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Post by jonkool on May 16, 2024 8:41:47 GMT
As a realist my pick would be Birmingham and Huddersfield as autos, with Rotherham, Reading or Barnsley getting the play off slot. We would need a significant squad improvement to challenge and I can't see that happening. Top half finish next season but there are at least 7 teams that are (at the time of writing) better than us. The great unknown to us fans and potentially bookmakers is the financial position of each club particularly those who have been fighting g to stay afloat in the highly competitive tier 2. Activity in the transfer market is a useful clue but the fair play issues have yet to bite as at present no club in the tier 3 this coming season starts the season with minus points. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 16, 2024 10:22:15 GMT
As a realist my pick would be Birmingham and Huddersfield as autos, with Rotherham, Reading or Barnsley getting the play off slot. We would need a significant squad improvement to challenge and I can't see that happening. Top half finish next season but there are at least 7 teams that are (at the time of writing) better than us. I think that anything less that a real challenge for a top six finish and the atmosphere at The Valley will become toxic. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 16, 2024 10:34:10 GMT
As a realist my pick would be Birmingham and Huddersfield as autos, with Rotherham, Reading or Barnsley getting the play off slot. We would need a significant squad improvement to challenge and I can't see that happening. Top half finish next season but there are at least 7 teams that are (at the time of writing) better than us. You can’t see us getting a significant squad improvement for us to challenge? Interested to know what you are basing your opinion on? NJ has said the squad will look completely different come the beginning of the season with the very vast majority coming in as new first team starters and NJ has the final say so on who comes in…….so do you not have confidence in NJ to bring in the right quality in for us to challenge? Interesting that the bookies have us down as 8th favourites even after us being utter toilet at times last season……maybe they know we are going to spend a bit but at this stage they don’t know how much. 🤔🤔🤔 Blimey I can hear myself sounding a bit like Seriously Red 😳………but I think we should see where we are come August 10th…..🤣🤣 I probably see myself as a half glass full supporter impressed with what NJ has done so far looking forward to the summer rebuild and some much needed quality coming into the building…….. Interested to know from other posters at this stage if they are half glass full or half glass empty?….and if half glass empty what there reasons are? |
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Post by leedsaddick on May 16, 2024 11:02:16 GMT
As a realist my pick would be Birmingham and Huddersfield as autos, with Rotherham, Reading or Barnsley getting the play off slot. We would need a significant squad improvement to challenge and I can't see that happening. Top half finish next season but there are at least 7 teams that are (at the time of writing) better than us. You can’t see us getting a significant squad improvement for us to challenge? Interested to know what you are basing your opinion on? NJ has said the squad will look completely different come the beginning of the season with the very vast majority coming in as new first team starters and NJ has the final say so on who comes in…….so do you not have confidence in NJ to bring in the right quality in for us to challenge? Interesting that the bookies have us down as 8th favourites even after us being utter toilet at times last season……maybe they know we are going to spend a bit but at this stage they don’t know how much. 🤔🤔🤔 Blimey I see myself sounding a bit like Seriously Red but I think we should see where we are come August 10th…..🤣🤣 I probably see myself as a half glass full supporter impressed with what NJ has done so far looking forward to the summer rebuild and some much needed quality coming into the building…….. Interested to know from other posters at this stage if they are half glass full or half glass empty?….and if half glass empty what there reasons are? Normally, I’m quite positive and like you, I think NJ has done a great job with the current squad. I’m probably on the half empty side of the equation. The reason, is not down to the Ownership providing funding, but getting players to relocate to the South East. It’s expensive and as a player, it’s reasonable to have an expectation that can afford to live in that part of the world. So for example, Huddersfield and West Yorkshire is cheaper than the South East and it’s easier to get around. Chris Kamara lives close to me in Kirkhamgate, which is near the M62/M1, so getting to Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield is easy For me the glass is half empty, but I’m happy to be proved wrong, and have my glass replenished! 😂😂 |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 16, 2024 11:16:25 GMT
You can’t see us getting a significant squad improvement for us to challenge? Interested to know what you are basing your opinion on? NJ has said the squad will look completely different come the beginning of the season with the very vast majority coming in as new first team starters and NJ has the final say so on who comes in…….so do you not have confidence in NJ to bring in the right quality in for us to challenge? Interesting that the bookies have us down as 8th favourites even after us being utter toilet at times last season……maybe they know we are going to spend a bit but at this stage they don’t know how much. 🤔🤔🤔 Blimey I see myself sounding a bit like Seriously Red but I think we should see where we are come August 10th…..🤣🤣 I probably see myself as a half glass full supporter impressed with what NJ has done so far looking forward to the summer rebuild and some much needed quality coming into the building…….. Interested to know from other posters at this stage if they are half glass full or half glass empty?