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Post by garrynelson on Aug 28, 2023 14:42:05 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?! I think BB's condition is catching. No people are suggesting who they would love to see as our next manager. Nothing wrong with that. Fingers crossed Pep Guardiola fancies the challenge 🤞🏻 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 14:49:28 GMT
Are people suggesting that Graham Potter, the same Potter of Brighton and Chelsea, is going to manage Charlton Athletic?! I think BB's condition is catching. No people are suggesting who they would love to see as our next manager. Nothing wrong with that. Fair enough, although a bit pointless. The spine of our side could do with improving, so I'd like us to sign Ederson, Dias, De Bruyne and Haaland. |
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Post by garrynelson on Aug 28, 2023 14:50:37 GMT
No people are suggesting who they would love to see as our next manager. Nothing wrong with that. Fair enough, although a bit pointless. The spine of our side could do with improving, so I'd like us to sign Ederson, Dias, De Bruyne and Haaland. De Bruyne is injured - we need players to come in and hit the ground running. Maybe Rodri? |
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Post by anthony55 on Aug 28, 2023 14:51:56 GMT
Actions speak louder than words.
Personally I'll only believe money is available when I see them spend some.
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Post by Colly on Aug 28, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee |
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Post by mersthamred on Aug 28, 2023 19:25:55 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee That makes no sense. Why would all these investors want to take Charlton over just to run us into the ground...we don't even own a ground! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 19:30:41 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee I think you need to wake up to the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. You don't know me so don't judge me. I couldn't care less what you think about the owners, and you are entitled to your opinion but donn't insult me because I don't tow the line regarding what Sunderland fans said about CM. At Sunderland CM was one of two people running the club, at Charlton there are far more and he is down the pecking order. There are some astute businessmen involved and they won't stand for any nonsense. The CM line is getting very boring. It's tedious. I speak to three of the investors regularly. CM the least of the three so like I said people really don't know what they are talking about. |
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Post by bigandy99 on Aug 28, 2023 20:06:01 GMT
Morning All. Been having a bit f a think overnight and I thing given the start of the season we have had and the lack of quality players coming in, it's inevitable that some fans are turning on the new owners already. I'm not one of them but that doesn't mean to say that I am as unhappy as you are in terms of what we are seeing at the moment. I have been away or te weekend visiting the Silverstone Festival on Friday and then dropping down to Windsor for the races on Saturday, both of which are in the proximity of Oxford should I have chosen to go there but I didn't and there are reasons why. Those reasons were laid out in an messenger exchange to a couple of unamed SE7 members. I won't divulge what was said but believe me there were a few home truths on my part. One thing I will say is I told them clearly that whatever isn't working needs to change right now because if it didn't the fans they have got on board would walk away. I advised them that while their rebuild may take two or three windows fans want to see progress in each and despite one or two good players coming in during the current one, we are nowhere near. I was critical of the way we are willing to let 15 points fritter away while looking for footballers that would fit 'the system'. I said the system has to work first before we bring in players to operate within it. There were agreements on somethings and disagreements on others, again, I am not going to say what, but what I will share is at no point was it heated, disrespectful or personal. Questions were asked and answers were given. If I didn't like those answers I said so and backed it up with another question. The point of this is I am still onboard with the owners, they deserve two windows at the very least but we can't be languishiong in the bottom five of league 1 because what does progress look like come May, surviving relagation and finishing mid-table which is exactly where we finished last season? People can scoff at this all they want but what we are seeing at the moment is NOT because of a financial matter. You have my word on that. There is money to spend and a striker will come in before the weekend. It may be a loan because of the change of manager but I can assure you there is money available. The point of this thread is while still prepared to back the owners, in my opinion they have invited criticism onto themselves which I don't wish to particiapte in however, I do appreciate that others do want to air their views and there are many that are going to be negative. Do I agree with them? No...Do I think fans have a right to air them? ...Of course I do but all I ask is they don't get personal and we have have reasoned, healthy debate about anything that comes up for discussion. It's always important to base your views on facts and not assumption so before somebody says there's no money to spend again, I can assure you there is so while disagreeing with you on that score, I do agree that we should be spending it. I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee Maybe you should wind your neck in until Friday night and the transfer window is firmly closed… |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 20:33:32 GMT
