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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 10, 2024 20:34:45 GMT
The 8 8 8 stuff is just silly. 8 academy players is pretty mental.
Also, I feel like they are over sharing. Why would you share this sort of thing, even if you were aiming for it? It’s just setting yourself up to be cut down.
They are obviously wanting to please us fans, who are demanding answers. But at the same time have you ever seen anything like this from another club? Saying what their plan is etc to this level of detail?
Just because we are demanding answers doesn’t mean we are necessarily right.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 20:35:35 GMT
Thoughts on the programme... 4. This idea if 8 elite players, 8 ordinary players and 8 Academy players is something else. 8 kids is too many, and with our fitness problems, will make us over reliant on them. How many “elite players” have SE7 signed to date 🤔 they have a hell of a lot of work to do on this front. We already have eight Academy lads in the squad, and always have done. At least since relegation in 2009 and a clear out of the excess that Pardew brought in. That's the easy part. And they don't count in SCMP calculation. So the budget spreads across 16 or 17 players and not 25. The new Performance Director starts tomorrow so we will see what impact he has for now and next season. And yes, there's much to do in both 2024 windows so as to ensure we have eight "Elite League One players". On that most fans would agree. EPL loans might provide three? Best that the SMT ensure Scott has the scouts and budgets to deliver. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 20:35:53 GMT
No real surprises there and nothing to change my own glass half full outlook. Confirmation bias rules OK! 😎 For the avoidance of doubt, that latter observation is not just directed at my own reaction!!
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Post by watameires on Jan 10, 2024 20:35:59 GMT
Kanu watching - we’ve been playing without a centre forward 🤣
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Post by Tom1982 on Jan 10, 2024 20:36:57 GMT
The 8 8 8 stuff is just silly. 8 academy players is pretty mental. Also, I feel like they are over sharing. Why would you share this sort of thing, even if you were aiming for it? It’s just setting yourself up to be cut down. They are obviously wanting to please us fans, who are demanding answers. But at the same time have you ever seen anything like this from another club? Saying what their plan is etc to this level of detail? Just because we are demanding answers doesn’t mean we are necessarily right. I got that impression too, but ultimately, win games and these questions all go away! Another PR stunt gone wrong. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 10, 2024 20:37:26 GMT
Realistically we want to see answers on the pitch.
They way our fan base is at the moment, it was never going to go down well tonight. As words aren’t helping for a lot of fans.
I definitely think there were some positives in there. Did anyone get a screenshot of the slides?
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 20:38:10 GMT
I'm more convinced than ever, that we are in a relegation scrap! There was definitely a feeling of “brass band on the Titanic” about James Rodwell. He genuinely doesn’t seem to get the mess we are in, or the level of disillusionment. The only time he showed a flicker of passion was in response to that excellent question about Andy Scott. I zoned out on what Paul Elliott and Carter were saying - two bullshitters. Rodwell I find more worrying. |
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Jan 10, 2024 20:39:31 GMT
Thought it was very insightful
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Post by watameires on Jan 10, 2024 20:40:04 GMT
Realistically we want to see answers on the pitch. They way our fan base is at the moment, it was never going to go down well tonight. As words aren’t helping for a lot of fans. I definitely think there were some positives in there. Did anyone get a screenshot of the slides? Not being funny but what were the positives? |
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Post by newyorkaddick on Jan 10, 2024 20:42:30 GMT
I'm slightly more positive than most it seems after watching that; I think the nature of the football industry virtually requires speaking in platitudes as they are so many uncontrollables in their plans (luck, injuries, other clubs, player decisions etc.).
Having said that if Rodwell had merely said 'the club' instead of the 'the football club' then it would have left enough time for half a dozen more questions.
The 8+8+8 concept is intuitively sensible but unfortunately we currently have 3+10+11.