….and if half glass empty what there reasons are? Normally, I’m quite positive and like you, I think NJ has done a great job with the current squad. I’m probably on the half empty side of the equation. The reason, is not down to the Ownership providing funding, but getting players to relocate to the South East. It’s expensive and as a player, it’s reasonable to have an expectation that can afford to live in that part of the world. So for example, Huddersfield and West Yorkshire is cheaper than the South East and it’s easier to get around. Chris Kamara lives close to me in Kirkhamgate, which is near the M62/M1, so getting to Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield is easy For me the glass is half empty, but I’m happy to be proved wrong, and have my glass replenished! 😂😂 That’s an interesting viewpoint Leeds, Personally i think that may have been the reason why JCH didn’t join us in January as maybe he would prefer a northern move…..I think our terms offered then would have outstripped the current Rotherham terms offered to him now.🤔 But you know there are plenty of quality players that NJ can scope from down there in the south……….🤣🤣 |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 16, 2024 11:47:39 GMT
Normally, I’m quite positive and like you, I think NJ has done a great job with the current squad. I’m probably on the half empty side of the equation. The reason, is not down to the Ownership providing funding, but getting players to relocate to the South East. It’s expensive and as a player, it’s reasonable to have an expectation that can afford to live in that part of the world. So for example, Huddersfield and West Yorkshire is cheaper than the South East and it’s easier to get around. Chris Kamara lives close to me in Kirkhamgate, which is near the M62/M1, so getting to Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield is easy For me the glass is half empty, but I’m happy to be proved wrong, and have my glass replenished! 😂😂 That’s an interesting viewpoint Leeds, Personally i think that may have been the reason why JCH didn’t join us in January as maybe he would prefer a northern move…..I think our terms offered then would have outstripped the current Rotherham terms offered to him now.🤔 But you know there are plenty of quality players that NJ can scope from down there in the south……….🤣🤣 For me, the issue is that we need so much surgery, to the squad, to be able to compete with those that finished top eight last season, and the three that are coming down, and Wrexham. In the summer of 2019 Jones signed ten players for Stoke and they started the season with two wins and two draws in the first fifteen games. That's 8 points out of a possible 45. That's not me knocking Jones but when a club makes that many changes it is unlikely that the team will gel straight away. We all know that signing players is very difficult. None of the current management team have given any evidence that they know how to scout, and sign, quality League One players, and we, probably need more than half a team. The reason that people, often, talk about the summer of 2011 is, exactly, because it is very difficult to achieve that much team building in one transfer window. Also, Chris Powel, and others, started the recruitment process in January, and Charlton were a much, much bigger draw in the third division then. I think that Jones will end up with a totally different squad by August - he, kind of, has to as half of the players have left. I just think it's a lot to expect enough change in one window. My best guess is that this summer will be the start of a building program that will take, at least, two windows, and probably two summers before we will be able to achieve the two points a game that is required. Remember that we are, most likely, to start behind the clubs that have had to do less squad surgery while our new team gels. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on May 16, 2024 12:01:56 GMT
That’s an interesting viewpoint Leeds, Personally i think that may have been the reason why JCH didn’t join us in January as maybe he would prefer a northern move…..I think our terms offered then would have outstripped the current Rotherham terms offered to him now.🤔 But you know there are plenty of quality players that NJ can scope from down there in the south……….🤣🤣 For me, the issue is that we need so much surgery, to the squad, to be able to compete with those that finished top eight last season, and the three that are coming down, and Wrexham. In the summer of 2019 Jones signed ten players for Stoke and they started the season with two wins and two draws in the first fifteen games. That's 8 points out of a possible 45. That's not me knocking Jones but when a club makes that many changes it is unlikely that the team will gel straight away. We all know that signing players is very difficult. None of the current management team have given any evidence that they know how to scout, and sign, quality League One players, and we, probably need more than half a team. The reason that people, often, talk about the summer of 2011 is, exactly, because it is very difficult to achieve that much team building in one transfer window. Also, Chris Powel, and others, started the recruitment process in January, and Charlton were a much, much bigger draw in the third division then. I think that Jones will end up with a totally different squad by August - he, kind of, has to as half of the players have left. I just think it's a lot to expect enough change in one window. My best guess is that this summer will be the start of a building program that will take, at least, two windows, and probably two summers before we will be able to achieve the two points a game that is required. Remember that we are, most likely, to start behind the clubs that have had to do less squad surgery while our new team gels. Agreed it is far more difficult to put together a team like Powell did on the Jenkinson money but haven’t Wigan,Portsmouth and Plymouth proved more recently it can be done in one summer……Plymouth basically brought in some absolute quality loans to go with there existing player base and it got them up……Even little old Lincoln went on a crazy run in the end of the season and very nearly made the playoffs where anything can happen? Some great points made though…….shall I put you in the half glass empty group? 🤣🤣 |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 16, 2024 12:33:17 GMT
