.
Lloyd Jones apart, not one of our players would get in either side.
Come back and see me at the end of October. I guarantee you that we won't be in the top eight.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:10:13 GMT
I don’t think he wants Jones to go mate, just saying it might happen. It won't happen. Most probably not but I know the chief football reporter who works at the South Wales Echo and I have plenty of contacts at the club so if they do come in for NJ I'll know believe me. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:17:27 GMT
On the one hand he’s got previous for walking when a better opportunity comes up. But on the other he’s brought players on decent contracts because of his relationship with them. Can’t see it myself They are his boyhood club mate, grew up supporting them and it was his dream to play for them which he didn't do at senior level. He's said himself that they are the club that tug on his heart strings. I'm sure he wouldn't leave if any other club came in but if Bulot did go and they did come in for him, I guarantee you that he'd at least want to talk to them. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:19:29 GMT
The investors haven't invested enough hence why we have to bring in free transfers. The investors haven't invested enough which is why we have sad to sell May to raise funds. NJ is a very good manager I agree but he hasn't been given enough money to buy better attacking players. The start is just that, a start, five games in which apart from the Bolton game, we haven't looked anything special. Six goals from six different scorers is all well and good but I don't think I'm in the minority when I say we are in trouble if we go a goal behind because at the moment we don't have enough goals in us to come from behind. Watch Brum v Wrexham tomorrow and you will see how far behind we are. Brum have spend millions while Wrexham haven't but you won't there will be nothing between them on the night. Lloyd Jones apart, not one of our players would get in either side. Come back and see me at the end of October. I guarantee you that we won't be in the top eight. So you want Charlton too spend like Birmingham £30m plus say we never went up the debt.As you and others say Wrexham getting in £20m revenue we doing the best we can on a £13m revenue which includes players like May sold.Where you think the other £6m comes from ? Certainly not like Esi. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:21:25 GMT
Nothing between Birmingham and Wrexham say Birmingham win 3-0.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:27:03 GMT
We made ten signings
Gassan was £1m
Godden £200k
Edwards £195k.
Mitchell £200k
Dixon £100k
Not too mention the signing on fees and loan of A Campbell.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:30:59 GMT
Birmingham
Charlton
Wrexham
We was the 2nd highest spenders in league one last season won't finish 16th at the moment 2nd in the league.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:35:58 GMT
The investors haven't invested enough hence why we have to bring in free transfers. The investors haven't invested enough which is why we have sad to sell May to raise funds. NJ is a very good manager I agree but he hasn't been given enough money to buy better attacking players. The start is just that, a start, five games in which apart from the Bolton game, we haven't looked anything special. Six goals from six different scorers is all well and good but I don't think I'm in the minority when I say we are in trouble if we go a goal behind because at the moment we don't have enough goals in us to come from behind. Watch Brum v Wrexham tomorrow and you will see how far behind we are. Brum have spend millions while Wrexham haven't but you won't there will be nothing between them on the night. Lloyd Jones apart, not one of our players would get in either side. Come back and see me at the end of October. I guarantee you that we won't be in the top eight. So you want Charlton too spend like Birmingham £30m plus say we never went up the debt.As you and others say Wrexham getting in £20m revenue we doing the best we can on a £13m revenue which includes players like May sold.Where you think the other £6m comes from ? Certainly not like Esi. Grow up mate. Not sure how old you are but you keep spelling to (too) which I have corrected for you on more than one ovccasion in the last 15 minutes so I'm guessing pretty young which explains why you can't digest what I'm saying. Haven't said anywhere I expect us to spend like Birmingham, you seem very confused to me, the Wrexham revenue is ridiculous, they have never spent more than 300k on a player, we have and I know who got the better deals. Your figures are absolutely way off, put the calculator down and base your numbers on facts. The big difference between us and Wrexham is they have had a winning mentality for three seasons on the trot. It brings in the crowds and generates revenue. Their fans rarely see them lose a game of football. They have thousands upon thousands of fans signed up as members worldwide, 15,000 of them who are locals scramble for the 4500 tickets that go on sale for every home game. The owners haven't bankrolled them as much as people think, success generates money and lots of it, millions in their case given the sponsors they have attracted. Their outlay on players has been pretty low compared to other teams in L1 but 85% of the players they have signed have worked. This is where we have gone wrong. Not enough has been given to NJ in terms of a playing budget. If he had been given enough to bring in good footballers who can play a bit our fans would come back too and you go from there but all I'm seeing is a reluctance from our board to do that. Wrexham would never sell Mullin to fund three free transfers that's for sure. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:39:05 GMT
Very much doubt Wrexham will be championship next June.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:39:35 GMT
😆😆😆
You live in cloud cuckoo land.