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Post by se7sm on Jan 10, 2024 20:44:22 GMT
Well not sure that went to plan never heard so much bollocks get them loans in fast or we in deep shit .5year plan we will be playing on blackheath against the local chip shop team
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Post by watameires on Jan 10, 2024 20:46:19 GMT
I hope they improve but can’t see them here longer than two to three years tops
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 10, 2024 20:49:12 GMT
Realistically we want to see answers on the pitch. They way our fan base is at the moment, it was never going to go down well tonight. As words aren’t helping for a lot of fans. I definitely think there were some positives in there. Did anyone get a screenshot of the slides? Not being funny but what were the positives? That we are fishing in the same pond as Liverpool? Steve Brown odds on to be our next manager? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 20:51:10 GMT
Thoughts on the programme... 4. This idea if 8 elite players, 8 ordinary players and 8 Academy players is something else. 8 kids is too many, and with our fitness problems, will make us over reliant on them. How many “elite players” have SE7 signed to date 🤔 they have a hell of a lot of work to do on this front. We already have eight Academy lads in the squad, and always have done. At least since relegation in 2009 and a clear out of the excess that Pardew brought in. That's the easy part. And they don't count in SCMP calculation. So the budget spreads across 16 or 17 players and not 25. The new Performance Director starts tomorrow so we will see what impact he has for now and next season. And yes, there's much to do in both 2024 windows so as to ensure we have eight "Elite League One players". On that most fans would agree. EPL loans might provide three? Best that the SMT ensure Scott has the scouts and budgets to deliver. Working on the basis that you are being serious for once, can you tell us how many of the following are ready/ good enough to be playing for us regularly this season - AMB Assiinwe Anderson Elewere Ness Mbick Leaburn Casey Kanu Campbell Lucas Ness is a good case in point - his form has regressed at an alarming rate, because we have over played him too soon. And did James Rodwell really respond to a question about signings by saying “where will we find a player as good as Karoy Anderson” 🤔 |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 20:51:59 GMT
I'm slightly more positive than most it seems after watching that; I think the nature of the football industry virtually requires speaking in platitudes as they are so many uncontrollables in their plans (luck, injuries, other clubs, player decisions etc.). Having said that if Rodwell had merely said 'the club' instead of the 'the football club' then it would have left enough time for half a dozen more questions. The 8+8+8 concept is intuitively sensible but unfortunately we currently have 3+10+11. Precisely! Scott should be able to loan out three Academy players to League Two or non League. The ask for several weeks now has been to bring in three quality additions so as to make it 6+10+8. Can this be delivered this month? Note that it was confirmed tonight that we are operating comfortably within both SCMP and the takeover monitoring limits. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 20:53:59 GMT
The 8 8 8 stuff is just silly. 8 academy players is pretty mental. Also, I feel like they are over sharing. Why would you share this sort of thing, even if you were aiming for it? It’s just setting yourself up to be cut down. They are obviously wanting to please us fans, who are demanding answers. But at the same time have you ever seen anything like this from another club? Saying what their plan is etc to this level of detail? Just because we are demanding answers doesn’t mean we are necessarily right. They’re damned if they do and damned in they don’t aaronaldo I thought that way of thinking about the structure of the squad was quite interesting, though we shouldn’t take it too literally. I don’t think it gives too much away though, beyond an insight into how the club might be thinking about how to spend its wage budget. Funnily enough, one of my sons and I were discussing something very similar when driving to the Oxford United game. Using the SalarySport.com website as a broad guide we tried to figure out how many of the top fifty or so players in League One it might be possible to sign within an affordable wage budget. In very round numbers, it might make sense to spend, say, circa £4m p.a. on your best eight players, £2m p.a. on the next group and £1m p.a. on the younger group, for a total spend of circa £7m p.a. to cover twenty four players. Compare that with spending the same total equally, i.e. each player is paid £5,600 per week. Which strategy delivers the best outcome? It might not be rocket science, but these are important choices and they should be strategic and not circumstantial or random. |
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Post by crapgame on Jan 10, 2024 20:59:21 GMT
Its 8 academy out of 24 and 1 will be a keeper so its 7 outfield, which is not much different from previous seasons except that this season they've all had chances to play a fair bit rather than go to bromley or southend etc To be honest in a 'normal' season, only Leaburn and T. Campbell would probably get some game time and that wouldnt be a long run neither.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 10, 2024 21:03:54 GMT
Not really sure about their strategy as there was so much waffle going on. Those who found it insightful, fair play. But ultimately, what concerns me the most is now and what is happening on the pitch. Believe me, without some quality match-fit additions, we are truly heading for League 2. So, let’s take a moment to think about that. Deadline day could be too late to add to the squad, especially if it’s to be more loans.
