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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 1, 2024 8:26:48 GMT
You all know the main issue I have and what my opinion is on what's missing. I feel we rushed into signing Berry and Docherty because we already had Terry Taylor who we must have written off because of his long absence last season. He has looked better than any other midfielder during pre-season so perhaps we should have bided our time a little and brought in one of Berry or Docherty then held fire for a CAM to become available. Isn’t Berry a goal scoring midfielder? I assumed he was more of a CAM? Yeah he is. He's shown that in the games I've seen. He's often playing just behind the strikers when we have the ball. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 1, 2024 8:32:56 GMT
Some great posts already this morning! All far too sensible for this stage in the transfer window lol.
As Addickteduk says, I saw a stat the other day of the most and least goals scored from set pieces in each league and we were bottom in L1 (5) and Derby (25) were top. That is surely something we can easily get into double figures for this season. Hopefully 15+. That's going to make quite a bit of difference as it can turn games on it's head and momentum can swing and can lead to other goals.
We have plenty or areas to improve on from last year as we were incredibly poor at times.
I'm still optimistic at this stage. If the window was closing tomorrow then I would be far less optimistic mind you!
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 8:33:04 GMT
Too lightweight for me.
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Post by bengland93 on Aug 1, 2024 9:44:15 GMT
Rumours circulating Liverpool looking to overload Joe Gomez. Do we still have a sell on fee in place? Wasn’t it 20%? Whilst we wouldn’t see all of it put into transfers, I’d use some of the money to pay off the likes of Fraser and those who are out of contract next year (minus Aneke). Clearly no one is interested in these players and their likely inflated wage demands.
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2024 9:53:55 GMT
Rumours circulating Liverpool looking to overload Joe Gomez. Do we still have a sell on fee in place? Wasn’t it 20%? Whilst we wouldn’t see all of it put into transfers, I’d use some of the money to pay off the likes of Fraser and those who are out of contract next year (minus Aneke). Clearly no one is interested in these players and their likely inflated wage demands. Has been covered earlier in the thread . I think any windfall will be paid in instalments so will just go towards the running of the club . |
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Post by geronimo on Aug 1, 2024 10:17:53 GMT
95 odd goals in 400 games. 1 in 4 to 1 in 5. Better than a lot of forwards manage. |
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Post by geronimo on Aug 1, 2024 10:18:54 GMT
95 odd goals in 400 games. 1 in 4 to 1 in 5. Better than a lot of forwards manage. Sorry 75. Still not bad. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 10:25:26 GMT
95 odd goals in 400 games. 1 in 4 to 1 in 5. Better than a lot of forwards manage. That's an average of one in four which levels out at 11 goals a season which I just can't see him achieving to be honest, especially when his most recent stats are anything to go by. He scored 24 goals in 158 games for Luton over the last 7 seasons. I'm not knocking the guy, I think he's the type of player NJ trusts but we need somebody younger, more dynamic with a phyical presence to his game who is a real out and out box to box midfielder who has an end product. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2024 10:49:03 GMT
95 odd goals in 400 games. 1 in 4 to 1 in 5. Better than a lot of forwards manage. That's an average of one in four which levels out at 11 goals a season which I just can't see him achieving to be honest, especially when his most recent stats are anything to go by. He scored 24 goals in 158 games for Luton over the last 7 seasons. I'm not knocking the guy, I think he's the type of player NJ trusts but we need somebody younger, more dynamic with a phyical presence to his game who is a real out and out box to box midfielder who has an end product. This 100 per cent. |
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Post by pugrobin on Aug 1, 2024 10:54:54 GMT
Reams any info as regards present position relating to Begovic?
