|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 10:07:48 GMT
Morning All.
Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already.
I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why.
Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it.
There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question.
The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season?
People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available.
The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion.
It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 10:20:39 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. Fans will naturally vent when things are bad, and after Saturday, things are as bad as they've been for a while. I appreciate you're only passing on what you are told and wholeheartedly agree that we should leave out personals (although it is difficult with certain people talking such nonsense). The thing is, you refer to what you know as "facts" and imply that nobody else can have a clue, but have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're being told porkies? With respect, it would be a bit odd for the CAFC board to continuously share inside information with a forum leader, unless they're deliberately trying to spread positive messages that aren't actually true. We've had several "new striker in 24hrs" and "money is there but waiting for right targets" with nothing coming to fruition. And why would Holden going change from a decent permanent signing to a loan? Unless the investment thread has some substance. Sorry, but all seems off to many of us. |
|
|
|
Post by se7sm on Aug 28, 2023 10:23:53 GMT
Actions speak louder than words
|
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Aug 28, 2023 10:34:07 GMT
Fans will have different perspectives, but many here on IttV will be patient as well as sharing this stance.
That's to say not walking away nor blind faith. Simply questioning direction whilst insisting that we need to be better than last season. And then improve again 2024/25.
It will take time for Scott to have an impact. Not just transfer windows and promoting the Academy players but improving things on the ground at Sparrows Lane.
Improving both coaching and sports science.
Here's hoping we see a decent team emerge by end September. Many of us are comfortable that the current squad supports a decent 4-3-3 with little cover as well as room for improvement.
|
|
|
|
Post by massivebeak on Aug 28, 2023 10:39:22 GMT
Nothing should ever get personal- no need for it.
|
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 10:40:46 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. Fans will naturally vent when things are bad, and after Saturday, things are as bad as they've been for a while. I appreciate you're only passing on what you are told and wholeheartedly agree that we should leave out personals (although it is difficult with certain people talking such nonsense). The thing is, you refer to what you know as "facts" and imply that nobody else can have a clue, but have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're being told porkies? Well if they are telling me porkies that would be saying more about them than it would me. I take people on face value and have no reason not to disbelieve anything they have told me. Let's be honest about this, much of this points to fans not trusting and choosing not to like CM. They think that they can't be wrong because of what Sunderland fans are saying. That's their choice and one they are entitled too but they have been in the job coming up to five weeks, got rid of the dead wood and sacked a manager who many have said as recent as last week, 'Is safe in his job because he's the owners best mate'! To me that's clearing the decks, better players will arrive as will a better manager. I'm not saying every player that has come in has been a statement of intent signing, if truth be known I have ripped the defensive rebuild to pieces and did so directly to them last week, but I am absolutely certain better players will arrive. This is going to take a window or two to sort out but what wasn't working has been removed both on and off the pitch. They can't dance to the tune of impatient fans. |
|
|
|
Post by earlpurple on Aug 28, 2023 10:41:23 GMT
Some explanation of where the main problems are that need fixing, how they plan to do it, and why it will take so long?
Maybe we were better off when we went into the season with an extremely thin squad than we are now going into one with a reasonably large squad but of players not good enough?
Is Charlie Kirk really not good enough or have successive managers not been able to get the best out of him due to the style of football they wanted to play? Blackpool play at our level and are interested in signing him.
|
|
|
|
Post by squareball on Aug 28, 2023 10:44:51 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. As we’re basing our views on facts now it’s a fact that Charlie said he wants the club to operate at 1/2million losses per season. How does that fit with your assertion that there’s money to spend? How can it possibly fit with saving 4/6 million a year? As you have given your word that there’s money to spend on what fact have you based your claim? A final question is what has been proposed as the most effective method to achieve the savings of 4/6 million a year? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
