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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 12, 2023 16:33:58 GMT
I guess owners of any club approach the January window in one or two ways.. 1- invest and push for promotion if you genuinely feel it can happen 2- bring in one or two players to bolster the squad but start again after the season ends with a view to being strong the following season.. and risk supporters apathy.. Ultimately, it depends on how badly you want success I don't think we can afford to patch up until the summer Andy. As I said last night, January is one of their three windows. They have to buy to help us have a good second half of the season at least and see where that takes us. If we fall short which is the most likely scenario, at least we would have three players who would have had 6 months to bed in and be ready to go again next season. We then build on that from July onwards. Loans next month is not the answer. There needs to be a rebuild and not a conveyor belt of players coming in and then going home six months later. We need sustainability. |
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Post by zenga on Dec 12, 2023 16:52:36 GMT
Appleton doesn't have much to lose by stating this (regardless of what he agreed to when signing):
- if the club doesn't sign 5 high value players in january and he fails, he can say: I warned them, they didn't listen, same old
- if somehow the club sign 5 high value players in january and he fails, he can say that he didnt have enough time
- if somehow the club sign 5 high value players in january and he succeeds, he'll claim he was right all along
The things is that the new owners have a clear path forward (discussed in other topics). Seems that appleton wants to deviate from that plan. Or maybe he says 5 big signings to get 3.
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Post by Mundell on Dec 12, 2023 17:48:07 GMT
I’ve yet to see anyone explain - particularly those still willing to give SE7 Partners a chance - why two of our better players have been allowed to let their contracts run down like this . CBT is being linked with Portsmouth, Hull City & Huddersfield Town today - his agent is busy, even if Andy Scott isn’t. I am certainly one of those willing to give SE7 Partners a chance, in part because in my view it is simply too early to make a definitive judgement, one way or another, and in part because I'm not sure what the realistic alternative is to owners with money and with what appears to be a professional approach to the management of the club. The answer to your question is simply "it's not that simple." My understanding is that both players have been offered contract extensions, but that neither have yet signed. Perhaps they think they can get paid more elsewhere? You might respond to that by saying that we should be willing to pay 'going rate', but if a club in the Championship wants to sign either player then they'll almost certainly offer more money (and perhaps a longer deal) than it makes for us to offer. What then? The sensible thing for the club to do is decide where its red lines are and if either, or both, of the players turn that offer down to then focus on getting the best fee possible or, perhaps, resign itself to losing them in the summer when they'll walk away for free. I think you know this though. |
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Post by bigandy99 on Dec 12, 2023 22:26:09 GMT
I guess owners of any club approach the January window in one or two ways.. 1- invest and push for promotion if you genuinely feel it can happen 2- bring in one or two players to bolster the squad but start again after the season ends with a view to being strong the following season.. and risk supporters apathy.. Ultimately, it depends on how badly you want success I don't think we can afford to patch up until the summer Andy. As I said last night, January is one of their three windows. They have to buy to help us have a good second half of the season at least and see where that takes us. If we fall short which is the most likely scenario, at least we would have three players who would have had 6 months to bed in and be ready to go again next season. We then build on that from July onwards. Loans next month is not the answer. There needs to be a rebuild and not a conveyor belt of players coming in and then going home six months later. We need sustainability. 100% agree, mate.. it has to start on New Years day |
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Post by pardew123 on Dec 12, 2023 23:13:51 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton
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Post by aucklandaddick on Dec 13, 2023 2:14:17 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton Think it was Nombe from Exeter I think Dion Charles went to Bolton at the same time we brought Aneke back from Birmingham for the same fee I think…. What a comparison in terms of recruitment expertise 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 7:29:55 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton Andy Scott is already on record saying that they had to pay Dean Holden off with a higher amount than SE7 partners would have chosen (he insinuated this was Sandgaard’s fault). I don’t see Appleton getting a hefty pay off when the time comes, maybe in January, for exactly that reason. He’s a journeyman lower league coach on a relatively short deal, working for a club that goes through managers in the same way Roland from Grange Hill went through the Tuck Shop. |
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Post by earlpurple on Dec 13, 2023 9:07:01 GMT
I don't know what the planned player source is going to be. Before Brexit we could get them from anywhere in Europe so building a good network across Europe was a good idea (and I don't quite mean a Roland-style one, but more of the kind Charlie Methven described in one of his podcasts).