For me, the issue is that we need so much surgery, to the squad, to be able to compete with those that finished top eight last season, and the three that are coming down, and Wrexham. In the summer of 2019 Jones signed ten players for Stoke and they started the season with two wins and two draws in the first fifteen games. That's 8 points out of a possible 45. That's not me knocking Jones but when a club makes that many changes it is unlikely that the team will gel straight away. We all know that signing players is very difficult. None of the current management team have given any evidence that they know how to scout, and sign, quality League One players, and we, probably need more than half a team. The reason that people, often, talk about the summer of 2011 is, exactly, because it is very difficult to achieve that much team building in one transfer window. Also, Chris Powel, and others, started the recruitment process in January, and Charlton were a much, much bigger draw in the third division then. I think that Jones will end up with a totally different squad by August - he, kind of, has to as half of the players have left. I just think it's a lot to expect enough change in one window. My best guess is that this summer will be the start of a building program that will take, at least, two windows, and probably two summers before we will be able to achieve the two points a game that is required. Remember that we are, most likely, to start behind the clubs that have had to do less squad surgery while our new team gels. Agreed it is far more difficult to put together a team like Powell did on the Jenkinson money but haven’t Wigan,Portsmouth and Plymouth proved more recently it can be done in one summer……Plymouth basically brought in some absolute quality loans to go with there existing player base and it got them up……Even little old Lincoln went on a crazy run in the end of the season and very nearly made the playoffs where anything can happen? Some great points made though…….shall I put you in the half glass empty group? 🤣🤣 You are, of course, completely correct - anything can happen. We could get lucky and storm the division next season with three new players and three outstanding loans. Two of those three teams you mention, though, were much stronger in the season before they won promotion. Plymouth finished 7th the season before won the title, and Pompey finished 8th. Wigan did manage, something of, a miracle in 2021/22, all be it that their form in the last third of the season before was much better (21 points from 14 games), but they did spend a small fortune and committed wages that caused them to be docked 6 points the next season and another 8 the season after. Strangely I consider myself a glass half full kind of person. |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 16, 2024 22:53:47 GMT
For me, the issue is that we need so much surgery, to the squad, to be able to compete with those that finished top eight last season, and the three that are coming down, and Wrexham. In the summer of 2019 Jones signed ten players for Stoke and they started the season with two wins and two draws in the first fifteen games. That's 8 points out of a possible 45. That's not me knocking Jones but when a club makes that many changes it is unlikely that the team will gel straight away. We all know that signing players is very difficult. None of the current management team have given any evidence that they know how to scout, and sign, quality League One players, and we, probably need more than half a team. The reason that people, often, talk about the summer of 2011 is, exactly, because it is very difficult to achieve that much team building in one transfer window. Also, Chris Powel, and others, started the recruitment process in January, and Charlton were a much, much bigger draw in the third division then. I think that Jones will end up with a totally different squad by August - he, kind of, has to as half of the players have left. I just think it's a lot to expect enough change in one window. My best guess is that this summer will be the start of a building program that will take, at least, two windows, and probably two summers before we will be able to achieve the two points a game that is required. Remember that we are, most likely, to start behind the clubs that have had to do less squad surgery while our new team gels. Agreed it is far more difficult to put together a team like Powell did on the Jenkinson money but haven’t Wigan,Portsmouth and Plymouth proved more recently it can be done in one summer……Plymouth basically brought in some absolute quality loans to go with there existing player base and it got them up……Even little old Lincoln went on a crazy run in the end of the season and very nearly made the playoffs where anything can happen? Some great points made though…….shall I put you in the half glass empty group? 🤣🤣 We can stick to the league table for 23/24 or we can look at the xG and xpoints for our final 16 games which place us 10th. For me the questions are: Do we have sufficient budgets to break back into the top six? Probably yes, especially with eight Academy players not counting Do we have sufficient calibre of executives, football mgt & scouts? Probably but time will tell Can we source and land talent ahead of the competition? Aside from Wrexham, it's hard to tell who will bid big. One could say more, but perhaps we simply need to wait for the window to open... plus any announcements and interviews. |
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Post by surridgecobbler5 on May 18, 2024 17:53:01 GMT
The League looks stronger in the coming season....We need to see the signings coming in to have a true picture of our chances.
