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Post by Occamâs Razor on Feb 11, 2024 11:32:43 GMT
Peter Varney has got his detractors, but whatever you think of him heâs a proper Charlton man who gets on the buses & Tubes to away games like the rest of us.
PV has made a very valid point this morning - how is the so called 8-8-8 strategy going, and how many of our current squad are capable of cutting the mustard as a higher level ?
Based on yesterdayâs rancid showing, and our overall form and league position, Iâd say we have one contracted âeliteâ player at a push - Alfie May.
He shouldnât be captain & heâs looking mighty worn out in recent games, but thereâs a natural goalscorer in there who could do a job in the Championship, with the right supply from out wide & striker partner.
Of the rest, how many look âeliteâ right now ?
Using âJamesâ Rodwellâs own definition of 8-8-8, with eight Academy lads including AMB in the latter third, Iâd say 8-8-8 is looking a lot more like âŚ.
1-15-8 right now đ¤
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Post by clarky on Feb 11, 2024 13:08:55 GMT
Peter Varney has got his detractors, but whatever you think of him heâs a proper Charlton man who gets on the buses & Tubes to away games like the rest of us. PV has made a very valid point this morning - how is the so called 8-8-8 strategy going, and how many of our current squad are capable of cutting the mustard as a higher level ? Based on yesterdayâs rancid showing, and our overall form and league position, Iâd say we have one contracted âeliteâ player at a push - Alfie May. He shouldnât be captain & heâs looking mighty worn out in recent games, but thereâs a natural goalscorer in there who could do a job in the Championship, with the right supply from out wide & striker partner. Of the rest, how many look âeliteâ right now ? Using âJamesâ Rodwellâs own definition of 8-8-8, with eight Academy lads including AMB in the latter third, Iâd say 8-8-8 is looking a lot more like âŚ. 1-15-8 right now đ¤ Unfortunately, I don't even think Alfie is good enough for the Championship. |
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Post by se7sm on Feb 11, 2024 13:49:02 GMT
This is an easy one and not even joking 0-0-24
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 11, 2024 13:53:50 GMT
This is an easy one and not even joking 0-0-24 Everyoneâs an academy player? |
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Post by se7sm on Feb 11, 2024 13:55:42 GMT
This is an easy one and not even joking 0-0-24 Everyoneâs an academy player? yep play the kids the rest can do one |
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Post by Occamâs Razor on Feb 11, 2024 14:58:59 GMT
Still interested to see if anyone thinks we have an elite, currently contracted player in the squadâŚ.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 11, 2024 15:07:53 GMT
I am not going to name names apart from saying it's not the one you might think, but when I asked one of the SMT recently to name the players he thinks would fall into the elite 8 category that are already at the club, he replied with Jones and Edun11
All I can say is if they think that we are fucked. I'm not sure how you attract eight Elite footballers to a L2 club anyway.
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Post by Occamâs Razor on Feb 11, 2024 15:20:25 GMT
I am not going to name names apart from saying it's not the one you might think, but when I asked one of the SMT recently to name any of the eleite 8 who are already at the club, he replies with Jones and Edun. All I can say is if they think that we are fucked. I'm not sure how you attract eight Elite footballers to a L2 club anyway. Thereâs a video doing the rounds on Twitter of Edunâs highlights at Reading yesterday. Heâs as far off an elite player as imaginable. |
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Post by southnorwoodaddick on Feb 11, 2024 15:46:27 GMT
I am not going to name names apart from saying it's not the one you might think, but when I asked one of the SMT recently to name any of the eleite 8 who are already at the club, he replies with Jones and Edun. All I can say is if they think that we are fucked. I'm not sure how you attract eight Elite footballers to a L2 club anyway. Thereâs a video doing the rounds on Twitter of Edunâs highlights at Reading yesterday. Heâs as far off an elite player as imaginable. Apart from May I can't say anyone, maybe Jones if I'm being very generous. Anyone else that has looked decent in the past (Aneke/Camara) is extremely injury prone. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Feb 11, 2024 15:48:55 GMT
Edun had 3 chances to cross the ball yesterday and all 3 hit the first man. He's not in the elite group. Too light weight in defending. He'd be elite if we needed someone to do keepy uppy.
Jones potentially could be. Aneke would be if fit but we know what that is like.
I assume Miles would class as Academy, but he could be elite next season. He can change a game.
