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Post by bannedfromcl on Sept 1, 2023 7:30:13 GMT
I Get the feeling Stockport fans found out he had been interviewed and he needed to get them fans back on side by saying he turned us down, Stockport is the place to be etc. etc.. Doubt he has ever been offered the job. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 1, 2023 7:48:09 GMT
I Get the feeling Stockport fans found out he had been interviewed and he needed to get them fans back on side by saying he turned us down, Stockport is the place to be etc. etc.. Doubt he has ever been offered the job. In executive recruitment the norm is for candidates to get approached for jobs (they don’t apply). When called, they might immediately say that they’re not interested or, alternatively, might have an exploratory interview before saying they don’t want to proceed. Either way, candidates may be able to say ‘I turned the job down’ without ever actually having been offered it. That’s almost certainly what’s happened here. Both Darren Ferguson and Dave Challinor would have been on our long list. Both were approached and both declined. Neither were offered the job. Nor is there any certainty they would have been appointed even if they’d wanted it. While I’m posting I’d add that I find the mindset of some of the fans on the ‘other forum’ is bizarre. As an example, Dave Challinor has been vilified by some on the grounds that he’s ‘only’ managed Stockport, despite his significant managerial experience and record of success. This from the same people who are close to delirium whenever we appoint an ex player as manager even though, at the time, they might have no managerial experience whatsoever. |
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Post by jonkool on Sept 1, 2023 8:21:53 GMT
I Get the feeling Stockport fans found out he had been interviewed and he needed to get them fans back on side by saying he turned us down, Stockport is the place to be etc. etc.. Doubt he has ever been offered the job. In executive recruitment the norm is for candidates to get approached for jobs (they don’t apply). When called, they might immediately say that they’re not interested or, alternatively, might have an exploratory interview before saying they don’t want to proceed. Either way, candidates may be able to say ‘I turned the job down’ without ever actually having been offered it. That’s almost certainly what’s happened here. Both Darren Ferguson and Dave Challinor would have been on our long list. Both were approached and both declined. Neither were offered the job. Nor is there any certainty they would have been appointed even if they’d wanted it. While I’m posting I’d add that I find the mindset of some of the fans on the ‘other forum’ is bizarre. As an example, Dave Challinor has been vilified by some on the grounds that he’s ‘only’ managed Stockport, despite his significant managerial experience and record of success. This from the same people who are close to delirium whenever we appoint an ex player as manager even though, at the time, they might have no managerial experience whatsoever. Yes the fixation on ‘good ol boys’ who are ex players is so 20th century thinking. We live in a digital information society where performance can be partly measured with the ‘X Factor’ determination carried out by way of references and meeting with a potential candidate. If we look at Chris his most successful managerial job was in SE7 when heavily financially backed in 2010/11. Maybe the other forum could be considered as Luddite’s Life 😉 |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 1, 2023 10:13:34 GMT
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Post by madz on Sept 1, 2023 10:27:38 GMT
Yeah i just read this same article. This bit interested me: "The South London Press understands that it had been mooted to Holden that he needed someone more experienced to aide or mentor him but the Mancunian would not countenance a change, preferring to stick with his coaching team of Anthony Hayes and Danny Senda, who had both been promoted from the club’s academy." Sounds like they gave him an opportunity to stay in the role but he had to get some experienced help, which he didn't want. Maybe he didn't want people treading on his toes, which is understandable and could be seen as undermining. I wonder how long before his sacking this was "mooted". |
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Post by herewego on Sept 1, 2023 10:28:09 GMT
Darren Moore on Sky Sports says he’s ready to get back into management. Hopefully Charlton have interviewed him.
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Post by addickryan on Sept 1, 2023 11:15:02 GMT
Darren Moore on Sky Sports says he’s ready to get back into management. Hopefully Charlton have interviewed him. They have |
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Post by se7sm on Sept 1, 2023 11:55:32 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri issues statement over Darren Moore's exit. Sheffield Wednesday's owner has claimed he was forced to let manager Darren Moore leave the club after he demanded a four-fold salary increase. I think you can put this one out of your heads.
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Post by surridgecobbler5 on Sept 1, 2023 12:02:56 GMT
Right now Moore has ZERO salary so a lot less leverage !
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Post by sevenoaks on Sept 1, 2023 12:06:17 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri issues statement over Darren Moore's exit. Sheffield Wednesday's owner has claimed he was forced to let manager Darren Moore leave the club after he demanded a four-fold salary increase. I think you can put this one out of your heads. I thought Darren Moore, put out a statement denying that. |
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Post by surridgecobbler5 on Sept 1, 2023 12:09:55 GMT
Very interesting issue of Holden's tactical issues. He certainly didn't react very quickly with subs nor seem the see where we were often exposed in wide areas and in the counterattack. Playing long balls to May as well was futile.