I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee I think you need to wake up to the fact that you don't know what you are talking about. You don't know me so don't judge me. I couldn't care less what you think about the owners, and you are entitled to your opinion but donn't insult me because I don't tow the line regarding what Sunderland fans said about CM. At Sunderland CM was one of two people running the club, at Charlton there are far more and he is down the pecking order. There are some astute businessmen involved and they won't stand for any nonsense. The CM line is getting very boring. It's tedious. I speak to three of the investors regularly. CM the least of the three so like I said people really don't know what they are talking about. As should a few others. |
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Post by Colly on Aug 28, 2023 20:49:27 GMT
I think you need to wake up to the possibility Charlie's playing you like a fiddle..... there is no money, the club has gone backwards if that was possible...5 days left now of the transfer window.. no manager, talk of getting a striker in on loan, getting crocks in which we were supposed to be moving away from... Dabo / Camara Just because Charlie sweettalks you at the horse racing and over the buffet in the directors lounge doesn't mean it's true 40,000 Sunderland fans can't be wrong... wake up, take your tongue out of hiscarse and smell the coffee Maybe you should wind your neck in until Friday night and the transfer window is firmly closed… What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand |
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Post by bigandy99 on Aug 28, 2023 20:55:07 GMT
Maybe you should wind your neck in until Friday night and the transfer window is firmly closed… What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand My comment related to the way you had a go at somebody when there is still time for something to change.. I’m as concerned as the next fan but until Friday night we have to wait.. |
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Post by tingon on Aug 28, 2023 21:01:32 GMT
What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand My comment related to the way you had a go at somebody when there is still time for something to change.. I’m as concerned as the next fan but until Friday night we have to wait.. Let’s be realistic, nothing will change by Friday. The squad is so far off the pace in the weakest league one in a decade plus. Fans have every right to be angry. If 4 great players are brought in by Friday, then why has it been left so late? We’ve signed 1 player in 4 weeks despite clear signs the squad is lacking. We’ve let our only senior left back go and are left with an 18 year old who looks promising but realistically would be at national league level on current ability |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 21:05:35 GMT
Nothing wrong with being angry it's just the abuse that's unnacceptable.
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Post by Colly on Aug 28, 2023 21:06:19 GMT
What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand My comment related to the way you had a go at somebody when there is still time for something to change.. I’m as concerned as the next fan but until Friday night we have to wait.. Fair enough and I hope things work out by Friday... I just feel previous owners would have been ripped into and called cnuts by now...but with Charlie we are being told be patient and despite all the signs to the opposite, have faith...this week will be interesting |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 21:10:05 GMT
Maybe you should wind your neck in until Friday night and the transfer window is firmly closed… What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand Fella I suggest you go and post somewhere else if all your going to do is insult people. Calling me Methven's mouthpiece? Heard it all before and it's boring. Don't come here throwing your weight around matey. If you have a problem get in touch. Sponsor put money in to help TS out. I think you are getting confused. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Aug 28, 2023 22:08:47 GMT
Maybe you should wind your neck in until Friday night and the transfer window is firmly closed… What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand Stockley was pony this time last year and SE7 Partners sold him in January. His replacement is Leaburn who is injured and in the meantime we have May. Kirk doesn't even try and is on the payroll for another two years same as McGrandles and Aneke! Jaiyesimi did very little in his last appearance - but will be gone next June. In the meantime why not watch our new look attacking line up throughout September AKA Leaburn, CBT, May and Campbell x 2. We might all show some patience during this transition. |
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Post by Colly on Aug 28, 2023 22:58:12 GMT
What so seeing the chaos that is developing at Charlton and with 5 days until the window closes I should ' wind my neck information highlighting genuine concerns with what SE7 are doing? When Sandgaard first bought the club he bought Stockley, DJ and Kirk.. he put his money where his mouth was.. that soon went south, but at least he did something... what has Charlie boy and his mates done apart from buying May ( after a sponsored put the money in ) and whispers to his mouth piece. Wind my neck in !!!.. you need to take your head out of the sand Stockley was pony this time last year and SE7 Partners sold him in January. His replacement is Leaburn who is injured and in the meantime we have May. Kirk doesn't even try and is on the payroll for another two years same as McGrandles and Aneke! Jaiyesimi did very little in his last appearance - but will be gone next June. In the meantime why not watch our new look attacking line up throughout September AKA Leaburn, CBT, May and Campbell x 2. We might all show some patience during this transition. I didn't say they were any good !! Stockley had 1 good year but Kirk and DJ have been completely woeful... what I was getting at was at least they weren't loans or freebies... money was spent and there was initially intent |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Aug 28, 2023 23:17:49 GMT
