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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 14:56:08 GMT
How many goals did May score in Jones' system? Not many. If he doesn't fit the tactic then he's not going to be a 20 goal striker for us anymore unfortunately. If you’ve got a player who can score 20+ goals in a very poor team with limited creativity and defensive weaknesses, yet you can’t fit him in to the tactics you’re implementing, then perhaps the tactics are the problem Didn't do Luton much harm though did they? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 14:58:26 GMT
If you’ve got a player who can score 20+ goals in a very poor team with limited creativity and defensive weaknesses, yet you can’t fit him in to the tactics you’re implementing, then perhaps the tactics are the problem Didn't do Luton much harm though did they? Didn’t do Stoke or Southampton any good though did it. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 15:03:36 GMT
Maybe not but certainly helped keep us up last season but don't let the facts get in the way of the truth eh dick!
As stated by Yorkshireaddick. How many goals did May score under NJ. Good players should be able to adjust their style of play. Most of ours couldn't including Alfie.
Hope you have got your £100 out of the cash point to pay your bet.
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 14, 2024 15:09:31 GMT
If you’ve got a player who can score 20+ goals in a very poor team with limited creativity and defensive weaknesses, yet you can’t fit him in to the tactics you’re implementing, then perhaps the tactics are the problem Didn't do Luton much harm though did they? Southampton and Stoke not so much |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 15:13:38 GMT
Let's judge him on his last season as a manager.
Takes an idiot to judge NJ based on letting a player go.
We really do have some oddball fans who can't seem to get over players leaving.
Said it all last season May is hopeless outside of the penalty box and clearly Im not the only one who thinks it.
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Post by dartford36 on Jun 14, 2024 15:14:37 GMT
I haven’t contributed much recently for various reasons, but here’s my take on this.
As a long standing fan of the club, as are so many others on here, we must all be used to players coming and going. It’s part and parcel of being a supporter. And I have no desire to patronise anyone at all with a brief history of some players but I would just mention Glover to Leicester, Hales to Derby, Flanagan to Selhurst Park, Bent to Spurs - I could go on, but you get my drift. Even BWP left when his contract expired. Paul Williams was a lovely player, IMHO, but he was eventually sold.
When these players left the club I was fed up, but they were replaced and the club moved on. If Alfie is sold he too will be replaced, by whom I have no idea. Hopefully by someone younger and as talented if more so, we wait and see.
If we could get circa £1M for him, excellent business. What appears to be happening is a root and branch restructuring of the team by Jones which hopefully will improve our prospects next season. Time will tell, seriously!
Written from an address in Dartford, sixteen miles from Snodland🤣.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 14, 2024 15:14:41 GMT
If you’ve got a player who can score 20+ goals in a very poor team with limited creativity and defensive weaknesses, yet you can’t fit him in to the tactics you’re implementing, then perhaps the tactics are the problem Didn't do Luton much harm though did they? I think the overriding feeling here is that if we accept an offer for Alfie and lose his goals will we replace him with better to replace those goals? Our fans have been burned over the last few years with player recruitment which has left us in our worse ever position so you can totally understand the fans fears… Interesting that Cawley has said the likelihood is that any deal agreed wouldnt be any time soon and would be subject to us bringing in a new better strike force before NJ makes the decision whether to let him go or not so maybe we just need to see how this all pans out……Judging by the standard of the players that are rumoured to have signed our calibre of player joining is far better than the scatter gun approach of last season where we had to endure young loan players some of which were clearly not ready to play regularly at league one level….. |
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 14, 2024 15:24:54 GMT
Let's judge him on his last season as a manager. Takes an idiot to judge NJ based on letting a player go. We really do have some oddball fans who can't seem to get over players leaving. Said it all last season May is hopeless outside of the penalty box and clearly Im not the only one who thinks it. Not sure what the fascination is with having Alfie be “good outside the penalty box”? Even an idiot can see that if you have a player that can score that many goals inside the penalty box, then you bring in players who can get him the ball in the penalty box - not get rid of him |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 14, 2024 15:29:27 GMT
