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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 3, 2022 17:43:16 GMT
Didn't work out because he was offered a salary which falls well below what his skills warrant, TS does not like paying money out let's be straight about that. |
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Jul 3, 2022 17:58:42 GMT
Didn't work out because he was offered a salary which falls well below what his skills reflect. TS does not like paying money out let's be straight about that. Well done Jamie never sell yourself short. |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 3, 2022 18:30:27 GMT
Didn't work out because he was offered a salary which falls well below what his skills reflect. TS does not like paying money out let's be straight about that. Also, critically, not a sacking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 6:26:43 GMT
Not a sacking, but on the face of it another badly handled departure to cut costs.
Along with Dan Burke’s redundancy last week & the ticketing / marketing staff, it’s more costs cut.
This will get Pooh poohed by some, but even before these departures, the club was being run on an absolute shoestring behind the scenes.
Sandgaard is still trotting out the phrase let’s get “Premier League ready” ….he should add “and on a Conference league budget”.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 6:47:45 GMT
Not a sacking, but on the face of it another badly handled departure to cut costs. Along with Dan Burke’s redundancy last week & the ticketing / marketing staff, it’s more costs cut. This will get Pooh poohed by some, but even before these departures, the club was being run on an absolute shoestring behind the scenes. Sandgaard is still trotting out the phrase let’s get “Premier League ready” ….he should add “and on a Conference league budget”. Honest question- why do you think this was handled badly? I just took it that a temp and a would be employer failed to reach commercial terms. I’m a temp and have never been able to reach commercial terms at the end of an assignment as the market pays more for temps typically (does in my professional at least). A four year temp role sounds like it should have been ended for a more cost appropriate solution |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 4, 2022 6:49:32 GMT
Not a sacking, but on the face of it another badly handled departure to cut costs. Along with Dan Burke’s redundancy last week & the ticketing / marketing staff, it’s more costs cut. This will get Pooh poohed by some, but even before these departures, the club was being run on an absolute shoestring behind the scenes. Sandgaard is still trotting out the phrase let’s get “Premier League ready” ….he should add “and on a Conference league budget”. Also, if we assume that some of the 3,000 lapsed season tickets holders are going to go to some games and buy tickets as they go we are going to need more ticket staff, not less. |
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Post by dartford36 on Jul 4, 2022 8:59:18 GMT
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Post by manikin on Jul 4, 2022 9:02:12 GMT
Time Sandgaard sacked his bloody family.
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 9:31:11 GMT
God help the Dane and his bird if the start of the season goes wrong and the necessary players don't arrive. Paul, they dont give a hoot, they'll be on the 1st place outa Gatwick and leave the club to fester in its debt . |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 9:32:27 GMT
Didn't work out because he was offered a salary which falls well below what his skills reflect. TS does not like paying money out let's be straight about that. Also, critically, not a sacking. its called 'constructive dismissal' |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 9:33:19 GMT
Not a sacking, but on the face of it another badly handled departure to cut costs. Along with Dan Burke’s redundancy last week & the ticketing / marketing staff, it’s more costs cut. This will get Pooh poohed by some, but even before these departures, the club was being run on an absolute shoestring behind the scenes. Sandgaard is still trotting out the phrase let’s get “Premier League ready” ….he should add “and on a Conference league budget”. posted elsewhere, apologies for the duplication |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 9:34:57 GMT
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Post by essexaddick on Jul 4, 2022 10:51:38 GMT
For £23,000pa. Must be having a laugh |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 10:57:24 GMT
Also, critically, not a sacking. its called 'constructive dismissal' It’s not. Don’t be silly |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 10:57:50 GMT
Agree wages seem inappropriate |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 11:46:40 GMT
I know generally people like to just dig out the club wherever possible at the moment, but let's not play semantics. If two parties are negotiating for certain wages and the employer doesn't feel they wish to pay those wages or the employee isn't worth those wages, it's not any kind of sacking/dismissal 'constructive' or otherwise. It's simply a failed negotiation.
Good on Jamie for knowing his worth and £20-23k is not enough money to make a living. The converse to that is are irregular graphics/productions worth the club paying more than £23,000 a year for when they marginally enhance match day experience once a week (assuming we're playing at home)?
