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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 15, 2024 21:49:57 GMT
Just been reading that Cardiff want to send Etete out on loan to a L1 club. Hasn't featured at all for them yet this season.
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Post by herewego on Aug 15, 2024 22:36:02 GMT
I can’t see how Etete would help us Reams, if we can stay relatively fit I think our forwards are a good group. We’re crying out for something different than an engine in the midfield.
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Post by salmonsk on Aug 16, 2024 8:30:11 GMT
I can’t see how Etete would help us Reams, if we can stay relatively fit I think our forwards are a good group. We’re crying out for something different than an engine in the midfield. Etete is out injured for 3 months, so I can't see him coming into Charlton. To be honest there isn't many rumours around but it appears that NJ doesn't like things sneaking out into the public if he can help it. Fully believe he will be bringing in another 2 or 3 of good quality which will finish off a good summer of recruitment. Some people losing their mind but we have only played 2 games, one of those against the best team in the league. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 16, 2024 9:06:35 GMT
I can’t see how Etete would help us Reams, if we can stay relatively fit I think our forwards are a good group. We’re crying out for something different than an engine in the midfield. Etete is out injured for 3 months, so I can't see him coming into Charlton. To be honest there isn't many rumours around but it appears that NJ doesn't like things sneaking out into the public if he can help it. Fully believe he will be bringing in another 2 or 3 of good quality which will finish off a good summer of recruitment. Some people losing their mind but we have only played 2 games, one of those against the best team in the league. Wasn't aware of Etete being injured so we can rule that one out then. Don't think anyone's losing their mind just for having an opinion especially when the majority of fans all agree on what we are lacking. We won't know whether it's been a good summer of recruitment until the window closes. So far I would say we are only 75% where we need to be. Should never be in a position though where we have to move on players before adding further. |
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Post by revilo on Aug 16, 2024 9:06:46 GMT
I can’t see how Etete would help us Reams, if we can stay relatively fit I think our forwards are a good group. We’re crying out for something different than an engine in the midfield. Etete is out injured for 3 months, so I can't see him coming into Charlton. To be honest there isn't many rumours around but it appears that NJ doesn't like things sneaking out into the public if he can help it. Fully believe he will be bringing in another 2 or 3 of good quality which will finish off a good summer of recruitment. Some people losing their mind but we have only played 2 games, one of those against the best team in the league. Thanks for the positivity. Definitely needed being a Charlton fan. Patience is just not in our blood hahaha |
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Post by madz on Aug 16, 2024 9:08:05 GMT
A couple of midfield creative options and I think we're in good shape. Hoping the defence keeps steady (maybe add Potts if we can afford to), be I'm not unhappy with the rest of the team. Just a couple of key additions and I think we can give it a go.
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Post by salmonsk on Aug 16, 2024 9:40:17 GMT
Etete is out injured for 3 months, so I can't see him coming into Charlton. To be honest there isn't many rumours around but it appears that NJ doesn't like things sneaking out into the public if he can help it. Fully believe he will be bringing in another 2 or 3 of good quality which will finish off a good summer of recruitment. Some people losing their mind but we have only played 2 games, one of those against the best team in the league. Wasn't aware of Where being injured so we can rule that one out then. Don't think anyone's losing their mind just for having an opinion especially when the majority of fans all agree on what we are lacking. We won't know whether it's been a good summer of recruitment until the window closes. So far I would say we are only 75% where we need to be. Should never be in a position though where we have to move on players before adding further. I think if we can move on Ness, Fraser and Taylor and replace with better quality additions, ideally perm or full season loans where required, we can then get to January in a good place and then look at what we need from there to keep it going. I agree with some that Taylor hasn't had a proper chance, but then as fans we don't see what he is like day to day in training, attitude etc... NJ has managed lots of players in his time, some high profile so not so much so I for one trust his judgement on that side of things. We have a good squad, a strong squad and we have some youngsters who lets face it will only get better. TC is rusty in areas but he looks a different bloke this season physically. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 16, 2024 11:56:31 GMT
This has been a very interesting discussion. It’s very insightful to read to range of different perspectives. A few additional observations, for what they are worth.
