Docherty

[scabbyhorse]

Calm down a bit from yesterday. Despite some of his deficiencies as a striker, we cannot blame Ahadme for yesterday's poor performance. Coventry, I think, plays the 6 role very well; his job isn't to run forward with the ball but to sit back, protect the back three, and make simple passes to his teammates. However, just throwing it out there, apart from Docherty's goal against Bolton, what else does he contribute?

[eric]

Football often divides opinions and I’m probably on my own on this , but actually thought Docherty had a good game and it looked like a one man midfield at times . He set up up Berry with the best chance of the first half , blasted over from about six yards and had a good header well saved at the death . Coventry had an off day ,Berry was taken ill and don’t get me started on Anderson .

[scabbyhorse]

Bump
Docherty is useless and he was given the captains armband, ridiculous.

[aucklandaddick]

Sept 21, 2024 16:55:24 GMT scabbyhorse said:

Bump
Docherty is useless and he was given the captains armband, ridiculous.

Lloyd Jones is our captain and leader…..end of……….

[Tom1982]

Game was crying out for someone to grab hold of it and he got bossed by….. Albie Morgan. I’d drop him for that. Unforgivable.

[scabbyhorse]

Sept 21, 2024 16:57:18 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Sept 21, 2024 16:55:24 GMT scabbyhorse said:

Bump
Docherty is useless and he was given the captains armband, ridiculous.

Lloyd Jones is our captain and leader…..end of……….

I'm not saying Taylor is the messiah, but he has so much more to his game than Docherty. With forward-thinking passing and excellent dead-ball delivery, Taylor stands out. Docherty, on the other hand... hmmmm... errrrrr... oh, he claps his teammates, encouraging them to give more!

[reamsofverse]

Terrible signing. Never captain material and a waste of a shirt.

[clarky]

Don't rate him at all, can't see what he actually adds in any shape or form.

[roburwash]

Awful. Another hopeless buy.

[aaronaldo]

He does need to step up. He talked it up that he wanted to attack more etc. He’s been anonymous for a lot of the games.

Needs to lead with his performances. I’m not really sure what type of midfielder he is at the moment.

[geronimo]

Sept 21, 2024 17:08:15 GMT scabbyhorse said:

Sept 21, 2024 16:57:18 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Lloyd Jones is our captain and leader…..end of……….

I'm not saying Taylor is the messiah, but he has so much more to his game than Docherty. With forward-thinking passing and excellent dead-ball delivery, Taylor stands out. Docherty, on the other hand... hmmmm... errrrrr... oh, he claps his teammates, encouraging them to give more!

I have said for weeks that Taylor is a decent player.

Macgrandles was to but never got the chance. The midfield players we have acquired in the summer are all old Luton players and none seem that good if you want to play football. No wonder we by pass them with hoof ball. Berry is the best of them but Campbell has shown nowt. Docherty has gone backwards and why is he captain. What happened to Mitchell.

I think Jones isn't creative enough. Why were both Taylor and Edun missing from at least the bench on Saturday whilst Docherty and Campbell were allowed to clown around all the first half ?

[sevenoaks]

At the moment, we seem to have one midfielder doing the work for three.
That is Connor Coventry.
The rest are chasing shadows and it doesn't look like any are that different, so need someone different in Terry Taylor surely to God he is worth a try as he really cannot be any worse.
I still cannot get over how we allowed Albie Morgan to look that good, literally stand still and pick a pass!..
We go backwards sideways Gillesphy and lump...
Lloyd Jones was trying to make things happen..
Should be captain in my eyes and not Docherty.

[aaronaldo]

Sept 23, 2024 3:34:54 GMT sevenoaks said:

At the moment, we seem to have one midfielder doing the work for three.
That is Connor Coventry.
The rest are chasing shadows and it doesn't look like any are that different, so need someone different in Terry Taylor surely to God he is worth a try as he really cannot be any worse.
I still cannot get over how we allowed Albie Morgan to look that good, literally stand still and pick a pass!..
We go backwards sideways Gillesphy and lump...
Lloyd Jones was trying to make things happen..
Should be captain in my eyes and not Docherty.

Tend to agree on this. Having Docherty as captain makes it harder to drop him as well.

[manikin]

Bring back Mitchell, drop Docherty and bring in Taylor, drop Small, bring in Edun if Edwards not ready. Make Coventry or Mitchell captain. Hope Leaburn is available sooner rather than later and also hope Dixon really is a wonder kid.
There you go fixed, no problem!

[wellingaddick]

I find it quite amazing that Docherty has had. so far, a career at a mostly higher level than L1 and yes that does include the SPL. What he is currently showing on the pitch at Charlton, is to be honest, wouldn't be acceptable in the National League. As for his appointment as Captain, there must be something that I'm missing, because I see no fire or passion from him, his demeanour is more like that of a young kid who has just come into the team, rather than its leader.

Just a bad fit all round.

