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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 17, 2024 19:28:03 GMT
ABecause our midfield currently lacks creativity and I don't think there is enough goals amongst them. If you say so I don't think he looks for that in he's midfielders he will be will hope they can attack the space made for them by the strikers and pick up second balls but most importantly control the game. Most of creative will come out wide from the wing backs with the possibility of an overlapping cent back. I still think he will bring in a forward that is capable of play out wide and just behind the front 2. Someone like Harry Cornick or Tom Ince but that depends if he changes system slightly witch he he has done at other clubs but most of the time it will be two 8s. Sorry I am confused….you don’t think NJ looks for his midfielders to score goals?…and then after saying why do we need a an attacking midfielder you seem to have just answered the question above by saying he will bring in a player like Ince or Cornick to play behind the front two when he changes the system like he has done at other clubs…… |
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Post by eric on Jul 17, 2024 19:30:25 GMT
Theres a big difference here between Aneke and Kirk. Kirk was fit and was never getting in the team. IF Aneke is fit then he gets in the team. (It’s a big IF). Not only does he get in the team but he can also have a big impact on the game. If you let him go then you get nothing for the same cost. Keeping him shouldn’t affect the amount of players we have. We aren’t near any squad cap and I don’t imagine anyone at the club is expecting him to get many minutes. He's a bonus only. Not a cheap one! So you can have a squad of available strikers…. plus Aneke when he is available. For cost you’re already paying. The mental side of things you could have a point on. However I expect the people that are there day to day would have a better view of that than us fans on a footy forum. It shouldn’t… but it did last season which is why we ended up with the likes of Kanu getting way more mins that he is ready for. It’s all well and good saying he should be seen as a bonus but there’s no indication of that. A luxury player when we need fit and firing forwards who are mobile and strong to play in NJs forward line. I personally think we should get rid of Aneke and find another forward, younger and fitter. But that obviously costs money. But if we want promotion money needs to be spent. And as many have said on here already I think we are still 3/4 short and that’s 3/4 quality signings. Gk Cb Cam St Totally agree with this post . Aneke needs to go . |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jul 17, 2024 19:33:00 GMT
Would love to see Birmingham fail No chance of that sadly,Tom Brady only seems to deal in victory. Im guessing he didn't take the embarrasment of last season too well and will throw dollar around to buy this league. |
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jul 17, 2024 19:41:13 GMT
Theres a big difference here between Aneke and Kirk. Kirk was fit and was never getting in the team. IF Aneke is fit then he gets in the team. (It’s a big IF). Not only does he get in the team but he can also have a big impact on the game. If you let him go then you get nothing for the same cost. Keeping him shouldn’t affect the amount of players we have. We aren’t near any squad cap and I don’t imagine anyone at the club is expecting him to get many minutes. He's a bonus only. Not a cheap one! So you can have a squad of available strikers…. plus Aneke when he is available. For cost you’re already paying. The mental side of things you could have a point on. However I expect the people that are there day to day would have a better view of that than us fans on a footy forum. It shouldn’t… but it did last season which is why we ended up with the likes of Kanu getting way more mins that he is ready for. It’s all well and good saying he should be seen as a bonus but there’s no indication of that. A luxury player when we need fit and firing forwards who are mobile and strong to play in NJs forward line. I personally think we should get rid of Aneke and find another forward, younger and fitter. But that obviously costs money. But if we want promotion money needs to be spent. And as many have said on here already I think we are still 3/4 short and that’s 3/4 quality signings. Gk Cb Cam St The whole Aneke saga must lead to an absolutely watertight contract that if we try to terminate must lead to a legal battle or something,it's nothing personal with Chuks,he COULD be a real asset but we can't plan with a player who's output is complete guesswork. Rumours seem to have dried up? NJ prepared to play a waiting game for Bradley? |
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Post by reddan12 on Jul 17, 2024 19:49:38 GMT
