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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 15, 2024 20:41:17 GMT
Pointless for us, not pointless for Luton. I get the impression we can't sent him back unilaterally and why would they want him back? He's out of contract in the summer and Luton haven't (as far as I'm aware) offered him a new contract, so they clearly want rid. Surely it's better from Luton's perspective that we're paying at least some of his wages for the rest of the season. That said, he came up through West Ham's academy with Coventry and maybe they can build a partnership in our midfield once Dobson inevitable leaves. If it benefits us (and them as players) why not? PS If Dobbo genuinely wanted to stay he wouldn't have run his contract down this far in the first place - people on CL still crying for him to stay be like an old man sobbing over a photo of the wife that divorced them 30 years ago. Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. For me George is a limited footballer but what he lacks in ability, he makes up for in effort and putting his body on the line. I do want him to stay but I think it would be best for him if the responsibily of being captain is taken off him. It would be a weight off his shoulders. I think where George has struggled a bit this season is having nobody around him to produce what he lacks. He isn't a good runner, he is not technically gifted and rarely gets off the ground in an aerial duel. He's found himself in situations where players around him have gone missing so he is having to do what he isn't so good at which has often highlighted the weaker side to his game. I think he will benefit greatly from having better players around him who share the workload but I can't see the point of Dobson and Coventry playing together, their style of play is too similar with Coventry being the most technical of the two. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 15, 2024 20:41:45 GMT
Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. The fact that we have offered "multiple contracts" suggests he has been right to say no as it it seems we have been trying to pay him less than he deserves from the outset of negotiations. I don't know what the latest offer is compared to say Coventry so perhaps you could enlighten us so we can all see how greedy and unreasonable he is being? |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jan 15, 2024 20:43:36 GMT
What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke Then a second division team in Budapest it is for him, seemingly. Unlike CBT (who it's known we've turned down many bids for) no one else in football seems to rate Dobson as highly as Charlton fans. I think the hero worship towards him is in part an indication of how shit the rest of our squad has been over the last three years. I mean, you'd think Sylvester Stallone was a great actor if the rest of the movie's cast was the Sidcup Amateur Dramatic Society! |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 15, 2024 20:43:41 GMT
What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke He been offered 2 year deal with option of a third but he wants a straight 3 year deal nothing to do with money cause as his dad said he would play for the same money … |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. I know that Reams doesn’t want personals or bickering, but this is the sort of post that pisses people off bexleyboyYou get a lot back for this sort of fibbing, not just on ITTV but on CL and Twitter. Try standing your opinions up by making coherent arguments in logical and well constructed sentences. Stop making things up just to suit the WUM -like positions that you take. Why would “the club not think Dobson is Championship standard” when we currently only have 30 points from 26 games, and sit 13th in League One ? |
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Post by brad on Jan 15, 2024 20:49:35 GMT
This is 100% bang on. People have very short memories of what Dobson has done in the pass 2.5 years. The offers he has been made are an insult to the commitment he has given the club. Very poor from the club and Scott To be fair, we’re all speculating about what Dobson has been offered. All we know is that whatever the offer is he’s turned it down. That’s his prerogative, but the club is under no obligation to respond. Indeed, it would be insanity for the club to pay Dobson, or any other player, more than they think he’s worth. If the club is to become successful and sustainable there is no room for emotional attachment or false loyalty. Put this way he hasn't asked for anything like what the top earners are on just something for and right. It's a small increase what has been offered. Nothing like what he deserves for the 2.5 years commitment to the cause. He gives everything for the shirt. Club captain. POTY. Crazy. Yes we have Conner now but better players and will would look even better remember we need to build a team, all the other midfielders are all loans and could easy not be here next season so start again. We all know what we are going to get for George |
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Post by clarky on Jan 15, 2024 20:50:23 GMT
