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Post by surridgecobbler5 on Nov 27, 2023 15:23:20 GMT
Neither getting game time , clearly not fancied by Appleton. I would have liked to see Tedic played up front in a central role particularly a s Leaburn looks off form in the last few games.
Maybe they will be sent back in the Window
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Post by manikin on Nov 27, 2023 16:56:59 GMT
Neither getting game time , clearly not fancied by Appleton. I would have liked to see Tedic played up front in a central role particularly a s Leaburn looks off form in the last few games. Maybe they will be sent back in the Window If possible would make sense, free up some cash and a couple of positions. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 27, 2023 20:13:26 GMT
Neither getting game time , clearly not fancied by Appleton. I would have liked to see Tedic played up front in a central role particularly a s Leaburn looks off form in the last few games. Maybe they will be sent back in the Window We saw Tedic play in his favoured role and didn’t impress against Cray at home who are 7th tier Was no doubt one of those including Kirk that MA was definitely not impressed with at all and is only on the bench as we have no other options….. quite telling he didn’t get on Saturday when Miles was struggling up top… I think he will return to his parent club The one that I think did ok on that day was Chem Campbell but he seems to have been frozen out as well and will no doubt go back… but I think he has a bit about him personally |
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Post by bexleyboy on Nov 27, 2023 20:13:32 GMT
Both should start tomorrow … don’t think Leaburn or T Campbell warrant a start
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 27, 2023 20:18:23 GMT
Both should start tomorrow … don’t think Leaburn or T Campbell warrant a start There is no way Tedic should start in front of Miles, nothing he has done has warranted a start and is clearly not rated by MA after the Cray home cup tie. I think at present MA is falling into the trap of trying to play his best eleven players by playing May on the right instead of where he should be playing which is number 10 Tomorrows midfield will be Dobson, Watson( who should not have been left out on Saturday) and May playing in the 10 role |
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Post by manikin on Nov 27, 2023 20:42:36 GMT
Both should start tomorrow … don’t think Leaburn or T Campbell warrant a start There is no way Tedic should start in front of Miles, nothing he has done has warranted a start and is clearly not rated by MA after the Cray home cup tie. I think at present MA is falling into the trap of trying to play his best eleven players by playing May on the right instead of where he should be playing which is number 10 Tomorrows midfield will be Dobson, Watson( who should not have been left out on Saturday) and May playing in the 10 role May should aways play 10 and only 10, whatever the month. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 27, 2023 20:46:03 GMT
I have already covered this in the rumours thread mate. The majority of the loans will go back in January if we can successfully negotiate their return.
Pointles them staying, they won't get game time and clubs want their players involved.
All depends id the parent clubs tie us down to the original terms of it being a season long loan. If that is the case then we can offload them but I'm not sure where we would stand with the EFL. Would contributing to a loan player's wages for the entire season despite sending them back half way through it be deemed as having still used our maximum loan allocation?
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 27, 2023 20:48:54 GMT
Both should start tomorrow … don’t think Leaburn or T Campbell warrant a start Ridiculous post. If they haven't warranted a start what have Tedic and Campbell done. Terrible footballers. They won't play and rightly so. |
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Post by bigandy99 on Nov 27, 2023 22:45:25 GMT
TEDIC is simply not very good at football
CAMPBELL should be doing better after some early promise
Both have had some chances…
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Post by madz on Nov 28, 2023 8:59:57 GMT
I have already covered this in the rumours thread mate. The majority of the loans will go back in January if we can successfully negotiate their return. Pointles them staying, they won't get game time and clubs want their players involved. All depends id the parent clubs tie us down to the original terms of it being a season long loan. If that is the case then we can offload them but I'm not sure where we would stand with the EFL. Would contributing to a loan player's wages for the entire season despite sending them back half way through it be deemed as having still used our maximum loan allocation? If we have to still pay their wages even if they go back we may as well keep both. I'm really surprised we haven't seen more of either of these tbh, Campbell especially as he looked good early on. Tedic would probably suit a 442 more but that doesn't seem to be any of Charltons current or previous managers style. But if they are not showing it on the training ground or making an impact when they come on then they shouldn't start over anyone else. I mean look at how Louie Watson comes on. Even when dropped when called upon he is up for it. Others should follow suit and i really hope we can keep Watson, but we need to play him more (isn't his loan only until January with view to extension?) |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 28, 2023 14:04:44 GMT