If you say so I don't think he looks for that in he's midfielders he will be will hope they can attack the space made for them by the strikers and pick up second balls but most importantly control the game. Most of creative will come out wide from the wing backs with the possibility of an overlapping cent back. I still think he will bring in a forward that is capable of play out wide and just behind the front 2. Someone like Harry Cornick or Tom Ince but that depends if he changes system slightly witch he he has done at other clubs but most of the time it will be two 8s. Sorry I am confused….you don’t think NJ looks for his midfielders to score goals?…and then after saying why do we need a an attacking midfielder you have just answered the question above by saying he will bring in a player like Cornick to play behind the front two when he changes the system like he has done at other clubs…… I said what he might do is bring in another forward that is capable of playing anywhere in the front line or behind the front 2 playing in free role. That is different from you because you just want one midfielder that scored goal where Jones wants goals spread the around the team. Him bring in another attacking play that is capable of playing a few position gives us a more flexible ability in game but most of time he will play with two 8s. Cornick is not a number 8 |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 17, 2024 19:53:53 GMT
Sorry I am confused….you don’t think NJ looks for his midfielders to score goals?…and then after saying why do we need a an attacking midfielder you have just answered the question above by saying he will bring in a player like Cornick to play behind the front two when he changes the system like he has done at other clubs…… I said what he might do is bring in another forward that is capable of playing anywhere in the front line or behind the front 2 players in free role. That is different from you because you just want one midfielder that scored goal where Jones wants goals spread the around the team. Him bring in another attacking play that is capable of playing a few position gives us a more flexible ability in game but most of time he will play with two 8s. Cornick is not a number 8 McAtee at Luton can play up front or just behind the front two. Really one we should be looking at. |
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Post by reddan12 on Jul 17, 2024 19:56:53 GMT
I said what he might do is bring in another forward that is capable of playing anywhere in the front line or behind the front 2 players in free role. That is different from you because you just want one midfielder that scored goal where Jones wants goals spread the around the team. Him bring in another attacking play that is capable of playing a few position gives us a more flexible ability in game but most of time he will play with two 8s. Cornick is not a number 8 McAtee at Luton can play up front or just behind the front two. Really one we should be looking at. But he's not natural playing wide which is important for Jones when playing in free role behind the front 2 or to make a front 3. |
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Post by joeblack on Jul 17, 2024 20:33:59 GMT
Exactly! We fast approach the first anniversary of the takeover. This last 12 months plus the seven week stewardship early 2023 has seen most of the 2022 squad depart. We're on roughly similar wage budgets and appear to be improving in every area, except keeper where we are yet to recruit a new 1st choice. Fans often go online to moan about contracts being too long or too short. Fact is that by end January 2025 Jones, Scott and the scouts will have had two windows and a year to deliver a side capable of challenging for the top six. Aneke may or may not make a contribution, but it's the last few signings this summer who will make a difference. Agree with these views from KHA and SR I can’t fathom for the life of me why fans would expect the new owners to piss 350k up the wall paying off a player just to rectify the cock ups made by previous recruitment personnel…..makes no business sense to me…..We have to use Aneke when he is fit enough to be used,…. And very importantly your last statement being the last few signings will make the difference……..Reading all the club forums the general consensus across the board is that NJ has recruited well up to now but we need another 3 quality signings minimum to be able to compete for top 6….a keeper, a CB and a number 10…….We just don’t yet have the strength In depth to be able to do this IMO…… Comes round year after year. You have to pay Aneke X amount of money. For that you can have in in the squad and maybe make 20 appearances and score 9 goals. Or for the same amount of money he goes and scores those goals for a rival. The net saving is 0. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 17, 2024 20:35:35 GMT
Nothing to go on but I think we might still sign Shaun Hutchinson who is still without a club.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 17, 2024 20:39:51 GMT
Nothing to go on but I think we might still sign Shaun Hutchinson who is still without a club. Just the sort of experienced defensive leader at the back that we need…… |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 17, 2024 20:47:38 GMT
We held talks earlier in the window but his wage demands were too high. Think there was a conversation where we said we'll leave the offer on the table in the event that he doesn't get fixed up which so far he hasn't.
