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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 7, 2023 16:05:08 GMT
Hector and Thomas really are poor but as a whole unit, they are the reason we are no higher than 12th.
I have touched on this before and something has to give, it's just not good enough. When players get injured like Edun, the back up is sub-standard.
January can't come quick enough.We can't keep giving goals away like we are and expecting our offensive players to dig us out by having to score three goals a game.
Can't blame Gallen for this one.
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Post by huddy1978 on Oct 7, 2023 16:13:11 GMT
I totally agree Reams, having one left back at the club is not acceptable really.
Hector is so frustrating as he looks class sometimes but switches off at crucial moments.
I feel a bit for Thomas playing left back, completely out of position.
I thought Asimnwe played really well when he came on, but he's young and still needs to learn defensive duties.
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Post by discocafc on Oct 7, 2023 17:01:58 GMT
Add Watson to this and I think he’s the worst out of the 4
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Post by manikin on Oct 7, 2023 17:03:50 GMT
We haven't had a couple of decent CBs for years, have never understood it. That's where a team should be built from and one of the CBs should have leadership qualities. We've been trying to do it arse about face for years and I can't see us getting what we want in January, there is rarely quality on offer then.
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 7, 2023 17:15:43 GMT
Watson had a good game defensively today won lot of headers .. Hector was outstanding today yes he made a mistake but even after that he made 2 or 3 great tackles when Blackpool broke away ..
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 7, 2023 18:13:18 GMT
Hector and Thomas really are poor but as a whole unit, they are the reason we are no higher than 12th. I have touched on this before and something has to give, it's just not good enough. When players get injured like Edun, the back up is sub-standard. January can't come quick enough.We can't keep giving goals away like we are and expecting our offensive players to dig us out by having to score three goals a game. Can't blame Gallen for this one. Appleton is using 18 players since he took over and ten of those are new arrivals or out of the Academy. Our attacking options look like the best we've had for years but nobody can deny we're conceding too many chances if we want promotion. Coaching, fitness, scouting and player all need to step up in 2024. Our defenders need to either improve or be replaced. |
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Post by leedsaddick on Oct 7, 2023 18:18:08 GMT
Hector and Thomas really are poor but as a whole unit, they are the reason we are no higher than 12th. I have touched on this before and something has to give, it's just not good enough. When players get injured like Edun, the back up is sub-standard. January can't come quick enough.We can't keep giving goals away like we are and expecting our offensive players to dig us out by having to score three goals a game. Can't blame Gallen for this one. Appleton is using 18 players since he took over and ten of those are new arrivals or out of the Academy. Our attacking options look like the best we've had for years but nobody can deny we're conceding too many chances if we want promotion. Coaching, fitness, scouting and player all need to step up in 2024. Our defenders need to either improve or be replaced. Building on your last point Scott’s interview yesterday talked about this and there should a Performance Director appointed within 2 weeks and they’re looking at scouting too Getting back to the thread topic, the worst centre back combinations I’ve seen are Les Berry and Steve Dowman And Alan Dugdale and Dave Shipperley |
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Post by jonkool on Oct 7, 2023 21:12:53 GMT
Hector is a senior pro but appears to be auditioning for the part of the rabbit caught in the headlights.
He has no pace which results in our defence sitting very deep which in turn leads on to the gap between the defence and the attackers to be too great for the midfield to cover.
We desperately need a new CB and LB who have greater pace and aggression. If not another mid table season awaits.