I have already covered this in the rumours thread mate. The majority of the loans will go back in January if we can successfully negotiate their return. Pointles them staying, they won't get game time and clubs want their players involved. All depends id the parent clubs tie us down to the original terms of it being a season long loan. If that is the case then we can offload them but I'm not sure where we would stand with the EFL. Would contributing to a loan player's wages for the entire season despite sending them back half way through it be deemed as having still used our maximum loan allocation? If we have to still pay their wages even if they go back we may as well keep both. I'm really surprised we haven't seen more of either of these tbh, Campbell especially as he looked good early on. Tedic would probably suit a 442 more but that doesn't seem to be any of Charltons current or previous managers style. But if they are not showing it on the training ground or making an impact when they come on then they shouldn't start over anyone else. I mean look at how Louie Watson comes on. Even when dropped when called upon he is up for it. Others should follow suit and i really hope we can keep Watson, but we need to play him more (isn't his loan only until January with view to extension?) My understanding is that a standard full season loan agreement has a termination clause that must be activated before 15th January... by either side. Eg Conor Gallagher back in Jan 2020. Their might be a termination fee but no commitment to full season wages. We need to maximise the value of our top six budget, and ensure that as much as possible is available for the 15 players used most of the time. |
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Post by revilo on Nov 29, 2023 9:06:02 GMT
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Post by joeblack on Nov 29, 2023 10:13:41 GMT
Not too keen on that interview with Appleton. A couple of untried youngsters to temporarily replace Leaburn and Chuks might be okay as a short term answer, but over the last decade, we have done this a few times when the injuries pile up, and it never works out well for the club or the young player. Youth players should be bought in gradually, not slung in at the deep end. I'll ne happy to eat my words if Mbick or Casey do well (or even a recalled Kanu) but having watches bottom club Cheltenham stifle our playesr last night, I'm not sure I'd fancy an ever younger starting XI !!
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 29, 2023 10:35:04 GMT
Not too keen on that interview with Appleton. A couple of untried youngsters to temporarily replace Leaburn and Chuks might be okay as a short term answer, but over the last decade, we have done this a few times when the injuries pile up, and it never works out well for the club or the young player. Youth players should be bought in gradually, not slung in at the deep end. I'll ne happy to eat my words if Mbick or Casey do well (or even a recalled Kanu) but having watches bottom club Cheltenham stifle our playesr last night, I'm not sure I'd fancy an ever younger starting XI !! I think it's telling. I don't think the SMT see this squad as realistically challenging this year. Too much damage in the past which wasn't fixable in the small summer window we had. |
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Post by revilo on Nov 29, 2023 10:43:22 GMT
Are we saying that we won't give it a go in the transfer window?
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Post by manikin on Nov 29, 2023 11:10:06 GMT
Are we saying that we won't give it a go in the transfer window? Maybe wrong, but never thought there would be any serious movement in January, never a good time. Shame, because as usual at this time of year we become more buggered with every match. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 29, 2023 11:47:43 GMT
Are we saying that we won't give it a go in the transfer window? Maybe wrong, but never thought there would be any serious movement in January, never a good time. Shame, because as usual at this time of year we become more buggered with every match. Yeah my thoughts are along those lines as well. We will give it a go, but January isn't the time to get much movement in. We may be able to get some better loans in (can't be that difficult surely). This could tip us in favour of a play-off spot. However, I don't see us progressing through the play-offs. We're too inconcistent. We could win the first leg 3-0 and still go out. Also, if by some miracle we got promoted this year. Who believes we'd stay up next year? Usually you need a strong squad to build on. I don't think we have a strong squad for this division, let alone the championship. We need another major Window at least. A successful one at that. |
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Post by manikin on Nov 29, 2023 12:27:39 GMT