Don't think he is in a position to ask for what he was initially given he is currently unemployed. If that doesn't get resolved soon he'll obviously have to lower his expectations.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 17, 2024 21:17:09 GMT
Would love to see Birmingham fail Interestingly, the latest “the real EFL - League One News Show” podcast talked about Birmingham, Shrewsbury, Wigan, Bolton and Cambridge. They reckoned that Birmingham had spent £5m on transfer fees which is nuts for League One, but suggested that their recruitment appeared a bit scattergun with no obvious plan and some puzzling duplication. It’s possible they won’t get the bang for the buck they’re hoping for. They were very positive about Bolton and seemed to believe that Wigan are recruiting well. It’s going to be a very tough division. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Jul 18, 2024 6:01:01 GMT
Birmingham are in a position that any player on longer than a 2 year contract as of December 2023 I think doesn’t count towards their FFP. Must be a help for clubs that come down. Not sure how many seasons they get that for but they have a huge wage bill. They’ve also sold nearly 18k season tickets so that will help with their spend too. It’s theirs to F up
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Post by midlandsaddick on Jul 18, 2024 6:25:12 GMT
Birmingham are in a position that any player on longer than a 2 year contract as of December 2023 I think doesn’t count towards their FFP. Must be a help for clubs that come down. Not sure how many seasons they get that for but they have a huge wage bill. They’ve also sold nearly 18k season tickets so that will help with their spend too. It’s theirs to F up The pressure on them to get promoted is massive, if they don't (which for some reason I don't think they will) it'll be hilarious. Beating them at their place would also be quality. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 18, 2024 6:42:50 GMT
Birmingham are in a position that any player on longer than a 2 year contract as of December 2023 I think doesn’t count towards their FFP. Must be a help for clubs that come down. Not sure how many seasons they get that for but they have a huge wage bill. They’ve also sold nearly 18k season tickets so that will help with their spend too. It’s theirs to F up The pressure on them to get promoted is massive, if they don't (which for some reason I don't think they will) it'll be hilarious. Beating them at their place would also be quality. When they have a purse of 20 mill to spend it will be the biggest failure in history if they don’t win the league |
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Post by herewego on Jul 18, 2024 8:25:22 GMT
If we are looking at Hutchinson then surely he’s moving on a few in defence. We are overloaded in that area. Crying out for a player that can receive the ball and drive us forward otherwise we’re just be so predictable and relying heavily on wingbacks.
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Post by cafcfan32 on Jul 18, 2024 8:35:00 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 18, 2024 8:53:09 GMT
Oh well, it was only a hunch anyway. Overloaded in that area yes but still fell we need a leader back there. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jul 18, 2024 9:29:50 GMT
Oh well, it was only a hunch anyway. Overloaded in that area yes but still fell we need a leader back there. Millwall fans not overly pleased that they taken a “ transfer spot “ on an old player. |
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Post by chertseyaddick on Jul 18, 2024 9:45:56 GMT
Oh well, it was only a hunch anyway. Overloaded in that area yes but still fell we need a leader back there. Early indications are that Alex Mitchell could be that leader. Dont get the Sonny Bradley love, he's as slow as an oil tanker. I think pace at the back is important, allowing us to play a high line which helps the high press. The Jamacian guy might be more suitable. |
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Post by melrose555 on Jul 18, 2024 9:53:00 GMT
Oh well, it was only a hunch anyway. Overloaded in that area yes but still fell we need a leader back there. Millwall fans not overly pleased that they taken a “ transfer spot “ on an old player. Not surprised really. 34 this year. Although I'm sure he may be a good player with the right attributes, we really need to be building with an eye on the future CH's normally come in their prime in their early/mid twenties |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 18, 2024 10:05:07 GMT
Oh well, it was only a hunch anyway. Overloaded in that area yes but still fell we need a leader back there. Overloaded in that area yes but not overloaded with quality…… |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 18, 2024 10:08:54 GMT
That’s a strange one, why did they not just offer him a new contract at the end of the season……? |
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Post by reddan12 on Jul 18, 2024 10:40:09 GMT
The pressure on them to get promoted is massive, if they don't (which for some reason I don't think they will) it'll be hilarious. Beating them at their place would also be quality. When they have a purse of 20 mill to spend it will be the biggest failure in history if they don’t win the league They won't care about winning the league. Just get out of it will be the only thing that matters and they goes for every club. |
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Post by flboy84 on Jul 18, 2024 10:47:29 GMT
That’s a strange one, why did they not just offer him a new contract at the end of the season……? They may have, and he may have just wanted to see what other offers and opportunities were out there. Would've been a solid addition, but not a drastic loss. |
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Post by ExeterAddick on Jul 18, 2024 11:09:48 GMT
Any danger of a rumour...