1. There has been much criticism of the so-called 8 x 8 x 8. That’s not surprising and I suspect the SMT now regret sharing the thought process and, in particular, using the descriptor “elite”. That said, I do think this way of describing how the club planned to build the squad has been overinterpreted. The 8 x 8 x 8 is simply of way of allocating the available wage budget, no more and no less. If our player wage budget is, say, £7m p.a. (It’s probably a bit less than that) then at one extreme we could sign 24 players and pay them all the same, while at the other we could pay one player £7m p.a. and the rest nothing. I think we’d all agree that neither approach would be remotely desirable.
Instead, it seems the plan, very roughly, is to pay circa eight players a “top” League One wage, eight players an “average” League One wage and another eight a relatively “low” League One wage. If we wanted fewer players in the bottom eight we’d need to pay those in the top or middle eight less etc. This stylised way of thinking about the squad is designed to address how to spend the available budget, not how much budget is available per se. I would imagine that almost all clubs do something similar, whether explicitly or not.
2. That said, we’ve clearly decided to make a bet that some of our current academy graduates will come good, enabling us to be very competitive this season and even more so next. Nathan Jones must be absolutely complicit in this judgement and to be clear this is not, per se, about saving money. It is about how the available wage budget is being allocated. If we had fewer “cheap” players we’d have less money available to sign more “expensive” ones.
I share the reservations about this apparent reliance on youth, but I’m open minded about how effective it might eventually prove to be. My intuition is that Miles Leaburn will come back fitter, stronger and more flexible than he was before he got injured and I see no reason he won’t stay fit. He could, therefore, make a bit difference. My concern is whether he’ll fit Jones style of play. I’m very surprised to see Tyreece Campbell starting up front, but for thirty minutes on Tuesday night I was very impressed. Anderson is a curate’s egg from my perspective, but Jones clearly rates him. Jones is clearly rolling the dice. Let’s hope he gets lucky.
3. It’s now clear that we need to offload before we can make further signings. That’s not unreasonable, but it does beg the question whether we could have been more proactive earlier in the summer? That may be harsh, but I have a sense we may have been a little indecisive and/or risk averse here. It seems we’d like to offload Lucas Ness. If so, why on earth was he offered a new one year contract? Would it not have been better to clear the decks? Were we ever likely to get much of a fee for him? And what about Nathan Asiimwe? If Jones wants Watson as cover for Ramsey, why is he not already out on a season long loan? I’d be sorry to see Terry Taylor go, but if he’s surplus to requirements why is he still at the club? I don’t believe there aren’t takers. And what about Tayo Edun?
in some ways, I’m more puzzled by the ‘outs’, or the lack of them, than I am by the ‘ins’. We may not rate some of our own players, but they’re good enough to find contracts elsewhere.
While there are clearly areas for concern, I remain positive about the season. As I said elsewhere, I’ll be disappointed if with around ten games to go we aren’t still competing for a playoff of spot, even if we do eventually fall short. I take some comfort from the fact the bookies have us down as genuine contenders for a top six place.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 16, 2024 12:08:50 GMT
This has been a very interesting discussion. It’s very insightful to read to range of different perspectives. A few additional observations, for what they are worth. 1. There has been much criticism of the so-called 8 x 8 x 8. That’s not surprising and I suspect the SMT now regret sharing the thought process and, in particular, using the descriptor “elite”. That said, I do think this way of describing how the club planned to build the squad has been overinterpreted. The 8 x 8 x 8 is simply of way of allocating the available wage budget, no more and no less. If our player wage budget is, say, £7m p.a. (It’s probably a bit less than that) then at one extreme we could sign 24 players and pay them all the same, while at the other we could pay one player £7m p.a. and the rest nothing. I think we’d all agree that neither approach would be remotely desirable. Instead, it seems the plan, very roughly, is to pay circa eight players a “top” League One wage, eight players an “average” League One wage and another eight a relatively “low” League One wage. If we wanted fewer players in the bottom eight we’d need to pay those in the top or middle eight less etc. This stylised way of thinking about the squad is designed to address how to spend the available budget, not how much budget is available per se. I would imagine that almost all clubs do something similar, whether explicitly or not. 2. That said, we’ve clearly decided to make a bet that some of our current academy graduates will come good, enabling us to be very competitive this season and even more so next. Nathan Jones must be absolutely complicit in this judgement and to be clear this is not, per se, about saving money. It is about how the available wage budget is being allocated. If we had fewer “cheap” players we’d have less money available to sign more “expensive” ones. I share the reservations about this apparent reliance on youth, but I’m open minded about how effective it might eventually prove to be. My intuition is that Miles Leaburn will come back fitter, stronger and more flexible than he was before he got injured and I see no reason he won’t stay fit. He could, therefore, make a bit difference. My concern is whether he’ll fit Jones style of play. I’m very surprised to see Tyreece Campbell starting up front, but for thirty minutes on Tuesday night I was very impressed. Anderson is a curate’s egg from my perspective, but Jones clearly rates him. Jones is clearly rolling the dice. Let’s hope he gets lucky. 