Other than that I don't know. Coventry hasn't started well, but it's hard to judge when we're a team who hasn't won in 13 or so.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Feb 11, 2024 15:59:29 GMT
The thing that irks me is that a lot of these players seem to do okay elsewhere, but when they arrive at CAFC we completely ruin them.
I remember the likes of Edun, Jones, Kirk, McGrandles, Coventry, etc. arriving with glowing recommendations from fans at their former clubs, but then they look like they've hardly kicked a ball.
I wonder if our coaching, professionalism and overall morale at the club is just severely sub-standard.
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Post by earlpurple on Feb 11, 2024 18:04:49 GMT
CBT was but the board didn't recognise that and wanted to renew his contract as an average player so he rejected it.
His agent said Mike Appleton wasn't the problem - I guess that came from CBT. And I guess the problem is in the board room.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 11, 2024 18:39:47 GMT
Thereâs a video doing the rounds on Twitter of Edunâs highlights at Reading yesterday. Heâs as far off an elite player as imaginable. Apart from May I can't say anyone, maybe Jones if I'm being very generous. Anyone else that has looked decent in the past (Aneke/Camara) is extremely injury prone. Sorry but Alfie May is not an elite footballer. CBT put things on a plate for him. Now he has to create his own chances you can see clearly that he is a bang average footballer who I just don't rate at all. An OK finsher but a limited footballer to say the least. |
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Post by discocafc on Feb 11, 2024 20:04:05 GMT
Apart from May I can't say anyone, maybe Jones if I'm being very generous. Anyone else that has looked decent in the past (Aneke/Camara) is extremely injury prone. Sorry but Alfie May is not an elite footballer. CBT put things on a plate for him. Now he has to create his own chances you can see clearly that he is a bang average footballer who I just don't rate at all. An OK finsher but a limited footballer to say the least. May didnât have a CBT at Cheltenham and he was banging goals for them. Look where they are in the league. Think youâre being harsh on May. Heâs been our most natural goalscorer since Taylor. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 11, 2024 20:08:14 GMT
That might be true mate but when he has to play football outside of the box I think he's poor.
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Post by Occamâs Razor on Feb 11, 2024 20:15:52 GMT
That might be true mate but when he has to play football outside of the box I think he's poor. May is a very good poacher - a fox in the box. He was going along just fine until that idiot Appleton pushed him out wide. He would have scored 30 plus this season were it not for good old âApplesâ. Weâve allegedly got 25 pros in our squad, and Iâd say Alfie May is about the best of them. It speaks volumes that nobody can really suggest another credible contender in the current squad as an âeliteâ player. Rodwell has really shot himself in the foot with his 8-8-8 bullshit. |
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Post by westwickhamaddick on Feb 11, 2024 20:54:23 GMT
Sorry but Alfie May is not an elite footballer. CBT put things on a plate for him. Now he has to create his own chances you can see clearly that he is a bang average footballer who I just don't rate at all. An OK finsher but a limited footballer to say the least. May didnât have a CBT at Cheltenham and he was banging goals for them. Look where they are in the league. Think youâre being harsh on May. Heâs been our most natural goalscorer since Taylor. The problem with Alfie is he wants to do everything , he runs his bollocks off . If we had other players playing properly , then Alfie wouldnât have to drop into defence to try and make things happen . |
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Post by southnorwoodaddick on Feb 11, 2024 21:16:50 GMT
Apart from May I can't say anyone, maybe Jones if I'm being very generous. Anyone else that has looked decent in the past (Aneke/Camara) is extremely injury prone. Sorry but Alfie May is not an elite footballer. CBT put things on a plate for him. Now he has to create his own chances you can see clearly that he is a bang average footballer who I just don't rate at all. An OK finsher but a limited footballer to say the least. Elite is a troublesome term, obviously he is not elite in football generally as no one in this division is. If 'elite' is defined as a player that most clubs in the division would like to have then I'd say he is. He won't be playing championship football as a result of his age but it is irrelevant. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 11, 2024 22:15:54 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them.
McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season.
Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides.
I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams.
May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides.
Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs.
Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer.
Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are.
What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job.
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Post by clarky on Feb 11, 2024 22:50:37 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them. McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season. Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides. I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams. May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides. Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs. Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer. Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are. What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job. surely the definition of elite is those that would get into any of the top six L1 teams and maybe be good enough in the Championship. Alfie May might meet the first criteria but I don't think his all round play would be good enough in the league above. On current form I don't think we have another player what would walk into a top six team. |
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Post by mobeer on Feb 12, 2024 12:23:13 GMT
Elite for league one means a regular in an almost promotion winning team, and also good enough to play mid-level in the Championship.