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Post by Mundell on Jan 10, 2024 21:04:28 GMT
I'm slightly more positive than most it seems after watching that; I think the nature of the football industry virtually requires speaking in platitudes as they are so many uncontrollables in their plans (luck, injuries, other clubs, player decisions etc.). Having said that if Rodwell had merely said 'the club' instead of the 'the football club' then it would have left enough time for half a dozen more questions. The 8+8+8 concept is intuitively sensible but unfortunately we currently have 3+10+11. I agree and I’m not sure what more we might realistically expect from an exercise like this. I’d add a) that there are no easy answers, even though we’d all like there to be and b) my guess is that Rodwell and Scott would probably agree with your 3+10+11 assessment. Indeed, it may even be worse than that. I’ve said on a number of occasions, albeit using slightly different language, that our problem isn’t really with Rodwell’s groups two and three it’s that our best players aren’t good enough. That’s what we need to address. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 10, 2024 21:04:34 GMT
Sorry Paul but Wrexham's loan signings and they only have a couple, have a huge impact on the rest of the squad. Ours don't. The most concerning thing for me hearing the feedback is that Scott had previously said the way forward for us was permanent signings and building a squad to compete for promotion next season yet this lot are taking about loans……so what is the actual strategy or are they making it up as they go along Also even more concerning is we only have 2 loan spaces now available and only when we send Watson and Campbell back as we can’t send Camara back Does one part of the SLT team think we are planning one way and the others another way……..unless I read the feedback wrong 🤔🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 10, 2024 21:05:10 GMT
The 8 8 8 stuff is just silly. 8 academy players is pretty mental. Also, I feel like they are over sharing. Why would you share this sort of thing, even if you were aiming for it? It’s just setting yourself up to be cut down. They are obviously wanting to please us fans, who are demanding answers. But at the same time have you ever seen anything like this from another club? Saying what their plan is etc to this level of detail? Just because we are demanding answers doesn’t mean we are necessarily right. They’re damned if they do and damned in they don’t aaronaldo I thought that way of thinking about the structure of the squad was quite interesting, though we shouldn’t take it too literally. I don’t think it gives too much away though, beyond an insight into how the club might be thinking about how to spend its wage budget. Funnily enough, one of my sons and I were discussing something very similar when driving to the Oxford United game. Using the SalarySport.com website as a broad guide we tried to figure out how many of the top fifty or so players in League One it might be possible to sign within an affordable wage budget. In very round numbers, it might make sense to spend, say, circa £4m p.a. on your best eight players, £2m p.a. on the next group and £1m p.a. on the younger group, for a total spend of circa £7m p.a. to cover twenty four players. Compare that with spending the same total equally, i.e. each player is paid £5,600 per week. Which strategy delivers the best outcome? It might not be rocket science, but these are important choices and they should be strategic and not circumstantial or random. Looking at the reaction to the Q&A from our fanbase on both Twitter & the other forum, you really are in the overwhelming minority with regards to your continuing faith in the owners. Some might say that social media fans are not wholly representative, but I’d put the reaction to tonight’s Bullshitathon at around 90% - 10% negative. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 10, 2024 21:06:15 GMT
Staying up is the priority; then, we can discuss 888 or whatever they were banging on about. 666 would have been more appropriate.