3. It’s now clear that we need to offload before we can make further signings. That’s not unreasonable, but it does beg the question whether we could have been more proactive earlier in the summer? That may be harsh, but I have a sense we may have been a little indecisive and/or risk averse here. It seems we’d like to offload Lucas Ness. If so, why on earth was he offered a new one year contract? Would it not have been better to clear the decks? Were we ever likely to get much of a fee for him? And what about Nathan Asiimwe? If Jones wants Watson as cover for Ramsey, why is he not already out on a season long loan? I’d be sorry to see Terry Taylor go, but if he’s surplus to requirements why is he still at the club? I don’t believe there aren’t takers. And what about Tayo Edun? in some ways, I’m more puzzled by the ‘outs’, or the lack of them, than I am by the ‘ins’. We may not rate some of our own players, but they’re good enough to find contracts elsewhere. While there are clearly areas for concern, I remain positive about the season. As I said elsewhere, I’ll be disappointed if with around ten games to go we aren’t still competing for a playoff of spot, even if we do eventually fall short. I take some comfort from the fact the bookies have us down as genuine contenders for a top six place. I think the answer to question three may be down to the wages we offered and paid to squad players such as Edwin and Taylor as well as Fraser under the previous regime…..do other clubs want to pay them what we have? Maybe Jones wants to keep all his youngsters including Assimwe and Zac Mitchell under his wing so he can develop these rather than loan them out…..but yes I don’t get why Ness was offered a contract when he was injured and we probably won’t get a fee for him anyway….. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 16, 2024 12:19:00 GMT
Wasn't aware of Where being injured so we can rule that one out then. Don't think anyone's losing their mind just for having an opinion especially when the majority of fans all agree on what we are lacking. We won't know whether it's been a good summer of recruitment until the window closes. So far I would say we are only 75% where we need to be. Should never be in a position though where we have to move on players before adding further. I think if we can move on Ness, Fraser and Taylor and replace with better quality additions, ideally perm or full season loans where required, we can then get to January in a good place and then look at what we need from there to keep it going. I agree with some that Taylor hasn't had a proper chance, but then as fans we don't see what he is like day to day in training, attitude etc... NJ has managed lots of players in his time, some high profile so not so much so I for one trust his judgement on that side of things. We have a good squad, a strong squad and we have some youngsters who lets face it will only get better. TC is rusty in areas but he looks a different bloke this season physically. Totally agree with you but I do have issues with the youngsters being given licence to learn on the job because while they may get better in the long term I feel their inclusion is detrimental to how we are setting up for games. Most kids of their age go out on loan to earn their trade but I have it on good authority that the owners won't do this because they don't want to be seen as blocking their path by bringing players in the side instead of them. Players should only be in our side on merit, if you are good enough then you are old enough and that is 100% the case for Miles Leaburn. However if you are not quite there yet (Kanu and Anderson) or in TC's case being converted to play in a different position, then there progress needs to continue on loan somewhere. You might get away with development of one player within your matchday side, but three is just too many as we are seeing already. That one by the way, I prefer to be Dixon when he gets his WP and a few games in the U21's under his belt, as he has far more potential than anyone we have of the same age group. |
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Post by geronimo on Aug 16, 2024 12:19:52 GMT
Wasn't aware of Where being injured so we can rule that one out then. Don't think anyone's losing their mind just for having an opinion especially when the majority of fans all agree on what we are lacking. We won't know whether it's been a good summer of recruitment until the window closes. So far I would say we are only 75% where we need to be. Should never be in a position though where we have to move on players before adding further. I think if we can move on Ness, Fraser and Taylor and replace with better quality additions, ideally perm or full season loans where required, we can then get to January in a good place and then look at what we need from there to keep it going. I agree with some that Taylor hasn't had a proper chance, but then as fans we don't see what he is like day to day in training, attitude etc... NJ has managed lots of players in his time, some high profile so not so much so I for one trust his judgement on that side of things. We have a good squad, a strong squad and we have some youngsters who lets face it will only get better. TC is rusty in areas but he looks a different bloke this season physically. Taylor is a decent player. Ness is injured and Fraser wants out. |
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Post by herewego on Aug 16, 2024 13:30:33 GMT
Reams any updates on anything? This is starting to get a little worrying. Still need to move players on before we can even look probably missing out on targets in the process.