Maybe wrong, but never thought there would be any serious movement in January, never a good time. Shame, because as usual at this time of year we become more buggered with every match. Yeah my thoughts are along those lines as well. We will give it a go, but January isn't the time to get much movement in. We may be able to get some better loans in (can't be that difficult surely). This could tip us in favour of a play-off spot. However, I don't see us progressing through the play-offs. We're too inconcistent. We could win the first leg 3-0 and still go out. Also, if by some miracle we got promoted this year. Who believes we've stay up next year? Usually you need a strong squad to build on. I don't think we have a strong squad for this division, let alone the championship. We need another major Window at least. A successful one at that. As you say it would take a miracle to gain promotion this season and if we did the squad would need rebuilding from top to bottom, retaining only three or four players at most plus the youngsters. Having said that, assuming we stay in this league the same will apply, we will need a complete rebuild. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 29, 2023 13:26:29 GMT
Yeah my thoughts are along those lines as well. We will give it a go, but January isn't the time to get much movement in. We may be able to get some better loans in (can't be that difficult surely). This could tip us in favour of a play-off spot. However, I don't see us progressing through the play-offs. We're too inconcistent. We could win the first leg 3-0 and still go out. Also, if by some miracle we got promoted this year. Who believes we've stay up next year? Usually you need a strong squad to build on. I don't think we have a strong squad for this division, let alone the championship. We need another major Window at least. A successful one at that. As you say it would take a miracle to gain promotion this season and if we did the squad would need rebuilding from top to bottom, retaining only three or four players at most plus the youngsters. Having said that, assuming we stay in this league the same will apply, we will need a complete rebuild. I think it will be, at least, two summer transfer windows after the SMCP removes equity investments from turnover. Until then there will, most likely, be two or three teams, in the division, that will outspend us on transfers and wages. In the latest podcast, with Charlie Methven, he mentioned that the investment in Charlton (the purchase) is being done on the basis that they will look to sell for a profit. The more they invest the less likely that seems. This suggests that there is going to be little, or no, investment in the squad to bring us close to the big spenders in League One, so there will always be clubs that should (unless badly run) finish above us. This makes the playoffs (and the gamble of 1 in 4) the best outcome possible. Methven mentioned, several times, in a sarcastic tone, that fans are asking for the club to be made bankrupt. In effect, he was saying that the fans that want investment are dim and are, therefore, calling for the club to go bust. It made him sound, every bit, the chap we saw on the Netflix show. I have less confidence, than ever, that we are going to be able to compete, even in the third division, for a long time. I suspect, with little more than guesswork, that the purchase price took into account the value of the players in the first team and the academy, and the likelihood that selling them can cover any shortfalls and, sooner or later, a club of our size should win promotion based on the fact that many League One clubs are so small, by comparison. I think this is why we are persevering with academy players and those they the club were desperate to sell in the summer, rather than play the loan players. I am, now, very concerned that the plan is to sell players, to cover operating costs, and break even until the Gods of Football determine that it is our time to go up. That doesn't sound too different from Sandgaard's plan - save for the fact that we have a recognised SMT now. I am also hearing rumours of discontent within the non-playing staff at the club. This is, often, not a good sign. I am all for the club being run properly and the correct staff employed (and as a result, those that are not suitable being let go) but with Methven's shot across the bow at the fans that are asking for investment, it is starting to feel more and more like Sandgaard's reign. I am fed up with people that think they are so much cleverer than everyone else that they can be successful despite not investing, properly. I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in League One in 2030. Five years for those that own the club, now, to realise that Methven isn't going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and another year, or two, to find new owners. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 29, 2023 16:50:05 GMT
As you say it would take a miracle to gain promotion this season and if we did the squad would need rebuilding from top to bottom, retaining only three or four players at most plus the youngsters. Having said that, assuming we stay in this league the same will apply, we will need a complete rebuild. I think it will be, at least, two summer transfer windows after the SMCP removes equity investments from turnover. Until then there will, most likely, be two or three teams, in the division, that will outspend us on transfers and wages. In the latest podcast, with Charlie Methven, he mentioned that the investment in Charlton (the purchase) is being done on the basis that they will look to sell for a profit. The more they invest the less likely that seems. This suggests that there is going to be little, or no, investment in the squad to bring us close to the big spenders in League One, so there will always be clubs that should (unless badly run) finish above us. This makes the playoffs (and the gamble of 1 in 4) the best outcome possible. Methven mentioned, several times, in a sarcastic tone, that fans are asking for the club to be made bankrupt. In effect, he was saying that the fans that want investment are dim