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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 13:32:31 GMT
So just to get this right, you're moaning about cutting costs for first team players when you have zero way of knowing what the ultimate budget will be this year? cos it looks promising, I'm just going on last year and the guys track record, will proved to be proved wrong Track record of recruitment truely has been awful I agree with you there, but that's down to the targets rather than the budget. Aneke for £400k with his wages is outrageously bad business. Not to mention signing Watson, Arter, Gunter etc... That said, this year Garner seems to be having a clear hand in these signings so it's the only reason I'm optimistic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 14:24:49 GMT
cos it looks promising, I'm just going on last year and the guys track record, will proved to be proved wrong Track record of recruitment truely has been awful I agree with you there, but that's down to the targets rather than the budget. Aneke for £400k with his wages is outrageously bad business. Not to mention signing Watson, Arter, Gunter etc... That said, this year Garner seems to be having a clear hand in these signings so it's the only reason I'm optimistic. But they are free transfers from lowly clubs mate? Lincoln City, Rochdale & Swindon Town so far. The law of averages in football suggest that we will be fortunate if 1/2 of them come off. The only way you all but guarantee getting out of this league is doing what Wigan did last season - spending proper money on 22 new players. They signed Stephen Humphrys- who was a target for us (cough) last Summer, and he was a squad player for the Latics. It’s also worth noting that Wigan’s owner didn’t talk tall, or in fact at all, all season. No guitars, no trips to the Oak with his new hairpiece, no 24/7 BOOM. He only appeared on the pitch once - after the final game, with the League One trophy in his hands. That’s the way it should be. Garner is going to need to be a genius to get us up this season, although he deserves our support in trying. |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 14:30:14 GMT
Track record of recruitment truely has been awful I agree with you there, but that's down to the targets rather than the budget. Aneke for £400k with his wages is outrageously bad business. Not to mention signing Watson, Arter, Gunter etc... That said, this year Garner seems to be having a clear hand in these signings so it's the only reason I'm optimistic. But they are free transfers from lowly clubs mate? Lincoln City, Rochdale & Swindon Town so far. The last of averages in football suggest that we will be fortunate if 1/2 of them come off. The only way you all buy guarantee getting out of this league is doing what Wigan did last season - spending proper money on 23 new players. They signed Stephen Humphrys- who was a target for us (cough) last Summer, and he was a squad player for the Latics. It’s also worth noting that Wigan’s owner didn’t talk tall, or in fact at all, all season. No guitars, no trips to the Oak with his new hairpiece, no 24/7 BOOM. He only appeared on the pitch once - after the final game, with the League One trophy in his hands. That’s the way it should be. Garner is going to need to be a genius to get us up this season, although he deserves our support in trying. So far, that's right. You can only sign who is available in front of you. Similar to what I mentioned to Andy, if we go into the new season with exclusively League Two acquisitions in our starting 11 then I agree we'd have to be very fortunate indeed to get anywhere near the top six. I personally think we're getting the best of League Two which is available on fair to modest wages as they become available. Let's not forget MacGrandles and O'Connell reportedly had Championship interest. Egbo and Wollacott I'm less convinced on so far but they can't all be 10's. If we end the window having not reinvested any of the Pope/Doughty sell-on into fees or evidently high wages for low Championship/high League One level players, then I'll likely be as frustrated as you. I just really don't think that would be the case. There's no reason we'd go from a top six budget two years running into magically underspending whilst cutting costs and receiving player income. Sometimes things just come together and hopefully we can replicate that with Garner. Ultimately, I don't see the benefit in criticising recruitment until it has been concluded, especially considering the amount of very expensive driftwood we've cut off this year. (PS The Wigan vs Charlton owner personality difference is obvious but less important overall to the success of the club for me) |
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Post by zenga on Jul 6, 2022 5:12:43 GMT
I took a look at the job openings and the salary range. If I'm not mistaken salaries are advertised as gross in the UK.
25k for a First team performance analyst
25k for a First team opposition analyst
20k-23k for a Live Production Coordinator (you need to be able to operate a camera, be proficient with Adobe software and be able to write scripts, which is like 2 jobs in 1)
You are expected to work 40 hours + all match days, which is what an extra 30-35 days / year?
What is this, slavery?