I also thought that Assimnwe did a great job and is a talent for the future.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 7, 2023 21:19:25 GMT
Watson had a good game defensively today won lot of headers .. Hector was outstanding today yes he made a mistake but even after that he made 2 or 3 great tackles when Blackpool broke away .. Jeez mate Watson definitely did not have a good game, that’s why he was hooked after 50 with Bobo |
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 8, 2023 10:07:06 GMT
Watson had a good game defensively today won lot of headers .. Hector was outstanding today yes he made a mistake but even after that he made 2 or 3 great tackles when Blackpool broke away .. Jeez mate Watson definitely did not have a good game, that’s why he was hooked after 50 with Bobo He was taken off not to do with performance but the fact of his fitness.. Not to risk injury. |
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 8, 2023 10:10:44 GMT
People quick to attack Hector yet no one mentioned the paszback to him from Dobson which was not great, why did he not just hold the ball and turn.. Also who started the move for our second goal with a very goid interception on the edge of our box
People have scapegoats but are very blinkered when it comes to others
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Post by garrynelson on Oct 8, 2023 19:12:42 GMT
Daley, Doherty, Llera and the full backs were arguably a worse unit
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 8, 2023 19:47:13 GMT
Jeez mate Watson definitely did not have a good game, that’s why he was hooked after 50 with Bobo He was taken off not to do with performance but the fact of his fitness.. Not to risk injury. Fella don’t always believe the reasons that Appleton or any manager gives for hooking players, he is hardly going to say that he hooked him after 50 minutes because he was playing shit along with Bobo is he? As soon as Nathan and TC came on we looked a completely different side down that right hand side |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 8, 2023 19:50:53 GMT
People quick to attack Hector yet no one mentioned the paszback to him from Dobson which was not great, why did he not just hold the ball and turn.. Also who started the move for our second goal with a very goid interception on the edge of our box People have scapegoats but are very blinkered when it comes to others Hector had an excellant game up until and after the mistake but judging by the look on his face he would admit himself that it is not acceptable to be gifting goals away like he has and with the goal against Bristol Rovers this is not the first time this season I ask the question when do we ever get given gifts like this from opposition centre backs? |
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Post by discocafc on Oct 9, 2023 8:02:30 GMT
I didn’t think Hector had a bad game Saturday. Yes it was a terrible mistake.
My issue is Watson and Thomas. Watson was at fault for the Exeter goal and he just seems weak and gets beaten 9 times out of 10. Both really slow and useless at going forward.
Jones is a solid player though.
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 9, 2023 11:47:32 GMT
I was surprised that Thomas was retained, to be honest. I think he is a weak link at left back and, based on the number of centre halves we have, I don't see him getting a game in the middle of defence. I suspect that Holden thought that playing 3-5-2 would mean extra centre halves, but I don't, really rate him there, either.
That said, if we hadn't kept him on (and I have no idea what his wages are) I can't think of anyone else that that we could play at left back, and we only signed Edun at the end of July.
It's a tough call, with limited budgets, as to if the club have two equally good players for each position, or one that is better than those two and one that is weaker - especially if the weaker one can play in more than one position.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 9, 2023 14:16:04 GMT
I was surprised that Thomas was retained, to be honest. I think he is a weak link at left back and, based on the number of centre halves we have, I don't see him getting a game in the middle of defence. I suspect that Holden thought that playing 3-5-2 would mean extra centre halves, but I don't, really rate him there, either. That said, if we hadn't kept him on (and I have no idea what his wages are) I can't think of anyone else that that we could play at left back, and we only signed Edun at the end of July. It's a tough call, with limited budgets, as to if the club have two equally good players for each position, or one that is better than those two and one that is weaker - especially if the weaker one can play in more than one position. Agreed that there are some areas of the matchday 18 which need addressing. This was always inevitable, even before the takeover was delayed. Why? We were a mid-table side under Sandgaard, Gallen and Garner. There's only so much change that can happen in one summer window. AND it appears we needed a change of culture at Sparrows Lane. Edun will be back in November hopefully and Asiimwe is showing promise. A settled back five for a few months plus two decent CDMs might be exactly what we require before Scott looks for further acquisitions. As posted before, Scott will need to see if he can loan out or sell players who don't figure in the 18 so as to create headroom. And ideally the SMT find more revenues... ideally another 1-2,000 fans turn up as we climb the table. Unsure how the club might communicate that to EFL compliance people - perhaps we have to wait until next season to report higher income as well as releasing players? |
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 9, 2023 14:43:57 GMT
