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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 23, 2024 12:47:18 GMT
He's here.
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Post by addickteduk on Aug 23, 2024 13:03:10 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 23, 2024 13:05:01 GMT
Welcome Kaheim. Go and do the business son!
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Post by redplanet on Aug 23, 2024 14:10:49 GMT
Your rudeness suggests a nerve was inadvertently touched. So for the expenditure of another 2p, I find 'Two fans in the know usually' is still a rumour until it happens. And as for, "Unfortunately this is what happens when you faff around waiting for players to leave first. Club needs to realise you don’t always have the luxury of waiting to minimise risk." Maintaining a feasible budget and planning long-term, or spending like a drunken sailor, creating a bloated squad and having dead wood to pay wages to if you can't move them on? Pretty obvious which is the proper way to run a business. Otherwise, there's always Chelsea. Understand what you are saying mate but you can't criticise how the board are running the business based on being unable to move on Fraser and/or TT. I say this because they didn't bring Fraser in and put him on silly money, same with Aneke. That's close on 15k a week which over a six week period is what we paid for Josh Edwards! Agree 100%. |
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Post by tonyshootersbull on Aug 23, 2024 16:07:48 GMT
Allan Campbell from Luton been at charlton training ground all day with Nathan Jones.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
Allan Campbell from Luton been at charlton training ground all day with Nathan Jones. Source?. |
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Post by 995632 on Aug 23, 2024 16:44:18 GMT
Allan Campbell from Luton been at charlton training ground all day with Nathan Jones. Source?. Ketchup on his bacon, never brown apparently... |
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Post by tonyshootersbull on Aug 23, 2024 16:46:16 GMT
I'm at the training ground
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 23, 2024 16:58:44 GMT
Rated at Luton but sounds another defensive player which is how NJ used him at Luton.
Not a player that I would be overly keen on to be honest.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 23, 2024 17:28:13 GMT
Rated at Luton but sounds another defensive player which is how NJ used him at Luton. Not a player that I would be overly keen on to be honest. Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 23, 2024 17:45:23 GMT
Unless I missed it we didn’t see Dixon in the retro shirt. So more incoming..
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Post by scoham on Aug 23, 2024 18:31:19 GMT
Rated at Luton but sounds another defensive player which is how NJ used him at Luton. Not a player that I would be overly keen on to be honest. Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. With it looking like Taylor will leave NJ will want an alternative to Coventry in the DM role. I doubt we’re going to see a creative playmaker type come in. Instead one of the midfield three will be given the freedom to get in the box to score goals, just as Berry did against Orient. |
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Post by steve2707 on Aug 23, 2024 18:47:28 GMT
Rated at Luton but sounds another defensive player which is how NJ used him at Luton. Not a player that I would be overly keen on to be honest. Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. Erm? Kaheim Dixon? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 23, 2024 18:47:49 GMT
Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. With it looking like Taylor will leave NJ will want an alternative to Coventry in the DM role. I doubt we’re going to see a creative playmaker type come in. Instead one of the midfield three will be given the freedom to get in the box to score goals, just as Berry did against Orient. Yeah while I don't agree with it, it's beginning to look that way mate. The worry is though there isn't anyone really who can play in the Berry role should he pick up a knock unless we are prepared to throw Dixon into the fold? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 23, 2024 19:07:29 GMT
Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. Erm? Kaheim Dixon? Thought Dixon is a winger? It will be interesting to see the timeline for when he makes his first team debut? |
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Post by se17foxy on Aug 23, 2024 19:10:48 GMT
Thought Dixon is a winger? It will be interesting to see the timeline for when he makes his first team debut? He can play either wing, down the middle and in the 10 |
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Post by madz on Aug 23, 2024 19:21:31 GMT
I don't think Dixon is going to be the ACM we are after this season. I'm having a guess here that the reason he is said to be a first team squad player is the only way we could get a work permit for him.
I fully expect him to mostly play for the reserves but maybe on the bench for 1st team, but not often used. He has a lot of promise I fully accept that, but it's a lot of pressure on a 19 year old away from home. I'm not saying he can't do it, I really hope he can, but don't expect great things from him yet.
We still need a proper experienced creative player, even if Berry is seen as one of those we still need another.