I feel for the employed Charlton fans when things go wrong, but there's a reason I've never applied to be a software engineer with the club and that is because I know footballing staff are low-paid outside of the Premier League and that generally, it's not a stable job especially with a history such of ours. It's business, let's not sit here and pretend that the 'Devil' Sandgaard and 'Jezebel' Raelynn are evil dictators firing at will when it isn't the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 12:09:32 GMT
Agree with all that 👆
A mate of mine a few years back (8yrs or so) was offered the head coaching role of the Colchester Utd academy (league one at the time I believe) salary = £20k 🥺 No idea if Thomas and or Raelynn were involved. Probably 🤔
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 12:18:05 GMT
its called 'constructive dismissal' It’s not. Don’t be silly If he was an employee then it would be 100% the Yank Plank has used the 'freelance' loop hole, a gentleman would have rewarded Jamie with a perm position & pay to match his skills. No doubt he was billing more than TS wanted to pay , TS has made the position for Jamie untenable. examples - changing their working hours so drastically that they are unreasonable, overly cutting your employee’s pay. |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 12:19:53 GMT
I know generally people like to just dig out the club wherever possible at the moment, but let's not play semantics. If two parties are negotiating for certain wages and the employer doesn't feel they wish to pay those wages or the employee isn't worth those wages, it's not any kind of sacking/dismissal 'constructive' or otherwise. It's simply a failed negotiation. Good on Jamie for knowing his worth and £20-23k is not enough money to make a living. The converse to that is are irregular graphics/productions worth the club paying more than £23,000 a year for when they marginally enhance match day experience once a week (assuming we're playing at home)? I feel for the employed Charlton fans when things go wrong, but there's a reason I've never applied to be a software engineer with the club and that is because I know footballing staff are low-paid outside of the Premier League and that generally, it's not a stable job especially with a history such of ours. It's business, let's not sit here and pretend that the 'Devil' Sandgaard and 'Jezebel' Raelynn are evil dictators firing at will when it isn't the case. you just carry on supporting the clowns then. They will be the death of CAFC |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 12:21:10 GMT
If he was an employee then it would be 100% the Yank Plank has used the 'freelance' loop hole, a gentleman would have rewarded Jamie with a perm position & pay to match his skills. No doubt he was billing more than TS wanted to pay , TS has made the position for Jamie untenable. examples - changing their working hours so drastically that they are unreasonable, overly cutting your employee’s pay. He wasn’t an employee |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 12:32:16 GMT
I know generally people like to just dig out the club wherever possible at the moment, but let's not play semantics. If two parties are negotiating for certain wages and the employer doesn't feel they wish to pay those wages or the employee isn't worth those wages, it's not any kind of sacking/dismissal 'constructive' or otherwise. It's simply a failed negotiation. Good on Jamie for knowing his worth and £20-23k is not enough money to make a living. The converse to that is are irregular graphics/productions worth the club paying more than £23,000 a year for when they marginally enhance match day experience once a week (assuming we're playing at home)? I feel for the employed Charlton fans when things go wrong, but there's a reason I've never applied to be a software engineer with the club and that is because I know footballing staff are low-paid outside of the Premier League and that generally, it's not a stable job especially with a history such of ours. It's business, let's not sit here and pretend that the 'Devil' Sandgaard and 'Jezebel' Raelynn are evil dictators firing at will when it isn't the case. you just carry on supporting the clowns then. They will be the death of CAFC You just carry on living in a fantasy world. If minimising costs makes you the death of a company, God help any half competent CEO. |
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Post by cafcjack83 on Jul 4, 2022 12:39:55 GMT
Agree with all that 👆 A mate of mine a few years back (8yrs or so) was offered the head coaching role of the Colchester Utd academy (league one at the time I believe) salary = £20k 🥺 No idea if Thomas and or Raelynn were involved. Probably 🤔 Jon De Souza previously at Colchester was on around 25k for their Director of Performance, had his wages nearly double coming to CAFC I've heard. |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 13:04:01 GMT
If he was an employee then it would be 100% the Yank Plank has used the 'freelance' loop hole, a gentleman would have rewarded Jamie with a perm position & pay to match his skills. No doubt he was billing more than TS wanted to pay , TS has made the position for Jamie untenable. examples - changing their working hours so drastically that they are unreasonable, overly cutting your employee’s pay. He wasn’t an employee can you read ? "If he was an employee" |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 13:09:08 GMT
you just carry on supporting the clowns then. They will be the death of CAFC You just carry on living in a fantasy world. If minimising costs makes you the death of a company, God help any half competent CEO. along with the cost cutting comes the de-skilling. You cant deliver the product without the tools , your competitors sweep up your discarded staff , the cat is out the bag, your company gains a reputation staff no longer want to work with your or for you. You resort to employing family and friends... you sell up / go bust |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 13:13:21 GMT
can you read ? "If he was an employee" Exactly but he wasn’t so the rest of what you wrote was completely irrelevant |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 13:13:42 GMT
You just carry on living in a fantasy world. If minimising costs makes you the death of a company, God help any half competent CEO. along with the cost cutting comes the de-skilling. You cant deliver the product without the tools , your competitors sweep up your discarded staff , the cat is out the bag, your company gains a reputation staff no longer want to work with your or for you. You resort to employing family and friends... you sell up / go bust Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts, these are marketing, ticketing and production staff which considering the profits in our business, contribute very little. Not to mention the fact they aren't completely removing these positions, just reducing overheads for non-critical roles... |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 13:15:08 GMT
along with the cost cutting comes the de-skilling. You cant deliver the product without the tools , your competitors sweep up your discarded staff , the cat is out the bag, your company gains a reputation staff no longer want to work with your or for you. You resort to employing family and friends... you sell up / go bust Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts, these are marketing, ticketing and production staff which considering the profits in our business, contribute very little. Not to mention the fact they aren't completely removing these positions, just reducing overheads for non-critical roles... "Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts" , 1st team players ... |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
can you read ? "If he was an employee" Exactly but he wasn’t so the rest of what you wrote was completely irrelevant "completely irrelevant" I'm guessing you'd know all about that |
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Post by Invictus on Jul 4, 2022 13:17:01 GMT
Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts, these are marketing, ticketing and production staff which considering the profits in our business, contribute very little. Not to mention the fact they aren't completely removing these positions, just reducing overheads for non-critical roles... "Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts" , 1st team players ... So just to get this right, you're moaning about cutting costs for first team players when you have zero way of knowing what the ultimate budget will be this year? |
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Post by AndyAddick on Jul 4, 2022 13:29:59 GMT
"Yes but we're not talking about our head coaches and sports analysts" , 1st team players ... So just to get this right, you're moaning about cutting costs for first team players when you have zero way of knowing what the ultimate budget will be this year? cos it looks promising, I'm just going on last year and the guys track record, will proved to be proved wrong |
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