I was surprised that Thomas was retained, to be honest. I think he is a weak link at left back and, based on the number of centre halves we have, I don't see him getting a game in the middle of defence. I suspect that Holden thought that playing 3-5-2 would mean extra centre halves, but I don't, really rate him there, either. That said, if we hadn't kept him on (and I have no idea what his wages are) I can't think of anyone else that that we could play at left back, and we only signed Edun at the end of July. It's a tough call, with limited budgets, as to if the club have two equally good players for each position, or one that is better than those two and one that is weaker - especially if the weaker one can play in more than one position. Agreed that there are some areas of the matchday 18 which need addressing. This was always inevitable, even before the takeover was delayed. Why? We were a mid-table side under Sandgaard, Gallen and Garner. There's only so much change that can happen in one summer window. AND it appears we needed a change of culture at Sparrows Lane. Edun will be back in November hopefully and Asiimwe is showing promise. A settled back five for a few months plus two decent CDMs might be exactly what we require before Scott looks for further acquisitions. As posted before, Scott will need to see if he can loan out or sell players who don't figure in the 18 so as to create headroom. And ideally the SMT find more revenues... ideally another 1-2,000 fans turn up as we climb the table. Unsure how the club might communicate that to EFL compliance people - perhaps we have to wait until next season to report higher income as well as releasing players? The attendances have been rather poor this season - including Saturday where the ground looked a lot less full than the 13k they gave out. Until we get close to the top six (I know we are going in the right direction) I don’t see any improvement coming. We have been mislead by those running the club for so long now I think that a lot of the fan base have decided that the club have to deliver first. They are sick of getting behind the team, and spending a small fortune to do so, only to see that the club are not delivering. I know we are not too far behind but the performances are taking a little longer to pick up. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 9, 2023 14:50:50 GMT
I was surprised that Thomas was retained, to be honest. I think he is a weak link at left back and, based on the number of centre halves we have, I don't see him getting a game in the middle of defence. I suspect that Holden thought that playing 3-5-2 would mean extra centre halves, but I don't, really rate him there, either. That said, if we hadn't kept him on (and I have no idea what his wages are) I can't think of anyone else that that we could play at left back, and we only signed Edun at the end of July. It's a tough call, with limited budgets, as to if the club have two equally good players for each position, or one that is better than those two and one that is weaker - especially if the weaker one can play in more than one position. Thomas's issues are attacking related imo. And speed, which none of our defenders have. Maybe Edun is the only one who can hold his own there. Thomas's lack of ability in passing / dribbling etc means a lot of our play down the left gets halted when it reaches him. Thus we lose a lot of momentum. Not always Thomas's fauly as CBT might be his only option and Thomas doesn't seem to have the confidence to play it into CBT sometimes. CBT definitely avoids passing back to Thomas if he can avoid it. We don't offer enough options (triangles etc) Defensive wise, you can't fault Thomas too much other than he looks like he's running through treacle, which is an issue. These stats might open a few eyes. (if they load) |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 9, 2023 19:04:04 GMT
Agreed that there are some areas of the matchday 18 which need addressing. This was always inevitable, even before the takeover was delayed. Why? We were a mid-table side under Sandgaard, Gallen and Garner. There's only so much change that can happen in one summer window. AND it appears we needed a change of culture at Sparrows Lane. Edun will be back in November hopefully and Asiimwe is showing promise. A settled back five for a few months plus two decent CDMs might be exactly what we require before Scott looks for further acquisitions. As posted before, Scott will need to see if he can loan out or sell players who don't figure in the 18 so as to create headroom. And ideally the SMT find more revenues... ideally another 1-2,000 fans turn up as we climb the table. Unsure how the club might communicate that to EFL compliance people - perhaps we have to wait until next season to report higher income as well as releasing players? The attendances have been rather poor this season - including Saturday where the ground looked a lot less full than the 13k they gave out. Until we get close to the top six (I know we are going in the right direction) I don’t see any improvement coming. We have been mislead by those running the club for so long now I think that a lot of the fan base have decided that the club have to deliver first. They are sick of getting behind the team, and spending a small fortune to do so, only to see that the club are not delivering. I know we are not too far behind but the performances are taking a little longer to pick up. We're six points behind 4th place with a game in hand. Win against Wigan away and we're in a different place. In the past couple of seasons we've been four wins behind the top six after 17 games - a time when managers were sacked. So fans won't be convinced until we're back in the top six or just a couple of points away. At that point the tone of the grapevine may well change as people discuss the possibility of returning to Wembley! Talking of which grapevine49 lambasted the negativity on CL in the post match thread as fan after fan chose to criticise Hector and others, rather than celebrate an obvious turnaround by Appleton. One hopes that sooner or later the missing thousands will see the writing on the wall, just as they did five years ago. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 9, 2023 22:15:18 GMT
Some of the player ratings for Hector were laughable. People giving him 1-4’s. He made a very costly mistake but he was pretty solid apart from that. The pass to him was a bit unnecessary from Dobbo but you can’t say anything bad about Dobbo or you’ll get people with pitchforks outside your house.