He said the attraction with Charlton was our academy but it should be a handful of academy players getting drifted into the team, not the majority of the team being academy players.
If we sell our best players in January that shows nothing has changed - we even did that 20 years ago when we were at our peak. In my opinion it is something that should be cut out of football entirely, which also means we can't go poaching the best players from the lower division ourselves in January. Instead we should only sign players off-loaded from higher leagues who are trying to get rid of their "dead wood", those not quite up to standard in those leagues who want to get more games in a lower division. Possibly loans but maybe full signings.
We'd be targetting players for the next transfer window, but we'd need to show progress to show any player who signs for us we have ambition.
It has taken Portsmouth a while to get themselves to a position where they could be genuine challengers and I think part of our aim is to go down that path (rather than that of Ipswich who threw big money at it, but look at where they are now).
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Post by smudge7946 on Dec 13, 2023 9:50:00 GMT
I don't know what the planned player source is going to be. Before Brexit we could get them from anywhere in Europe so building a good network across Europe was a good idea (and I don't quite mean a Roland-style one, but more of the kind Charlie Methven described in one of his podcasts). He said the attraction with Charlton was our academy but it should be a handful of academy players getting drifted into the team, not the majority of the team being academy players. If we sell our best players in January that shows nothing has changed - we even did that 20 years ago when we were at our peak. In my opinion it is something that should be cut out of football entirely, which also means we can't go poaching the best players from the lower division ourselves in January. Instead we should only sign players off-loaded from higher leagues who are trying to get rid of their "dead wood", those not quite up to standard in those leagues who want to get more games in a lower division. Possibly loans but maybe full signings. We'd be targetting players for the next transfer window, but we'd need to show progress to show any player who signs for us we have ambition. It has taken Portsmouth a while to get themselves to a position where they could be genuine challengers and I think part of our aim is to go down that path (rather than that of Ipswich who threw big money at it, but look at where they are now). Post brexit, both Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane are enjoying football careers within the EU. January will be an interesting window, but I worry that it won't be enough to get us into the Championship. Our priority is to break the 18 month manager cycle and escape division three forever! |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 10:03:22 GMT
I don't know what the planned player source is going to be. Before Brexit we could get them from anywhere in Europe so building a good network across Europe was a good idea (and I don't quite mean a Roland-style one, but more of the kind Charlie Methven described in one of his podcasts). He said the attraction with Charlton was our academy but it should be a handful of academy players getting drifted into the team, not the majority of the team being academy players. If we sell our best players in January that shows nothing has changed - we even did that 20 years ago when we were at our peak. In my opinion it is something that should be cut out of football entirely, which also means we can't go poaching the best players from the lower division ourselves in January. Instead we should only sign players off-loaded from higher leagues who are trying to get rid of their "dead wood", those not quite up to standard in those leagues who want to get more games in a lower division. Possibly loans but maybe full signings. We'd be targetting players for the next transfer window, but we'd need to show progress to show any player who signs for us we have ambition. It has taken Portsmouth a while to get themselves to a position where they could be genuine challengers and I think part of our aim is to go down that path (rather than that of Ipswich who threw big money at it, but look at where they are now). Interesting point about us selling our best players 20 years ago. The big difference then was that there was plenty of fat on the Charlton bone. Selling Scott Parker was do-able because we had international midfielders like Smertin, Kishishev & Claus Jensen in the wings. Sell George Dobson in January - and I’m not suggesting that as a player he’s in the same parish as the four players mentioned above - and what comes in to replace him ? |
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Post by clarky on Dec 13, 2023 11:17:56 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton Think it was Nombe from Exeter I think Dion Charles went to Bolton at the same time we brought Aneke back from Birmingham for the same fee I think…. What a comparison in terms of recruitment expertise 😂😂😂😂😂 It was Nombe, allegedly the bid was circa £500k, and when it was put to Methven that £750k might get him he replied we could get better for that amount......we ended up with Tedic on loan. |
