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Post by weststandfruitloop on Aug 31, 2024 12:19:31 GMT
If his contract is terminated he has the right to seek employment. I've done a bit of digging and you are correct. One caveat to this is that clubs have to submit their squad list to the EFL within 24 hours of a transfer window closing. Making any changes to that squad list outside of a transfer window requires EFL permission, but getting this doesn't seem an issue when adding free agents (as per our signings of Wickham and LuaLua towards the end of last season). |
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Post by willett on Aug 31, 2024 12:38:26 GMT
A disappointing day to end a positive transfer window.
Feel like our main 15 or so players are very decent.
Don’t feel like we’ve got adequate creativity or back-up though.
Feel like Andy Scott has let Jones down in terms of failing to flog some of his poor signings.
Sounds like we didn’t really spend anything either if you take into account the money coming in from transfers.
Hoping that we manage to avoid too many injuries this season as think we’ll continue to be decent if we do.
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 31, 2024 12:40:25 GMT
That's one thing I'm not sure about tbh. I suspect it's a moot point though, since the contract terminations being announced right now presumably went through before the window closed last night (it's not exactly the sort of thing clubs would necessarily be in a hurry to announce). If his contract is terminated he has the right to seek employment. The rule used to be that he can, indeed, seek alternative employment but can't, actually, play football for another club until the next transfer window opens. If they scrapped that rule the likes of Man City would buy a table from another club for £50m and then that club would 'release' a player that City would 'sign on a free'. I suspect that the rule still exists or why would so many clubs be paying off their players on the exact day that the transfer window closes. |
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Post by madz on Aug 31, 2024 13:01:05 GMT
That's one thing I'm not sure about tbh. I suspect it's a moot point though, since the contract terminations being announced right now presumably went through before the window closed last night (it's not exactly the sort of thing clubs would necessarily be in a hurry to announce). If his contract is terminated he has the right to seek employment. I agree they should have a right to seek employment, but I just don't know if they can. I know free agents can sign, but I think that's to do with when they were no longer registered at previous clubs. I would hope we didn't screw Fraser over by terminating his contract after the window closed (as an example). I was just wondering what the rules were. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Aug 31, 2024 13:20:13 GMT
If his contract is terminated he has the right to seek employment. I agree they should have a right to seek employment, but I just don't know if they can. I know free agents can sign, but I think that's to do with when they were no longer registered at previous clubs. I would hope we didn't screw Fraser over by terminating his contract after the window closed (as an example). I was just wondering what the rules were. I doubt that a player's agent would allow that to happen. |
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Post by manikin on Aug 31, 2024 13:23:01 GMT
If his contract is terminated he has the right to seek employment. I agree they should have a right to seek employment, but I just don't know if they can. I know free agents can sign, but I think that's to do with when they were no longer registered at previous clubs. I would hope we didn't screw Fraser over by terminating his contract after the window closed (as an example). I was just wondering what the rules were. Sorry, both you and King's Hill are right. If a contract is terminated outside the window the player can't join another club until the window reopens. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Aug 31, 2024 13:33:12 GMT
The centre back situation gives me anxiety. If we lose jones and Mitchell our back 3 is Gillesphey , Zach Mitchell and REG. That is a bottom half defence.
Ramsay was tried out there a lot preseason so maybe that is Nathan’s thinking 🤷♂️
Guess edwards could play LCB as well
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Post by brad on Aug 31, 2024 16:52:35 GMT
As said before always though we had better team but needed an extra 2 to 3 players to what we had.
Big question did we actually spend any money I would say we was nett even. Plus add to the fact would have had pay Fraser £200k to rip up contract.
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Post by herewegoagain on Aug 31, 2024 17:33:03 GMT
Gavin Whyte attacking midfielder freed by Portsmouth. Any good? ,not a rumour. Good shout. He was good at Oxford in L1 a few seasons back, worth a punt on a free given our failure to recruit a CAM, in my opinion. |
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Post by brad on Sept 1, 2024 11:46:36 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings.