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Post by scoham on Aug 23, 2024 20:08:13 GMT
With it looking like Taylor will leave NJ will want an alternative to Coventry in the DM role. I doubt we’re going to see a creative playmaker type come in. Instead one of the midfield three will be given the freedom to get in the box to score goals, just as Berry did against Orient. Yeah while I don't agree with it, it's beginning to look that way mate. The worry is though there isn't anyone really who can play in the Berry role should he pick up a knock unless we are prepared to throw Dixon into the fold? Rightly or wrongly NJ seems to want goals from Docherty. He scored 5 in the league when Hull won the title, so it's not completely alien to him, but I get the arguments for and against it. Dixon from the clips looks to me like someone to play up front or out wide if we switch formation rather than deeper in midfield. A player to get on the end of creative passes rather than pick them out himself. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 23, 2024 20:51:29 GMT
I don't think Dixon is going to be the ACM we are after this season. I'm having a guess here that the reason he is said to be a first team squad player is the only way we could get a work permit for him. I fully expect him to mostly play for the reserves but maybe on the bench for 1st team, but not often used. He has a lot of promise I fully accept that, but it's a lot of pressure on a 19 year old away from home. I'm not saying he can't do it, I really hope he can, but don't expect great things from him yet. We still need a proper experienced creative player, even if Berry is seen as one of those we still need another. Yep, I agree with your assessment mate…..👍 |
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Aug 23, 2024 21:10:04 GMT
Unless I missed it we didn’t see Dixon in the retro shirt. So more incoming.. It's will be Campbell in the retro shirt.Google Alan Campbell of years ago .Charlton player retro shirt. |
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Post by addickteduk on Aug 23, 2024 22:35:16 GMT
Unless I missed it we didn’t see Dixon in the retro shirt. So more incoming.. What am I missing mate? |
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Post by DA9 on Aug 24, 2024 6:02:43 GMT
Unless I missed it we didn’t see Dixon in the retro shirt. So more incoming.. Or they are using it for inspiration and research for next seasons home kit? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 24, 2024 6:19:38 GMT
Yeah while I don't agree with it, it's beginning to look that way mate. The worry is though there isn't anyone really who can play in the Berry role should he pick up a knock unless we are prepared to throw Dixon into the fold? Rightly or wrongly NJ seems to want goals from Docherty. He scored 5 in the league when Hull won the title, so it's not completely alien to him, but I get the arguments for and against it. Dixon from the clips looks to me like someone to play up front or out wide if we switch formation rather than deeper in midfield. A player to get on the end of creative passes rather than pick them out himself. We have had an excellent start to the season which is great but my question is how many actual chances have we created? It’s all running for us at present with the late goals but the test will be when we play our high energy, hard pressing attritional football but get beat without creating much because we lack that creative spark in the middle of the park, especially if we don’t get 30 odd games out of Berry? it’s a bloody long season, some teams will sit back at us especially at the Valley and ask us to break them down, do we have a plan b to do this rather than just outrunning teams with our work rate? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 24, 2024 6:31:25 GMT
Thought Dixon is a winger? It will be interesting to see the timeline for when he makes his first team debut? He can play either wing, down the middle and in the 10 Not doubting your assessment of him, you obviously know more about the player then I do, but I would be interested to know how many competitive games Dixon has played as a creative number 10? |
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Post by scoham on Aug 24, 2024 7:29:19 GMT
Rightly or wrongly NJ seems to want goals from Docherty. He scored 5 in the league when Hull won the title, so it's not completely alien to him, but I get the arguments for and against it. Dixon from the clips looks to me like someone to play up front or out wide if we switch formation rather than deeper in midfield. A player to get on the end of creative passes rather than pick them out himself. We have had an excellent start to the season which is great but my question is how many actual chances have we created? It’s all running for us at present with the late goals but the test will be when we play our high energy, hard pressing attritional football but get beat without creating much because we lack that creative spark in the middle of the park, especially if we don’t get 30 odd games out of Berry? it’s a bloody long season, some teams will sit back at us especially at the Valley and ask us to break them down, do we have a plan b to do this rather than just outrunning teams with our work rate? I think and hope we’ll improve going forward but Jones is the first manager in years that has rightly prioritised defending and being tough to beat over attacking play and playing out from the back. It’s much better to build that solid base first and make tweaks to improve our attacking play than the other way around. Those strengths were features of our successful years under Curbs, Powell and Bowyer, we wouldn’t have won promotions without them. The good thing is Jones recognised our attacking play needs to improve. Hopefully we’ll have a signing or two this week to help it along with work on the training ground that results in improvements on the pitch. Today’s game will be interesting, there could be more space in behind which might actually help us. It’s how we scored twice against Pompey in the final friendly. |
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Post by grapevine49 on Aug 24, 2024 8:48:46 GMT
Campbell is a not a D option. In any series of negotiations you will move up and down a list of ever changing options. You may feel in terms of what you seeking you have secured a decent option for a decent fee but that it falls through. It doesn’t mean the next target is an inferior choice because he may not have been available the first time around most particularly if the prices was not right with either the player his current club.
I fully recognise the ambition for some creative flair and some goal scoring numbers but in all honesty at a League 1 level there are a host of one season wonders. We have one in Fraser. He stumbled at Ipswich, had a competent first season with us but disappeared last season. Now nobody is chasing his services.
I still think some are misreading the Jones modus operandi.
He genuinely works to an inclusive 22 player outfield squad. With his work ethic and disciplines he is expecting a minimum of 6 central midfielders to contribute over the season. Over a full season he regularly rotates them. 4 of our slots are filled by Berry, Docherty, Anderson, Coventry. The question is what can Taylor, Edun and Fraser offer to such rotation? Campell can happily fit within that rotation where his CV outweighs the others. Jones bought him from Motherwell and gave him circa 50 starts out of circa 65 Championship games before Jones moved on to pastures new.