As a small time entrepreneur myself I've learned one thing: making sure your people don't have to worry about money will benefit the business more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 6:13:14 GMT
I took a look at the job openings and the salary range. If I'm not mistaken salaries are advertised as gross in the UK. 25k for a First team performance analyst 25k for a First team opposition analyst 20k-23k for a Live Production Coordinator (you need to be able to operate a camera, be proficient with Adobe software and be able to write scripts, which is like 2 jobs in 1) You are expected to work 40 hours + all match days, which is what an extra 30-35 days / year? What is this, slavery? As a small time entrepreneur myself I've learned one thing: making sure your people don't have to worry about money will benefit the business more than anything. You will find that many graduate-entry jobs in London these days start with similar salaries to these, and that hundreds of graduates are still willing to compete for them. It’s the price you have to be willing to pay to set off on a career path. The bigger puzzle is WHY the owner is shedding these jobs. In the case of the staffers who were tasked with calling ST holders who had not renewed, I feel there is an element of ‘shoot the messenger’. We know the Sandgaard’s don’t like criticism, and the feedback from ex ST holders must have bruised their egos. |
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Post by ashaddick on Jul 6, 2022 7:32:54 GMT
I’m confident they would have checked market averages when it comes to wages but even so that looks incredibly low to me, especially when you take any travel costs that a prospective employee may have.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 6, 2022 8:16:01 GMT
I took a look at the job openings and the salary range. If I'm not mistaken salaries are advertised as gross in the UK. 25k for a First team performance analyst 25k for a First team opposition analyst 20k-23k for a Live Production Coordinator (you need to be able to operate a camera, be proficient with Adobe software and be able to write scripts, which is like 2 jobs in 1) You are expected to work 40 hours + all match days, which is what an extra 30-35 days / year? What is this, slavery? As a small time entrepreneur myself I've learned one thing: making sure your people don't have to worry about money will benefit the business more than anything. I’m sure you’re a decent person zenga who wants to treat your employees well while taking a long term view of your business. In contrast, it’s clear the Sandgaard’s want to hire kids, who don’t cost much, who will do what they’re told and won’t answer back or challenge. They’ll then spit these new employees out if the latest hair-brained scheme hasn’t worked out or if they start to question their orders. The cycle then repeats. |
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Post by jonkool on Jul 6, 2022 9:26:07 GMT
I took a look at the job openings and the salary range. If I'm not mistaken salaries are advertised as gross in the UK. 25k for a First team performance analyst 25k for a First team opposition analyst 20k-23k for a Live Production Coordinator (you need to be able to operate a camera, be proficient with Adobe software and be able to write scripts, which is like 2 jobs in 1) You are expected to work 40 hours + all match days, which is what an extra 30-35 days / year? What is this, slavery? As a small time entrepreneur myself I've learned one thing: making sure your people don't have to worry about money will benefit the business more than anything. I’m sure you’re a decent person zenga who wants to treat your employees well while taking a long term view of your business. In contrast, it’s clear the Sandgaard’s want to hire kids, who don’t cost much, who will do what they’re told and won’t answer back or challenge. They’ll then spit these new employees out if the latest hair-brained scheme hasn’t worked out or if they start to question their orders. The cycle then repeats. How depressing and a classic ‘I know best’ narcissistic trait! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 5, 2022 18:49:54 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds that more staff ae set to be made redundant.
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Post by stu2020 on Oct 5, 2022 19:13:47 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds that more staff ae set to be made redundant. People getting made redundant, although upsetting for them and their families, is just part of business.. more depressing is the general direction the club is taking downwards with no clear path to success and an owner that seems to have given up already... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 19:50:30 GMT
Rumours doing the rounds that more staff ae set to be made redundant. People getting made redundant, although upsetting for them and their families, is just part of business.. more depressing is the general direction the club is taking downwards with no clear path to success and an owner that seems to have given up already... They are not redundancies in the true sense of the word, they are ruthless cost cutting, and in at least one instance that I know of, a resignation as a result of bullying. When Sandgaard has gone, all of these people will need to be replaced, it won’t be easy. |
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Post by stu2020 on Oct 5, 2022 19:54:18 GMT
People getting made redundant, although upsetting for them and their families, is just part of business.. more depressing is the general direction the club is taking downwards with no clear path to success and an owner that seems to have given up already... They are not redundancies in the true sense of the word, they are ruthless cost cutting, and in at least one instance that I know of, a resignation as a result of bullying. When Sandgaard has gone, all of these people will need to be replaced, it won’t be easy. If that is the case then I hope they follow up with legal action... bullying in the workplace has to be shutdown |
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Post by revilo on Oct 5, 2022 20:07:30 GMT
If followed correctly the staff member being bullied would have filed a grievance case which would be heard by their line manager, then if not upheld the staff member can appeal the decision which would be heard by someone senior. If the appeal is not upheld then the staff member can take the company to an employee tribunal.
Unfortunately it's quite costly and isn't something that should find it's way to the newspapers so we may never know.
I truly hope that the staff member has followed this procedure so that justice is brought to the bully.
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Post by 1978sussex on Oct 10, 2022 20:05:49 GMT
Rumours that the 2 kitmen have left
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Oct 10, 2022 20:19:35 GMT
Rumours that the 2 kitmen have left The players will be taking it in turns next to wash the kits FFS.GET HIM OUT OUR CLUB |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 10, 2022 21:31:38 GMT
Rumours that the 2 kitmen have left Probably because there's no kit!! It's said that Garner asked them to do extra duties like putting cones out on the training pitches etc!! Not their job that in my opinion. |
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Post by cedric on Oct 10, 2022 21:39:42 GMT
This insanity needs to end.