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Post by discocafc on Dec 13, 2023 11:38:45 GMT
Think it was Nombe from Exeter I think Dion Charles went to Bolton at the same time we brought Aneke back from Birmingham for the same fee I think…. What a comparison in terms of recruitment expertise 😂😂😂😂😂 It was Nombe, allegedly the bid was circa £500k, and when it was put to Methven that £750k might get him he replied we could get better for that amount......we ended up with Tedic on loan. Tbf he hasn’t got a good record at Rotherham. 2 goals in 15 |
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Post by clarky on Dec 13, 2023 12:31:28 GMT
It was Nombe, allegedly the bid was circa £500k, and when it was put to Methven that £750k might get him he replied we could get better for that amount......we ended up with Tedic on loan. Tbf he hasn’t got a good record at Rotherham. 2 goals in 15 I agree, although I'm sure his goal to game ratio would be better in L1. The point remains we ended up with a player on loan who hasn't been good enough to rack up 15 appearances in a league below. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 13, 2023 12:36:58 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton I'd suggest that for SE7 Partners to maintain control throughout 2024 with associated improvements that they: - sure some real talent in January - let others go out on loan - set clear objectives for Appleton in light of the new look squad - look to replace if Appleton cannot deliver at some point early, mid or late 2024 Let us be clear that for our club to return to the Championship in 2025 or 2026 they need to build on what we have today, replace approximately four players next month, and improve the coaching, sports science, individual players etc. A typical fan will often look to bringing players in from outside. But the heavy lifting needs to be done at Sparrows Lane. In short we need to look better in Feb-March 2024 than we did last Feb/March. XG and points per game is certainly one way to measure. However, retaining an outside chance of the top six is the ask. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 14:02:47 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton I'd suggest that for SE7 Partners to maintain control throughout 2024 with associated improvements that they: - sure some real talent in January - let others go out on loan - set clear objectives for Appleton in light of the new look squad - look to replace if Appleton cannot deliver at some point early, mid or late 2024 Let us be clear that for our club to return to the Championship in 2025 or 2026 they need to build on what we have today, replace approximately four players next month, and improve the coaching, sports science, individual players etc. A typical fan will often look to bringing players in from outside. But the heavy lifting needs to be done at Sparrows Lane. In short we need to look better in Feb-March 2024 than we did last Feb/March. XG and points per game is certainly one way to measure. However, retaining an outside chance of the top six is the ask. Points per game & Xg are about as relevant as an ashtray on a motorbike, but I think you know that. All that matters is the league table and results - and both show us in poor shape. Recent performances against Cray Wanderers FFS, Gillingham & Cambridge have been alarmingly bad, and right down there with anything that we have witnessed since the Premier league. Equally, talking about staying patient for success until 2025 or 2026 should be met with the loud raspberry that it deserves. Not only will SE7 Partners and their front men be long gone by then, so will most of our fanbase if we are still in League One. You will find very few people willing to stump up £30 per game indefinitely to watch this team continue to stagnate. Recent home attendances tell you as much. The one light at the end of the tunnel is that we are fast approaching the moment of truth for SE7 Partners. In January, they have to reveal their hand, one way or another. Short term bluffers, or serious long term custodians of the club ? |
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Post by kings hill addick on Dec 13, 2023 14:14:08 GMT
I don't know what the planned player source is going to be. Before Brexit we could get them from anywhere in Europe so building a good network across Europe was a good idea (and I don't quite mean a Roland-style one, but more of the kind Charlie Methven described in one of his podcasts). He said the attraction with Charlton was our academy but it should be a handful of academy players getting drifted into the team, not the majority of the team being academy players. If we sell our best players in January that shows nothing has changed - we even did that 20 years ago when we were at our peak. In my opinion it is something that should be cut out of football entirely, which also means we can't go poaching the best players from the lower division ourselves in January. Instead we should only sign players off-loaded from higher leagues who are trying to get rid of their "dead wood", those not quite up to standard in those leagues who want to get more games in a lower division. Possibly loans but maybe full signings. We'd be targetting players for the next transfer window, but we'd need to show progress to show any player who signs for us we have ambition. It has taken Portsmouth a while to get themselves to a position where they could be genuine challengers and I think part of our aim is to go down that path (rather than that of Ipswich who threw big money at it, but look at where they are now). I know this wasn't the point you were making but players like Blackett-Taylor and Dobson are going to have be sold in January or they will leave for nothing. If the January window was stopped those players would have to be sold in the summer before, or they leave for free. It doesn't change the dynamic just brings the decision forward. |