As the “Video Analyst” suggests Jones used Campbell, a traditional Defensive, Central Midfielder for his running prowess and ability to press. Is it likely to be graft over guile? Probably but if Taylor, Edun and Fraser are moved on your creative ambitions may yet be met.
I have no problem with Campbell being in the building.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Aug 24, 2024 8:55:16 GMT
Campbell is a not a D option. In any series of negotiations you will move up and down a list of ever changing options. You may feel in terms of what you seeking you have secured a decent option for a decent fee but that it falls through. It doesn’t mean the next target is an inferior choice because he may not have been available the first time around most particularly if the prices was not right with either the player his current club. I fully recognise the ambition for some creative flair and some goal scoring numbers but in all honesty at a League 1 level there are a host of one season wonders. We have one in Fraser. He stumbled at Ipswich, had a competent first season with us but disappeared last season. Now nobody is chasing his services. I still think some are misreading the Jones modus operandi. He genuinely works to an inclusive 22 player outfield squad. With his work ethic and disciplines he is expecting a minimum of 6 central midfielders to contribute over the season. Over a full season he regularly rotates them. 4 of our slots are filled by Berry, Docherty, Anderson, Coventry. The question is what can Taylor, Edun and Fraser offer to such rotation? Campell can happily fit within that rotation where his CV outweighs the others. Jones bought him from Motherwell and gave him circa 50 starts out of circa 65 Championship games before Jones moved on to pastures new. As the “Video Analyst” suggests Jones used Campbell, a traditional Defensive, Central Midfielder for his running prowess and ability to press. Is it likely to be graft over guile? Probably but if Taylor, Edun and Fraser are moved on your creative ambitions may yet be met. I have no problem with Campbell being in the building. Good perspective, and it seems correct to me. I'd also add the likes of Charlie Kirk, Jayasemi and Nicky Ajose to our semi-recent one season wonder tally. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 24, 2024 8:56:27 GMT
As far as the ones that will really change our budgets go, just FYI: We are due 1.25% of any Ademola Lookman move away from Spain (solidarity fee for 2.5 years at 0.5% each) - the rumoured £50m to Arsenal would net us £625k. NB This might be more as I don't know if non-league Waterloo FC get anything. If not (if it's 'professional development' only) then the 5% solidarity fee will be spread over fewer years, so our cut will rise to about a million. For Joe Gomez we are rumoured to have a 20% sell on for anything above £6m, so the rumoured £40m would net us £8.5m. If Gomez moves overseas (rather than stays in the PL) we would also get a 2.5% solidarity payment, eg another £1m (although I guess skimming off the solidarity money might reduce the wider fee re sell-on percentage?). Watch this space. Thanks for your really informative posts on this subject weststandfruitloop It’s great to have a clear explanation of how these payments work and then to see what it means for us in monetary terms. Like kings hill addick I find it a bit counterintuitive that we should receive a windfall payment simply because we were lucky enough to have Conor Gallagher on loan, but the rules “are out there” for anyone, like you, who takes the time to understand them and calibrate their impact. It's not the first time you’ve done something like this and, in my view, it adds real value to the Forum, especially when contrasted with the less well informed speculation and heresay we often see elsewhere on social media. Thanks |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 24, 2024 9:07:24 GMT
Might well be doing the fella a complete disservice but sounds to me a plan D recruit……an all action upgrade on Anderson to be mobile and press in our midfield….. When are we ever going to be linked to a creative link up player……. Not sure he went down that well at Millwall but maybe league one now is his level…….does sound very much like a NJ signing though and very much an NJ type of player…. With it looking like Taylor will leave NJ will want an alternative to Coventry in the DM role. I doubt we’re going to see a creative playmaker type come in. Instead one of the midfield three will be given the freedom to get in the box to score goals, just as Berry did against Orient. Makes sense to me. We’re talking a very different level of football obviously, but looking at styles of play I sense that Nathan Jones is much more in Jurgen Klopp’s gegenpressing camp than the more ‘cultured’ possession based style of a Pep Guardiola or Mikel Arteta, for example. You might argue that Roberto Firmino was a bit of a hybrid in Klopp’s teams, but in general he’s never played with a classic ‘creative’ midfield player in the mould of an Odegaard or Foden. I don’t expect Jones to either. We need to recruit good players who will help to execute Jones’s game plan, not very good players who don’t fit that style. |
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Post by se17foxy on Aug 24, 2024 9:40:52 GMT
He can play either wing, down the middle and in the 10 Not doubting your assessment of him, you obviously know more about the player then I do, but I would be interested to know how many competitive games Dixon has played as a creative number 10? I have watched him a fair amount of times, he picks up really good pockets of space drifting off of the left and picking the ball up centrally. He has some of the credentials, especially as a ball carrier but still incredibly raw so I can’t see him being deployed there at all and don’t think he will be tidy enough on the ball for it at this level yet. I imagine he will be used as one of Jones’ ‘Game Changers’ if he is given the opportunity. Allows us to change shape as well. Very interested to see how he gets on |
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