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Post by valley on May 18, 2024 17:57:51 GMT
The League looks stronger in the coming season....We need to see the signings coming in to have a true picture of our chances. At least Charlie was at Wembley today see what it takes too win a play off final. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 18, 2024 18:28:13 GMT
The League looks stronger in the coming season....We need to see the signings coming in to have a true picture of our chances. At least Charlie was at Wembley today see what it takes too win a play off final. To be fair all he would have learned today is that the easiest way to win a final is for the other team’s players to fail to turn up! |
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Post by paulgdownunder on May 19, 2024 9:32:48 GMT
Keeping Small and May might be critical,to progress against the odds
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Post by earlpurple on May 19, 2024 9:43:00 GMT
Oxford United were promoted in the playoffs after finishing 19th the previous season. That shows you can finish low down in the league and then make the playoffs the following season and get promoted. We just came 16th, which would have been 17th without Reading's points deduction.
We went into last season with reasonably high expectations, feeling we had a decent squad and could do with just a couple of improvements, and with the transfer window still open and the new board in place, that might have happened, but it did not. Instead they fired Dean Holden and brought in Michael Appleton and did not make those key improvements at the time.
I heard noises that the team were not fit enough and Holden was blamed for that and was a key reason he was let go.
The last 2 seasons, the team that just missed the playoffs the previous season then got an automatic promotion, i.e. Derby just now and Plymouth before that. The season before they didn't - that was us. "That will be us next season..." as we'd just beaten Hull 1-0 but Oxford had taken the last playoff place by beating Burton. Nigel Adkins had steadied things and we were in good form, and some players had returned from injury. We were all optimistic as we waited for the squad improvements to come as the transfer window opened, but whilst Ipswich, Wigan and MK Dons were all signing players, we were holding back and waiting.
"We want the right players.." said Ged Roddy. But the players we wanted obviously didn't want to play for us at the salaries being offered. "It's the agents' faults being greedy". Not really, if you want Championship level players to get promoted you have to offer them the right salaries. But it was true that Wigan were paying over-the-odds wages and we know it got them promoted but they went straight back down again with points deductions. MK Dons nearly got promoted - narrowly missed the automatic spots then lost the first leg 2-0 at Wycombe and in spite of a lot of pressure could not get through. The next year they were relegated. Why? Because maybe the money had run out? Maybe they'd gambled and could not afford to keep it up. Ipswich meanwhile came 10th - after getting rid of Paul Cook (a manager us fans thought we wanted) they brought in eventually Kieran McKenna and gave him time. They also gave him a decent budget to complete the job.
As for us, we released an obviously dejected Nigel Adkins who was obviously put in the usual non-disclosure clause so he couldn't talk about what happened, and let Johnnie Jackson run the show with the squad we had. It wasn't always pretty but we fought hard and came in 13th. Ged Roddy was also let go, but wasn't properly replaced. No, Martin Sandgaard could do just as well. Well to be honest I'm not sure he didn't do worse than Ged Roddy but clearly that wasn't the answer.