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Post by herewegoagain on Sept 1, 2024 11:48:06 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. Wow, really? Andy Scott strikes again. How is this bloke still involved with the club?! |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 1, 2024 11:53:53 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. That doesn’t make sense. Why would we pay it all? Just let him play U21’s if that is the case. Surely some teams were interested to pay some of his wages? |
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Post by brad on Sept 1, 2024 12:03:42 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. Wow, really? Andy Scott strikes again. How is this bloke still involved with the club?! As much as I hate Scott. This is a Gallen singing and contract. |
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Post by brad on Sept 1, 2024 12:05:32 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. That doesn’t make sense. Why would we pay it all? Just let him play U21’s if that is the case. Surely some teams were interested to pay some of his wages? He was just going to sit in for his last year can't blame him his not going to get £7.5k elsewhere, guessing Jones didnt want him around the place. |
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Post by herewegoagain on Sept 1, 2024 12:12:56 GMT
Wow, really? Andy Scott strikes again. How is this bloke still involved with the club?! As much as I hate Scott. This is a Gallen singing and contract. Oh I know Scott isn’t responsible for signing Fraser. What I was referring to was the sanctioning of the pay-off was Scott I assume? After all it was his job to move/get rid of the deadwood, which was another failure. |
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Post by brad on Sept 1, 2024 12:17:39 GMT
As much as I hate Scott. This is a Gallen singing and contract. Oh I know Scott isn’t responsible for signing Fraser. What I was referring to was the sanctioning of the pay-off was Scott I assume? After all it was his job to move/get rid of the deadwood, which was another failure. Sorry yes I know what you mean now. I would have kept him rather than just pay him off. If we have legs in midfield you could have used him in some games. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2024 12:18:26 GMT
As much as I hate Scott. This is a Gallen singing and contract. Oh I know Scott isn’t responsible for signing Fraser. What I was referring to was the sanctioning of the pay-off was Scott I assume? After all it was his job to move/get rid of the deadwood, which was another failure. Andy Scott has signed more shite at Charlton than any other person in the 40 years I have supported the club. He did the same at Forest. The block is clueless. Another former footballer who people in the game (mates) find a club gullible enough to find a job for. Just no need for him at the club at all. Talks utter bollocks every time he opens his mouth. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Sept 1, 2024 12:23:44 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. He was just going to sit in for his last year can't blame him his not going to get £7.5k elsewhere, guessing Jones didnt want him around the place. Think you're making quite a few assumptions here. I assume you got the £7.5k a week from a site like Transfermarkt. They get their information from a paysite called Salarysport who admit that for teams below the Premier League they basically make the wages up. Several people on forums have reported being told by senior figures within the club that Fraser was on at most £6k a week. You then also seem to have multiplied that figure by a whole year, when there were only 43 weeks of Fraser's contract left when we paid him off. Even using your 7.5k weekly figure that's 'only' 322.5k in total not 400k. I know you're very much opposed to Andy Scott so can understand you wanting to make things sound as bad as possible. You may well be right on the 400k figure, but personally I think it will be more like your original figure of 200k. Either way it would be small change to our billionaire owners if Methven and co hadn't first attracted them with the idea of doing everything on the cheap. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2024 12:29:48 GMT
A disappointing day to end a positive transfer window. Feel like our main 15 or so players are very decent. Don’t feel like we’ve got adequate creativity or back-up though. Feel like Andy Scott has let Jones down in terms of failing to flog some of his poor signings. Sounds like we didn’t really spend anything either if you take into account the money coming in from transfers. Hoping that we manage to avoid too many injuries this season as think we’ll continue to be decent if we do. No ball carrier to drag us up the pitch. Ramsay and Edwards apart the other wide players are hopeless. Thierry Small was a half a season wonder. Technically he has not got it in him. Twice yesterday he tried passing inside with his right foot and it was embarrassing. Cannot defend to save his life. That is isn't Scott's fault, it was a NJ signing I think but when he's told to look for anything for under a fiver what choice has he got? |