and are, therefore, calling for the club to go bust. It made him sound, every bit, the chap we saw on the Netflix show. I have less confidence, than ever, that we are going to be able to compete, even in the third division, for a long time. I suspect, with little more than guesswork, that the purchase price took into account the value of the players in the first team and the academy, and the likelihood that selling them can cover any shortfalls and, sooner or later, a club of our size should win promotion based on the fact that many League One clubs are so small, by comparison. I think this is why we are persevering with academy players and those they the club were desperate to sell in the summer, rather than play the loan players. I am, now, very concerned that the plan is to sell players, to cover operating costs, and break even until the Gods of Football determine that it is our time to go up. That doesn't sound too different from Sandgaard's plan - save for the fact that we have a recognised SMT now. I am also hearing rumours of discontent within the non-playing staff at the club. This is, often, not a good sign. I am all for the club being run properly and the correct staff employed (and as a result, those that are not suitable being let go) but with Methven's shot across the bow at the fans that are asking for investment, it is starting to feel more and more like Sandgaard's reign. I am fed up with people that think they are so much cleverer than everyone else that they can be successful despite not investing, properly. I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in League One in 2030. Five years for those that own the club, now, to realise that Methven isn't going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and another year, or two, to find new owners. I've also listened to all the "Where's the money gone?" podcasts and had a different takeaway from yours. Charlie states the fact that investors usually have different types of investments. I.e. Ones which are guaranteed returns/dividends each year and others which are more risky in nature or more of a 'gamble'. He says that football club investment is the later. The only way this investment has a chance of a return / profit is if the club gets promotion(s). We all know the only way to get promotion is to invest in the club. How much and when, etc is debateable. It's clear that the investors see the ownership as a risky investment, which they expect to put money into in order to have any chance of a return. they also see it as an investment which they may not get any/little return on (We hope this isn't the case ofc) as it is on the riskier side of their portfolio's. Charlie goes on about owners needing upwards of $100m wealth in order to be able to afford to run the clubs at this level and cover the losses. We have these losses split across multiple owners to dilute this. I'm not sure where you're getting the feeling that this means they won't be investing into the club. Charlie says our investors see the investment as a long term 5-10 year investment. So this says to me we won't be spending big like an Ipswich but we will be spending over a longer period. Building up the club to be run in a better way than it has been over the previous 5-10 years. The sooner we can get promoted the better chance at a return on investment for the owners, which means we may see more spending rather than less. I don't remember anyone (Cleverer or otherwise) saying we can be successful without investing. Not even BB would suggest that. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 29, 2023 23:33:37 GMT
I think it will be, at least, two summer transfer windows after the SMCP removes equity investments from turnover. Until then there will, most likely, be two or three teams, in the division, that will outspend us on transfers and wages. In the latest podcast, with Charlie Methven, he mentioned that the investment in Charlton (the purchase) is being done on the basis that they will look to sell for a profit. The more they invest the less likely that seems. This suggests that there is going to be little, or no, investment in the squad to bring us close to the big spenders in League One, so there will always be clubs that should (unless badly run) finish above us. This makes the playoffs (and the gamble of 1 in 4) the best outcome possible. Methven mentioned, several times, in a sarcastic tone, that fans are asking for the club to be made bankrupt. In effect, he was saying that the fans that want investment are dim and are, therefore, calling for the club to go bust. It made him sound, every bit, the chap we saw on the Netflix show. I have less confidence, than ever, that we are going to be able to compete, even in the third division, for a long time. I suspect, with little more than guesswork, that the purchase price took into account the value of the players in the first team and the academy, and the likelihood that selling them can cover any shortfalls and, sooner or later, a club of our size should win promotion based on the fact that many League One clubs are so small, by comparison. I think this is why we are persevering with academy players and those they the club were desperate to sell in the summer, rather than play the loan players. I am, now, very concerned that the plan is to sell players, to cover operating costs, and break even until the Gods of Football determine that it is our time to go up. That doesn't sound too different from Sandgaard's plan - save for the fact that we have a recognised SMT now. I am also hearing rumours of discontent within the non-playing