Stockley was pony this time last year and SE7 Partners sold him in January. His replacement is Leaburn who is injured and in the meantime we have May. Kirk doesn't even try and is on the payroll for another two years same as McGrandles and Aneke! Jaiyesimi did very little in his last appearance - but will be gone next June. In the meantime why not watch our new look attacking line up throughout September AKA Leaburn, CBT, May and Campbell x 2. We might all show some patience during this transition. I didn't say they were any good !! Stockley had 1 good year but Kirk and DJ have been completely woeful... what I was getting at was at least they weren't loans or freebies... money was spent and there was initially intent Intent is a word I use all the time and I keep banging on about our owners needing to show intent but does that actually equate to bringing players in on a fee and a long contract on good money……look how that worked out for us with Kirk and Mcgrandles! I would be really interested to see how much in fees other clubs in league one have spent this season? I don’t recall Plymouth paying any fees last season yet their delve into the loan market was exceptional and was a big factor in them having the season they had I also think Wednesday only paid a fee for Famewo unless I am mistaken In my book showing intent is bringing in players that are going to definitely improve us, Camara, May and Edun IMO do this but we haven’t shown enough of it hence us having to play kids and hence where we currently are in the league I would hope the intent we show by Friday will at least give us some encoragement that we can compete at the other end of the table |
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 28, 2023 23:20:15 GMT
Stockley was pony this time last year and SE7 Partners sold him in January. His replacement is Leaburn who is injured and in the meantime we have May. Kirk doesn't even try and is on the payroll for another two years same as McGrandles and Aneke! Jaiyesimi did very little in his last appearance - but will be gone next June. In the meantime why not watch our new look attacking line up throughout September AKA Leaburn, CBT, May and Campbell x 2. We might all show some patience during this transition. I didn't say they were any good !! Stockley had 1 good year but Kirk and DJ have been completely woeful... what I was getting at was at least they weren't loans or freebies... money was spent and there was initially intent Ah so what you are saying then is as long as the owners are seen spending money, fans would be satisfied. Furthermore the incoming players don't have to be any good, just as long as the intent is there? Come to think of it that's exactly what you are saying! You want them to go down the TS road of buying players and putting them on three year contracts on decent wedge? The other option is we wait just a few days more for the right player to come along who we are not going to have to go back to square one with in 12 months time, desperately trying to get rid of them. |
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Post by bingaddick on Aug 28, 2023 23:56:06 GMT
I am perturbed by the events of the last few days because like all of us, I want our club not just to arrest the decline, but to start to rise again. I don't care if it's one window, three windows or half a dozen windows. It's the trajectory that is more important for me.
Since Curbs left and with odd seasons of success; under successive owners, we have shuffled the managerial pack far too frequently when, in most cases, the manager was being asked to make a gold threaded silk purse out of a manky old sows ear!
I am 64. I have had enough of egocentric tw*ts p*ssing around with our club.
When I started supporting the club in 1967, Michael Glicksten was the chairman/owner. The chant almost every season was "Glicksten out". The family took the club over in the 1930's. They oversaw success but failed to invest enough to sustain the club at the highest level.
Then came - Hulyer. Maybe he had the clubs best interests at heart but it lead to the winding up order, the rescue by Sunley and the move to Sellout Park. Under Lennie (and Reams father) the club looked as if it may have turned a corner but the move away was disaster.
Eventually Roger Alwyn, Richard Collins and then Murray - with a few other fan investors saw the return to the Valley and the building blocks of success on the pitch under Curbs.
Since we lost our PL status, the club has just fallen down and down. The baton was passed to a bunch of Spivs, a maverick Belgian and then some very dodgy characters. Sandgaard was just another maverick who thought he fancied running a football club - but clearly came up woefully short.
What I have learned about our new ownership, it appears to me to be the best set up since the 1990's under Murray & co.
It's absolutely clear to me that the current investors are in it for the long term with a professional club management structure underpinning what happens on the pitch.
So perturbed though I may be at the turn of events, we cannot blame the new owners for the shambolic state of our club both on and off the pitch that they have inherited.
Of course we want them to invest in the squad and I am prepared to accept what Reams has shared with us. Indeed, knowing him for many years, he has never been afraid to speak out, sometimes as a pretty lone voice, when he feels the club has taken the wrong direction.
Turning this club round is not going to be easy. I think most of us thought Holden was a decent straightforward bloke so I am sorry it ended this way but this is football. The start has been dire and we can't just say this is solely down to a thin squad.