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Jul 18, 2024 11:37:45 GMT
Got a feeling it will be loans now and that's it.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 18, 2024 11:55:12 GMT
Birmingham are in a position that any player on longer than a 2 year contract as of December 2023 I think doesn’t count towards their FFP. Must be a help for clubs that come down. Not sure how many seasons they get that for but they have a huge wage bill. They’ve also sold nearly 18k season tickets so that will help with their spend too. It’s theirs to F up As a club relegated from the Championship, Birmingham, along with both Huddersfield and Rotherham, operate with a SCMP spending limit of 75% of turnover compared to 60% for other League One clubs. As you say, the SCMP rules give them more room for manoeuvre. However, the key point about the SCMP regime is that in practice it does not control spending on wages and transfers because clubs can fund unlimited losses via injections of equity. In their 22-23 promotion winning season the owners of Ipswich Town provided £29.5m of equity funding to cover a cash outflow of £28.4m which funded an £8m transfer spend and a huge wage bill. We are not going to try to compete with this and at a best guess I’d say the owners are likely to provide a notional line of equity funding if any at all. There has been some talk of a change in the SCMP regime to limit equity funding, but I’m not aware that’s gone anywhere while the best hope of more robust financial controls in League One might ultimately be an introduction of a version of UEFA’s SCCR regime, imposed by the Premier League as a quid pro quo for bigger handouts. In the meantime, we’ll likely have a top 6ish wage bill, but not top two and we’ll be a long way behind the Brummies. As above, we’ll need to hope they spend the money recklessly and there is at least some evidence that’s what’s happening. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 18, 2024 12:54:39 GMT
God forbid you post your own opinion about the Aneke situation on here. Plenty have jumped on my early post. Clearly it would take an outlay of cash, just like they did with Kirk. To those suggesting why should the owners do it… well they have already once. There comes a point where having someone around who is injured and most likely very frustrated is of no benefit to the club. Having someone in his place in the squad who can contribute regularly would benefit us. Which is my main point. I’m aware we have not hit the squad limit, but with Aneke perceived as an option I would suggest this means the club aren’t looking to bring another ST in… I PERSONALLY would rather seem him gone at this stage and get a perm replacement. As for whoever suggested he might be the difference for Barnsley… lol. The guy managed what one goal last season? His availability is only getting worse with age. Ok, it was me that mentioned Barnsley. A few interesting facts for you. Last season Aneke played in 17 games and we won 5, drew 11 and lost 1 - achieving 26 points - 1.53 per game - 70.35 over a season (10th) When Aneke didn't play (29 games) we won 6, drew 9 and lost 14 - achieving 27 points - 0.93 per game - 42.83 over a season (2nd bottom) Obviously Aneke wasn't the only factor but he did score two goals and get two assists. In three of those four games we drew. Arguably he 'won' us three points. You keep talking about bringing in another striker but we can do that and keep Aneke or we can do that and pay Aneke off. It would cost, exactly, the same. Add in that whenever you hear a player talk about Aneke they sound like they love him. When you see videos of him with the other players they all seem warm to him. Thus he is clearly not causing any disharmony in the changing room. We can keep him for the whole season and he doesn't have to kick a ball once and it costs the same as him playing a few minutes, here and there, and turning the odd defeat into a draw or a draw into a win. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jul 18, 2024 13:49:55 GMT
To extend on this, when Aneke breaks down during a season outside of a transfer window. We end up short of options because he is part of the striker group.. as we saw last season causing us to sign free agent wickham. My post has quickly been dismissed by a few saying it makes no sense but it makes complete sense when you want a squad of available strikers through a long season… Aneke is not one of those Your suggestion makes literally no sense financially or by any logical metric. Say you have ten board games and you want to buy another one (which you can afford and have space to store). Do you (a) go down the shop and buy that other game; or (b) pick out one of your existing games that you don't play very often, throw it on the fire THEN go down the shop to buy that other game. Your Aneke suggestion is literally (b) and it makes no sense to anyone else on here because of how ridiculous it is. Even if you're only going to play that other game/Aneke once in a blue moon (on Boxing Day, say) where's the logic in just setting fire to it/binning it? That's before we even get into how popular Aneke is. In his recent YouTube interview, Thierry Small (who we're all hoping will sign an extended contract with Charlton) was asked who his best friend in the squad is, instantly replying: "Big Chuks man. He gives me great advice. I call him my uncle, he calls me his nephew." Getting shot of Aneke becomes even more idiotic when you realise it may damage our chances of hanging onto Small. Give your head a wobble mate. |
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