Meanwhile, where did this rise of Plymouth Argyle come from? Under Nigel Adkins we beat them 6-0 away. The year we were relegated from the Championship on the final game, Bolton were relegated from League One having started with a bare squad of youth and a points deduction and were lucky to still have a club - saved in the last moments when Bury were not. But after getting promoted back up the next season as 3rd have been consistently better than us.
Derby and Sheffield Wednesday both came down with points deductions, financial issues and embargos but yet have both gone back up again.
So what, exactly, do we need to do?
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Post by valley on May 19, 2024 9:55:18 GMT
We should be championship.
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Post by valley on May 19, 2024 10:13:22 GMT
Derby and Sheffield Wednesday are massive clubs.
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Post by earlpurple on May 19, 2024 10:15:14 GMT
We should be championship. We have been in League One all but 1 of the last 8 seasons, and since we were relegated from the Premier League in 2007, we have spent just 7 seasons in the Championship and 10 in League One, which will become 11 next season Why should we be in the Championship? And how do we get back there? Of the teams in our league, Bolton and Wigan were in the Premier League more recently than us. Bolton were there a lot more seasons than us, Wigan the same number in total. |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 19, 2024 13:14:07 GMT
Oxford United were promoted in the playoffs after finishing 19th the previous season. That shows you can finish low down in the league and then make the playoffs the following season and get promoted. We just came 16th, which would have been 17th without Reading's points deduction. We went into last season with reasonably high expectations, feeling we had a decent squad and could do with just a couple of improvements, and with the transfer window still open and the new board in place, that might have happened, but it did not. Instead they fired Dean Holden and brought in Michael Appleton and did not make those key improvements at the time. I heard noises that the team were not fit enough and Holden was blamed for that and was a key reason he was let go. The last 2 seasons, the team that just missed the playoffs the previous season then got an automatic promotion, i.e. Derby just now and Plymouth before that. The season before they didn't - that was us. "That will be us next season..." as we'd just beaten Hull 1-0 but Oxford had taken the last playoff place by beating Burton. Nigel Adkins had steadied things and we were in good form, and some players had returned from injury. We were all optimistic as we waited for the squad improvements to come as the transfer window opened, but whilst Ipswich, Wigan and MK Dons were all signing players, we were holding back and waiting. "We want the right players.." said Ged Roddy. But the players we wanted obviously didn't want to play for us at the salaries being offered. "It's the agents' faults being greedy". Not really, if you want Championship level players to get promoted you have to offer them the right salaries. But it was true that Wigan were paying over-the-odds wages and we know it got them promoted but they went straight back down again with points deductions. MK Dons nearly got promoted - narrowly missed the automatic spots then lost the first leg 2-0 at Wycombe and in spite of a lot of pressure could not get through. The next year they were relegated. Why? Because maybe the money had run out? Maybe they'd gambled and could not afford to keep it up. Ipswich meanwhile came 10th - after getting rid of Paul Cook (a manager us fans thought we wanted) they brought in eventually Kieran McKenna and gave him time. They also gave him a decent budget to complete the job. As for us, we released an obviously dejected Nigel Adkins who was obviously put in the usual non-disclosure clause so he couldn't talk about what happened, and let Johnnie Jackson run the show with the squad we had. It wasn't always pretty but we fought hard and came in 13th. Ged Roddy was also let go, but wasn't properly replaced. No, Martin Sandgaard could do just as well. Well to be honest I'm not sure he didn't do worse than Ged Roddy but clearly that wasn't the answer. Meanwhile, where did this rise of Plymouth Argyle come from? Under Nigel Adkins we beat them 6-0 away. The year we were relegated from the Championship on the final game, Bolton were relegated from League One having started with a bare squad of youth and a points deduction and were lucky to still have a club - saved in the last moments when Bury were not. But after getting promoted back up the next season as 3rd have been consistently better than us. Derby and Sheffield Wednesday both came down with points deductions, financial issues and embargos but yet have both gone back up again. So what, exactly, do we need to do? I make you right on all of that! In chronological order, Zynex share price dropped and it appeared Sandgaard could no longer cash out $30M per annum as he did the year he acquired CAFC. Sandgaard then went on to appoint executives who simply didn't last the course. Dean Holden steadied the ship and managed things as the 2022 squad were shown an exit. Mid-table appeared reasonable season 2022/23 but converting to a top six contender really isn't as simple as we fans writing it on a message board! Today the club have been clear, and the fans are aligned in a desire to recruit six quality additions to the Matchday 18, perhaps more. These players need to be ready for the first XI, but not clear how Jones intends to play. Let's see where we are 10th August. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 20, 2024 8:37:19 GMT
