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Post by smudge7946 on Jan 30, 2023 13:41:46 GMT
Although it's frustrating that Tommy is holding out for 2% more, surely to multiple billionaires that won't be a massive hurdle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 13:46:02 GMT
If the transfer window closes and nothing happens (no billionaires), will that be cited as evidence that this take-over scuppered by TS story was true? That's going to look rather like the whole scenario was invented just to denounce Sandgaard. Doubtless it'll be one person's word against another's, with sources still undisclosed. And let's face it, nothing happening is about a hundred million times more likely than a sudden billionaire take-over. On the other hand, if billionaires do buy the Club by tomorrow evening, will TS get any credit for his part in the process (or at least for allowing it to happen, since he apparently has a veto)? I guess nobody will care if we're suddenly one of the richest Clubs in England  You’ve completely lost me there. Sandgaard owns the club until such a time as he completes a deal, and gets EFL approval ? This Janaury is a Sandgaard transfer window (ie pitiful). You would need to have been living under a rock for the last 12 months not to notice the strong correlation between this transfer window and the last two. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 30, 2023 13:58:05 GMT
I guess nobody will care if we're suddenly one of the richest Clubs in England Oh god. We're going to get the idiots singing "We're fucking rich, we're fucking rich" again if we get taken over? It doesn't matter if Elon Musk buys us. We aren't rich unless they invest. Got to be up there with the worst chant out there. Edit: This forum does act oddly at times. Just removes sentences in quotes or after tweets =/ |
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Post by squareball on Jan 30, 2023 13:59:43 GMT
If the transfer window closes and nothing happens (no billionaires), will that be cited as evidence that this take-over scuppered by TS story was true? That's going to look rather like the whole scenario was invented just to denounce Sandgaard. Doubtless it'll be one person's word against another's, with sources still undisclosed. And let's face it, nothing happening is about a hundred million times more likely than a sudden billionaire take-over. On the other hand, if billionaires do buy the Club by tomorrow evening, will TS get any credit for his part in the process (or at least for allowing it to happen, since he apparently has a veto)? I guess nobody will care if we're suddenly one of the richest Clubs in England You’ve completely lost me there. Sandgaard owns the club until such a time as he completes a deal, and gets EFL approval ? This Janaury is a Sandgaard transfer window (ie pitiful). You would need to have been living under a rock for the last 12 months not to notice the strong correlation between this transfer window and the last two. Nobody doubts the crap transfer window and it’s likeness to the others. Nobody likes TS anymore. Nobody is living under a rock with regards to the obvious. If this bid were real then Sandgaard would take it at 18%. The 3 billionaires will have us in the EPL in a few years and all the riches that follow. You really think the plotless TS is going to turn down that nugget? No chance. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 30, 2023 14:03:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 14:09:19 GMT
If the transfer window closes and nothing happens (no billionaires), will that be cited as evidence that this take-over scuppered by TS story was true? That's going to look rather like the whole scenario was invented just to denounce Sandgaard. Doubtless it'll be one person's word against another's, with sources still undisclosed. And let's face it, nothing happening is about a hundred million times more likely than a sudden billionaire take-over. On the other hand, if billionaires do buy the Club by tomorrow evening, will TS get any credit for his part in the process (or at least for allowing it to happen, since he apparently has a veto)? I guess nobody will care if we're suddenly one of the richest Clubs in England Don't get mugged off mate, been through all this bullshit before 3 billionaires my arse. |
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Post by ardrohanlil on Jan 30, 2023 14:12:37 GMT
Don't think he believes you Paul |
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Post by floydroadse7 on Jan 30, 2023 14:28:00 GMT
Don't think he believes you Paul He's not alone. All the "ITK" stuff that gets shared on here is pure fantasy, I don't recall the last time anything was shared on here "in good faith" from an "undisclosed person" ever came into the light. To be honest I think that sort of stuff does more damage than good. I appreciate this is a forum to discuss all things Charlton but it's get to a point where probably saying nothing is better than something which is almost certainly not going to happen - is that paperwork still with the EFL I wonder? |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2023 14:31:35 GMT
Don't think he believes you Paul His choice. He is the attention seeker after all. His blogs are hopeless to be honest. Awful grammer and have no meaning to them. It's just somebody blabbing on about nothing. Just read it. 60 seconds of my life that I won't get back |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2023 14:32:40 GMT
Don't think he believes you Paul He's not alone. All the "ITK" stuff that gets shared on here is pure fantasy, I don't recall the last time anything was shared on here "in good faith" from an "undisclosed person" ever came into the light. To be honest I think that sort of stuff does more damage than good. I appreciate this is a forum to discuss all things Charlton but it's get to a point where probably saying nothing is better than something which is almost certainly not going to happen - is that paperwork still with the EFL I wonder? Take your own advice and say nothing. |
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Post by floydroadse7 on Jan 30, 2023 14:38:31 GMT
He's not alone. All the "ITK" stuff that gets shared on here is pure fantasy, I don't recall the last time anything was shared on here "in good faith" from an "undisclosed person" ever came into the light. To be honest I think that sort of stuff does more damage than good. I appreciate this is a forum to discuss all things Charlton but it's get to a point where probably saying nothing is better than something which is almost certainly not going to happen - is that paperwork still with the EFL I wonder? Take your own advice and say nothing. You never answered my question, are we still waiting on EFL approval as you shared back in early December? Another "shared in good faith" nugget that went all the way to the square root of nowhere. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2023 14:43:14 GMT
Take your own advice and say nothing. You never answered my question, are we still waiting on EFL approval as you shared back in early December? Another "shared in good faith" nugget that went all the way to the square root of nowhere. Don't ever make the mistaje of think I am answerable to you. However as previoysly stated,the EFL have received proof of funds and the relevant paperwork has been processed based on the agreement made. It's Sandgaard who has moved the goal posts and jeopardising the whole thing. Let's just wait and see. Your mosts are beginning to get a tad more agitated. You obviously think i'm a liar so let's not engage for a little while. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 14:48:11 GMT
The latest I have heard is that Sandgaard’s ego is getting in the way of doing a deal.