Nobody has ever accused me of blowing smoke up a player’s arse, but I find this sniping at George Dobson weird. You look back at our recent history, and all of our better teams - the ones the fan’s actually had an affinity with - had their very own midfield battler. Steve Gritt. Keith Jones. Lee Bowyer. Mark Kinsella. Johnnie Jackson. 100 per centers, who regardless of the players around them, gave 100% every week. George Dobson is in that category. I have literally lost count in the last 2.5 years of seeing GD being the only Charlton player to turn up at some grim Northern outpost. I think Dobson could be just the sort of player to thrive with better players around him, and we may finally be starting to sign them. But let’s not throw Dobbo under the bus until we do 🙄 Finally, a club and ownership that can afford to employ Paul Elliott to spout absolute bollocks, can also find the money to give our skipper and POTY a new contract. For me George is a limited footballer but what he lacks in ability, he makes up for in effort and putting his body on the line. I do want him to stay but I think it would be best for him if the responsibily of being captain is taken off him. It would be a weight off his shoulders. I think where George has struggled a bit this season is having nobody around him to produce what he lacks. He isn't a good runner, he is not technically gifted and rarely gets off the ground in an aerial duel. He's found himself in situations where players around him have gone missing so he is having to do what he isn't so good at which has often highlighted the weaker side to his game. I think he will benefit greatly from having better players around him who share the workload but I can't see the point of Dobson and Coventry playing together, their style of play is too similar with Coventry being the most technical of the two. Good post, exactly as I see it. I would add that the new additions means he has to fight for his place rather than be the first name on the team sheet. I also think Coventry will be the better player but if he gets injured or tires towards the end of a game there won't be many teams in L1 that have a better replacement than Dobson. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 15, 2024 20:53:18 GMT
What are you talking about? We've offered Dobson multiple contracts over the past year, each improving upon the last. He's told us to do one each and every time. I say shit him into space. You say offer him more? You're an idiot (no offence). The only good thing about Peterborough's nutjob chairman is that any player who cares so little about playing for Posh that they let their contract run down to its last season is instantly transfer listed and treated as a non-person. We should be doing exactly the same with Dobson as they are with JCH imho. Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke By the same token it's been mentioned to me, (nobody from the club) that Aneke's and Fraser's wages are being used as a yardstick for what Dobson and CBT want. While the owners want both players to stay, they cannot possibly be held to ransom for what Idiot and Son decided to pay players before they took over. Aneke's contract and salary is just plain madness, he failed his medical yet the order passed down was to keep all that hush, hush and pay him ridiculous money. Fraser came with a reputation so he was put on silly money too. You cannot have a pay structure based on what previous owners decided to cough up. What I'm saying is you can't put players on 7k a week contracts because they want what two of their team mates are on, because when those two players leave, which both will sooner or later, you then suddenly become the top earner and then the rest of the squad want the same as you when their contracts are up! |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 15, 2024 20:56:00 GMT
Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke He been offered 2 year deal with option of a third but he wants a straight 3 year deal nothing to do with money cause as his dad said he would play for the same money … Google the words “inflation” and “retail price index” Colin. Why would a footballer in his peak years, who is a current club captain and POTY agree to “play for the same money” when even your local bin man is getting a 5% pay rise this year 🤦♂️🤔 Dobson has got a young family. Step out of your Alice in Wonderland world for a minute - do you not think he has to buy shopping, fill up his car with petrol etc like the rest of us ? |
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Post by brad on Jan 15, 2024 21:01:07 GMT
Only 2 offers ever been given and both a insult. The 2nd was just adding a year to the offer. Complete joke By the same token it's been mentioned to me, (nobody from the club) that Aneke's and Fraser's wages are being used as a yardstick for what Dobson and CBT want. While the owners want both players to stay, they cannot possibly be held to ransom for what Idiot and Son decided to pay players before they took over. Aneke's contract and salary is just plain madness, he failed his medical yet the order passed down was to keep all that hush, hush and pay him ridiculous money. Fraser came with a reputation so he was put on silly money too. You cannot have a pay structure based on what previous owners decided to cough up. What I'm saying is you can't put players on 7k a week contracts because they want what two of their team mates are on, because when those two players leave, which both will sooner or later, you then suddenly become the top earner and then the rest of the squad want the same as you when their contracts are up! He is not asking for that money but does serves to be among the higher earns. Scott don't want them to sign trust me. Ego man that wants it all his way and stab anyone in the back that gets in his way. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 15, 2024 21:28:10 GMT