Ahadme's fee includes add-on's that make up a third of the fee.
The other figures you mention are made up in your head.
Wrexham won't lose to anyone 3-0 all season.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:41:57 GMT
😆😆😆 You live in cloud cuckoo land. Ahadme's fee includes add-on's that make up a third of the fee. The other figures you mention are made up in your head. Wrexham won't lose to anyone 3-0 all season. May wanted to go we see if wrexham lose 3-0 to anyone.Mitchell ,Godden, Edwards was fees. |
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Post by ediaddick on Sept 15, 2024 17:43:40 GMT
If we really had owners up for it and with money, Caleb Taylor would be playing for us and not Wycombe.
Jones not liking loans hasn't helped.
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Post by clarky on Sept 15, 2024 17:46:17 GMT
We made ten signings Gassan was £1m Godden £200k Edwards £195k. Mitchell £200k Dixon £100k Not too mention the signing on fees and loan of A Campbell. Adhadme will only be a million with add ons, up front fee was closer to £600k. Edwards was less than £100K. So our incomings were about the same as what we got for May and CBT. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:46:56 GMT
If we really had owners up for it and with money, Caleb Taylor would be playing for us and not Wycombe. Jones not liking loans hasn't helped. Many players move for location maybe London don't suit him.The only mistake was Dobson to Hungary via Wrexham but we move on with Coventry was also £1m. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:49:31 GMT
We made ten signings Gassan was £1m Godden £200k Edwards £195k. Mitchell £200k Dixon £100k Not too mention the signing on fees and loan of A Campbell. Adhadme will only be a million with add ons, up front fee was closer to £600k. Edwards was less than £100K. So our incomings were about the same as what we got for May and CBT. Godden and Mitchell fees?. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:51:55 GMT
This are the actual fees spent on players.
Mitchell 225k, Gillesphey 100k, Edwards 100k, Ahadme 760k, Godden 300k, Dixon 150k, Ramsay 160k. So £1.75 million out since January and 760k in from Alfie = net transfer spend of £1 million.
Wrexham have spent just over that but have options all over the pitch and have goals coming from absolutely everywhere. They have at least three who will get into double figures this season....we don't.
My point is for an outlay of 1m, don't you think that it could/should have been invested in more attacking players, I know I do.
If you have spent 1m at this level but haven't quite got the balance of the squad right then to do so you have to spend more but we don't have the funds. Parkinson would never go out and buy players who weren't better than he already had. We have. May is better than Godden and Dobson was better going forward than Berry and Docherty.
Sitting 2nd in the table is a totally false position in my opinion because we all know we aren't the second best team in the league.
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:52:39 GMT
If we really had owners up for it and with money, Caleb Taylor would be playing for us and not Wycombe. Jones not liking loans hasn't helped. Spot on, it's madness and very naive. |
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Post by grapevine49 on Sept 15, 2024 17:53:30 GMT
Professional common sense says Jones would not move at this point.
I fully accept the Cardiff attraction for him and whilst few managerial positions arise in good, let alone ideal, circumstances Jones, as seen with Stoke and Southampton, is a project guy. The Jones CV to this point indicates he works best playing to his template, his methodology and his club culture. It is not a culture everyone is comfortable in adopting. I am not sure how Dalman will feel about the measure of influence Jones would likely seek.
Cardiff awarded the current guy a 2yr contract in June where Dalman has just worked with him on his agenda for 2024/ 2025. I doubt Cardiff yet see themselves as needing to embrace an entirely new project just 4 months into the current one.