Oxford United were promoted in the playoffs after finishing 19th the previous season. That shows you can finish low down in the league and then make the playoffs the following season and get promoted. We just came 16th, which would have been 17th without Reading's points deduction. We went into last season with reasonably high expectations, feeling we had a decent squad and could do with just a couple of improvements, and with the transfer window still open and the new board in place, that might have happened, but it did not. Instead they fired Dean Holden and brought in Michael Appleton and did not make those key improvements at the time. I heard noises that the team were not fit enough and Holden was blamed for that and was a key reason he was let go. The last 2 seasons, the team that just missed the playoffs the previous season then got an automatic promotion, i.e. Derby just now and Plymouth before that. The season before they didn't - that was us. "That will be us next season..." as we'd just beaten Hull 1-0 but Oxford had taken the last playoff place by beating Burton. Nigel Adkins had steadied things and we were in good form, and some players had returned from injury. We were all optimistic as we waited for the squad improvements to come as the transfer window opened, but whilst Ipswich, Wigan and MK Dons were all signing players, we were holding back and waiting. "We want the right players.." said Ged Roddy. But the players we wanted obviously didn't want to play for us at the salaries being offered. "It's the agents' faults being greedy". Not really, if you want Championship level players to get promoted you have to offer them the right salaries. But it was true that Wigan were paying over-the-odds wages and we know it got them promoted but they went straight back down again with points deductions. MK Dons nearly got promoted - narrowly missed the automatic spots then lost the first leg 2-0 at Wycombe and in spite of a lot of pressure could not get through. The next year they were relegated. Why? Because maybe the money had run out? Maybe they'd gambled and could not afford to keep it up. Ipswich meanwhile came 10th - after getting rid of Paul Cook (a manager us fans thought we wanted) they brought in eventually Kieran McKenna and gave him time. They also gave him a decent budget to complete the job. As for us, we released an obviously dejected Nigel Adkins who was obviously put in the usual non-disclosure clause so he couldn't talk about what happened, and let Johnnie Jackson run the show with the squad we had. It wasn't always pretty but we fought hard and came in 13th. Ged Roddy was also let go, but wasn't properly replaced. No, Martin Sandgaard could do just as well. Well to be honest I'm not sure he didn't do worse than Ged Roddy but clearly that wasn't the answer. Meanwhile, where did this rise of Plymouth Argyle come from? Under Nigel Adkins we beat them 6-0 away. The year we were relegated from the Championship on the final game, Bolton were relegated from League One having started with a bare squad of youth and a points deduction and were lucky to still have a club - saved in the last moments when Bury were not. But after getting promoted back up the next season as 3rd have been consistently better than us. Derby and Sheffield Wednesday both came down with points deductions, financial issues and embargos but yet have both gone back up again. So what, exactly, do we need to do? I make you right on all of that! In chronological order, Zynex share price dropped and it appeared Sandgaard could no longer cash out $30M per annum as he did the year he acquired CAFC. Sandgaard then went on to appoint executives who simply didn't last the course. Dean Holden steadied the ship and managed things as the 2022 squad were shown an exit. Mid-table appeared reasonable season 2022/23 but converting to a top six contender really isn't as simple as we fans writing it on a message board! Today the club have been clear, and the fans are aligned in a desire to recruit six quality additions to the Matchday 18, perhaps more. These players need to be ready for the first XI, but not clear how Jones intends to play. Let's see where we are 10th August. Sandgaard's wealth was, basically, all built on sand. |
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Post by clarky on May 21, 2024 17:53:46 GMT
It will be a much more competitive league next season and there will be a fair few clubs, like us, who feel they should be challenging for at least a top six place. It is obviously too early to tell how we will actually fare but the first few signings will give us a clue. My personal view is we will have a good season but with the amount of quality signings NJ needs to make we might just fall short but will have all the foundations in place to push on from there.
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Post by earlpurple on May 22, 2024 8:23:43 GMT
We now know all clubs that will be in our league.