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Post by Mundell on Dec 13, 2023 14:32:55 GMT
I'd suggest that for SE7 Partners to maintain control throughout 2024 with associated improvements that they: - sure some real talent in January - let others go out on loan - set clear objectives for Appleton in light of the new look squad - look to replace if Appleton cannot deliver at some point early, mid or late 2024 Let us be clear that for our club to return to the Championship in 2025 or 2026 they need to build on what we have today, replace approximately four players next month, and improve the coaching, sports science, individual players etc. A typical fan will often look to bringing players in from outside. But the heavy lifting needs to be done at Sparrows Lane. In short we need to look better in Feb-March 2024 than we did last Feb/March. XG and points per game is certainly one way to measure. However, retaining an outside chance of the top six is the ask. The one light at the end of the tunnel is that we are fast approaching the moment of truth for SE7 Partners. In January, they have to reveal their hand, one way or another. Short term bluffers, or serious long term custodians of the club ? I’m my view they are much more likely to turn out to serious long-term custodians than short-term bluffers, which is why they simply won’t understand why, after just five months of ownership, they are fast approaching the moment of truth. They’ve barely finished taking stock. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 14:45:07 GMT
The one light at the end of the tunnel is that we are fast approaching the moment of truth for SE7 Partners. In January, they have to reveal their hand, one way or another. Short term bluffers, or serious long term custodians of the club ? I’m my view they are much more likely to turn out to serious long-term custodians than short-term bluffers, which is why they simply won’t understand why, after just five months of ownership, they are fast approaching the moment of truth. They’ve barely finished taking stock. It would be interesting to understand what you are basing that assumption on , given that they have invested almost nothing in the playing squad, or made any obvious attempt to secure the assets. How are you judging them ? Public pronouncements? Appointing a D o F ? It doesn’t take 12 months to “take stock”. Scott, Rodwell and Warrick first entered the building in December 2022. Scott himself admitted only last week that the January 2023 duds were on him. My prediction - SE7 Partners will turn out to be every bit as bad, if not worse, than Duchatelet, ESI, and Sandgaard. |
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Post by valley on Dec 13, 2023 15:35:18 GMT
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Post by ashaddick on Dec 13, 2023 15:56:01 GMT
I read “ weak kneed badgers “ ……I think I prefer it actually
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Post by clarky on Dec 13, 2023 16:55:30 GMT
What SE7 Partners have done which previous incumbents failed to do is install a professional, much needed, backroom team. However, since doing so improvements on and off the pitch haven't really taken off.
On the pitch, the January signings by Scott were a disaster, and our best signings since then, May and Jones were before his appointment. Since that appointment none of the players he brought in are good enough for a promotion chasing starting 11 place. Add to that players who are good enough, Dobson and CBT look to be off with interest also in Leaburn, all of which won't be particularly cheap to replace. Alongside this our long term injury situations continues to be as bad as it was before.
Off the pitch, complaints continue to be made about overly long queues when buying refreshments with inefficient staff serving overly priced goods. Even the Christmas jumper, whilst the idea was good, looked cheap and at a price of around circa £45 had to be reduced by £20 after about a week.
We are crying out to increase revenue but crowds are dwindling with many season ticket holders not bothering to attend and this is because the overall matchday experience on and off the field has not improved.
Whilst January is not a crucial window it is imperative we replace any current failures with players that will improve the team and lay the foundations to build towards the following window which will be critical if we are to succeed next season as once again this season looks to be over before the New Year.
I still believe it is too early to judge the new ownership and new manager but whilst I admit I remain unconvinced like everybody else I desperately want them to succeed, but the clock is definitely ticking and the patience of the fanbase is very low due to past failures and the constant mess we find ourselves in season upon season.