[kings hill addick]

Sept 23, 2024 9:06:21 GMT wellingaddick said:

I find it quite amazing that Docherty has had. so far, a career at a mostly higher level than L1 and yes that does include the SPL. What he is currently showing on the pitch at Charlton, is to be honest, wouldn't be acceptable in the National League. As for his appointment as Captain, there must be something that I'm missing, because I see no fire or passion from him, his demeanour is more like that of a young kid who has just come into the team, rather than its leader.

Just a bad fit all round.

Not to want to disagree with you but, despite not showing much on the pitch, so far, he does look like a leader, to me.

[wellingaddick]

Sept 23, 2024 9:26:19 GMT kings hill addick said:

Sept 23, 2024 9:06:21 GMT wellingaddick said:

I find it quite amazing that Docherty has had. so far, a career at a mostly higher level than L1 and yes that does include the SPL. What he is currently showing on the pitch at Charlton, is to be honest, wouldn't be acceptable in the National League. As for his appointment as Captain, there must be something that I'm missing, because I see no fire or passion from him, his demeanour is more like that of a young kid who has just come into the team, rather than its leader.

Just a bad fit all round.

Not to want to disagree with you but, despite not showing much on the pitch, so far, he does look like a leader, to me.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[reamsofverse]

Sept 23, 2024 9:26:19 GMT kings hill addick said:

Sept 23, 2024 9:06:21 GMT wellingaddick said:

I find it quite amazing that Docherty has had. so far, a career at a mostly higher level than L1 and yes that does include the SPL. What he is currently showing on the pitch at Charlton, is to be honest, wouldn't be acceptable in the National League. As for his appointment as Captain, there must be something that I'm missing, because I see no fire or passion from him, his demeanour is more like that of a young kid who has just come into the team, rather than its leader.

Just a bad fit all round.

Not to want to disagree with you but, despite not showing much on the pitch, so far, he does look like a leader, to me.

The only leader we have is Lloyd Jones.

Anyone can stand there clapping his hands demanding 100% from his team mates but if he's not playing well and offering little himself then he needs to buck his ideas up.

He offers nothing and is never a captain. Needs to come out of the side.

[scabbyhorse]

It’s clear that watching the 2019 playoff final (On sky sports at present) has brought back memories of a Charlton team that seemed far superior to the current lineup. The contrast is striking, especially when you think about key players like Cullen and Aribo, who made a significant impact during that season. In comparison, we now have Docherty and A. Campbell, and it’s hard not to feel a sense of disappointment.

The notion of competing for a top-six finish this season feels more like wishful thinking than a realistic goal. This situation serves as a wake-up call for fans who remember the skill and determination of that squad.

[reamsofverse]

Sept 23, 2024 10:09:27 GMT scabbyhorse said:

It’s clear that watching the 2019 playoff final (On sky sports at present) has brought back memories of a Charlton team that seemed far superior to the current lineup. The contrast is striking, especially when you think about key players like Cullen and Aribo, who made a significant impact during that season. In comparison, we now have Docherty and A. Campbell, and it’s hard not to feel a sense of disappointment.

The notion of competing for a top-six finish this season feels more like wishful thinking than a realistic goal. This situation serves as a wake-up call for fans who remember the skill and determination of that squad.

The club qe are now compared to five years ago is frightening.

For all his faults RD allowed Bowyer to create a fabulous side. Sandgaard was a dick but he delivered Rak Sakyi and Alfie May.

The current incumbents have put together a squad that simply isn't good enough and been scrambled together with money raised from selling a player brought into the club by a former owner who like the rest of us, they ripped to shreads, not that I have an issue with that, it's just given their criticism you would have expected them to taken us on to the next level at least in terms of giving us fans a decent team to watch.

[Mundell]

Greg Docherty, Allan Campbell, and to a lesser extent Luke Berry, all looked to be decent signings on paper and many on this forum seemed to agree with that assessment when they signed. It’s possible they won’t work out, but I feel it’s still too early to make a judgement with any real confidence. 

None of these players are a match for Cullen and Bielik, but that’s a very high bar. Ironically, I remember being at a game at Rochdale when Bielik was hooked at half-time because Lee Bowyer was very unhappy with him. Sometimes it takes time to settle and to adjust to the manager’s style. That’s likely to be especially true when the ‘style’ is as extreme as Jones’s appears to be. 

[scabbyhorse]

While "hoof it and hope" may be considered a style of play, I have yet to witness any evidence from Docherty when he has possession of the ball that indicates he possesses the qualities of a good player.

[aucklandaddick]

Sept 23, 2024 11:51:32 GMT Mundell said:

Greg Docherty, Allan Campbell, and to a lesser extent Luke Berry, all looked to be decent signings on paper and many on this forum seemed to agree with that assessment when they signed. It’s possible they won’t work out, but I feel it’s still too early to make a judgement with any real confidence. 

None of these players are a match for Cullen and Bielik, but that’s a very high bar. Ironically, I remember being at a game at Rochdale when Bielik was hooked at half-time because Lee Bowyer was very unhappy with him. Sometimes it takes time to settle and to adjust to the manager’s style. That’s likely to be especially true when the ‘style’ is as extreme as Jones’s appears to be. 