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 13, 2022 8:37:42 GMT
Heard about the Kitmen a few weeks back, not sure how true but the ground staff were told they had to lay out the training kits at the training ground as no one else around
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Post by sevenoaks on Oct 13, 2022 8:44:17 GMT
Heard about the Kitmen a few weeks back, not sure how true but the ground staff were told they had to lay out the training kits at the training ground as no one else around Probably a bit more to it than that. I wouldnt see a problem surely if people were sat about do nothing. I work fo NHS and it comes naturally to work as a team, and help each other. I guess their problem, is expected to do two jobs, when TS has cut staff?. |
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Post by valleyfaithful on Oct 13, 2022 8:58:32 GMT
Just for specifics, Rick Everitt posted this today:
Kit manager Wayne Baldacchino has resigned and is serving his notice. Ben Mehmet, who I believe was kit manager for the U21s, recently quit and has already gone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 9:10:29 GMT
I heard a voicemail from a parent who’s son is at the Academy.
Two main points -
The kids have no kit. They wear whatever they bring themselves, or old Hummel kit.
There is now a severe shortage of coaches. This parent claimed one coach is now spread over several teams, with parents picking up the slack.
Category A status my arse. 🤢
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 13, 2022 10:17:09 GMT
I heard a voicemail from a parent who’s son is at the Academy. Two main points - The kids have no kit. They wear whatever they bring themselves, or old Hummel kit. There is now a severe shortage of coaches. This parent claimed one coach is now spread over several teams, with parents picking up the slack. Category A status my arse. 🤢 I suspect that this is a kind of sticking two fingers up at those that refused to give him Cat A. I don't think that Mr Sandgaard is used to being told no! He really needs to get out of our club. It's bad enough that he has wasted the money that has come in from previous academy players (sell on fee etc.) , and sold players that were here when he arrived, but if he is going to scare some of the players away that are there now then he's also reducing the future income. He, really, is going to leave the club much, much, worse off than he found it - and he found it being run by Matt Southall! I didn't think it could get any worse that ESI but Sandgaard has proved me wrong on that! |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 13, 2022 10:28:53 GMT
I heard a voicemail from a parent who’s son is at the Academy. Two main points - The kids have no kit. They wear whatever they bring themselves, or old Hummel kit. There is now a severe shortage of coaches. This parent claimed one coach is now spread over several teams, with parents picking up the slack. Category A status my arse. 🤢 The kit issue ties in with what I put up on here last week. Coaches and other staff having to wear old Hummel training gear.Even Steve Ivory. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 13, 2022 10:32:01 GMT
I heard a voicemail from a parent who’s son is at the Academy. Two main points - The kids have no kit. They wear whatever they bring themselves, or old Hummel kit. There is now a severe shortage of coaches. This parent claimed one coach is now spread over several teams, with parents picking up the slack. Category A status my arse. 🤢 I suspect that this is a kind of sticking two fingers up at those that refused to give him Cat A. I don't think that Mr Sandgaard is used to being told no! He really needs to get out of our club. It's bad enough that he has wasted the money that has come in from previous academy players (sell on fee etc.) , and sold players that were here when he arrived, but if he is going to scare some of the players away that are there now then he's also reducing the future income. He, really, is going to leave the club much, much, worse off than he found it - and he found it being run by Matt Southall! I didn't think it could get any worse that ESI but Sandgaard has proved me wromg on that! Renting the training ground yet fucking over all that work there. Denied Cat A status and refusing to employ the specified number of coaches. Next step is him stopping paying the rent. Why carry on when he's cut the budget there by £140k. |
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Post by wellingaddick on Oct 13, 2022 11:25:21 GMT
How many years worth of damage is this doing to the club. Parents whose kids show any sort of promise, will simply take them to other clubs. this will leave a massive hole in the lifeblood of Charlton.
Sandgaard needs to go before he kills the club!
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Post by eric on Oct 13, 2022 11:46:40 GMT
Sadly, I think things will continue to go downhill in the coming months. We are in serious trouble with this twat of an owner.
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Post by smudge7946 on Oct 13, 2022 11:52:03 GMT
Rumours that the 2 kitmen have left Probably because there's no kit!! It's said that Garner asked them to do extra duties like putting cones out on the training pitches etc!! Not their job that in my opinion. Yeah. You need a degree from University of Greenwich to perform a complicated task like putting cones on the ground. :0) |
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Post by smudge7946 on Oct 13, 2022 11:54:44 GMT
Heard about the Kitmen a few weeks back, not sure how true but the ground staff were told they had to lay out the training kits at the training ground as no one else around You can't expect someone to fold 11 shirts and then put out some cones. I thought we abolished slavery in the 1990s. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 13, 2022 13:28:12 GMT
Heard about the Kitmen a few weeks back, not sure how true but the ground staff were told they had to lay out the training kits at the training ground as no one else around You can't expect someone to fold 11 shirts and then put out some cones. I thought we abolished slavery in the 1990s. You are coming across as a bit of a dick to be honest. Not a Sandgaard are you? |
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 13, 2022 13:30:40 GMT
when your Academy / Grass Roots starts to suffer its the beginning of the end !
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