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Post by floydroadse7 on Jan 30, 2023 14:52:52 GMT
You never answered my question, are we still waiting on EFL approval as you shared back in early December? Another "shared in good faith" nugget that went all the way to the square root of nowhere. Don't ever make the mistaje of think I am answerable to you. However as previoysly stated,the EFL have received proof of funds and the relevant paperwork has been processed based on the agreement made. It's Sandgaard who has moved the goal posts and jeopardising the whole thing. Let's just wait and see. Your mosts are beginning to get a tad more agitated. You obviously think i'm a liar so let's not engage for a little while. Oh nice edit, and fyi I'll ask whatever I like. Not a liar no, don't think I ever said that either. Just people share information that, to this point, hasn't come true and seems a little fanciful at best. My point is that it seems potentially dangerous to share such information. I question where it truly comes from and what their real agenda is - all it seems so far is that people are being used to peddle misinformation (something to which they are not even aware of). |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Jan 30, 2023 14:55:34 GMT
The latest I have heard is that Sandgaard’s ego is getting in the way of doing a deal. Ego bigger then three billionaires. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 15:35:53 GMT
I'm sure everything will all be fine now you are back to instruct us and point out the error of our ways.
"Sandgaard is in the process of buying the Valley and the training ground" you wrote in October. Is that still progressing?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2023 15:37:28 GMT
Don't ever make the mistaje of think I am answerable to you. However as previoysly stated,the EFL have received proof of funds and the relevant paperwork has been processed based on the agreement made. It's Sandgaard who has moved the goal posts and jeopardising the whole thing. Let's just wait and see. Your mosts are beginning to get a tad more agitated. You obviously think i'm a liar so let's not engage for a little while. Oh nice edit, and fyi I'll ask whatever I like. Not a liar no, don't think I ever said that either. Just people share information that, to this point, hasn't come true and seems a little fanciful at best. My point is that it seems potentially dangerous to share such information. I question where it truly comes from and what their real agenda is - all it seems so far is that people are being used to peddle misinformation (something to which they are not even aware of). If you kmow so much about what isn't happening, why ask what is? |
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Post by zenga on Jan 30, 2023 15:42:10 GMT
Some random thoughts:
1) Entertaining the scenario posted in this thread: the 2% might represent more than just 2% equity (type of shares, voting rights, amount of board seats, might or might not make TS a bigger shareholder than the smallest one of the new guys depending on the split, ...).
2) When Sandgaard wanted to buy Charlton he took to social media because 'he couldn't get a hold of RD'; while he didn't even had a twitter account. Very similar to what is happening now. (edit: it's not that hard to get in touch with RD)
3) If the US guys are ready to buy everything off RD, pretty sure this will end up in a different company; else TS his 18 or 20% would become worth a whole lot more overnight.
4) Leaving TS with 20% (or 18%) seems very plausible in the scenario where they were trying to raise £11m.
5) Leaving TS with 20% (or 18%) seems way too much in the scenario where a financially strong group buys the club, knowing very well that they will multiply the value of the club by X if they are successful. Buying him out right now or leaving him with 5-10% tops seems to me like it would be way better business.
To Reams, DickPlumb and WorkingAunts: not questioning your integrity here, but in some posts you say you are only the messengers, while in other posts I get the impression that you guys are quite adamant that this is the real/and only true story. So my question to you guys:
a/ have you seen anything at all that confirms the story of your source(s)?
b/ have you guys considered the idea that you might be used for someone else his/her agenda?
Not trying to suggest here anything, genuine questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 15:58:39 GMT
a) have you seen anything at all that confirms the story of your source(s)?
b/ have you guys considered the idea that you might be used for someone else his/her agenda?
Yes and yes.