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Post by se7sm on Sept 1, 2023 13:09:08 GMT
Right now Moore has ZERO salary so a lot less leverage ! yeah through his own fault, greedy |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2023 13:21:58 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri issues statement over Darren Moore's exit. Sheffield Wednesday's owner has claimed he was forced to let manager Darren Moore leave the club after he demanded a four-fold salary increase. I think you can put this one out of your heads. That was weeks ago. I remember putting it on here myself. |
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Post by se7sm on Sept 1, 2023 13:27:40 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday owner Dejphon Chansiri issues statement over Darren Moore's exit. Sheffield Wednesday's owner has claimed he was forced to let manager Darren Moore leave the club after he demanded a four-fold salary increase. I think you can put this one out of your heads. That was weeks ago. I remember putting it on here myself. yeah pointing out reams that we probably won’t be able to afford his wage demands |
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2023 14:08:10 GMT
Somebody has just emailed my to ask if the salaries that CM, JR and AS have put themselves on has maybe contributed heavily on us sailing so close to the wind on FFP? So close infact that we can't buy players.
Im not one to discuss people's salaries but it is a topic worth open to debate.
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Post by discocafc on Sept 1, 2023 14:11:32 GMT
Somebody has just emailed my to ask if the salaries that CM, JR and AS have put themselves on has maybe contributed heavily on us sailing so close to the wind on FFP? So close infact that we can't buy players. Im not one to discuss people's salaries but it is a topic worth open to debate. Would make sense why we’re not being ambitious |
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Post by statto on Sept 1, 2023 14:15:32 GMT
Methven just a broker, has no active role in club affairs...
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Post by steve2707 on Sept 1, 2023 14:20:31 GMT
I thought someone had said, on the Transfer thread, it's only player's wages that counted to FFP?
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Post by steve2707 on Sept 1, 2023 14:29:03 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2023 14:40:56 GMT
In executive recruitment the norm is for candidates to get approached for jobs (they don’t apply). When called, they might immediately say that they’re not interested or, alternatively, might have an exploratory interview before saying they don’t want to proceed. Either way, candidates may be able to say ‘I turned the job down’ without ever actually having been offered it. That’s almost certainly what’s happened here. Both Darren Ferguson and Dave Challinor would have been on our long list. Both were approached and both declined. Neither were offered the job. Nor is there any certainty they would have been appointed even if they’d wanted it. While I’m posting I’d add that I find the mindset of some of the fans on the ‘other forum’ is bizarre. As an example, Dave Challinor has been vilified by some on the grounds that he’s ‘only’ managed Stockport, despite his significant managerial experience and record of success. This from the same people who are close to delirium whenever we appoint an ex player as manager even though, at the time, they might have no managerial experience whatsoever. Yes the fixation on ‘good ol boys’ who are ex players is so 20th century thinking. We live in a digital information society where performance can be partly measured with the ‘X Factor’ determination carried out by way of references and meeting with a potential candidate. If we look at Chris his most successful managerial job was in SE7 when heavily financially backed in 2010/11. Maybe the other forum could be considered as Luddite’s Life 😉 On CL scoham , redoctober (who posts as SHG) and CallumCAFC post all about the football. Then we have the old guard continuously deflecting with essays about Methven being bad, owning the Valley, and/or how a Cat 1 Academy is essential to progress. And a multitude talking of the need for five new signings and/or marquee signings. Then we have CASTrust who have just issued commiserations for Holden whilst conflating the last 17 years and declaring war on SE7 Partners. This is the fan landscape we live in. We've lost five in a row which is pretty bad. But who expects us to lose five in September? Of course fans are right to be worried but... Fortunately most on here are aware that Andy Scott is Technical Director running the football side. Never met the guy but seen his interviews and the general direction taken. So let's pay attention to how we play, who he appoints as manager and what he has to say. Note that it will take another 12 months coaching, two windows and the appointment of a performance director before we can really judge whether we're going in the right direction. All the rest is noise! |
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Post by keepthefaith on Sept 1, 2023 14:43:05 GMT
To answer the question in the title, it really wouldn't surprise me if it's Jason Pearce until December / January now, as there clearly wasn't anybody lined up to replace Holden
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2023 14:52:38 GMT
To answer the question in the title, it really wouldn't surprise me if it's Jason Pearce until December / January now, as there clearly wasn't anybody lined up to replace Holden Let's see how we go tomorrow- that might affect the thinking by Scott and rest of SMT. Much depends upon how candidates come across at interview. |
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Post by Mundell on Sept 1, 2023 15:54:07 GMT
Somebody has just emailed my to ask if the salaries that CM, JR and AS have put themselves on has maybe contributed heavily on us sailing so close to the wind on FFP? So close infact that we can't buy players. Im not one to discuss people's salaries but it is a topic worth open to debate. No. Only player’s wages count and even these exclude the wages of players U21 on the 1st January this year. |
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Post by squareball on Sept 1, 2023 16:04:06 GMT
We’re nowhere near FFP. It’s an excuse because we are potless.