Fans will naturally vent when things are bad, and after Saturday, things are as bad as they've been for a while. I appreciate you're only passing on what you are told and wholeheartedly agree that we should leave out personals (although it is difficult with certain people talking such nonsense). The thing is, you refer to what you know as "facts" and imply that nobody else can have a clue, but have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're being told porkies? Well if they are telling me porkies that would be saying more about them than it would me. I take people on face value and have no reason not to disbelieve anything they have told me. Let's be honest about this, much of this points to fans not trusting and choosing not to like CM. They think that they can't be wrong because of what Sunderland fans are saying. That's their choice and one they are entitled too but they have been in the job coming up to five weeks, got rid of the dead wood and sacked a manager who many have said as recent as last week, 'Is safe in his job because he's the owners best mate'! To me that's clearing the decks, better players will arrive as will a better manager. I'm not saying every player that has come in has been a statement of intent signing, if truth be known I have ripped the defensive rebuild to pieces and did so directly to them last week, but I am absolutely certain better players will arrive. This is going to take a window or two to sort out but what wasn't working has been removed both on and off the pitch. They can't dance to the tune of impatient fans. I agree with your first sentence, and nothing I write is intended to dig you out, I'm just pointing out why some fans will remain sceptical despite what is being passed on via various channels. As others have said, the proof will be in the pudding and we'll all know for sure what SE7 are really made of eventually. |
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 10:46:56 GMT
Some explanation of where the main problems are that need fixing, how they plan to do it, and why it will take so long? Maybe we were better off when we went into the season with an extremely thin squad than we are now going into one with a reasonably large squad but of players not good enough? Is Charlie Kirk really not good enough or have successive managers not been able to get the best out of him due to the style of football they wanted to play? Blackpool play at our level and are interested in signing him. I agree on Kirk but he is under contract. We can't blame the current owners for not being able to shift on Gallen's mess. He and Sandgaard bought Kirk and and Aneke. Both are on big wages which we can't shift unless there are takers and there are very good reason's why there aren't any. |
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 11:09:54 GMT
Some explanation of where the main problems are that need fixing, how they plan to do it, and why it will take so long? Maybe we were better off when we went into the season with an extremely thin squad than we are now going into one with a reasonably large squad but of players not good enough? Is Charlie Kirk really not good enough or have successive managers not been able to get the best out of him due to the style of football they wanted to play? Blackpool play at our level and are interested in signing him. To be fair they also took Albie Morgan and I think there were very few Charlton fans that were disappointed with him leaving. |
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 11:25:55 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. When you say 'we have your word' on their being money to spend have you anything more concrete on that than being told by someone else (or multiple people) that are involved with SE7 Partners? If you have seen, actual, evidence that money is there and those in control are willing, and actively trying, to spend it that's 100% different from you giving us your word because someone else (that you haven't known for a long time) has given you theirs. All the evidence (ignoring heresay - which SE7 Partners are controlling through hand picked fans) suggests that the new owners have a similar MO to Sandgaard - they believe that they can achieve better value from player trading (than everyone else) and generate significant income from the Academy and increased Commercial revenue. That is, exactly, what Sandgaard believed he was going to do. It was similar to what Duchâtelet had in mind, except that the Belgian invested serious money in the squad and had access to loan players from his other clubs. Methven's time at Sunderland saw him achieve some of the above goals but it has to be remembered that he did that at a club that had attendances at more than twice almost every other team in the division, and almost eight times many of them, and an Academy that was one of only two (including Newcastle) for miles around. The same approach will not work at Charlton. If just won't. |
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 11:36:50 GMT
The words used regarding the lack of players coming in were 'It's not a financial matter; we know we need a striker and one will arrive soon', other's will follow'. I was told it will also be a three windowd build which is reasonable in my opinion, that's what it took Ipswich. That was the point where I said that while I agreed, you could see the process happening at Portman Road, window by window and by the third they had a very good squad as last season proved. I added that fans will back them and be patient if that is the case but clear evidence of a rebuild has to be seen taking shape. Anyone can say it will be a three window rebuild to buy time but fans won't buy it including me. I'm sure we will all afford them that just as long as the transition is visible going forward. As of now and the new players that have arrived, it isn't because I see no improvement. The football is neater but defensively we are shocking. All points I made last Friday.
|
|
|
|
Post by mersthamred on Aug 28, 2023 11:51:29 GMT
I think we should give the new owners time (what else can we do anyway?).
Players who are not good enough for us were the top players at the clubs they came from. How many players come to us and improve? What's that all about?
Is it that the clubs they come from play more settled sides because the best 11 is obvious whereas we don't know who our best 11 are and constantly chop and change and try clever tactics. Play a right back at right back etc and stop trying to be Man City. Play a simple system. A basic 442 would probably get more points over a season in L1 than what we try and do.