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 16, 2024 13:51:03 GMT
Taylor to Northampton according to Northampton Twitter account
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Post by willett on Aug 16, 2024 13:57:59 GMT
Taylor to Northampton according to Northampton Twitter account There’s nothing on their official Twitter account about it that I can see? |
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Post by 19addickted96 on Aug 16, 2024 14:00:20 GMT
Think we can cross Mubama off our list now😂
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 16, 2024 14:14:25 GMT
Taylor to Northampton according to Northampton Twitter account There’s nothing on their official Twitter account about it that I can see? Loan? I think BB just means a Northampton fan / 'ITK' twitter account Edit: Assume this: |
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Post by salmonsk on Aug 16, 2024 14:16:46 GMT
Think we can cross Mubama off our list now😂 What's to say he doesn't go straight out on loan to Charlton....  |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 16, 2024 14:23:33 GMT
Think we can cross Mubama off our list now😂 Is he going Man City on a free?. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 16, 2024 14:27:21 GMT
Think we can cross Mubama off our list now😂 Is he going Man City on a free?. Yep…..but City have to pay a 1.5 million fee due to his age…….i think….. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 16, 2024 15:18:15 GMT
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 16, 2024 15:22:29 GMT
only if fee over 1.5 million |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 16, 2024 15:25:57 GMT
only if fee over 1.5 million How would we find out? I supposed newspaper south London press?. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 16, 2024 15:28:02 GMT
Sorry, I might be in the minority but I never really got the Burstow hype…..thought he was lightweight, I am sure he must have improved having spent time at Chelsea…..I don’t think he pulled up many trees at Sunderland…1 goal in 20……...For me Leaburn has far more natural ability and potential to have a really good career in the game….
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Post by 1978sussex on Aug 16, 2024 15:28:06 GMT
May never find out richard cawley reported this week cafc only get sell on fee if it 1.5 plus
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Post by valleydobson1 on Aug 16, 2024 15:31:58 GMT
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Post by willett on Aug 16, 2024 15:37:41 GMT
We might now have some money to spend if we do get any from it, which can only be a good thing.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 16, 2024 15:38:19 GMT
Blades fans will enjoy watching this lad play……..Will be interesting to see how he goes in the Championship……a very rare really good loan player for us in amongst a lot of very average loans |
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 16, 2024 15:38:37 GMT
Reams any updates on anything? This is starting to get a little worrying. Still need to move players on before we can even look probably missing out on targets in the process. Why is it worrying still a few weeks to go .. and Jones said these last signings will be the hardest of the lot as teams are reluctant to release players until they have their squad |
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Post by bexleyboy on Aug 16, 2024 15:39:10 GMT
We might now have some money to spend if we do get any from it, which can only be a good thing. We already got money to spend |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 16, 2024 15:40:13 GMT
We might now have some money to spend if we do get any from it, which can only be a good thing. If that potential incoming money is added to the recruitment budget that is?🤔 |
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