Quite simply unless those already in the building at Cardiff can and are willing to sign into the Jones way of doing things it could be a long hard season. If Cardiff is indeed up for a full restructure then a) nothing of note can realistically be done before January b) it is then a question of whether Tan has the appetite to fund it within an already very expensive division.
Jones, in reality, does have an industry reputation to rebuild. Jumping ship to seize “another opportunity” and possibly deliver a 3rd mis-step would not read well. As of now, he has his project. He has built much of the League 1 squad/ framework he wanted. He has worked across the executive and the investors. He has influence. After the down side of Stoke & Soton I am not sure the timing of this Cardiff opportunity if it arises feels right.
I would argue he needs to let his current project play out before jumping ship again particularly as any interest from external parties can but strengthen his current hand internally.
All of that said common sense in this industry, notably where emotions are in play, can often be in very short supply. IF the numbers are right for everybody then who knows?
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Post by valleydobson1 on Sept 15, 2024 17:55:57 GMT
This are the actual fees spent on players. Mitchell 225k, Gillesphey 100k, Edwards 100k, Ahadme 760k, Godden 300k, Dixon 150k, Ramsay 160k. So £1.75 million out since January and 760k in from Alfie = net transfer spend of £1 million. Wrexham have spent just over that but have options all over the pitch and have goals coming from absolutely everywhere. They have at least three who will get into double figures this season....we don't. My point is for an outlay of 1m, don't you think that it could/should have been invested in more attacking players, I know I do. If you have spent 1m at this level but haven't quite got the balance of the squad right then to do so you have to spend more. Sitting 2nd in the table is a totally false position in my opinion because we all know we aren't the second best team in the league. Coventry fee?. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:57:07 GMT
😆😆😆 You live in cloud cuckoo land. Ahadme's fee includes add-on's that make up a third of the fee. The other figures you mention are made up in your head. Wrexham won't lose to anyone 3-0 all season. May wanted to go we see if wrexham lose 3-0 to anyone.Mitchell ,Godden, Edwards was fees. You have never watched Wrexham play in your life so what qualifies you to make that judgement? Not alot. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 15, 2024 17:58:27 GMT
This are the actual fees spent on players. Mitchell 225k, Gillesphey 100k, Edwards 100k, Ahadme 760k, Godden 300k, Dixon 150k, Ramsay 160k. So £1.75 million out since January and 760k in from Alfie = net transfer spend of £1 million. Wrexham have spent just over that but have options all over the pitch and have goals coming from absolutely everywhere. They have at least three who will get into double figures this season....we don't. My point is for an outlay of 1m, don't you think that it could/should have been invested in more attacking players, I know I do. If you have spent 1m at this level but haven't quite got the balance of the squad right then to do so you have to spend more. Sitting 2nd in the table is a totally false position in my opinion because we all know we aren't the second best team in the league. Coventry fee?. No fee. This proves you do not have a clue what you are talking about. We didn't have to pay West Ham a transfer fee in order to acquire Coventry. The only fee-related part of the deal that was included was a sell-on percentage. |
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Post by clarky on Sept 15, 2024 18:14:18 GMT
This are the actual fees spent on players. Mitchell 225k, Gillesphey 100k, Edwards 100k, Ahadme 760k, Godden 300k, Dixon 150k, Ramsay 160k. So £1.75 million out since January and 760k in from Alfie = net transfer spend of £1 million. Wrexham have spent just over that but have options all over the pitch and have goals coming from absolutely everywhere. They have at least three who will get into double figures this season....we don't. My point is for an outlay of 1m, don't you think that it could/should have been invested in more attacking players, I know I do. If you have spent 1m at this level but haven't quite got the balance of the squad right then to do so you have to spend more but we don't have the funds. Parkinson would never go out and buy players who weren't better than he already had. We have. May is better than Godden and Dobson was better going forward than Berry and Docherty. Sitting 2nd in the table is a totally false position in my opinion because we all know we aren't the second best team in the league. must admit I thought the fee for May was higher, £760k really is a steal. |
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