We must now, after 2 windows, consider the possibility that the Americans are lenders and not investors. It explains why we have no money as Charlie gave half of it to the banjo man and the other half keeps the club going for 2 years. It also explains why we haven’t heard from them nor will we. As a return they get 5+% each just as Charlie got his part.
We are weaker now than last season but we will be okay in mid table.
Regarding the manager if Pearce does well he might get the job as he’s already on the payroll but time will tell.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 1, 2023 16:11:46 GMT
Yes the fixation on ‘good ol boys’ who are ex players is so 20th century thinking. We live in a digital information society where performance can be partly measured with the ‘X Factor’ determination carried out by way of references and meeting with a potential candidate. If we look at Chris his most successful managerial job was in SE7 when heavily financially backed in 2010/11. Maybe the other forum could be considered as Luddite’s Life 😉 On CL scoham , redoctober (who posts as SHG) and CallumCAFC post all about the football. Then we have the old guard continuously deflecting with essays about Methven being bad, owning the Valley, and/or how a Cat 1 Academy is essential to progress. And a multitude talking of the need for five new signings and/or marquee signings. Then we have CASTrust who have just issued commiserations for Holden whilst conflating the last 17 years and declaring war on SE7 Partners. This is the fan landscape we live in. We've lost five in a row which is pretty bad. But who expects us to lose five in September? Of course fans are right to be worried but... Fortunately most on here are aware that Andy Scott is Technical Director running the football side. Never met the guy but seen his interviews and the general direction taken. So let's pay attention to how we play, who he appoints as manager and what he has to say. Note that it will take another 12 months coaching, two windows and the appointment of a performance director before we can really judge whether we're going in the right direction. All the rest is noise! I agree. It’s now clear that the SE7 strategy calls for a slow burn. They’ll be no quick fix. We’re going to have to be patient. Given football’s inherent randomness we may get ‘lucky’ and progress quickly, but that’s not the base case. In the meantime, we’ll need to look at the individual decisions taken and ask whether they are consistent with a clear and consistent strategy. The choice of Head Coach will be interesting. It may be hard to judge which candidates fit the bill, but I’d imagine there are two absolutely essential requirements. First, the club needs someone who is not just willing, but enthusiastic about being part of an operating model in which there is a Technical Director and a Director of Performance. We should be concerned if there are any doubts about this. Second, as estreet posted a few days ago, we need someone who is primarily a coach who will improve the players, individually and collectively, rather than someone who is primarily a man-manager whose skill set is getting the best out of experienced players. I’m sure Andy Scott is on the case. He needs a soul mate, not a problem. |
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Post by richmondse10exile on Sept 1, 2023 16:13:05 GMT
With money to spend we could now have a spree on player managers … |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 16:17:59 GMT
Neil Lennon also known as the ginger pep latest to be interviewed. 😉
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Post by somerton on Sept 1, 2023 16:20:09 GMT
On CL scoham , redoctober (who posts as SHG) and CallumCAFC post all about the football. Then we have the old guard continuously deflecting with essays about Methven being bad, owning the Valley, and/or how a Cat 1 Academy is essential to progress. And a multitude talking of the need for five new signings and/or marquee signings. Then we have CASTrust who have just issued commiserations for Holden whilst conflating the last 17 years and declaring war on SE7 Partners. This is the fan landscape we live in. We've lost five in a row which is pretty bad. But who expects us to lose five in September? Of course fans are right to be worried but... Fortunately most on here are aware that Andy Scott is Technical Director running the football side. Never met the guy but seen his interviews and the general direction taken. So let's pay attention to how we play, who he appoints as manager and what he has to say. Note that it will take another 12 months coaching, two windows and the appointment of a performance director before we can really judge whether we're going in the right direction. All the rest is noise! I agree. It’s now clear that the SE7 strategy calls for a slow burn. They’ll be no quick fix. We’re going to have to be patient. Given football’s inherent randomness we may get ‘lucky’ and progress quickly, but that’s not the base case. In the meantime, we’ll need to look at the individual decisions taken and ask whether they are consistent with a clear and consistent strategy. The choice of Head Coach will be interesting. It may be hard to judge which candidates fit the bill, but I’d imagine there are two absolutely essential requirements. First, the club needs someone who is not just willing, but enthusiastic about being part of an operating model in which there is a Technical Director and a Director of Performance. We should be concerned if there are any doubts about this. Second, as estreet posted a few days ago, we need someone who is primarily a coach who will improve the players, individually and collectively, rather than someone who is primarily a man-manager whose skill set is getting the best out of experienced players. I’m sure Andy Scott is on the case. He needs a soul mate, not a problem. |
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Post by somerton on Sept 1, 2023 16:22:47 GMT
Is? "it will be slow burn" a euphemism for relegation.
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Post by Mundell on Sept 1, 2023 16:39:50 GMT
No!!
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