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Post by clarky on Jan 30, 2023 16:06:57 GMT
The latest I have heard is that Sandgaard’s ego is getting in the way of doing a deal. I can certainly believe that but this £17m business is still bothering me. So he owes this to RD but is playing silly beggers which may scupper the deal he had already agreed to which is currently in front of the EFL. if the Americans pull out where does the £17m come from seeing he is already undertaking the impossible task of breaking even before that was even mentioned.? The common consensus outside of this forum is that the leaks are coming from CM, I really hope this isn't the case! |
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 30, 2023 16:24:20 GMT
The latest I have heard is that Sandgaard’s ego is getting in the way of doing a deal. I'm sure it's just brinksmanship and he'll fold, just in time. He'll then point to all of his sucesses and ignore the failures of his regime. With the money he can buy this, which I saw when I was in Dubai. Apparently the world's most diamond encrusted guitar (I thought of him).  |
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Post by bigandy99 on Jan 30, 2023 16:27:38 GMT
Is it possible he’ll put us into administration at all?.. that would be mighty stupid if he’s being offered hard cash to sell up.. but will he do the unlikely?…
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 16:28:13 GMT
zengaGenuine answer to your genuine question. I’ve supported the club since the Glikstein era. Unlike others I’ve never wanted a job or a role at the club, and I was on the pitch at the Valley the day we were locked out, I helped on the day of the big clear up to go back, I joined Valley Gold when it was created and was being used for the purpose it was intended. As for owners, I heckled Mike Norris that infamous night at the Valley Club, told Richard Murray he had lost the plot while others on the other forum worked for him or got goodies in his boardroom, and was slung out of the ground for protesting against Duchatelet. I also did a bit of organising against ESI. Do I think Methven is using fans to put a message out ? Yes. Do I think Methven is good news for our club ? No. Have I seen first hand evidence of what I am passing on? Yes. When it comes to removing Sandgaard and his pernicious influence from CAFC, my enemies enemy is my friend.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 30, 2023 16:33:39 GMT
Is it possible he’ll put us into administration at all?.. that would be mighty stupid if he’s being offered hard cash to sell up.. but will he do the unlikely?… Can't see it Andy. He may have great limitations in his business acumen, but he can't be that stupid surely, can he? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 16:38:33 GMT
Well one thing has come out of being trusted with such valuable information is that it’s nice to see our 3 main contributors (reams dicky and WWA) to this site getting on so well. I hope it continues.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 30, 2023 16:44:07 GMT
Well one thing has come out of being trusted with such valuable information is that it’s nice to see our 3 main contributors (reams dicky and WWA) to this site getting on so well. I hope it continues. Think it's more of a case of the adults standing out around some of the children. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 16:45:21 GMT
For those who aren’t members of the other forum, the snide remarks continue. Heavyweights like Prague are getting involved now, and the VOTV Editor is still claiming that Methven was Reams’ source yesterday, in between checking his texts from Peter Varney. scoham is performing his usual role of passing info between the sites. Even our old friend Major has popped up 🤦♂️ reamsofverseRich Cawley has put it directly to Sandgaard about your info yesterday. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 16:46:41 GMT
Well one thing has come out of being trusted with such valuable information is that it’s nice to see our 3 main contributors (reams dicky and WWA) to this site getting on so well. I hope it continues. Think it's more of a case of the adults standing out around some of the children. Well that’s probably one take on it - considering two of the adults protested against Roland and only yesterday you came to the correct conclusion that booting Roly was a bad idea. |
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Post by wellingaddick on Jan 30, 2023 16:49:48 GMT
The latest I have heard is that Sandgaard’s ego is getting in the way of doing a deal. I can certainly believe that but this £17m business is still bothering me. So he owes this to RD but is playing silly beggers which may scupper the deal he had already agreed to which is currently in front of the EFL. if the Americans pull out where does the £17m come from seeing he is already undertaking the impossible task of breaking even before that was even mentioned.? The common consensus outside of this forum is that the leaks are coming from CM, I really hope this isn't the case! There is only two things that I can think of over this £17m business. 1, It was part of the original ESI deal to buy the freeholds of TV and TG that Southall negotiated, despite not having any funds, access to funds or any guarantee of funds and Sandgaard took took on the deal as it stood. 2, Duchatelet is calling in (some) the debt to Staplix. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but nothing else comes to mind. |
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Post by clarky on Jan 30, 2023 17:10:57 GMT
I can certainly believe that but this £17m business is still bothering me. So he owes this to RD but is playing silly beggers which may scupper the deal he had already agreed to which is currently in front of the EFL. if the Americans pull out where does the £17m come from seeing he is already undertaking the impossible task of breaking even before that was even mentioned.? The common consensus outside of this forum is that the leaks are coming from CM, I really hope this isn't the case! There is only two things that I can think of over this £17m business. 1, It was part of the original ESI deal to buy the freeholds of TV and TG that Southall negotiated, despite not having any funds, access to funds or any guarantee of funds and Sandgaard took took on the deal as it stood. 2, Duchatelet is calling in (some) the debt to Staplix. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree, but nothing else comes to mind. Thank you for your response. Both are possible but as TS renegotiated the terms of the lease he would be barking mad to take on anything Southall related particularly as he went to greal legal expense to get rid of him. The second option maybe more plausible if RD thinks a sale is going through with TS losing 80% of his stake and is putting pressure on him. This would perhaps be more relevant if the new owners had no intention of buying the ground and training ground as they didn't have the funds. Of course both options irrelevant if the Americans are going for the whole lot. |
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