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Post by brad on Sept 1, 2024 12:48:30 GMT
Just found out we have paid all of Fraser's contract circ of £400k. Maybe this why no more signings. He was just going to sit in for his last year can't blame him his not going to get £7.5k elsewhere, guessing Jones didnt want him around the place. Think you're making quite a few assumptions here. I assume you got the £7.5k a week from a site like Transfermarkt. They get their information from a paysite called Salarysport who admit that for teams below the Premier League they basically make the wages up. Several people on forums have reported being told by senior figures within the club that Fraser was on at most £6k a week. You then also seem to have multiplied that figure by a whole year, when there were only 43 weeks of Fraser's contract left when we paid him off. Even using your 7.5k weekly figure that's 'only' 322.5k in total not 400k. I know you're very much opposed to Andy Scott so can understand you wanting to make things sound as bad as possible. You may well be right on the 400k figure, but personally I think it will be more like your original figure of 200k. Either way it would be small change to our billionaire owners if Methven and co hadn't first attracted them with the idea of doing everything on the cheap. Yes I hate Scott and really don't know why he is still at the club but this isn't about that. It's just letting people know the truth which the club will never say. 100% he was on £7.5k a week and was now told its a full pay off. |
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Post by herewegoagain on Sept 1, 2024 13:01:15 GMT
Oh I know Scott isn’t responsible for signing Fraser. What I was referring to was the sanctioning of the pay-off was Scott I assume? After all it was his job to move/get rid of the deadwood, which was another failure. Sorry yes I know what you mean now. I would have kept him rather than just pay him off. If we have legs in midfield you could have used him in some games. Absolutely agree with you, I would have kept him and used him as we saw fit. He was being paid regardless after all. If Fraser didn’t want to stay and fight for his place under a generous contract that HE signed then he simply didn’t deserve a pay off of any sorts. If however, the club had decided he was no longer needed we still didn’t have to pay him off in full. A normal club would have used him as part of another transfer or lowered the fee expected for him to at least achieve some form of income when moving him on. Paying him off in full, if true, really is as gormless as it can get. |
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Post by herewegoagain on Sept 1, 2024 13:04:01 GMT
Oh I know Scott isn’t responsible for signing Fraser. What I was referring to was the sanctioning of the pay-off was Scott I assume? After all it was his job to move/get rid of the deadwood, which was another failure. Andy Scott has signed more shite at Charlton than any other person in the 40 years I have supported the club. He did the same at Forest. The block is clueless. Another former footballer who people in the game (mates) find a club gullible enough to find a job for. Just no need for him at the club at all. Talks utter bollocks every time he opens his mouth. 100% agree with this. We are not going anywhere with him involved that’s for sure. I’d love to know how much our famed SMT are costing per annum. Some of that money that would be far better spent on the first team in my view. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Sept 1, 2024 13:06:25 GMT
If we are looking to address the lack of a creative midfielder, there are quite a few free agents out there.
The likes of Daniel Johnson (31yo Jamaican international CAM just terminated by Stoke) and Marcus Browne (26yo ex-Oxford CAM/winger who we have been linked with) for example.
The one that most interests me is Fred Onyedinma. He was signed by NJ at Luton (having come through the ranks at Millwall), born in Nigeria but grew up in Greenwich and played youth football in Blackheath on the same team as Joe Gomez. He has bags of experience at Championship and L1 level, as well as featuring in eight PL games for Luton at the end of last season.
27 years old with insane utility player vibes.
This is his career (appearances, goals and assists) to date (excluding around 100 other games where Transfermarkt doesn't list the position he played):
Right Midfield 75 7 4
Left Midfield 61 9 6
Attacking Mid 30 6 7
Right Winger 24 1 4
Left Winger 23 9 2
Centre-Forward 16 1 3
Central Mid 10 - 1
Second Striker 5 3 -
Right-Back 2 - -
Is there any reason why he's not on our radar (yeah he mainly plays wide, but NJ has signed him before)? Injuries don't seem to be an issue with 350-ish appearances at age 27. Wages, perhaps?