By the same token it's been mentioned to me, (nobody from the club) that Aneke's and Fraser's wages are being used as a yardstick for what Dobson and CBT want. While the owners want both players to stay, they cannot possibly be held to ransom for what Idiot and Son decided to pay players before they took over. Aneke's contract and salary is just plain madness, he failed his medical yet the order passed down was to keep all that hush, hush and pay him ridiculous money. Fraser came with a reputation so he was put on silly money too. You cannot have a pay structure based on what previous owners decided to cough up. What I'm saying is you can't put players on 7k a week contracts because they want what two of their team mates are on, because when those two players leave, which both will sooner or later, you then suddenly become the top earner and then the rest of the squad want the same as you when their contracts are up! He is not asking for that money but does serves to be among the higher earns. Scott don't want them to sign trust me. Ego man that wants it all his way and stab anyone in the back that gets in his way. My sense from your posts is that you know George Dobson and if that’s right then you deserve respect for standing up for him. I’d add that anyone who has watched us regularly since he signed from Sunderland will recognise that he has always given his all. He appears to be a model professional. If the club, in the form of Andy Scott and/or Michael Appleton, have decided either they don’t want him or they do but view him as being in the middle of their 8-8-8 categorisation, and want to pay him accordingly, then that must be both disappointing and frustrating. Scott and Appleton may even be wrong in their assessment, but they’re paid to make that judgment and I’m sure it’s not personal. The beauty of freedom of contract and the Bosman ruling, of course, is that Dobson is free to move wherever he chooses in the summer. That increases his bargaining power with Scott now, obviously, and it also means he’s free to develop his career in the way that works best for him. Ultimately, Scott will be held accountable for how well he spends the wage budget available to him. If Dobson chooses not to stay can he spend the money he saved from not acceding to Dobson’s demands in a way that enhances the squad? I don’t know the answer to that question. All I do know is that both the club and George Dobson need to do what they believe is in their best interests. Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, what we might think is “fair” doesn’t come into it. |
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Post by brad on Jan 15, 2024 21:52:48 GMT
He is not asking for that money but does serves to be among the higher earns. Scott don't want them to sign trust me. Ego man that wants it all his way and stab anyone in the back that gets in his way. My sense from your posts is that you know George Dobson and if that’s right then you deserve respect for standing up for him. I’d add that anyone who has watched us regularly since he signed from Sunderland will recognise that he has always given his all. He appears to be a model professional. If the club, in the form of Andy Scott and/or Michael Appleton, have decided either they don’t want him or they do but view him as being in the middle of their 8-8-8 categorisation, and want to pay him accordingly, then that must be both disappointing and frustrating. Scott and Appleton may even be wrong in their assessment, but they’re paid to make that judgment and I’m sure it’s not personal. The beauty of freedom of contract and the Bosman ruling, of course, is that Dobson is free to move wherever he chooses in the summer. That increases his bargaining power with Scott now, obviously, and it also means he’s free to develop his career in the way that works best for him. Ultimately, Scott will be held accountable for how well he spends the wage budget available to him. If Dobson chooses not to stay can he spend the money he saved from not acceding to Dobson’s demands in a way that enhances the squad? I don’t know the answer to that question. All I do know is that both the club and George Dobson need to do what they believe is in their best interests. Unfortunately, rightly or wrongly, what we might think is “fair” doesn’t come into it. All fair comments but we need to build a team a team if we have to spend money on another player and wages why wouldn't you keep what you have that you know what you get. 100% every game loves the club and will only be better with the right players in the team. Scott can't sack Appleton because it was his choice and another thing look bad on him. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jan 15, 2024 22:05:18 GMT
What I'm saying is you can't put players on 7k a week contracts because they want what two of their team mates are on, because when those two players leave, which both will sooner or later, you then suddenly become the top earner and then the rest of the squad want the same as you when their contracts are up! Absolutely spot on. It's no real secret that Fraser and Aneke are on £6k-£7k a week each and everyone else is on half that at best. That said, all these rumours about us having even countenanced the prospect of paying JCH £10k a week are perhaps even more destructive. I would like to see Dobson stay tbh, but it's his decision not Charlton's. If he'd like to move to Hungary or Gillingham or wherever for a bigger payday then that's really up to him. Some Charlton fans seemingly love him so much that his departure would ruin the whole transfer window for them. Maybe those fans could have a whip round to cover the gap between what we're offering and his wage demands so he stays? If not, maybe they should just leave it to the club/market to decide what he is or isn't worth, yeah? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 15, 2024 23:02:59 GMT
It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. Where has his Dad said this? From the cousin of a bloke who had a conversation with an another bloke😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 15, 2024 23:12:06 GMT