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:06:10 GMT
We threw away points for fun last season, and fitness, game management and just wanting to fight for the ball were evident every single game. May and CBT got us out of trouble often, but CBT was no world-beater previously but then had one (very) good half season in a very poor side, but he still often went missing....Alfie's goals were crucial (I believe 6 were penalties) but as a team we absolutely need to share that burden far more, and the players brought in to date, whilst not being direct replacements, do all have goals in them...Godden, Berry and Doherty are solid signings, but even from the back, notably Small and Edwards will add more goal involvements.... and what of Taylor?! We were also utterly woeful at set pieces - the lowest scorers in the league last year, and shipping many from corners - again, both things we can only improve on. Mannion looks like an upgrade on Isted / AMB, but still need more, and Mitchell will be a great signing IMO. No doubt the lads will all be (much) fitter and hungrier, harder to play against than last season, and with a far superior physio / treatment team and facilities and, importantly, more time together from pre-season, we should generally be in a better place to start than last season. IF we can add that leader to our Defence, another strong GK (not sold on Begovic personally), and find a goalscoring, creative AM (and of course offload the deadwood!), then I don't see many teams looking forward to playing us....and despite NJ saying he doesn't want them, I still expect a couple of Prem loans to come in too. We realistically need to win at least 20 games to even be in the mix....even if we were pessimistic and said we'd lose both games against all the suggested top 5 teams, that still leaves room for manoeuvre if the relentless errors of last season are cut out! We lost so many points to teams we'd all reasonably expect to beat H and A. Plus, we still have the unknown upside of a (God-willing) fitter Chuks and of course Miles to return, and I expect more from our younger lads who were forcibly overused last season due to necessity...eg. Anderson, Kanu and Assimwe - they all had moments of real class last season, and whilst ideally they'd go out on loan, working with NJ and being around more senior pros, and used at NJ's choice as opposed to as needed will only benefit the squad if they don't depart. Whilst there is more reason to be optimistic overall, and still several weeks to improve the squad, making the Valley a fortress, and a mean defence is the first and most important focus...no clean sheets thus far isn't inspiring, but we will be better than last season! Better discipline, a few more goals from incoming talent to a more balanced team, and eradicate the incredible volume of games thrown away by stupid errors, and I think we have every chance of threatening the PlayOff spots....I also think Adhame will turn out to be a great signing. Bookies currently have us in 6th as it stands now...a few more improvements and I think most will be confident that is certainly viable! Post of the month for me……..extremely balanced and echoes all of my thoughts exactly on where we are at present…. Grapevines also excellent post earlier highlights the fact that the final pieces of the recruitment jigsaw are harder to put together and teams are waiting for their targets to get over the line before allowing their now fringe players to leave…..The moving parts have slowed down and probably will not quicken up again until around the end of the window. I like the fact that NJ has specific targets thst he thinks will come in and strengthen the first eleven rather than last seasons scattergun approach to bringing in young loans and just filling up the squad…..NJ’s targets may not all come in as per the keeper situation but I much prefer this type of recruitment strategy… The Begovic situation is interesting as I thought this would have happened by now.…….If it was going to happen…..Same with the Potts situation….You do wonder if there is a bit of hedging of bets to see if they can get better gigs maybe in the championship…. Regarding Begovic I have spoken to three very knowlegable Rangers fans who watch them play every week and they all said he was still a top keeper, a leader at the back, very vocal,a good shot stopper and commands his box, he actually captained Rangers last season…..they were surprised that he might be coming to us because he was on really good wedge at Rangers and they thought the reason why they didn’t offer him new terms was down to money……. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 11:10:06 GMT
I know that whoever the keeper might be NJ wants him between the sticks for at least one half of the friendly game against Portsmouth. I was definitely told last week that Begovic would be in by the middle of the week, train with the lads at the end of it then play a part against Pompey.
We have also spoken to a Championship club about one of their keepers on loan but im not sure if this was before Begovic cropped up or since he was at Sparrows Lane last week.
Unfortunately things have a knack of changing at this time of year. Somebody catches wind that a player is available having received an offer from another club then all of a sudden they jump in and hijack it.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:17:30 GMT
You all know the main issue I have and what my opinion is on what's missing. I feel we rushed into signing Berry and Docherty because we already had Terry Taylor who we must have written off because of his long absence last season. He has looked better than any other midfielder during pre-season so perhaps we should have bided our time a little and brought in one of Berry or Docherty then held fire for a CAM to become available. Taylor certainly has been tidy in the pre season friendlies so it will be interesting to see if he or Coventry gets the nod on Saturday and up at Wigan….. I think we need both personally as it is a long season and they will both have a big part to play I Would imagine the midfield players that we are looking to move on are the obvious Fraser and probably Edun but then that would only leave two reserve midfield players in the squad being Anderson and Taylor/ Coventry so we will deffo bring in a quality midfielder in by the close of the window….. Fraser is keen to go back up north, his family are already up there I think so it is a case of how much of his salary we will pay and how much another club will pay……Probably a case of he who blinks first…..wouldn’t surprise me if this kept rumbling on until deadline day, but I would very much doubt that we will see Fraser in a Charlton shirt again |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:25:56 GMT