|
|
|
|
Post by se7tolu7 on Aug 28, 2023 11:56:19 GMT
Fans will naturally vent when things are bad, and after Saturday, things are as bad as they've been for a while. I appreciate you're only passing on what you are told and wholeheartedly agree that we should leave out personals (although it is difficult with certain people talking such nonsense). The thing is, you refer to what you know as "facts" and imply that nobody else can have a clue, but have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're being told porkies? Well if they are telling me porkies that would be saying more about them than it would me. I take people on face value and have no reason not to disbelieve anything they have told me. Let's be honest about this, much of this points to fans not trusting and choosing not to like CM. They think that they can't be wrong because of what Sunderland fans are saying. That's their choice and one they are entitled too but they have been in the job coming up to five weeks, got rid of the dead wood and sacked a manager who many have said as recent as last week, 'Is safe in his job because he's the owners best mate'! To me that's clearing the decks, better players will arrive as will a better manager. I'm not saying every player that has come in has been a statement of intent signing, if truth be known I have ripped the defensive rebuild to pieces and did so directly to them last week, but I am absolutely certain better players will arrive. This is going to take a window or two to sort out but what wasn't working has been removed both on and off the pitch. They can't dance to the tune of impatient fans. If you had to pick one right now Reams, who would you go for? |
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 12:05:42 GMT
Well if they are telling me porkies that would be saying more about them than it would me. I take people on face value and have no reason not to disbelieve anything they have told me. Let's be honest about this, much of this points to fans not trusting and choosing not to like CM. They think that they can't be wrong because of what Sunderland fans are saying. That's their choice and one they are entitled too but they have been in the job coming up to five weeks, got rid of the dead wood and sacked a manager who many have said as recent as last week, 'Is safe in his job because he's the owners best mate'! To me that's clearing the decks, better players will arrive as will a better manager. I'm not saying every player that has come in has been a statement of intent signing, if truth be known I have ripped the defensive rebuild to pieces and did so directly to them last week, but I am absolutely certain better players will arrive. This is going to take a window or two to sort out but what wasn't working has been removed both on and off the pitch. They can't dance to the tune of impatient fans. If you had to pick one right now Reams, who would you go for? Graham Potter, Scotty Parker or Nathan Jones. We'll probably end up with Harry Potter, Parker from Thunderbirds or Miss Jones from Rigbsy! |
|
|
|
Post by aaronaldo on Aug 28, 2023 12:05:46 GMT
If there is money available then I’d be spending it on CB rather than ST at the moment.
|
|
|
|
Post by bexleyboy on Aug 28, 2023 12:10:06 GMT
Right behind the new owners they only been in the chair couple of weeks .. the manager been backed and there money to spend …. Anyone knows we can’t keep having wholesale changes every summer Alan Curbishley said that on Saturday it needs to be done gradually over 2/3 windows fans just need to get down the valley and support the team it’s only 5 games nothing lost or out of our reach ..
|
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 12:24:04 GMT
Right behind the new owners they only been in the chair couple of weeks .. the manager been backed and there money to spend …. Anyone knows we can’t keep having wholesale changes every summer Alan Curbishley said that on Saturday it needs to be done gradually over 2/3 windows fans just need to get down the valley and support the team it’s only 5 games nothing lost or out of our reach .. That's unlike you Bexley, to be completely behind the owners of the club!  |
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Aug 28, 2023 12:25:33 GMT
I think we should give the new owners time (what else can we do anyway?). Players who are not good enough for us were the top players at the clubs they came from. How many players come to us and improve? What's that all about? Is it that the clubs they come from play more settled sides because the best 11 is obvious whereas we don't know who our best 11 are and constantly chop and change and try clever tactics. Play a right back at right back etc and stop trying to be Man City. Play a simple system. A basic 442 would probably get more points over a season in L1 than what we try and do. Some fans walk away, others keep going out of habit, and some of us discuss where we are, warts and all. We do need a basic four at the back and thus loan / sell one or two centre backs. But it's Andy Scott who needs to determine how the front six play. When you think about it a 4-4-2 diamond isn't wildly different to a 4-3-3. With both Campbells available and Leaburn returning we have the players for either. There's also 4-2-3-1 but do we have 2 x CDM and there's much heat on the no.10 to perform. Our squad needs to play, be coached, review personal plans etc. And then the weakest two or three are replaced each window. At the same time the strongest might be sold to help cover the losses. For that to work the players need to improve every season, and Academy player improvement can be spectacular. And we go again. But let's give this new SMT time as it's a decade since we had this level of management running the club. Duchatelet had serious wealth, wanted Academy players to progress but refused to appoint seasoned professionals such as Scott and the others. Today there's the opportunity to install an entire first team coaching set up! There will always be fans posting about failure online - their way of coping and/or romantic nostalgia? But we can watch for who's appointed and how the side plays in September. This new squad will soon have ten games played with plenty of associated data such as XG. Together with Manager interviews, Charlton TV coverage and fan views. Think what I'm saying is that Adkins and Garner lasted far longer thus ensuring a mid-table finish at best. Let's see where we are at Christmas 😀 |
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 13:05:54 GMT