I still think Hector has mistakes in him. Even the stuff he does well he seems a bit flukey with. I’m not sure you see that in the stands. It’s more from the up close TV camera. He doesn’t give me confidence anyway.
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Post by manikin on Oct 13, 2023 7:57:39 GMT
I see we've got rid of Roddy for a month, on loan to Weston-super-Mare, about his level.
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 13, 2023 9:02:40 GMT
I see we've got rid of Roddy for a month, on loan to Weston-super-Mare, about his level. His Dad, obviously, got him a contract that we haven’t been able to pass on to anyone else yet. |
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Post by Tom1982 on Oct 13, 2023 9:55:14 GMT
On paper our back four of Edun, Jones, Hector and Watson don’t look bad at all. No idea what the issue is but hopefully a bit of consistency and it’ll click.
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Post by manikin on Oct 13, 2023 10:57:26 GMT
I see we've got rid of Roddy for a month, on loan to Weston-super-Mare, about his level. His Dad, obviously, got him a contract that we haven’t been able to pass on to anyone else yet. We signed some dross ( or being polite, unsuitable players ) over the last few years. I feel confident that is now over, but those we've still got are going to take some hard work to get rid of. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Oct 13, 2023 12:00:06 GMT
Appleton is using 18 players since he took over and ten of those are new arrivals or out of the Academy. Our attacking options look like the best we've had for years but nobody can deny we're conceding too many chances if we want promotion. Coaching, fitness, scouting and player all need to step up in 2024. Our defenders need to either improve or be replaced. Building on your last point Scott’s interview yesterday talked about this and there should a Performance Director appointed within 2 weeks and they’re looking at scouting too Getting back to the thread topic, the worst centre back combinations I’ve seen are Les Berry and Steve Dowman And Alan Dugdale and Dave Shipperley Who partnered Bobby Goldthorpe?.🤔 |
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Post by manikin on Oct 13, 2023 12:49:12 GMT
Building on your last point Scott’s interview yesterday talked about this and there should a Performance Director appointed within 2 weeks and they’re looking at scouting too Getting back to the thread topic, the worst centre back combinations I’ve seen are Les Berry and Steve Dowman And Alan Dugdale and Dave Shipperley Who partnered Bobby Goldthorpe?.🤔 Besides Shipperley the other center back at that time was Peter Reeves. Reeves was a cracking player who had to retire in his mid twenties due to injuries ( seems our luck never changes ) at the time a great loss. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Oct 13, 2023 14:28:09 GMT
Who partnered Bobby Goldthorpe?.🤔 Besides Shipperley the other center back at that time was Peter Reeves. Reeves was a cracking player who had to retire in his mid twenties due to injuries ( seems our luck never changes ) at the time a great loss. Thanks, I remember them both. Just remember Goldthorpe, being like Bambi on ice. |
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Post by manikin on Oct 13, 2023 14:33:04 GMT
Besides Shipperley the other center back at that time was Peter Reeves. Reeves was a cracking player who had to retire in his mid twenties due to injuries ( seems our luck never changes ) at the time a great loss. Thanks, I remember them both. Just remember Goldthorpe, being like Bambi on ice. Bambi on ice, I like that. However, I believe he once scored a goal on the last day of a season that got us promoted from the third division to the second, guess he had his skates on that day. |
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Post by chubbred on Oct 13, 2023 15:46:16 GMT
I remember shipperly, I used to love it when we had a corner at the covered end and he would walk up for the corner with those big broad shoulders, he looked like a giant ,must have terrified the defenders
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