Such a promising start to a window but we have really took the foot of the gas. I don’t feel this team is strong enough for top 6 but hope I’m wrong. We are crying out for CAM at the moment I see our performance being very sideways and backwards If you look around the leagues you could say the same for most clubs with regards to taking the foot off the gas regarding recruitment….. The pace will quicken up big style come the end of the month when teams have evaluated who they want to keep and who they want to let go.. NJ will have his targets, no doubts, but getting deals across the line will take more patience until the end of the month…. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 11:38:17 GMT
You all know the main issue I have and what my opinion is on what's missing. I feel we rushed into signing Berry and Docherty because we already had Terry Taylor who we must have written off because of his long absence last season. He has looked better than any other midfielder during pre-season so perhaps we should have bided our time a little and brought in one of Berry or Docherty then held fire for a CAM to become available. Taylor certainly has been tidy in the pre season friendlies so it will be interesting to see if he or Coventry gets the nod on Saturday and up at Wigan….. I think we need both personally as it is a long season and they will both have a big part to play I Would imagine the midfield players that we are looking to move on are the obvious Fraser and probably Edun but then that would only leave two reserve midfield players in the squad being Anderson and Taylor/ Coventry so we will deffo bring in a quality midfielder in by the close of the window….. Fraser is keen to go back up north, his family are already up there I think so it is a case of how much of his salary we will pay and how much another club will pay……Probably a case of he who blinks first…..wouldn’t surprise me if this kept rumbling on until deadline day, but I would very much doubt that we will see Fraser in a Charlton shirt again The resolution to the Fraser problem is we just let him go on a free. The buying club can then save on cost and put whatever they were willing to pay us for him towards his wages. Naive to expect a fee for a want away player who doesn't feature in your plans. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 11:39:29 GMT
Wrexham are awaiting an answer from Tottenham regarding taking Will Lankshear on loan. I would love him at our place. He's a youngster who has had a very good pre-season with their senior squad.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:42:06 GMT
Taylor certainly has been tidy in the pre season friendlies so it will be interesting to see if he or Coventry gets the nod on Saturday and up at Wigan….. I think we need both personally as it is a long season and they will both have a big part to play I Would imagine the midfield players that we are looking to move on are the obvious Fraser and probably Edun but then that would only leave two reserve midfield players in the squad being Anderson and Taylor/ Coventry so we will deffo bring in a quality midfielder in by the close of the window….. Fraser is keen to go back up north, his family are already up there I think so it is a case of how much of his salary we will pay and how much another club will pay……Probably a case of he who blinks first…..wouldn’t surprise me if this kept rumbling on until deadline day, but I would very much doubt that we will see Fraser in a Charlton shirt again The resolution to the Fraser problem is we just let him go on a free. The buying club can then save on cost and put whatever they were willing to pay us for him towards his wages. Naive to expect a fee for a want away player who doesn't feature in your plans. Think the problem here Reams is that Fraser may well not want to take a big pay cut…..and I would very much doubt that Dundee would be willing to pay anything like 6k a week….. |
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Post by geronimo on Aug 1, 2024 11:44:56 GMT
You all know the main issue I have and what my opinion is on what's missing. I feel we rushed into signing Berry and Docherty because we already had Terry Taylor who we must have written off because of his long absence last season. He has looked better than any other midfielder during pre-season so perhaps we should have bided our time a little and brought in one of Berry or Docherty then held fire for a CAM to become available. Taylor certainly has been tidy in the pre season friendlies so it will be interesting to see if he or Coventry gets the nod on Saturday and up at Wigan….. I think we need both personally as it is a long season and they will both have a big part to play I Would imagine the midfield players that we are looking to move on are the obvious Fraser and probably Edun but then that would only leave two reserve midfield players in the squad being Anderson and Taylor/ Coventry so we will deffo bring in a quality midfielder in by the close of the window….. Fraser is keen to go back up north, his family are already up there I think so it is a case of how much of his salary we will pay and how much another club will pay……Probably a case of he who blinks first…..wouldn’t surprise me if this kept rumbling on until deadline day, but I would very much doubt that we will see Fraser in a Charlton shirt again I am not sure why Jones keeps fannying over ex Luton players. Has he been Charltonised and now lives in the past. Anyone who watched Taylor against us for Burton would have seen a really good player. Macgrandles was but had bad luck here. We all wanted Fraser and hextook 2-3 weeks to get injured. He hasn't been the same since. Dobson was a player who rushed into tackles only to often lose the ball or miss pass it. Albie was thought poor but has relatively flourished at Blackpool. I do wonder if our supreme leaders know any more than us? PS what happened to Bergovic |
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Post by dartford36 on Aug 1, 2024 11:52:59 GMT
If Begovic is signed, is he seen to be the number 1 keeper or back up to Mannion?