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Post by Mundell on Dec 13, 2023 17:24:08 GMT
I’m my view they are much more likely to turn out to serious long-term custodians than short-term bluffers, which is why they simply won’t understand why, after just five months of ownership, they are fast approaching the moment of truth. They’ve barely finished taking stock. It would be interesting to understand what you are basing that assumption on , given that they have invested almost nothing in the playing squad, or made any obvious attempt to secure the assets. How are you judging them ? Public pronouncements? Appointing a D o F ? It doesn’t take 12 months to “take stock”. Scott, Rodwell and Warrick first entered the building in December 2022. Scott himself admitted only last week that the January 2023 duds were on him. My prediction - SE7 Partners will turn out to be every bit as bad, if not worse, than Duchatelet, ESI, and Sandgaard. I guess it’s all about opinions Occam’s Razor and mine are based on public pronouncements, actions, any relevant data and what might be inferred from this evidence about motivations, strategy and the chances of eventual success. I’m very conscious when thinking about all of this that outcomes can be a lot more random than we typically assume. In other words, money spent and good (or bad) decisions made don’t necessarily lead to good (or bad) outcomes. When drawing conclusions we need to be wary of outcome bias. Anyway, for what little it’s worth, here is my ranking of our recent owners, along with high level reasoning, listed from worst to best (or least worst), 4. ESI. ESI were complete charlatans and no hopers from the start. They conned the club’s fans, but even more importantly Southall and Nimer conned each other. The venture collapsed as soon as Southall and Nimer realised that the other emperor had no clothes. Under current EFL rules ESI’s takeover would not have been approved in the first place because Nimer was unable to prove source and sufficiency of funds. Southall didn’t have the money to buy a round at the annual office party. 3. Thomas Sandgaard. Sandgaard was for real, was relatively wealthy (though most of it was illiquid and tied up in a fairly low quality business) and he spent significant sums of money, consistently funding a top six (or better) wage bill. However, his narcissistic personality meant that his management of the club was dysfunctional and chaotic. He had no interest in listening to advice or in appointing serious executives or in delegating. He is the only owner in the club’s history that I actively wanted to fail though perhaps that says as much about me as it does about him. 2. Roland Duchatelet. Duchatelet was a nutcase and at times delusional. However, he was much wealthier than Sandgaard and the high quality assets he owned (Melexis being his main business) threw off lots of cash he probably didn’t know what to do with. He invested heavily in Charlton, though typically eccentrically he was much more comfortable making infrastructure investments than he was in funding wage bill. He had a coherent long-term vision for a sustainable Football Club, which ought to have been aligned with the mission of the Supporters Trust, and some of his ideas (in the use of data for recruitment and his multi-club ownership model, for example) have since become commonplace. However, his execution of strategy was mind bogglingly cack-handed. Contrary to the popular narrative, he was willing to delegate (witness the Bowyer/Gallen promotion season, for example, which he funded and then left them to it), but he refused to appoint experienced experts to key roles. He never appointed a DOF, for example, even though this ought to have been essential in a multi-club model, while his appointment of a twenty nine year old, junior lawyer with no relevant experience or qualifications to the position of CEO of an organisation hostile to outsiders and resistant to change was a poster child for his bizzare and eccentric management and, ultimately, his completely ineffective ownership. 1. SE7. SE7’s core investors have, at least when combined, comparable or greater liquid net worth than Duchatelet and while they may well be more reluctant to spend money than he was, they’ve already spent £10-12m buying the club, are funding a top four wage bill and, most likely, operating losses of around £5m or so. We know they’ve breached the EFL’s SCMP spending rules and have contributed equity to cover that breach. SE7’s investors are serious business people who do not suffer from Duchatelet’s eccentricity or Sandgaard’s narcissism. They are not chancers and they will expect to see a clear strategic plan and professional management. I have posted about that strategic plan elsewhere, but in essence it’s based on a belief that Charlton Athletic is a “cheap” sports franchise in a growing industry with the potential to increase in value with skill based professional management. They will fund losses as necessary, but will not simply buy success. Promotion to the Championship is essential (the club will not increase in value in League One and will continue to lose money) and once there they believe (because Methven has told them) that revised FFP rules will transform the landscape, promising both sustainability and competitiveness in a way that was simply impossible under Duchatelet. There is a thread on this “new deal” for English football and it’s implications. What we’ve seen so far is the appointment of a team of experienced professionals to key senior management roles. I’d expect these individuals to be replaced if they don’t perform. There can be no certainty in any of this, but in my view (again for what it’s worth) this ranking is very clear. Indeed, I think that SE7 may well prove to be the most competent owners in the club’s history. That’s no guarantee of success, of course, the competition is very tough since many clubs, even at our level, now have much more professional management than was typical 10, 15 or 20 years ago. Again, this is just my perspective. I might well be wrong, but I really hope I’m not because I don’t know where we go next if SE7 don’t deliver the success we’re all hoping for. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 13, 2023 17:34:32 GMT