- Alfie May-be
- Dobson but no longer ours
- Leaburn could become elite some day but in the Academy 8 right now
Lot of work needed before the summer.
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Post by roburwash on Feb 12, 2024 12:28:50 GMT
The whole thing is a ludicrous concept when you have incompetent people making the judgement as to who is worthy of being in the 'elite'.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 12, 2024 12:32:11 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them. McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season. Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides. I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams. May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides. Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs. Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer. Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are. What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job. An elite 8 player was described as being one who could comfortably get into a top 6 side with the potential of playing in the Championship. Im struggling for one name that falls into either of those categiries |
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Post by se7sm on Feb 12, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them. McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season. Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides. I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams. May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides. Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs. Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer. Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are. What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job. An elite 8 player was described as being one who could comfortably get into a top 6 side with the potential of playing in the Championship. Im struggling for one name that falls into either of those categiries and their lies the problem. We havenât got any elite players and we are bottom of the league. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 12, 2024 12:49:23 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them. McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season. Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides. I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams. May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides. Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs. Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer. Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are. What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job. An elite 8 player was described as being one who could comfortably get into a top 6 side with the potential of playing in the Championship. Im struggling for one name that falls into either of those categories |
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Post by kings hill addick on Feb 12, 2024 15:39:51 GMT
I thought the definition of elite in the 8-8-8 system was a player that would get into other League One teams. I think we have a few of them. McGrandles was one of the first names on the team sheet at Lincoln, and at Cambridge on loan last season. Gillesphy was the captain at the club that won League One last season. I would imagine that, when fit, he would get a game at most League One sides. I would say the same for Ladapo, Hector, Bakinson and REG - all be it the latter less than the other three, would also get into most of the League One first teams. May would be a cert to play for most League One sides, in my view. I also think that, if fit, Aneke and Leaburn would get a game at most League One sides. Other than that Edun and T. Watson have played regularly for sides that made the playoffs. Elite doesnât mean that they are off to Man City on the summer. Iâm not saying that all of those players above are going to be considered in our eight elite players but, surely, some of them are. What the above does tell us, however, is that our resources have been very badly managed in the last twelve months. Someone at the club must be responsible for that and they need to improve quickly or they will find themselves out of a job. An elite 8 player was described as being one who could comfortably get into a top 6 side with the potential of playing in the Championship. Im struggling for one name that falls into either of those categories Fair enough but we do have a few players that have played for clubs that finished in the top six, and a few that have, already, played in the Championship. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 12, 2024 17:19:57 GMT
An elite 8 player was described as being one who could comfortably get into a top 6 side with the potential of playing in the Championship. Im struggling for one name that falls into either of those categories Fair enough but we do have a few players that have played for clubs that finished in the top six, and a few that have, already, played in the Championship. Very true but now they aren't setting the world alight in a struggling L1 team facing relegation. On the bright side we may have a couple of elite players when in L2. |
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Post by se7sm on Feb 12, 2024 17:28:38 GMT
Fair enough but we do have a few players that have played for clubs that finished in the top six, and a few that have, already, played in the Championship. Very true but now they aren't setting the world alight in a struggling L1 team facing relegation. On the bright side we may have a couple of elite players when in L2. đđ𤌠|
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Post by chertseyaddick on Feb 13, 2024 23:26:41 GMT
I think Thomas May and Aneke (yes I know) are capable of playing in decent Championship sides, possibly Ramsay, even Camara.
Mystery is Dobson. I'd say 100%. A Charlton hero to 99% of fans. His stats must be off the scale when that is the main recruitment algorithm these days. but no higher level sides have come in for him. Baffling!
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Post by Occamâs Razor on Feb 25, 2024 9:21:01 GMT
Based on their improved form in recent weeks, Iâd add Isted & Jones to the second â8â.
Small looks worth keeping for next season.
Anderson is definitely one of the third â8â.
We currently have a nucleus of
Isted
Small
Jones
Dobson
May
Leaburn
Anderson
Kanu
Thatâs 8 players, so still plenty of gaps to be filled.
(I didnât add Coventry, who has made a disappointing start, but will obviously still be with us next season).
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