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Post by manikin on Apr 2, 2024 17:01:06 GMT
Not sure Methven has had any constructive imput into the club, please correct me if wrong. Can’t understand why Scott didn't go at the same time as Appleton.
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Post by clarky on Apr 2, 2024 17:12:55 GMT
This 👆 The simple question, given that Methven & Scott are employees of the investors, is should either still be at the club next season, based on their track records to date. PS - I sort of respect reamsofverse who had a close relationship with Methven for a while, but has since backed off and called it as it is with him. But I’m not sure why others are so reluctant to call it as it is ? If people think that Methven & Scott do deserve another go at it next season, fair enough, but why ? bexleyboy seriouslyred Methven is not an employee of the investors. He is a minority investor in his own right and he is the person who put together a vision and strategy for the club and sold it to the investors. As result, we now have ambitious owners who have the financial resources to fund the club going forward and, it seems, a determination to see it run professionally. GFP/SE7 is not a shitshow, even if this season has been very disappointing. ESI was a shitshow. Sandgaard was a shitshow. Duchatelet was a shitshow. And Jimenez at al was a shitshow. What we have now is a significant upgrade on each of those regimes. If the investors don't believe the club's SMT isn't up to the job they'll be moved on. I'd leave those decisions to them. We all want better results and we all want to get back into the Championship, but structurally and strategically we're now in a better place than we've been for many years. That's my take on it anyway. Nothing wrong with our owners and they are an upgrade on recent incumbents and credit to Methven for getting them on board but this season and the SMT is a complete and utter shitshow. |
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Post by huddy1978 on Apr 2, 2024 19:11:48 GMT
The way I see it is if Scott can address the fans at the end of the season and hold his hands up and admit he has made mistakes, and then promise Jones has 100% on the last say on everything going forward, then I can't ask for anymore.
I think anything less than playoffs next season is another complete failure.
Personally, I'm feeling positive.
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Apr 2, 2024 21:54:03 GMT
This 👆 The simple question, given that Methven & Scott are employees of the investors, is should either still be at the club next season, based on their track records to date. PS - I sort of respect reamsofverse who had a close relationship with Methven for a while, but has since backed off and called it as it is with him. But I’m not sure why others are so reluctant to call it as it is ? If people think that Methven & Scott do deserve another go at it next season, fair enough, but why ? bexleyboy seriouslyred Methven is not an employee of the investors. He is a minority investor in his own right and he is the person who put together a vision and strategy for the club and sold it to the investors. As result, we now have ambitious owners who have the financial resources to fund the club going forward and, it seems, a determination to see it run professionally. GFP/SE7 is not a shitshow, even if this season has been very disappointing. ESI was a shitshow. Sandgaard was a shitshow. Duchatelet was a shitshow. And Jimenez at al was a shitshow. What we have now is a significant upgrade on each of those regimes. If the investors don't believe the club's SMT is up to the job they'll be moved on. I'd leave those decisions to them. We all want better results and we all want to get back into the Championship, but structurally and strategically we're now in a better place than we've been for many years. That's my take on it anyway. Fair enough. But how can Duchatelet be a shitshow & SE7 not, when Duchatelet owned the club’s assets & financed a promotion to the Championship side ? There’s no logic there. You can have all the structures you want, but if the Technical Director can’t pick his nose, let alone a half decent player, you are in trouble. For all his many faults, Roland Duchatelet never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League One. Statistically, this will be our worst season since 1974. Facts are facts. |
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Post by Mundell on Apr 3, 2024 15:27:53 GMT
Methven is not an employee of the investors. He is a minority investor in his own right and he is the person who put together a vision and strategy for the club and sold it to the investors. As result, we now have ambitious owners who have the financial resources to fund the club going forward and, it seems, a determination to see it run professionally. GFP/SE7 is not a shitshow, even if this season has been very disappointing. ESI was a shitshow. Sandgaard was a shitshow. Duchatelet was a shitshow. And Jimenez at al was a shitshow. What we have now is a significant upgrade on each of those regimes. If the investors don't believe the club's SMT is up to the job they'll be moved on. I'd leave those decisions to them. We all want better results and we all want to get back into the Championship, but structurally and strategically we're now in a better place than we've been for many years. That's my take on it anyway. Fair enough. But how can Duchatelet be a shitshow & SE7 not, when Duchatelet owned the club’s assets & financed a promotion to the Championship side ? There’s no logic there. You can have all the structures you want, but if the Technical Director can’t pick his nose, let alone a half decent player, you are in trouble. For all his many faults, Roland Duchatelet never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League One. Statistically, this will be our worst season since 1974. Facts are facts. In my post above I said, "we now have ambitious owners who have the financial resources to fund the club going forward and, it seems, a determination to see it run professionally" and I compared that situation to our previous ownership regimes. I have said on a number of occasions that in my view we are in much better shape today than we have been for many years. Ergo, this is not a shitshow. You are simply comparing outcomes and they are factual, but they don't tell us who was/is a good or bad owner or, more importantly, whether we can be optimistic about the future. I'm not denying this has been a very disappointing season, but I believe we can be optimistic about the future. There is an irony in your post above by the way. During Duchatelet's period as owner I expressed the view that he was not the devil incarnate, that he was not trying to destroy the club, that he had a plausible strategy but that his problem was mindbogglingly incompetent execution. I wasn't being complimentary, but for the heresy of failing to condemn him absolutely I was accused of being an apologist, amongst other things I've no doubt!! Is history being reinvented? You may recall that several months ago you asked me to explain why I was positive about SE7 and I ranked our recent owners as follows, 1) SE7, 2) Duchatelet, 3) Sandgaard, 4) ESI and gave reasons for that ranking. I don't think you responded. Would you agree with that ranking though? |
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Post by 995632 on Apr 3, 2024 18:24:44 GMT