So I will give the new owners the benefit of the doubt. The quid pro quo for my support is gradual, incremental and sustained improvement.
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Post by bowmanstash on Aug 29, 2023 6:17:29 GMT
We have just witnessed the worst start to a season in 30 plus years. We have been served utter dross for 14 of the last 15 seasons. So people need to understand the size of the challenge we face there will be no quick fix. Next few days are crucial to this season and probably decisive for a lot of fans on the new ownership.
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Post by sevenoaks on Aug 29, 2023 6:32:03 GMT
I am perturbed by the events of the last few days because like all of us, I want our club not just to arrest the decline, but to start to rise again. I don't care if it's one window, three windows or half a dozen windows. It's the trajectory that is more important for me. Since Curbs left and with odd seasons of success; under successive owners, we have shuffled the managerial pack far too frequently when, in most cases, the manager was being asked to make a gold threaded silk purse out of a manky old sows ear! I am 64. I have had enough of egocentric tw*ts p*ssing around with our club. When I started supporting the club in 1967, Michael Glicksten was the chairman/owner. The chant almost every season was "Glicksten out". The family took the club over in the 1930's. They oversaw success but failed to invest enough to sustain the club at the highest level. Then came - Hulyer. Maybe he had the clubs best interests at heart but it lead to the winding up order, the rescue by Sunley and the move to Sellout Park. Under Lennie (and Reams father) the club looked as if it may have turned a corner but the move away was disaster. Eventually Roger Alwyn, Richard Collins and then Murray - with a few other fan investors saw the return to the Valley and the building blocks of success on the pitch under Curbs. Since we lost our PL status, the club has just fallen down and down. The baton was passed to a bunch of Spivs, a maverick Belgian and then some very dodgy characters. Sandgaard was just another maverick who thought he fancied running a football club - but clearly came up woefully short. What I have learned about our new ownership, it appears to me to be the best set up since the 1990's under Murray & co. It's absolutely clear to me that the current investors are in it for the long term with a professional club management structure underpinning what happens on the pitch. So perturbed though I may be at the turn of events, we cannot blame the new owners for the shambolic state of our club both on and off the pitch that they have inherited. Of course we want them to invest in the squad and I am prepared to accept what Reams has shared with us. Indeed, knowing him for many years, he has never been afraid to speak out, sometimes as a pretty lone voice, when he feels the club has taken the wrong direction. Turning this club round is not going to be easy. I think most of us thought Holden was a decent straightforward bloke so I am sorry it ended this way but this is football. The start has been dire and we can't just say this is solely down to a thin squad. So I will give the new owners the benefit of the doubt. The quid pro quo for my support is gradual, incremental and sustained improvement. You started supporting, around the same time as me. I am 65 and have witnessed also this sad state of affairs for many years. I thank you for your balanced and reasoned post. I am looking forward to Jason Pearce's team on Saturday. Hopefully they will be much better set up... |
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Post by Colly on Aug 29, 2023 7:04:51 GMT
I didn't say they were any good !! Stockley had 1 good year but Kirk and DJ have been completely woeful... what I was getting at was at least they weren't loans or freebies... money was spent and there was initially intent Ah so what you are saying then is as long as the owners are seen spending money, fans would be satisfied. Furthermore the incoming players don't have to be any good, just as long as the intent is there? Come to think of it that's exactly what you are saying! You want them to go down the TS road of buying players and putting them on three year contracts on decent wedge? The other option is we wait just a few days more for the right player to come along who we are not going to have to go back to square one with in 12 months time, desperately trying to get rid of them. When Sandgaard first bought Stockley, Kirk and DJ I think most people thought they could be good signings.. |
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Post by Mundell on Aug 29, 2023 7:46:36 GMT
Under Thomas Sandgaard’s ownership we always had at least a top six wage bill and, in principle, ought to have been promotion contenders. The problem under Sandgaard wasn’t money, but how it was spent. His narcissistic personality led to chaos, dysfunction, poor judgement and lots of wasted money.
I’m optimistic that SE7 will do a lot better, though it’s clear that Sandgaard has left a mess of unwanted player contract liabilities which will need to be cleaned up and this may take time. That’s the good news, but there is an elephant in the room.