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Post by norfolkrobin on Sept 1, 2024 13:28:04 GMT
If we are looking to address the lack of a creative midfielder, there are quite a few free agents out there. The likes of Daniel Johnson (31yo Jamaican international CAM just terminated by Stoke) and Marcus Browne (26yo ex-Oxford CAM/winger who we have been linked with) for example. The one that most interests me is Fred Onyedinma. Signed by NJ at Luton (having come through the ranks at Millwall) he has bags of experience at Championship and L1 level, as well as featuring in eight PL games for Luton at the end of last season. 27 years old with insane utility player vibes. This is his career (appearances, goals and assists) to date: Right Midfield 75 7 4 Left Midfield 61 9 6 Attacking Mid 30 6 7 Right Winger 24 1 4 Left Winger 23 9 2 Centre-Forward 16 1 3 Central Mid 10 - 1 Second Striker 5 3 - Right-Back 2 - - Is there any reason why he's not on our radar (yeah he mainly plays wide, but NJ has signed him before)? Injuries don't seem to be an issue with 350-ish appearances at age 27. Wages, perhaps? Good spot. Don't think NJ has ruled out free agents so could be worth a look. Depends if he'd be willing to do what Wickham did last year,come in,let's have a look and go from there? |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 2, 2024 1:26:26 GMT
If we are looking to address the lack of a creative midfielder, there are quite a few free agents out there. The likes of Daniel Johnson (31yo Jamaican international CAM just terminated by Stoke) and Marcus Browne (26yo ex-Oxford CAM/winger who we have been linked with) for example. The one that most interests me is Fred Onyedinma. He was signed by NJ at Luton (having come through the ranks at Millwall), born in Nigeria but grew up in Greenwich and played youth football in Blackheath on the same team as Joe Gomez. He has bags of experience at Championship and L1 level, as well as featuring in eight PL games for Luton at the end of last season. 27 years old with insane utility player vibes. This is his career (appearances, goals and assists) to date (excluding around 100 other games where Transfermarkt doesn't list the position he played): Right Midfield 75 7 4 Left Midfield 61 9 6 Attacking Mid 30 6 7 Right Winger 24 1 4 Left Winger 23 9 2 Centre-Forward 16 1 3 Central Mid 10 - 1 Second Striker 5 3 - Right-Back 2 - - Is there any reason why he's not on our radar (yeah he mainly plays wide, but NJ has signed him before)? Injuries don't seem to be an issue with 350-ish appearances at age 27. Wages, perhaps? It's certainly going to be an interesting week coming up. First off the management need to digest the Reading game AND make a decision about the Rotherham fixture. Next up, what do they need to compete properly AND who is available. Then what do they think the side will look like by November - what is the ambition? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 2, 2024 12:14:56 GMT
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Post by madz on Sept 2, 2024 12:56:25 GMT
Can't see it really. He seemed ok at first but then got dropped and never really recovered under any manager. |
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Post by brad on Sept 2, 2024 18:12:56 GMT
He was on trial with Leyton Orient in pre season and couldn't get a deal there. Can't ever see him back with us. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Sept 3, 2024 5:47:48 GMT
If we are going to explore the free transfer route then that tells you we didn’t address everything in the window and we’re hoping to do it cheaply. Let’s hope there's a good one out there and not another lua lua
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Post by madz on Sept 3, 2024 7:39:10 GMT
I'd be surprised if we don't try to sort a deal for Potts, but any decent ACM or winger worth their salt won't be available for free, unless they were terminated by mutual agreement on deadline day like Fraser.
We'd likely get an aging winger like a LuaLua type or someone only expected to last 20-30 minutes a game
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