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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 14, 2024 13:38:42 GMT
Is to give the captains armband to Macauley Gillesphey. Skippered previously and he would be a different voice, one of authority. If Tom Holmes come in I would say he's the one to take over the mantle, we need a leader and a Commander in Chief on the pitch.
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Post by valleysun on Jan 14, 2024 13:58:13 GMT
Is to give the captains armband to Macauley Gillesphey. Skippered previously and he would be a different voice, one of authority. If Tom Holmes come in I would say he's the one to take over the mantle, we need a leader and a Commander in Chief on the pitch. will Tom holmes come in tho ? |
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Post by manikin on Jan 14, 2024 14:12:09 GMT
Is to give the captains armband to Macauley Gillesphey. Skippered previously and he would be a different voice, one of authority. If Tom Holmes come in I would say he's the one to take over the mantle, we need a leader and a Commander in Chief on the pitch. Been saying for a long time we need a voice of authority, never really replaced Pearce. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 14, 2024 14:13:28 GMT
Well there is an offer gone in so we'll have to wait and see. Luton are interested in him and Nelson Abbey and to be fair they have a pretty good success rate with signing L1 defenders who have made the step up with ease. Mads Pedersen from Barnsley a year ago for example and of course Tom Lockyer.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jan 14, 2024 14:26:00 GMT
I really like Dobson and think he deserves our respect for the effort and passion he's put into each performance when so, so many others haven't shown the same commitment. He's an extremely effective defender, a little pitbull who will get into the opposition but isn't really capable of effective link up play or tiki-taka esque progressive football that you saw from the likes of Peteborough yesterday who from the back line, could get the ball in a forward move with a winger in say 2-3 passes.
Whilst Dobbo 100% deserves our respect and a pay jump, I'm not sure he can be considered an elite League One player - the reason I think he's been so effective for us is because of how bad those around him are, he's consistently having to hoover up other people's mistakes. If you're playing 3-5-2 the midfield three would surely be Coventry and Bakinson holding the middle with Fiorini supporting May.
My concern with this new approach is our defence is so piss poor, if Coventry isn't free to play his link-up/playmaker role, how often are we going to see our midfield three breached with a piss-poor defence to clean up? Not sure we have the answers yet and I assume the business we do now and in the summer will answer that question. If we've given Dobson a fair offer and he doesn't want to sign, fair enough - I don't think he should be one of our top three earners based on his ability.
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Post by bigandy99 on Jan 14, 2024 14:45:48 GMT
We need a commanding voice from our GK as well but that’s for another day/thread
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Post by Mundell on Jan 14, 2024 14:59:09 GMT
I really like Dobson and think he deserves our respect for the effort and passion he's put into each performance when so, so many others haven't shown the same commitment. He's an extremely effective defender, a little pitbull who will get into the opposition but isn't really capable of effective link up play or tiki-taka esque progressive football that you saw from the likes of Peteborough yesterday who from the back line, could get the ball in a forward move with a winger in say 2-3 passes. Whilst Dobbo 100% deserves our respect and a pay jump, I'm not sure he can be considered an elite League One player - the reason I think he's been so effective for us is because of how bad those around him are, he's consistently having to hoover up other people's mistakes. If you're playing 3-5-2 the midfield three would surely be Coventry and Bakinson holding the middle with Fiorini supporting May. My concern with this new approach is our defence is so piss poor, if Coventry isn't free to play his link-up/playmaker role, how often are we going to see our midfield three breached with a piss-poor defence to clean up? Not sure we have the answers yet and I assume the business we do now and in the summer will answer that question. If we've given Dobson a fair offer and he doesn't want to sign, fair enough - I don't think he should be one of our top three earners based on his ability. I’m less down on our defence than you are but I think this is a very good summary. |
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Post by paperboy on Jan 14, 2024 15:39:53 GMT
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Post by ardrohanlil on Jan 14, 2024 15:48:17 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 15, 2024 7:55:17 GMT
Dobson will still be here come August not sure he will be first choice ??
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 15, 2024 8:39:27 GMT
Dobson will still be here come August not sure he will be first choice ?? Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 15, 2024 8:46:13 GMT
In my opinion, considering the circumstances, I would prefer Dobbo to remain, as he has been a beacon of light in a turgid couple of seasons. However, I have a sense that he might depart come July.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 15, 2024 8:59:47 GMT
Dobson will still be here come August not sure he will be first choice ?? Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 15, 2024 9:05:09 GMT
Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. So you spoke to his father personally then?🤔🤔🤔 Or was this chit chat on twitter? What is your source? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 10:21:59 GMT
Dobson will still be here come August not sure he will be first choice ?? A club in Hungary wants to sign Dobson *. There is plenty of other interest, including from a Championship club in London. It’s difficult to know who to believe on this , Rich Cawley *, or the editor of Whoppers Weekly. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 15, 2024 11:02:34 GMT
It’s very clear that there are some different opinions about George Dobson and that’s fair enough obviously. Whatever the merits of those different perspectives might be though, it does seem clear that the club have made him an offer he isn’t happy with and my guess (and that’s all it is) is that this take it or leave it proposal reflects his categorisation as a “core player”, not an “elite player” in the 8-8-8 framework. In turn, this would mean that once the squad is complete (hopefully for the beginning of next season) Dobson would not be guaranteed a place in the starting line up and certainly wouldn’t be expected to play an important role if the club made it to the Championship. This would tend to support bexleyboy’s suggestion (reliably sourced or invented) that he is more likely to have been offered an 18-24 month contract and not the 42 month contract which Conor Coventry has signed. This is all based on inference, not any form of confidential information, but it would make sense to me if this is what’s happening. Both club and player are acting rationally. It will be interesting to see if Dobson gets his move. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 15, 2024 11:05:11 GMT
I hope he stays. He's a consistent performer. I think having him fight for a place in the team and driving others to fight for their place will be a geat thing. I imagine he's 100% in training as he is in games. That can only drive others looking to start to the same levels. Win win.