Let's go through them in general:
Birmingham, Huddersfield, Rotherham. All relegated from the Championship and all with a good chance of bouncing back. Even though Rotherham went down with a whimper, they've done that before but still bounced straight back.
Boton, Barnsley, Peterborough: The 3 clubs failed in the playoffs 2 season in a row. I think Bolton will definitely still be up there, not sure about the other two.
Wrexham: The story continues, there's a lot of expectation.
Lincoln, Wycombe: Both went on good runs last season the former just falling short.
Charlton: Us. I have no idea because there's always been promises of a rebuild and strengthening that have not materialised. Looking at what happened though in January, I do think this transfer window will be a reasonable one if not perfect, and we'll do a lot better than 16th but can't see we'll be above the teams I mentioned above.
Wigan. Merry-go-round for them. They overspend, get promoted, get in financial trouble and get relegated and points deductions, then start again. I think they have said they won't do that this time but are they strong enough without the points deduction to be in the hunt? Maybe.
Blackpool, Exeter, Leyton Orient: They should all be safe mid-table.
Reading. As with Wigan, but not sure they're in as strong a position.
Northampton: Probably safe midtable, but lower end.
Stockport: Should be ok
Bristol Rovers, Stevenage. Not sure about these two. The latter could suffer a 2nd season syndrome in this league.
Mansfield. Will be in the lower half but might make it.
Cambridge, Shrewsbury, Burton, Crawley. The most likely 4 to drop this season in my opinion but a couple of those could finish just outside if Stevenage or Mansfield are down there.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 22, 2024 9:16:53 GMT
We now know all clubs that will be in our league. Let's go through them in general: Birmingham, Huddersfield, Rotherham. All relegated from the Championship and all with a good chance of bouncing back. Even though Rotherham went down with a whimper, they've done that before but still bounced straight back. Boton, Barnsley, Peterborough: The 3 clubs failed in the playoffs 2 season in a row. I think Bolton will definitely still be up there, not sure about the other two. Wrexham: The story continues, there's a lot of expectation. Lincoln, Wycombe: Both went on good runs last season the former just falling short. Charlton: Us. I have no idea because there's always been promises of a rebuild and strengthening that have not materialised. Looking at what happened though in January, I do think this transfer window will be a reasonable one if not perfect, and we'll do a lot better than 16th but can't see we'll be above the teams I mentioned above. Wigan. Merry-go-round for them. They overspend, get promoted, get in financial trouble and get relegated and points deductions, then start again. I think they have said they won't do that this time but are they strong enough without the points deduction to be in the hunt? Maybe. Blackpool, Exeter, Leyton Orient: They should all be safe mid-table. Reading. As with Wigan, but not sure they're in as strong a position. Northampton: Probably safe midtable, but lower end. Stockport: Should be ok Bristol Rovers, Stevenage. Not sure about these two. The latter could suffer a 2nd season syndrome in this league. Mansfield. Will be in the lower half but might make it. Cambridge, Shrewsbury, Burton, Crawley. The most likely 4 to drop this season in my opinion but a couple of those could finish just outside if Stevenage or Mansfield are down there. Good summery! I agree all of that. I might be, slightly, more 'optimistic' for Barnsley and Peterborough. I also wonder what the outcome of Wycombe's new billionaire owners will be. Arguably they are in a better position than we are as they had a much better season and, therefore, need less surgery than we do, probably. I would also add that any of those that you predict to be mid-table, or better, could secure some exceptional loan players that move them up to a top six challenger, if not a top six finish. |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 22, 2024 14:21:32 GMT
Wrexham have just appointed a new CEO who used to be CFO then CEO at Inter Milan FFS!
Some clubs relegated from the Championship bounce back whereas others go into free fall.
I'd keep an eye on who we sign plus the bookies odds until start of the season.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 22, 2024 15:58:44 GMT
Wrexham have just appointed a new CEO who used to be CFO then CEO at Inter Milan FFS! Some clubs relegated from the Championship bounce back whereas others go into free fall. I'd keep an eye on who we sign plus the bookies odds until start of the season. I'm sure that they will there or there abouts but it is quite a big jump from the National League to League One. They signed quite a few players who's level was below top six in League One, so they will need to make some changes to their squad, and most of those players are lower League One level but on Championship wages. We think that we have trouble moving on players. I have no idea what they will have to pay Championship, or top six League One, players to go there. |
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Post by earlpurple on May 22, 2024 16:02:20 GMT
The only club that I know went into freefall after a relegation from the Championship in recent years is Yeovil. One wonders how they got that high, but they did and were relegated from that league in 2014.