Methven is not an employee of the investors. He is a minority investor in his own right and he is the person who put together a vision and strategy for the club and sold it to the investors. As result, we now have ambitious owners who have the financial resources to fund the club going forward and, it seems, a determination to see it run professionally. GFP/SE7 is not a shitshow, even if this season has been very disappointing. ESI was a shitshow. Sandgaard was a shitshow. Duchatelet was a shitshow. And Jimenez at al was a shitshow. What we have now is a significant upgrade on each of those regimes. If the investors don't believe the club's SMT is up to the job they'll be moved on. I'd leave those decisions to them. We all want better results and we all want to get back into the Championship, but structurally and strategically we're now in a better place than we've been for many years. That's my take on it anyway. Fair enough. But how can Duchatelet be a shitshow & SE7 not, when Duchatelet owned the club’s assets & financed a promotion to the Championship side ? There’s no logic there. You can have all the structures you want, but if the Technical Director can’t pick his nose, let alone a half decent player, you are in trouble. For all his many faults, Roland Duchatelet never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League One. Statistically, this will be our worst season since 1974. Facts are facts. Roland Rat "never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League 1" but he got us relegated first time, then he gave Bowyer allegedly the lowest budget in the Championship which massively helped get us relegated into L1 again. (Technically his shit show started our second relegation, it was just signed, sealed and delivered by ESI and those other associated incompetent/skint/crooked twonks). If you really want to continue to compare apples to oranges, where were we when The Rat took over and bought us? In the Championship dealing with severe mismanagement from the previous incumbents and lack of financial backing and disintegrating infrastructure. Where were we when Brenner et al came in? In L1 dealing with severe mismanagement from the previous incumbents and even worse lack of financial backing and disintegrating infrastructure. Roland had Mowgli as "DoF". Sandgaard had his son and a black box/bin bag. Roland had a young lawyer as CEO with no experience of football. Sandgaard was CEO with no experience of football in between his guitar lessons. We have been crying out for years for football experience in the club, we finally have it in positions that will make a lasting difference and foundation after the previous years of decline (you can really go all the way back to Scott Parker leaving and Dowie's appointment for our steady sinking into the murky depths of where we are now). We now have proper medical and performance analysis departments to go with our already stellar academy. We have our best manager since Powell/Bowyer who with the correct backing (which they didn't have) could potentially get us towards the levels of a certain Mr Curbishley. Various issues from late purchase, failed appointments and dealing with the rot and sickness from previous lack of investment, multiple managers with mismatched, unbalanced and crocked playing staff has meant we're where we are. If the same scenario happens again next season then go for them by all means. To use the house building analogy, at the moment they're laying the foundations, pouring the concrete and building the walls - we're not water tight, no electrics or plumbing, not even a roof installed so we're nowhere near being habitable or ready to sell on if that's the plan. And PLEASE can people just get over the salmon chinos... |
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Post by Mundell on Apr 3, 2024 19:27:24 GMT
Fair enough. But how can Duchatelet be a shitshow & SE7 not, when Duchatelet owned the club’s assets & financed a promotion to the Championship side ? There’s no logic there. You can have all the structures you want, but if the Technical Director can’t pick his nose, let alone a half decent player, you are in trouble. For all his many faults, Roland Duchatelet never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League One. Statistically, this will be our worst season since 1974. Facts are facts. Roland Rat "never presided over a club that is marooned at 16th in League 1" but he got us relegated first time, then he gave Bowyer allegedly the lowest budget in the Championship which massively helped get us relegated into L1 again. (Technically his shit show started our second relegation, it was just signed, sealed and delivered by ESI and those other associated incompetent/skint/crooked twonks). If you really want to continue to compare apples to oranges, where were we when The Rat took over and bought us? In the Championship dealing with severe mismanagement from the previous incumbents and lack of financial backing and disintegrating infrastructure. Where were we when Brenner et al came in? In L1 dealing with severe mismanagement from the previous incumbents and even worse lack of financial backing and disintegrating infrastructure. Roland had Mowgli as "DoF". Sandgaard had his son and a black box/bin bag. Roland had a young lawyer as CEO with no experience of football. Sandgaard was CEO with no experience of football in between his guitar lessons. We have been crying out for years for football experience in the club, we finally have it in positions that will make a lasting difference and foundation after the previous years of decline (you can really go all the way back to Scott Parker leaving and Dowie's appointment for our steady sinking into the murky depths of where we are now). We now have proper medical and performance analysis departments to go with our already stellar academy. We have our best manager since Powell/Bowyer who with the correct backing (which they didn't have) could potentially get us towards the levels of a certain Mr Curbishley. Various issues from late purchase, failed appointments and dealing with the rot and sickness from previous lack of investment, multiple managers with mismatched, unbalanced and crocked playing staff has meant we're where we are. If the same scenario happens again next season then go for them by all means. To use the house building analogy, at the moment they're laying the foundations, pouring the concrete and building the walls - we're not water tight, no electrics or plumbing, not even a roof installed so we're nowhere near being habitable or ready to sell on if that's the plan. And PLEASE can people just get over the salmon chinos... Excellent post 995632 |
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Post by valley on Apr 14, 2024 8:19:44 GMT
Bonne x 2
Purrington
Hackett-Fairchild
Lavelle
Stockley
All scored against their former club, Charlton Athletic this season #cafc
Most draws and least points.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Apr 14, 2024 8:43:31 GMT
Bonne x 2 Purrington Hackett-Fairchild Lavelle Stockley All scored against their former club, Charlton Athletic this season #cafc Most draws and least points. Wow that really does sum up our season and how poor we have been defensively……The Lavelle goal for Carlisle he had so much space in our box to pick his spot it was embarrassing |
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