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Post by Mundell on Jan 15, 2024 11:23:27 GMT
I hope he stays. He's a consistent performer. I think having him fight for a place in the team and driving others to fight for their place will be a geat thing. I imagine he's 100% in training as he is in games. That can only driver others looking to start to the same levels. Win win. My only slight reservation about that perspective aaronaldo is that there is a big difference between being a fan favourite and one of the first names on the team sheet and being a fringe player who knows he’s not as gifted as some of his team mates. I’m not sure we can predict how Dobbo might react to that change, if it’s what happens. My sense is that he’s quite sore about his rejection at Sunderland and this may have really motivated him at AFC Wimbledon and then with us. I guess we’ll see how this all works out. |
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 15, 2024 17:38:03 GMT
Could Dobson slot into the middle of a CB 3 in between Jones and Gillesphey , and then we could have a midfield of Coventry Bakinson Fiorini behind a front 2..?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 15, 2024 17:46:02 GMT
Could Dobson slot into the middle of a CB 3 in between Jones and Gillesphey , and then we could have a midfield of Coventry Bakinson Fiorini behind a front 2..? I like your thinking, Martinez does the same at Utd. Smaller than Dobson but a good header of the ball where Dobson isn't at all. |
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Post by leedsaddick on Jan 15, 2024 18:01:16 GMT
Could Dobson slot into the middle of a CB 3 in between Jones and Gillesphey , and then we could have a midfield of Coventry Bakinson Fiorini behind a front 2..? I like your thinking, Martinez does the same at Utd. Smaller than Dobson but a good header of the ball where Dobson isn't at all. If Dobson isn’t that good in the air, do you think that he could play a sweeper role, if those roles still exist in the modern game |
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Post by crapgame on Jan 15, 2024 18:07:24 GMT
Id like him to stay, not just his effort, commitment and hard work, but who knows if he becomes a better player with better players around him? We also know what we can get from him and we can bank on him to always give us a solid performance, which you cant say for many of the others.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 19:51:42 GMT
He said that two weeks ago. We have ten midfielders at the moment and Watson won't get in the side so pointless him staying. Pointless for us, not pointless for Luton. I get the impression we can't sent him back unilaterally and why would they want him back? He's out of contract in the summer and Luton haven't (as far as I'm aware) offered him a new contract, so they clearly want rid. Surely it's better from Luton's perspective that we're paying at least some of his wages for the rest of the season. That said, he came up through West Ham's academy with Coventry and maybe they can build a partnership in our midfield once Dobson inevitable leaves. If it benefits us (and them as players) why not? PS If Dobbo genuinely wanted to stay he wouldn't have run his contract down this far in the first place - people on CL still crying for him to stay be like an old man sobbing over a photo of the wife that divorced them 30 years ago. Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. |
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Post by roburwash on Jan 15, 2024 20:11:31 GMT
The fact that BB doesn't rate him confirms everything I think about George Dobson.
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Post by redplanet on Jan 15, 2024 20:15:09 GMT
Pointless for us, not pointless for Luton. I get the impression we can't sent him back unilaterally and why would they want him back? He's out of contract in the summer and Luton haven't (as far as I'm aware) offered him a new contract, so they clearly want rid. Surely it's better from Luton's perspective that we're paying at least some of his wages for the rest of the season. That said, he came up through West Ham's academy with Coventry and maybe they can build a partnership in our midfield once Dobson inevitable leaves. If it benefits us (and them as players) why not? PS If Dobbo genuinely wanted to stay he wouldn't have run his contract down this far in the first place - people on CL still crying for him to stay be like an old man sobbing over a photo of the wife that divorced them 30 years ago. Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. Well said! Agree with all of that, especially the last sentence. |
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Post by willett on Jan 15, 2024 20:22:09 GMT
Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. Where has his Dad said this? |
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Post by brad on Jan 15, 2024 20:25:21 GMT
Pointless for us, not pointless for Luton. I get the impression we can't sent him back unilaterally and why would they want him back? He's out of contract in the summer and Luton haven't (as far as I'm aware) offered him a new contract, so they clearly want rid. Surely it's better from Luton's perspective that we're paying at least some of his wages for the rest of the season. That said, he came up through West Ham's academy with Coventry and maybe they can build a partnership in our midfield once Dobson inevitable leaves. If it benefits us (and them as players) why not? PS If Dobbo genuinely wanted to stay he wouldn't have run his contract down this far in the first place - people on CL still crying for him to stay be like an old man sobbing over a photo of the wife that divorced them 30 years ago. Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. This is 100% bang on. People have very short memories of what Dobson has done in the pass 2.5 years. The offers he has been made are a insult to the commitment he has given the club. Very poor from the club and Scott |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jan 15, 2024 20:32:58 GMT
Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. |
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Post by brad on Jan 15, 2024 20:36:24 GMT
Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 15, 2024 20:40:47 GMT
Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. This is 100% bang on. People have very short memories of what Dobson has done in the pass 2.5 years. The offers he has been made are an insult to the commitment he has given the club. Very poor from the club and Scott To be fair, we’re all speculating about what Dobson has been offered. All we know is that whatever the offer is he’s turned it down. That’s his prerogative, but the club is under no obligation to respond. Indeed, it would be insanity for the club to pay Dobson, or any other player, more than they think he’s worth. If the club is to become successful and sustainable there is no room for emotional attachment or false loyalty. |
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