What I'm saying is you can't put players on 7k a week contracts because they want what two of their team mates are on, because when those two players leave, which both will sooner or later, you then suddenly become the top earner and then the rest of the squad want the same as you when their contracts are up! Absolutely spot on. It's no real secret that Fraser and Aneke are on £6k-£7k a week each and everyone else is on half that at best. That said, all these rumours about us having even countenanced the prospect of paying JCH £10k a week are perhaps even more destructive. I would like to see Dobson stay tbh, but it's his decision not Charlton's. If he'd like to move to Hungary or Gillingham or wherever for a bigger payday then that's really up to him. Some Charlton fans seemingly love him so much that his departure would ruin the whole transfer window for them. Maybe those fans could have a whip round to cover the gap between what we're offering and his wage demands so he stays? If not, maybe they should just leave it to the club/market to decide what he is or isn't worth, yeah? Suggest this is where the new 8-8-8 framework might come in handy. These next few games will reveal whether our midfield improves with the acquisition of elite players. And who plays exactly how many minutes. Hard to tell without a recognised number nine but hopefully one shows up? We'll soon know the full squad for the rest of the season, including departures. Perhaps nobody meets the CBT valuation etc etc. One thing is certain: Dobson will have a better idea of where he fits, as will the SMT / Scott and the rest of the football management. Their interests may coincide on a number and length of deal. Or they might not. As posted elsewhere, the summer sees many many players out of contract. We clearly have a surplus of non elite players. But the Head Coach needs 15 players he can rely upon. Many would agree that Dobson is certainly reliable. |
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Post by smudge7946 on Jan 16, 2024 8:28:20 GMT
Dobson is too beautiful to sell.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 16, 2024 10:06:50 GMT
He said that two weeks ago. We have ten midfielders at the moment and Watson won't get in the side so pointless him staying. Pointless for us, not pointless for Luton. I get the impression we can't sent him back unilaterally and why would they want him back? He's out of contract in the summer and Luton haven't (as far as I'm aware) offered him a new contract, so they clearly want rid. Surely it's better from Luton's perspective that we're paying at least some of his wages for the rest of the season. That said, he came up through West Ham's academy with Coventry and maybe they can build a partnership in our midfield once Dobson inevitable leaves. If it benefits us (and them as players) why not? PS If Dobbo genuinely wanted to stay he wouldn't have run his contract down this far in the first place - people on CL still crying for him to stay be like an old man sobbing over a photo of the wife that divorced them 30 years ago. I agree with your last paragraph. We should remember that Dobson signed a two year deal with us, in 2021, and he never agreed to extend it - we had an option for a third year which we executed. He may well have decided that he was leaving a long time ago but, rather like Joe Aribo, he didn't announce it as he wanted the fans on side. Incidentally, the exact situation exists with Blackett-Taylor. We had an extra year option on his contract which we took up last summer. I think that the club are doing the right thing by offering them 'sensible' offers. Both Everton and Forest have been charged with breaking FFP limits this week. Sky Sports are saying that this is the lowest transfer spend in the Premier League, in January, for years as most clubs are on the limit of the allowable losses. As the Premier League clubs stop signing players the wages in all divisions sill start to fall. If the also-rans don't sign two or three players from the Championship on big transfer fees and massive wages the Championship clubs won't have the money to fuel the recent wage price inflation. The sooner clubs start to tackle the excessive wages the better prepared they are going to be when the new rules come into place in the EFL. Clearly Fraser and Aneke (with their wages) are an albatross around our neck. They don't deliver much (for different reasons) and they use up a disproportionate amount of our budget. However, their wages are going to be too high for anyone else to take them on. We don't need to add two more player contracts, at that level, to our wage bill. I, personally, think that £6k a week will be a high wage in the Championship within a few years. I can understand why players are demanding as much as they can, now, as the Agents must realise that the gravy train is pulling out of the station. |
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Post by massivebeak on Jan 18, 2024 14:19:31 GMT
Your a charlatan, end off. Cease the pretence of possessing exclusive insights into team affairs; individuals might hold greater respect for you if you explicitly state, "in my opinion." It’s come from his dad so pretty decent information , he does not want to leave , he not worried even about money it’s the contact and how it’s set out that the problem … IN MY OPINION don’t think the club want to tie themselves down to a 3/4 year contract because they know he not really championship standard .. that’s why it’s a two year with an option of a third understand he wants a straight 3 year deal .. Do you know his Dad BB? or are you just making another 'in the know' Bullshit statement? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 18, 2024 17:31:29 GMT
I’ve been told by a well known Charlton fan that there are two London Championship clubs with a definite interest in George Dobson in January
To “do a Reams” 😉 one plays in blue & white hoops, the other plays in the arse end of South London, SE8.
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