Building for next season is fine, but surely it’s sensible to start by securing your better players on new contracts ? There’s no point in signing two more Carlos Kickaball squad fillers in January, if George Dobson and CBT are allowed to walk away for free. I’ve yet to see anyone explain - particularly those still willing to give SE7 Partners a chance - why two of our better players have been allowed to let their contracts run down like this . CBT is being linked with Portsmouth, Hull City & Huddersfield Town today - his agent is busy, even if Andy Scott isn’t. While some will gaslight about Xg and points per games etc, others are more focused on our measly 10th place league position, our recent sub 6,000 home attendance, and asking WTF is the plan here ? The minimum requirement for Scott & Rodwell in January must be to secure Dobson to a new contract, and to sign a Championship standard right back, centre half to partner Jones, a winger if CBT leaves, and a proper partner for May, who’s name is not Tedic. As we are told that the owners want to build for the medium term, these new signings must be permanent players on deals, players here for the long term who the fans can build a rapport with. We don’t need any more low grade kids / crocks / loans. They might be two of our better players but we need an upgarde on them both to get out of the division. Dobson is overrated, goes far too deep and can't compete in the air. He plays too far apart from Fraser who is often isolated as a result. CBT is too inconsistent. He'll be a miss but there are better players out there. The only players that would get in a promotion winning side are Jones, Fraser, May and Leaburn. Asiimwe is an asset so I would keep him too but beyond that little lot I'm afraid there isn't very much at all. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 13, 2023 17:39:36 GMT
Apples is a smart man he knows he can’t lose really if he gets sacked gets a pay off I bet the owners have put clauses in though and learnt from Holden we need to see a intent from Se7 May was a good 1 we missed out on a player in summer because they didn’t want to pay a extra 500k cant remember the player. Was it Dion Charles before he went Bolton Andy Scott is already on record saying that they had to pay Dean Holden off with a higher amount than SE7 partners would have chosen (he insinuated this was Sandgaard’s fault). I don’t see Appleton getting a hefty pay off when the time comes, maybe in January, for exactly that reason. He’s a journeyman lower league coach on a relatively short deal, working for a club that goes through managers in the same way Roland from Grange Hill went through the Tuck Shop. I'm not having that at all. I know Mark Hughes very well and socialise with a few mutual friends. Whemn Mark was sacked by Bradford he was given an initial compensation payment with the rest to follow in instalments. That is not unusual in football so I do not believe for a minute that Holden was paid off in one hit. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 17:41:20 GMT
Building for next season is fine, but surely it’s sensible to start by securing your better players on new contracts ? There’s no point in signing two more Carlos Kickaball squad fillers in January, if George Dobson and CBT are allowed to walk away for free. I’ve yet to see anyone explain - particularly those still willing to give SE7 Partners a chance - why two of our better players have been allowed to let their contracts run down like this . CBT is being linked with Portsmouth, Hull City & Huddersfield Town today - his agent is busy, even if Andy Scott isn’t. While some will gaslight about Xg and points per games etc, others are more focused on our measly 10th place league position, our recent sub 6,000 home attendance, and asking WTF is the plan here ? The minimum requirement for Scott & Rodwell in January must be to secure Dobson to a new contract, and to sign a Championship standard right back, centre half to partner Jones, a winger if CBT leaves, and a proper partner for May, who’s name is not Tedic. As we are told that the owners want to build for the medium term, these new signings must be permanent players on deals, players here for the long term who the fans can build a rapport with. We don’t need any more low grade kids / crocks / loans. They might be two of our better players but we need an upgarde on them to get out of the division. Dobson is overrated, goes far too deep and can't compete in the air. Far too apart from Fraser who is often idolated as a result. CBT is too inconsistent. He'll be a miss but there are better players out there. The only players that would get in a promotion winning side are Jones, Fraser, May and Leaburn. Asiimwe is an asset so I would keep him too but beyond that little lot I'm afraid there isn't very much at all. It’s all about opinions, but I can’t agree with you on Fraser. He’s an absolutely hopeless, lightweight individual with a footballing heart the size of a pea. If he played for Millwall, he would have been run out of town ages ago. I’d say our 4 Championship squad standard players are Jones, Dobson, Leaburn & May. MundellThanks for the reply. It’s a little optimistic to place SE7 Partners ahead of nasty Roland Duchatelet (copywrite Charlton Life) when the latter funded a team full of players who turned out to be Championship, Premier league and even Champions league standard, and who got us promoted. Most of Andy Scott’s signings would get benched in a Dog & Duck XI. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Dec 13, 2023 17:44:22 GMT