Didn't do Luton much harm though did they? Southampton and Stoke not so much Blimey one of the greatest managers of all time very very nearly got the tin tac from Man United before rebuilding them into the force they were and prior to that turned Aberdeen into a European winning team….. Not that I am not trying to put NJ anywhere near that level I am just trying use this as an example to say that some coaches work better when they a rebuilding from the bottom in the lower leagues like NJ did at Luton rather than moving into established Championship sides where for whatever reason it clearly didn’t work out……. All I will say is before NJ joined us we were a complete and utter circus heading straight for league two…….In a short space of time he steadied the ship, dropped all the players that couldn’t play the way he wanted, was involved in bringing in two of our better players in Small and Ramsay and took us to safety with a defence with more holes in it than the Titantic? That alone was a job very well done all things considered but I think the fella really needs to be judged when he has his own recruited team playing on the field not a team inherited full of very average league one/ two standard players….. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 15:30:28 GMT
Let's judge him on his last season as a manager. Takes an idiot to judge NJ based on letting a player go. We really do have some oddball fans who can't seem to get over players leaving. Said it all last season May is hopeless outside of the penalty box and clearly Im not the only one who thinks it. Not sure what the fascination is with having Alfie be “good outside the penalty box”? Even an idiot can see that if you have a player that can score that many goals inside the penalty box, then you bring in players who can get him the ball in the penalty box - not get rid of him Post of the day. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 15:33:44 GMT
The only idiots on show here are the one's who have to delve into the archives to dig our manager out.
Quite sad that one would stoop that low to be honest but hey ho, each to their own.
Alfie May is fast approaching 32, the back end of his career so cashing in now is absolutely the right thing to do.
How would you feel this time next season when let's say he's just scored another 20+ goals but then opts to go and play for Michael Duff anyway given his contract would have ended?
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Post by coloradocafc on Jun 14, 2024 15:46:45 GMT
How would you feel this time next season when let's say he's just scored another 20+ goals but then opts to go and play for Michael Duff anyway given his contract would have ended? I'd take it in a heartbeat if it came with promotion. I'm not opposed to selling May or any other player. I've said earlier that it won't matter if goal differential is good. It will bring intense scrutiny if goals are slow to come. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jun 14, 2024 15:47:16 GMT
We can only judge it when we know who is being lined up as replacement(s) for his position and his goals (which might be midfielders). It's hard to judge a decision when we only have tiny bit of information.
Hopefully he stays, but if not we must ensure we get quality players to replace him. Nathan has already told Cawley that May only leaves if he gets his preferred targets* in first.
No need to panic yet imo.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jun 14, 2024 15:49:41 GMT
We can only judge it when we know who is being lined up as replacement(s) for his position and his goals (which might be midfielders). It's hard to judge a decision when we only have tiny bit of information. Hopefully he stays, but if not we must ensure we get quality players to replace him. Nathan has already told Cawley that May only leaves if he gets his preferred targets* in first. No need to panic yet imo. Yep that’s my take on it also….. |
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 14, 2024 15:57:35 GMT
The only idiots on show here are the one's who have to delve into the archives to dig our manager out. Quite sad that one would stoop that low to be honest but hey ho, each to their own. Alfie May is fast approaching 32, the back end of his career so cashing in now is absolutely the right thing to do. How would you feel this time next season when let's say he's just scored another 20+ goals but then opts to go and play for Michael Duff anyway given his contract would have ended? “Dig our manager out”? People have only pointed out that he has been unsuccessful at Stoke and Southampton, so are cautious to think that just because he did an amazing job at Luton that he will always do an amazing job Also hardly “delving into the archives” to remember what happened within the last 5 years…. Strange |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 16:08:25 GMT
Ok I'll rephrase it, digging into what were the only two unsuccessful spells of his career.
Whatever suits to get a point accross I suppose but just for the record, in between his jobs at Stoke and Southampton he returned to Luton and was named 2021–22 EFL Championship Manager of the Season for the job he did.