staff at the club. This is, often, not a good sign. I am all for the club being run properly and the correct staff employed (and as a result, those that are not suitable being let go) but with Methven's shot across the bow at the fans that are asking for investment, it is starting to feel more and more like Sandgaard's reign. I am fed up with people that think they are so much cleverer than everyone else that they can be successful despite not investing, properly. I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in League One in 2030. Five years for those that own the club, now, to realise that Methven isn't going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and another year, or two, to find new owners. I've also listened to all the "Where's the money gone?" podcasts and had a different takeaway from yours. Charlie states the fact that investors usually have different types of investments. I.e. Ones which are guaranteed returns/dividends each year and others which are more risky in nature or more of a 'gamble'. He says that football club investment is the later. The only way this investment has a chance of a return / profit is if the club gets promotion(s). We all know the only way to get promotion is to invest in the club. How much and when, etc is debateable. It's clear that the investors see the ownership as a risky investment, which they expect to put money into in order to have any chance of a return. they also see it as an investment which they may not get any/little return on (We hope this isn't the case ofc) as it is on the riskier side of their portfolio's. Charlie goes on about owners needing upwards of $100m wealth in order to be able to afford to run the clubs at this level and cover the losses. We have these losses split across multiple owners to dilute this. I'm not sure where you're getting the feeling that this means they won't be investing into the club. Charlie says our investors see the investment as a long term 5-10 year investment. So this says to me we won't be spending big like an Ipswich but we will be spending over a longer period. Building up the club to be run in a better way than it has been over the previous 5-10 years. The sooner we can get promoted the better chance at a return on investment for the owners, which means we may see more spending rather than less. I don't remember anyone (Cleverer or otherwise) saying we can be successful without investing. Not even BB would suggest that. The impression I got was that the Americans were happy to invest the purchase price for 5-10 years in the hope that the club would be sold for a profit. I think that Charlie Methven has ‘advised’ them that he can cover most, if not all, of the losses during that 5-10 years, trading players, and probably win a promotion or two while he’s at it. I could be wrong but we will have a much better idea at the end of January. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 30, 2023 1:00:30 GMT
I've also listened to all the "Where's the money gone?" podcasts and had a different takeaway from yours. Charlie states the fact that investors usually have different types of investments. I.e. Ones which are guaranteed returns/dividends each year and others which are more risky in nature or more of a 'gamble'. He says that football club investment is the later. The only way this investment has a chance of a return / profit is if the club gets promotion(s). We all know the only way to get promotion is to invest in the club. How much and when, etc is debateable. It's clear that the investors see the ownership as a risky investment, which they expect to put money into in order to have any chance of a return. they also see it as an investment which they may not get any/little return on (We hope this isn't the case ofc) as it is on the riskier side of their portfolio's. Charlie goes on about owners needing upwards of $100m wealth in order to be able to afford to run the clubs at this level and cover the losses. We have these losses split across multiple owners to dilute this. I'm not sure where you're getting the feeling that this means they won't be investing into the club. Charlie says our investors see the investment as a long term 5-10 year investment. So this says to me we won't be spending big like an Ipswich but we will be spending over a longer period. Building up the club to be run in a better way than it has been over the previous 5-10 years. The sooner we can get promoted the better chance at a return on investment for the owners, which means we may see more spending rather than less. I don't remember anyone (Cleverer or otherwise) saying we can be successful without investing. Not even BB would suggest that. The impression I got was that the Americans were happy to invest the purchase price for 5-10 years in the hope that the club would be sold for a profit. I think that Charlie Methven has ‘advised’ them that he can cover most, if not all, of the losses during that 5-10 years, trading players, and probably win a promotion or two while he’s at it. I could be wrong but we will have a much better idea at the end of January. I agree to a point KHA but Jan is notorious as a window for not getting quality in…. clubs now would prefer to keep their best players regardless of their contract situation and lose them for nowt in the summer so I can only see us strengthen by recruited better loan options for decent championship players not getting much game time at their parent clubs for whatever reason The real acid test for me will be next summer with a full period to scope and recruit a side serious about promotion whereas this season it has been put together on more hope than expectation IMO This will tell us the true ambition of the new owners |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 30, 2023 8:48:53 GMT