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Post by valleyfaithful on Jan 10, 2024 21:06:24 GMT
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the 8 8 8 rule, I don't think in itself it's that much of a problem. Those 8 academy players if under 21 at registration date don't contribute to FFP so if that means the entire budget under FFP can be distributed across 16 senior players then that's not a bad compromise and in an ideal world, would be your starting 11 and some subs with the 8 academy players getting some minutes off the bench or in rotation.
Problem lies in where you sign players with crocked injury histories such as Camara, Aneke, Leaburn, Taylor, Fraser, MacGrandles - all of whom have had months-at-a-time injuries, your equation suddenly goes from 8 8 8 to something like 2 6 16.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 10, 2024 21:09:33 GMT
Its 8 academy out of 24 and 1 will be a keeper so its 7 outfield, which is not much different from previous seasons except that this season they've all had chances to play a fair bit rather than go to bromley or southend etc To be honest in a 'normal' season, only Leaburn and T. Campbell would probably get some game time and that wouldnt be a long run neither. Sure but due to injuries and deliberate choices when Scott first arrived, AMB was first choice for much of 2023. Wollacott was first injured then sold. McGillivray was sold early on. And Isted injured for much of this season. Leaburn now injured but he featured far more after Stockley was sold. Ness, Anderson, Asiimwe and T. Campbell have all had runs in the side at different times, but the management have often looked to older players in their positions. |
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Post by coloradocafc on Jan 10, 2024 21:12:47 GMT
The bottom line is that winning cures all. They have to win, in spite of injuries, previous mismanagement, etc.
I'm willing to be patient for the rest of this season, but they need desperately to stay up. And most importantly they need to be far, far better at the end of the summer.
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Post by surridgecobbler5 on Jan 10, 2024 21:18:33 GMT
Well Paul Elliot has certainly got all the cliches off pat
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Post by clarky on Jan 10, 2024 21:32:43 GMT
Certainly more concerned than I was a couple of hours ago. So despite what Scott said it is loans not permanents, and having 8 academy players in the squad hasn't worked so far so why do they think it will now? Elliott is a waste of space and Rodwell's comments about Anderson shows how clueless he actually is.
Glad some thought it insightful and I think one person even saw some positives but looking across social media the vast majority have been left extremely worried. I think relegation is a distinct possibility particularly if we lose Dobson and CBT.
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Post by watameires on Jan 10, 2024 21:33:09 GMT
Well Paul Elliot has certainly got all the cliches off pat Used to like him as a player but he came across as a real bore |
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Post by petetongthereturn on Jan 10, 2024 21:44:44 GMT
At least Paul Elliott acknowledges that we could be in a relegation battle.
They contradicted themselves about signing players who are ready to go when they have just signed on loan the two midfielders who are not 100% fit.
I agree with them that the club marketing is poor and have paid consultants on how to solve this major problem for the club. Though at the end of the day we win games people will come back.
Someone asked the question that I wanted answered about the real ownership group not at least saying hello to us fans as I think it’s important. Other than Sandgaard’s rock nonsense and making mistakes at least he was friendly.
Oh and if any Greenwich residents try to park outside my house I will tell them to hop it !
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 10, 2024 21:46:43 GMT
Certainly more concerned than I was a couple of hours ago. So despite what Scott said it is loans not permanents, and having 8 academy players in the squad hasn't worked so far so why do they think it will now? Elliott is a waste of space and Rodwell's comments about Anderson shows how clueless he actually is. Glad some thought it insightful and I think one person even saw some positives but looking across social media the vast majority have been left extremely worried. I think relegation is a distinct possibility particularly if we lose Dobson and CBT. I thought he was making the point about loaning teenagers from Premier League clubs that would be better than Anderson. I might have misunderstood. My general impression was that they sounded like they knew where we need to aspire to be but there was no indications to how they think we will get there. The worry for me is that they don’t know how to get there. |
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