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Post by kings hill addick on May 22, 2024 16:44:48 GMT
The only club that I know went into freefall after a relegation from the Championship in recent years is Yeovil. One wonders how they got that high, but they did and were relegated from that league in 2014. What about Reading and Wigan in the last few seasons? |
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Post by jonkool on May 23, 2024 8:39:14 GMT
You can’t see us getting a significant squad improvement for us to challenge? Interested to know what you are basing your opinion on? NJ has said the squad will look completely different come the beginning of the season with the very vast majority coming in as new first team starters and NJ has the final say so on who comes in…….so do you not have confidence in NJ to bring in the right quality in for us to challenge? Interesting that the bookies have us down as 8th favourites even after us being utter toilet at times last season……maybe they know we are going to spend a bit but at this stage they don’t know how much. 🤔🤔🤔 Blimey I see myself sounding a bit like Seriously Red but I think we should see where we are come August 10th…..🤣🤣 I probably see myself as a half glass full supporter impressed with what NJ has done so far looking forward to the summer rebuild and some much needed quality coming into the building…….. Interested to know from other posters at this stage if they are half glass full or half glass empty?….and if half glass empty what there reasons are? Normally, I’m quite positive and like you, I think NJ has done a great job with the current squad. I’m probably on the half empty side of the equation. The reason, is not down to the Ownership providing funding, but getting players to relocate to the South East. It’s expensive and as a player, it’s reasonable to have an expectation that can afford to live in that part of the world. So for example, Huddersfield and West Yorkshire is cheaper than the South East and it’s easier to get around. Chris Kamara lives close to me in Kirkhamgate, which is near the M62/M1, so getting to Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield is easy For me the glass is half empty, but I’m happy to be proved wrong, and have my glass replenished! 😂😂 After August 10th it will be the closing of the summer window and then the end of September etc etc etc But at present I’m a glass half full fan 👍 |
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Post by seriouslyred on May 23, 2024 10:05:51 GMT
Wrexham have just appointed a new CEO who used to be CFO then CEO at Inter Milan FFS! Some clubs relegated from the Championship bounce back whereas others go into free fall. I'd keep an eye on who we sign plus the bookies odds until start of the season. I'm sure that they will there or there abouts but it is quite a big jump from the National League to League One. They signed quite a few players who's level was below top six in League One, so they will need to make some changes to their squad, and most of those players are lower League One level but on Championship wages. We think that we have trouble moving on players. I have no idea what they will have to play Championship, or top six League One, players to go there. It might take Wrexham 12 months to adapt their squad so as to compete for the top six in League One. But they will surely compete in the same recruitment pool as ourselves and four or five other clubs. Ideally a combination of our funding and the football mgt. experience that CAFC now has (compared to 12 months ago) will see us in a good place come the start of the season. |
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Post by barrja on Jun 1, 2024 11:59:53 GMT
Coincidentally, I met Lee Bowyer and Lyle T at Heathrow this week and then sat next door to a guy on the plane who was sending a text to Nathan Jones! Turned out to be Joaquin Gomez - he coached with NJ at Brighton, Luton and Stoke…and his current team just got promoted to the Saudi Pro League. For what it’s worth he said we should expect a great season and that he was sure Nathan would get us promoted. V nice guy too. I wonder if he might come to the Valley too under NJ…
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Post by leedsaddick on Jun 1, 2024 12:13:28 GMT
Coincidentally, I met Lee Bowyer and Lyle T at Heathrow this week and then sat next door to a guy on the plane who was sending a text to Nathan Jones! Turned out to be Joaquin Gomez - he coached with NJ at Brighton, Luton and Stoke…and his current team just got promoted to the Saudi Pro League. For what it’s worth he said we should expect a great season and that he was sure Nathan would get us promoted. V nice guy too. I wonder if he might come to the Valley too under NJ… Nice post…. Did you get any insights from Lee or Lyle? |
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