With apologies for mixing metaphors, Charlie Methven’s ill-judged interview with the Daily Telegraph has really put the cat amongst the pigeons. What did he mean when he talked about operating losses of £1-2m p.a.? If that’s simply an aspiration for when the club is in the Championship then perhaps we don’t need to worry about it, at least not for now, but if it’s indicative of what the investors have been told is possible while the club is playing in League One, then it’s obviously much more of a concern .
In the absence of Methven, or somebody else representing the club, issuing some kind of clarifying statement then it’s inevitable that fans will fear the worst. Moreover, and most importantly, these same fans may be much less likely than otherwise they might be, to give the club the benefit of the doubt if it chooses not to sign players, not because it can’t afford to, but because the ‘right’ players happen not to be available.
With respect to Charlie Methven, he needs to recognise that, righty or wrongly, everything he says will get dissected and analysed. Many people in many walks of life face this challenge and the solution is to take care with messaging and to issue clarification quickly if something gets lost in translation. My advice to him would be to address this now, even if fans may not be thrilled by the answer.
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Post by earlpurple on Aug 29, 2023 9:06:37 GMT
Thomas Sandgaard didn't sign those players, Steve Gallen did, and nobody gets it right all the time. Roland's network worked well in that regard - they had a Europe-wide scouting team, and could move players on quicker. The only player I thought was a Thomas Sandgaard signing with Schwartz, who never settled in the club at all.
We started with virtually nothing in 2020 and got players in quickly. Charlie Kirk was a decent player at Crewe and was a target in the winter window but when it fell through late they got in Jaiyesimi from Swindon instead, as they obviously felt they needed a player in that position.
Stockley worked quite well with Conor Washington. He was a total misfit last season when Washington left. In the early part of 2021-2022 under Nigel Adkins he was also too often a "target" but Johnnie Jackson had them playing better.
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Post by williep75 on Aug 29, 2023 9:16:35 GMT
Stockley was pony this time last year and SE7 Partners sold him in January. His replacement is Leaburn who is injured and in the meantime we have May. Kirk doesn't even try and is on the payroll for another two years same as McGrandles and Aneke! Jaiyesimi did very little in his last appearance - but will be gone next June. In the meantime why not watch our new look attacking line up throughout September AKA Leaburn, CBT, May and Campbell x 2. We might all show some patience during this transition. I didn't say they were any good !! Stockley had 1 good year but Kirk and DJ have been completely woeful... what I was getting at was at least they weren't loans or freebies... money was spent and there was initially intent So with your logic, you wanna see the new owners spend on players regardless if they are woeful?  ? and that is how we end up with a squad of players who are woeful! Bonkers |
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Post by Fans4Fans on Aug 29, 2023 9:22:33 GMT
A thread regarding new ownership…..all I see is historical blaming and deterring away from the real problem here.
Reams you have said money is there to spend and players will be coming in, let’s give these guys till Friday and strategise moving forward come Saturday.
Am I happy? No, do I trust the new group? No, should they be given E chance to get the right players in? Yes. So I think they will come? No.
I think many of us do not want this to fail but it’s difficult to ask for peoples patience after x amount of months of due diligence and then expecting everyone to be told what cake to eat and when. Quite frankly it’s embarrassing on their behalf. As I say a big week coming up and let’s just be more strategic in how we voice these concerns, I do not want this to blow up but have every belief it will. When and if that does happen I have some cobwebs laying underneath the coffin in regards to out new investors and all will be revealed Saturday at the minimum.
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Post by aaronaldo on Aug 29, 2023 9:30:39 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Aug 29, 2023 9:47:20 GMT
I personally don’t think Charlie is the problem here. My concern is Andy Scott. I’m pretty sure Andy Scott said to fans in December during a interview that he wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t funds to spend. That included utter tosh in Penney. Kane, Kilkenny & Bonne on free’s and loans I can’t even say he can cover himself in much glory in this summer window, which is possibly why Holden got the boot. This is a huge week for the owners & how this season will turn out. Very good post mate and welcome to the forum. |
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Post by earlpurple on Aug 29, 2023 9:48:37 GMT
Andy Scott is head of recruitment but there must be a full scouting network. Do we have that? He also needed time to assess where we currently are, i.e. the state of the squad and the players we have now.
What Andy Scott is not is a coach. He doesn't take the players onto the training field or pick the formation or the team that goes out to a match. That was Dean Holden's job.
If the way we are going to be more profitable (or less loss-making) is to develop Asiimwe, Anderson, Elewere, Kanu and Leaburn to the point of being able to sell them (or play them) then we have to develop them properly.
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