Andy Scott is already on record saying that they had to pay Dean Holden off with a higher amount than SE7 partners would have chosen (he insinuated this was Sandgaard’s fault). I don’t see Appleton getting a hefty pay off when the time comes, maybe in January, for exactly that reason. He’s a journeyman lower league coach on a relatively short deal, working for a club that goes through managers in the same way Roland from Grange Hill went through the Tuck Shop. I'm not having that at all. I know Mark Hughes very well and socialise with a few mutual friends. Whemn Mark was sacked by Bradford he was given an initial compensation payment with the rest to follow in instalments. That is not unusual in football so I do not believe for a minute that Holden was paid off in one hit. I can’t remember which interview it was in , but Andy Scott basically admitted that Dean Holden had been given a bigger contract than was wise, and it had cost them to get rid of him. Mark Hughes is past his sell by date, but he’s managed Man City, Blackburn, QPR, as well as a poor international team of course. |
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Post by valley on Dec 13, 2023 17:51:05 GMT
Words are cheap time too deliver we are 11th for a reason could be further back by January 2nd.
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 13, 2023 17:52:20 GMT
I'm not having that at all. I know Mark Hughes very well and socialise with a few mutual friends. Whemn Mark was sacked by Bradford he was given an initial compensation payment with the rest to follow in instalments. That is not unusual in football so I do not believe for a minute that Holden was paid off in one hit. I can’t remember which interview it was in , but Andy Scott basically admitted that Dean Holden had been given a bigger contract than was wise, and it had cost them to get rid of him. Mark Hughes is past his sell by date, but he’s managed Man City, Blackburn, QPR, as well as a poor international team of course. All sacked managers come at a cost but any compensation due won't have been paid up in full at the point of Holden's departure. Not a chance. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Dec 13, 2023 19:28:01 GMT
I can’t remember which interview it was in , but Andy Scott basically admitted that Dean Holden had been given a bigger contract than was wise, and it had cost them to get rid of him. Mark Hughes is past his sell by date, but he’s managed Man City, Blackburn, QPR, as well as a poor international team of course. All sacked managers come at a cost but any compensation due won't have been paid up in full at the point of Holden's departure. Not a chance. I'd add a few thoughts to that: - whatever the compensation (notice period) it's buttons in the bigger picture of losses plus transfer fees required to return us to the top 30 in this country - amazing how some are so squeamish / love to hug the "victim"! Bottom line is that Holden changed approach over the summer and secured 3 points from our opening five games - perhaps we should get used to a head coach replacement every 12 months rather than love in with the guy that picks the team? If a coach fails to deliver to the top six budget then no thanks! 😉 These arguments that the manager / head coach needs longer / better players etc is simply a recipe for buying / failing to buy success, rather than asking all ar Sparrows Lane to put in the hard graft to climb a few places every season. If we finish mid-table again then we're nowhere. Se7, Scott and Appleton need to ensure that we're in a good place as we approach the summer. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Dec 13, 2023 19:56:18 GMT
All sacked managers come at a cost but any compensation due won't have been paid up in full at the point of Holden's departure. Not a chance. I'd add a few thoughts to that: - whatever the compensation (notice period) it's buttons in the bigger picture of losses plus transfer fees required to return us to the top 30 in this country - amazing how some are so squeamish / love to hug the "victim"! Bottom line is that Holden changed approach over the summer and secured 3 points from our opening five games - perhaps we should get used to a head coach replacement every 12 months rather than love in with the guy that picks the team? If a coach fails to deliver to the top six budget then no thanks! 😉 These arguments that the manager / head coach needs longer / better players etc is simply a recipe for buying / failing to buy success, rather than asking all ar Sparrows Lane to put in the hard graft to climb a few places every season. If we finish mid-table again then we're nowhere. Se7, Scott and Appleton need to ensure that we're in a good place as we approach the summer. I agree with that but I think the wage bill can be a bit of a red herring when large wages are being paid to players that just do not contribute. I’m thinking of Aneke and Kirk, mostly, but we have others that are using up the budget for no contribution. |
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