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:53:24 GMT
Taylor certainly has been tidy in the pre season friendlies so it will be interesting to see if he or Coventry gets the nod on Saturday and up at Wigan….. I think we need both personally as it is a long season and they will both have a big part to play I Would imagine the midfield players that we are looking to move on are the obvious Fraser and probably Edun but then that would only leave two reserve midfield players in the squad being Anderson and Taylor/ Coventry so we will deffo bring in a quality midfielder in by the close of the window….. Fraser is keen to go back up north, his family are already up there I think so it is a case of how much of his salary we will pay and how much another club will pay……Probably a case of he who blinks first…..wouldn’t surprise me if this kept rumbling on until deadline day, but I would very much doubt that we will see Fraser in a Charlton shirt again I am not sure why Jones keeps fannying over ex Luton players. Has he been Charltonised and now lives in the past. Anyone who watched Taylor against us for Burton would have seen a really good player. Macgrandles was but had bad luck here. We all wanted Fraser and hextook 2-3 weeks to get injured. He hasn't been the same since. Dobson was a player who rushed into tackles only to often lose the ball or miss pass it. Albie was thought poor but has relatively flourished at Blackpool. I do wonder if our supreme leaders know any more than us? PS what happened to Bergovic Must admit I had my doubts about Taylor before this preseason but he has certainly shown some quality on the ball…..it’s going to be interesting to see who gets the nod out of him and Coventry on Saturday…. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:54:18 GMT
If Begovic is signed, is he seen to be the number 1 keeper or back up to Mannion? Deffo number one…..fella was captain at QPR and played in all of their 46 league games….. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 1, 2024 11:55:24 GMT
Wrexham are awaiting an answer from Tottenham regarding taking Will Lankshear on loan. I would love him at our place. He's a youngster who has had a very good pre-season with their senior squad. TBH mate I would much rather have Joe Taylor in on loan…… |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 11:57:04 GMT
Me too but I think Huddersfield are looking at him.
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Post by watameires on Aug 1, 2024 12:13:35 GMT
Possibly not the right thread but I find my mind keep going back to a Mundell post. Hope this following overly simplistic summary is fair (but please correct if not) - Success or failure will be more about the collective rather than flashy signings.
For me success or failure this season is more than I can remember hinging on the performance of the manager
I hope I’m wrong but I’m starting to get an uneasy feeling that Jones tenure is not going to be as fruitful than we had all hoped. Might be the cool aid I’m on at the moment but i’m starting to have a feeling this season is going to be just as rough as the last few. If that’s the case and Jones fails I’m really not sure where that will leave us.
May just be coming from a view of being underwhelmed by our summer signings (sans a couple in defence).
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Aug 1, 2024 12:20:03 GMT
Berry scored a goal every 165 minutes in the Premier League last season, which is brilliant for a midfielder. By way of comparison our sainted 'goal machine' Alfie May only managed slightly better (a goal every 151 minutes) against League One defences. I'm expecting 10+ goals from Berry this season and don't get why everyone else has written him off as a scorer before the season has even begun. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 1, 2024 12:20:57 GMT
Rodwell told us the new signings will be a combination of shopping at Waitrose and Aldi (or was it Lidl?)
To fit the 8-8-8 pie in the sky, you need 8 elite players to fill the first band. I take it Waitrose is shut every time we try going there because there is no way on this earth do we have 8 elite footballers at the club.
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Post by reddan12 on Aug 1, 2024 12:30:43 GMT
If you look at Luton last full season under ,Jones, in the championship
The midfielders that played the most was Henri Lansbruty, Allan Campbell and Pelly Ruddock Mpanzu.
Between they got 5 goals and 4 assist.
That midfielder for me is very workman like just like he is trying to build here.
He did have ,Robert Snodgrass,for half of that season that played 11 games and no goals and ,Carlos Mendes, only played 9 games no goals. I would say they are more technical midfielders that where used in certain games to give the midfielder 3 a more technical balance and creativity.
Luke Berry scored 6 goals and 2 assists but only played 13 games that season.
Harry Cornick, got 12 goals in 45 games but ,Adebayo, was top scorer with 17 goals in 42 games.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Aug 1, 2024 12:31:24 GMT
Rodwell told us the new signings will be a combination of shopping at Waitrose and Aldi (or was it Lidl?) To fit the 8-8-8 pie in the sky, you need 8 elite players to fill the first band. I take it Waitrose is shut every time we try going there because there is no way on this earth do we have 8 elite footballers at the club. NJ will be pulling up tree's to get us into the top six at present. I don't think we've done anything to make the rest of the league sit up and take notice. Still time of course,and maybe we've got something up our sleeve,but at present top six looks like our ceiling IMHO. |
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Post by eric on Aug 1, 2024 12:33:24 GMT
Rodwell told us the new signings will be a combination of shopping at Waitrose and Aldi (or was it Lidl?) To fit the 8-8-8 pie in the sky, you need 8 elite players to fill the first band. I take it Waitrose is shut every time we try going there because there is no way on this earth do we have 8 elite footballers at the club. We probably have four at best and one of them is injured so plenty of work to be done . |
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