I was going to say the same Mundell and TBH thought I was going to get pelters for saying it……When we win we are the dogs bollocks….but when we lose we are the biggest shite ever…..there never seems to be any inbetween…….
There is no hiding from the fact that first half we were pretty horrific all over the park…..NJ fucked up big style with his selection on the day, there was absolutely no justication  behind REG coming in for Mitchell nor Campbell or Kanu coming in for Berry and TC/ Gooden and NJ held his hands up on that one….
As for players being written off after 7 games we have previous history of this…..even Dobson was written off by some when he was dropped early in his career…..Coventry was rubbish according to some posters views last season and even Mannion was written off after one aberration against Reading……So I will reserve judgement on Docherty and Campbell until they have had a proper chance to settle in and get used to the system that Jones insists on us playing…

As for all the talk about Jones going to Cardiff…..I will just say……..be very very careful what you wish for……Without his intervention last season we would be playing league two football now…..and does anyone have any faith that the new owners would chose a suitable replace t if he was to jump ship…..🤔🤔🤔🤔

[scabbyhorse]

While it's possible that the team could perform better under a different system, the reality is that there is no chance—none whatsoever—that Jones will change his approach or his long-ball tactics. So, brace yourselves for disappointment, as it seems we're stuck with the current style of play.

[scabbyhorse]

As for the possibility of Jones moving to Cardiff, I have to say that I don't wish for it at all. In fact, I couldn't care less if he chose to leave. His departure wouldn't impact me one way or the other.
Unfortunately under this ownership we are not going anywhere.

[webbo]

To me Lloyd Jones should be captain. I think Docherty doesn’t get dropped because he is captain, but his form has been poor really and he needs to know that others can be tried in his position.

[kings hill addick]

Sept 23, 2024 12:40:33 GMT scabbyhorse said:

While it's possible that the team could perform better under a different system, the reality is that there is no chance—none whatsoever—that Jones will change his approach or his long-ball tactics. So, brace yourselves for disappointment, as it seems we're stuck with the current style of play.

He did try something different Saturday. It didn’t work but he does seem to be aware that we need to add goals.

[clarky]

Sept 23, 2024 11:51:32 GMT Mundell said:

Greg Docherty, Allan Campbell, and to a lesser extent Luke Berry, all looked to be decent signings on paper and many on this forum seemed to agree with that assessment when they signed. It’s possible they won’t work out, but I feel it’s still too early to make a judgement with any real confidence. 

None of these players are a match for Cullen and Bielik, but that’s a very high bar. Ironically, I remember being at a game at Rochdale when Bielik was hooked at half-time because Lee Bowyer was very unhappy with him. Sometimes it takes time to settle and to adjust to the manager’s style. That’s likely to be especially true when the ‘style’ is as extreme as Jones’s appears to be. 

I almost agree with your first paragraph certainly the bit about them looking to be decent signings but I very much doubt that too many would agree that we needed all three of them, certainly at the expense of pace and creativity as an alternative option.

[aucklandaddick]

Sept 24, 2024 10:47:15 GMT clarky said:

Sept 23, 2024 11:51:32 GMT Mundell said:

Greg Docherty, Allan Campbell, and to a lesser extent Luke Berry, all looked to be decent signings on paper and many on this forum seemed to agree with that assessment when they signed. It’s possible they won’t work out, but I feel it’s still too early to make a judgement with any real confidence. 

None of these players are a match for Cullen and Bielik, but that’s a very high bar. Ironically, I remember being at a game at Rochdale when Bielik was hooked at half-time because Lee Bowyer was very unhappy with him. Sometimes it takes time to settle and to adjust to the manager’s style. That’s likely to be especially true when the ‘style’ is as extreme as Jones’s appears to be. 

I almost agree with your first paragraph certainly the bit about them looking to be decent signings but I very much doubt that too many would agree that we needed all three of them, certainly at the expense of pace and creativity as an alternative option.

The problem was we could all see what was required……Macatee and Keillor- Dunne were obviously both available for any club willing to pay the going rate….which Bolton and Barnsley demonstrated……but we were not and went for more midfield tackling work horses

[geronimo]

Sept 1, 2024 16:16:36 GMT scabbyhorse said:

Calm down a bit from yesterday. Despite some of his deficiencies as a striker, we cannot blame Ahadme for yesterday's poor performance. Coventry, I think, plays the 6 role very well; his job isn't to run forward with the ball but to sit back, protect the back three, and make simple passes to his teammates. However, just throwing it out there, apart from Docherty's goal against Bolton, what else does he contribute?

Ahadme was bought as a striker. What else is he supposed to be in a number 9 shirt ? Perhaps he is isolated.

In that case what is the pointvof having players who can't run with the ball? That is one aspect if the game that football players are expected to do. Run with the bleedin' ball. The truth is it see.s we have got rid of Dobson , who ran about a lot and tackled and replaced him with at least 2 more who can only do the same. I once saw an old guy drafted into a Charlton team that was rooted at the bottom of the table. He was 35 or 36. He changed the team insidec15 minutes and saved the club. My question is , are we one guy or so short, say Leaburn or are we lacking everywhere it matters when getting up the pitch. Because at the moment it isn't easy to watch.