The impression I got was that the Americans were happy to invest the purchase price for 5-10 years in the hope that the club would be sold for a profit. I think that Charlie Methven has ‘advised’ them that he can cover most, if not all, of the losses during that 5-10 years, trading players, and probably win a promotion or two while he’s at it. I could be wrong but we will have a much better idea at the end of January. I agree to a point KHA but Jan is notorious as a window for not getting quality in…. clubs now would prefer to keep their best players regardless of their contract situation and lose them for nowt in the summer so I can only see us strengthen by recruited better loan options for decent championship players not getting much game time at their parent clubs for whatever reason The real acid test for me will be next summer with a full period to scope and recruit a side serious about promotion whereas this season it has been put together on more hope than expectation IMO This will tell us the true ambition of the new owners I hope I’m wrong, and Leaburn’s injury might change this, but why I think January will be informative is that I suspect that we will sell players, bank the money and play more Academy kids that are not ready. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 30, 2023 9:26:08 GMT
I agree to a point KHA but Jan is notorious as a window for not getting quality in…. clubs now would prefer to keep their best players regardless of their contract situation and lose them for nowt in the summer so I can only see us strengthen by recruited better loan options for decent championship players not getting much game time at their parent clubs for whatever reason The real acid test for me will be next summer with a full period to scope and recruit a side serious about promotion whereas this season it has been put together on more hope than expectation IMO This will tell us the true ambition of the new owners I hope I’m wrong, and Leaburn’s injury might change this, but why I think January will be informative is that I suspect that we will sell players, bank the money and play more Academy kids that are not ready. If that is the case KHA then why didn’t they sell the three players in question in the summer when we had confirmed offers in for them? That would have made more sense to me as they would have got more money in fees then than they would in January Clearly MA doesn’t rate the kids as starters at this time as he has dropped Karoy completely and is playing Tenai Watson instead of Asiime so the theory of playing the kids is questionable in my eyes. Personally I don’t think Dobson, CBT and especially now Leaburn will go in January, j think Kirk and at least three maybe 4 of the loans will go back and we will look to bring in better quality loans….. But we shall see? |
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Post by 995632 on Nov 30, 2023 9:57:51 GMT
I think it will be, at least, two summer transfer windows after the SMCP removes equity investments from turnover. Until then there will, most likely, be two or three teams, in the division, that will outspend us on transfers and wages. In the latest podcast, with Charlie Methven, he mentioned that the investment in Charlton (the purchase) is being done on the basis that they will look to sell for a profit. The more they invest the less likely that seems. This suggests that there is going to be little, or no, investment in the squad to bring us close to the big spenders in League One, so there will always be clubs that should (unless badly run) finish above us. This makes the playoffs (and the gamble of 1 in 4) the best outcome possible. Methven mentioned, several times, in a sarcastic tone, that fans are asking for the club to be made bankrupt. In effect, he was saying that the fans that want investment are dim and are, therefore, calling for the club to go bust. It made him sound, every bit, the chap we saw on the Netflix show. I have less confidence, than ever, that we are going to be able to compete, even in the third division, for a long time. I suspect, with little more than guesswork, that the purchase price took into account the value of the players in the first team and the academy, and the likelihood that selling them can cover any shortfalls and, sooner or later, a club of our size should win promotion based on the fact that many League One clubs are so small, by comparison. I think this is why we are persevering with academy players and those they the club were desperate to sell in the summer, rather than play the loan players. I am, now, very concerned that the plan is to sell players, to cover operating costs, and break even until the Gods of Football determine that it is our time to go up. That doesn't sound too different from Sandgaard's plan - save for the fact that we have a recognised SMT now. I am also hearing rumours of discontent within the non-playing staff at the club. This is, often, not a good sign. I am all for the club being run properly and the correct staff employed (and as a result, those that are not suitable being let go) but with Methven's shot across the bow at the fans that are asking for investment, it is starting to feel more and more like Sandgaard's reign. I am fed up with people that think they are so much cleverer than everyone else that they can be successful despite not investing, properly. I hope I am wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if we are still in League One in 2030. Five years for those that own the club, now, to realise that Methven isn't going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and another year, or two, to find new owners. I've also listened to all the "Where's the money gone?" podcasts and had a different takeaway from yours. Charlie states the fact that investors usually have different types of investments. I.e. Ones which are guaranteed returns/dividends each year and others which are more risky in nature or more of a 'gamble'. He says that football club investment is the later. The only way this investment has a chance of a return / profit is if the club gets promotion(s). We all know the only way to get promotion is to invest in the club. How much and when, etc is debateable. It's clear that the investors see the ownership as a risky investment, which they expect to put money into in order to have any chance of a return. they also see it as an investment which they may not get any/little return on (We hope this isn't the case ofc) as it is on the riskier side of their portfolio's. Charlie goes on about owners needing upwards of $100m wealth in order to be able to afford to run the clubs at this level and cover the losses. We have these losses split across multiple owners to dilute this. I'm not sure where you're getting the feeling that this means they won't be investing into the club. Charlie says our investors see the investment as a long term 5-10 year investment. So this says to me we won't be spending big like an Ipswich but we will be spending over a longer period. Building up the club to be run in a better way than it has been over the previous 5-10 years. The sooner we can get promoted the better chance at a return on investment for the owners, which means we may see more spending rather than less. I don't remember anyone (Cleverer or otherwise) saying we can be successful without investing. Not even BB would suggest that. This is largely how I read it. He did say his company is experienced with buying clubs, improving them and then selling them on for a profit. I know that sets off some people's spider senses, but logically if they have stumped up the cash to save us from an owner who ultimately didn't care, didn't have the money and didn't have the know how to progress us, then thanks. If they have installed a proper knowledgeable and experienced SMT to continue to move the club forward, develop the infrastructure and the commercial side to be able to secure a larger payout when they sell, then that's even better! The 100 million gang he was talking about also don't have the time to meddle with the club (TS) so put people in charge to run the club (RD) with no football experience. The previous podcast mentioned that the Glazers brought in people from finance to run Man Utd and that's why they're struggling with infrastructure and signings etc and have fallen from their perch at the top of the game. Yes we allegedly have rich owners, but they're not going to go about chucking money at everything. At least our lot are looking to help correct the club foundations first and leave us in a better state than when they bought us with 'football people' in the correct positions. Think we'd much rather be a well run club again than the basket base chucking money at it then possibly having funding pulled (Jimenez/Slater/Cash) and then vultures swooping in again!! Live, love, laugh and be happy! |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 30, 2023 15:12:28 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 16:03:23 GMT
Campbell has to go back. That phase of play just before half-time made my piss boil. Didn't pass the ball, decided to be selfish and clever which he isn't. Loses the ball and blames everyone else trundling along for 0 yeardfs instead of chasing back.
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Post by clarky on Dec 23, 2023 18:14:35 GMT
Campbell has to go back. That phase of play just before half-time made my piss boil. Didn't pass the ball, decided to be selfish and clever which he isn't. Loses the ball and blames everyone else trundling along for 0 yeardfs instead of chasing back. I would also add Watson to the return home list, has got worse and am now failing to see what he offers. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Dec 23, 2023 18:35:21 GMT
Campbell has to go back. That phase of play just before half-time made my piss boil. Didn't pass the ball, decided to be selfish and clever which he isn't. Loses the ball and blames everyone else trundling along for 0 yeardfs instead of chasing back. I would also add Watson to the return home list, has got worse and am now failing to see what he offers. Agreed, awful loan signings. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Dec 23, 2023 22:19:07 GMT
I would also add Watson to the return home list, has got worse and am now failing to see what he offers. Agreed, awful loan signings. If Scott insists on bringing in PL kids on loan they have to be of the standard of Rak Saki, Watson and Campbell are not bad players at all but they lack the physicality required to get you out of League one Rak Saki was lightweight but the lad could play as we all saw last season and he is the only decent loan that has actually improved the side over the last two seasons…. If we go down the loan route then this is the standard we need And as for Tedic and Abankwa well you seriously have the wonder about the thought process behind these deals |
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