I think we should give the new owners time (what else can we do anyway?). Players who are not good enough for us were the top players at the clubs they came from. How many players come to us and improve? What's that all about? Is it that the clubs they come from play more settled sides because the best 11 is obvious whereas we don't know who our best 11 are and constantly chop and change and try clever tactics. Play a right back at right back etc and stop trying to be Man City. Play a simple system. A basic 442 would probably get more points over a season in L1 than what we try and do. There's also 4-2-3-1 but do we have 2 x CDM and there's much heat on the no.10 to perform. There will always be fans posting about failure online - their way of coping and/or romantic nostalgia? But we can watch for who's appointed and how the side plays in September. This new squad will soon have ten games played with plenty of associated data such as XG. Together with Manager interviews, Charlton TV coverage and fan views. I think we do. Dobson, Mcgrandles and Terry Taylor (I think) The number 10 could be Frazer or Camara (or a combination of them both). For me, I vent my anger/frustration about bad results etc. on here as, in some small way, I feel as though I an getting back at those that are responsible. I do know that those responsible neither read what I say nor care what I think, but it makes me feel better for a few minutes. |
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 13:30:27 GMT
There's also 4-2-3-1 but do we have 2 x CDM and there's much heat on the no.10 to perform. There will always be fans posting about failure online - their way of coping and/or romantic nostalgia? But we can watch for who's appointed and how the side plays in September. This new squad will soon have ten games played with plenty of associated data such as XG. Together with Manager interviews, Charlton TV coverage and fan views. I think we do. Dobson, Mcgrandles and Terry Taylor (I think) The number 10 could be Frazer or Camara (or a combination of them both). For me, I vent my anger/frustration about bad results etc. on here as, in some small way, I feel as though I an getting back at those that are responsible. I do know that those responsible neither read what I say nor care what I think, but it makes me feel better for a few minutes. Same here mate even though those esponsible are no longer at the club and even on their way out tried to delay it for as long as they could as though to hinder any success the new owners might have of bringing in players early to build a decent squad. We all knew how vain that egotistical twat Sandgaard was and the last thing he would have wanted was to give SE7 a springboard to do better than what he did. We were lining up then losing targets because the bastard deliberately dragged his heels. He knew what he was doing. Can't blame him for five straight defeats though. |
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 13:33:11 GMT
I think we do. Dobson, Mcgrandles and Terry Taylor (I think) The number 10 could be Frazer or Camara (or a combination of them both). For me, I vent my anger/frustration about bad results etc. on here as, in some small way, I feel as though I an getting back at those that are responsible. I do know that those responsible neither read what I say nor care what I think, but it makes me feel better for a few minutes. Sandgaard Can't blame him for five straight defeats though. I shouldn't, but I can, and I will! |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 13:33:22 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?!
I think BB's condition is catching.
|
|
|
|
Post by seriouslyred on Aug 28, 2023 13:38:21 GMT
There's also 4-2-3-1 but do we have 2 x CDM and there's much heat on the no.10 to perform. There will always be fans posting about failure online - their way of coping and/or romantic nostalgia? But we can watch for who's appointed and how the side plays in September. This new squad will soon have ten games played with plenty of associated data such as XG. Together with Manager interviews, Charlton TV coverage and fan views. I think we do. Dobson, Mcgrandles and Terry Taylor (I think) The number 10 could be Frazer or Camara (or a combination of them both). For me, I vent my anger/frustration about bad results etc. on here as, in some small way, I feel as though I an getting back at those that are responsible. I do know that those responsible neither read what I say nor care what I think, but it makes me feel better for a few minutes. Dobson as CDM (no.4) has been MotM more than once. I rate Anderson more than some as his link up with Asiimwe has been superb. They just know where the other is / will be given they've played together for ten years! However I'm not yet convinced by Fraser / Camara, but open to persuasion 😀 We both post after games as a reaction but also to explore WTF is going on / share views on the chaos. Let's take it on the chin and rally again next Saturday. We can be sure that "those responsible" watch every minute of the same games. Plus they are served up highlights and detailed analysis. Do they read message boards? Dunno but they do talk to fans and appear to want to shape the narrative. So there's some loop going on however imperfect. |
|
|
|
Post by kings hill addick on Aug 28, 2023 13:39:06 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?! I think BB's condition is catching. Not that he will, but that we'd like him to. A bit like how I would love to have Margot Robbie cutting my lawns in her bikini, but I don't think she will. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 13:42:13 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?! I think BB's condition is catching. Not that he will, but that we'd like him to. A bit like how I would love to have Margot Robbie cutting my lawns in her bikini, but I don't think she will. Fair enough. Although to be fair, Margot has just been round mine to do the hoovering, albeit in a sports tracksuit. |
|
|
|
Post by cafcdamo on Aug 28, 2023 14:14:31 GMT
I agree about finding a system that works, should have been done in preseason. Last 6 games we watched teams run at us with complete freedom, we watched no balls held up by our front 3, we saw no running by our midfield and strikers to close down attacks early, we sent in high balls to a 5ft striker, we played George as a CDM who didn’t stay there, we played wingers that won’t go to the goal line and rather pass the ball back when anywhere near the goal. Every team we played had a system, so frustrating when we use the season not preseason to find one.
|
|
|
|
Post by valley on Aug 28, 2023 14:18:18 GMT
Be busy for our club from tomorrow I think.
|
|
|
|
Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 14:29:48 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?! I think BB's condition is catching. No people are suggesting who they would love to see as our next manager. Nothing wrong with that. |
|