He didn't have a leg to stand on at Stoke by teh way, he went there in the January and many of the squad had already downed tools. Southampton I grant you. That was a disater for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 16:09:36 GMT
I have just have a contrary view to yours Reams. I am not digging out Jones. You pointed out his good record at Luton. I, for balance, pointed out his poor record at Stoke and Southampton. It is called a balanced discussion.
I like Nathan Jones, I liked him as our U23 Manager and I like him now. But he is not the Messiah.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 16:18:35 GMT
I have just have a contrary view to yours Reams. I am not digging out Jones. You pointed out his good record at Luton. I, for balance, pointed out his poor record at Stoke and Southampton. It is called a balanced discussion. I like Nathan Jones, I liked him as our U23 Manager and I like him now. But he is not the Messiah. Fair enough dick, I'm all for balanced discussions. |
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 14, 2024 16:24:32 GMT
I want Nathan to do well at Charlton and would love for him to do with us, what he did with Luton
But, I can’t understand this “blind faith” being put in him by a section of our supports who seem to assume that because he was a success at Luton means he is guaranteed to be a success with us.
Personally, I’d rather we kept Alfie and his goals got us promotion then we sold him because NJ didn’t think he could make it in the Championship rather than what looks like happening where we sell a proven L1 goalscorer to a team looking to get promoted at the first time of asking
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 16:42:28 GMT
I agree, Alfie's replacement if there is one, has to be a step up on what he is otherwise there is no point.
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Post by melrose555 on Jun 14, 2024 18:14:44 GMT
I have just have a contrary view to yours Reams. I am not digging out Jones. You pointed out his good record at Luton. I, for balance, pointed out his poor record at Stoke and Southampton. It is called a balanced discussion. I like Nathan Jones, I liked him as our U23 Manager and I like him now. But he is not the Messiah. No....but he's a very naughty boy 😀 |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 19:32:12 GMT
Huddersfield fan reckons they have now offered 1.2m.
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Post by watameires on Jun 14, 2024 19:52:38 GMT
Huddersfield fan reckons they have now offered 1.2m. If so take it |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Jun 14, 2024 19:53:44 GMT
You would think Huddersfield have the billionaire owners than us.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 14, 2024 19:54:01 GMT
Huddersfield fan reckons they have now offered 1.2m. If so take it Absolutely. |
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Post by brad on Jun 14, 2024 20:03:09 GMT
Agree that's alot of money for May. Just got to be all given to re-invest. Can't be just free transfers and oh we tried but couldn't get deals over the line |
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Post by delles on Jun 14, 2024 20:05:54 GMT
1.2m is good all considering. You just hope jones has targets in mind ready to go.
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Post by clarky on Jun 14, 2024 20:52:09 GMT
Let's judge him on his last season as a manager. Takes an idiot to judge NJ based on letting a player go. We really do have some oddball fans who can't seem to get over players leaving. Said it all last season May is hopeless outside of the penalty box and clearly Im not the only one who thinks it. Not sure what the fascination is with having Alfie be “good outside the penalty box”? Even an idiot can see that if you have a player that can score that many goals inside the penalty box, then you bring in players who can get him the ball in the penalty box - not get rid of him Great post, he is a poacher, his job is to score goals, he does that, what we lack is a player who can assist him scoring more goals. |
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Post by whynot on Jun 14, 2024 20:53:29 GMT
You would think for that Sum we would take it.
Which I am sure will also mean a good-size pay rise for May + the promise of a starting place in the first 11. So it would be a win-win for us and him.
I am not saying I would want us to sell him and would love to keep him. But for that money it just makes sense. But it could be a big mistake for the club to let him go and not get the proper replacements in.
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Post by clarky on Jun 14, 2024 21:00:42 GMT
1.2m is good all considering. You just hope jones has targets in mind ready to go. You would hope we get a replacement in before he goes but I wouldn't bet on it. |
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