The next Charlton manager

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Who do you want in to replace Adkins, hopefully this week.

My preferences in order -

1. Ryan Lowe. As highlighted by Mundell article in the Times, a young progressive and imaginative coach, who had done a superb job at Bury & now Plymouth Argyle.

2. Michael Duff. Similar profile to Lowe. Has achieved near miracles on no budget at Cheltenham Town. They played us off the park at the Valley.

3. Micheal Beale. Highly rated by Steven Gerrard among others, and clearly fancies the job. I couldn’t see his radical ideas working under the current set up, but he’d be a very bold choice.

4. Jackson as caretaker IF Curbs was his mentor. Otherwise, no. Lack of experience counts against him, plus our dreadful defending this season, which he is accountable for as defensive coach.

Of others currently in work who might be tempted by a decent offer from Sandgaard, I’d look at Warne at Rotherham and Ainsworth at Wycombe.

Before BB starts with his straw men, nobody wants Pulis, McCarthy or Jimmy Sirrell at the Valley, and we know our owner can’t afford Wilder or Eddie Howe.

[norfolkrobin]

Oct 17, 2021 13:44:20 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Who do you want in to replace Adkins, hopefully this week.

My preferences in order -

1. Ryan Lowe. As highlighted by Mundell article in the Times, a young progressive and imaginative coach, who had done a superb job at Bury & now Plymouth Argyle.

2. Michael Duff. Similar profile to Lowe. Has achieved near miracles on no budget at Cheltenham Town. They played us off the park at the Valley.

3. Micheal Beale. Highly rated by Steven Gerrard among others, and clearly fancies the job. I couldn’t see his radical ideas working under the current set up, but he’d be a very bold choice.

4. Jackson as caretaker IF Curbs was his mentor. Otherwise, no. Lack of experience counts against him, plus our dreadful defending this season, which he is accountable for as defensive coach.

Of others currently in work who might be tempted by a decent offer from Sandgaard, I’d look at Warne at Rotherham and Ainsworth at Wycombe.

Before BB starts with his straw men, nobody wants Pulis, McCarthy or Jimmy Sirrell at the Valley, and we know our owner can’t afford Wilder or Eddie Howe.

No problems with those name's,other name's suggested/mentioned on the other forum that caught my eye.

Matt Taylor at Exeter,ex player,seems a capable young coach.

Alex Neil,wouldn't be my top choice,but most of my Norwich supporting mates thought he was hard done by and done a decent job.Not really sure what happened at Preston,just ran it's course I guess?

[manikin]

Oct 17, 2021 13:44:20 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Who do you want in to replace Adkins, hopefully this week.

My preferences in order -

1. Ryan Lowe. As highlighted by Mundell article in the Times, a young progressive and imaginative coach, who had done a superb job at Bury & now Plymouth Argyle.

2. Michael Duff. Similar profile to Lowe. Has achieved near miracles on no budget at Cheltenham Town. They played us off the park at the Valley.

3. Micheal Beale. Highly rated by Steven Gerrard among others, and clearly fancies the job. I couldn’t see his radical ideas working under the current set up, but he’d be a very bold choice.

4. Jackson as caretaker IF Curbs was his mentor. Otherwise, no. Lack of experience counts against him, plus our dreadful defending this season, which he is accountable for as defensive coach.

Of others currently in work who might be tempted by a decent offer from Sandgaard, I’d look at Warne at Rotherham and Ainsworth at Wycombe.

Before BB starts with his straw men, nobody wants Pulis, McCarthy or Jimmy Sirrell at the Valley, and we know our owner can’t afford Wilder or Eddie Howe.

I can't see Sandgaard coming up with a decent offer, or anyone taking it on with a pie in the sky budget.

[Mundell]

Michael Beale

There is, of course, no guarantee that he could translate his coaching ability into being a Head Coach, i.e. the guy with ultimate responsibility for the performance of the first team, and it’s possible he wouldn’t be available, at least not for a side struggling in League One, but in my view Michael Beale has exactly the kind of profile we should be looking at. He’d improve players and develop team play which is greater than the sum of the parts. He would also have the potential to excel as a Head Coach in the Championship and beyond. 

PS You’ll see from the link above that he has local connections. 

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2021 14:16:12 GMT Mundell said:

Michael Beale

There is, of course, no guarantee that he could translate his coaching ability into being a Head Coach, i.e. the guy with ultimate responsibility for the performance of the first team, and it’s possible he wouldn’t be available, at least not for a side struggling in League One, but in my view Michael Beale has exactly the kind of profile we should be looking at. He’d improve players and develop team play which is greater than the sum of the parts. He would also have the potential to excel as a Head Coach in the Championship and beyond. 

PS You’ll see from the link above that he has local connections. 

I wasn’t really aware of Beale until recently, but I’ve seen a couple of interviews with him and read up on his background. His testimonials are certainly impressive - Steven Gerrard was an elite player and is no mug. Beale is full of ideas and theories that get an extra 2-3% out of average lower league players. Ditto Lowe at Plymouth.

If the playing budget is to remain tight under Sandgaard, as seems inevitable now, it’s no good going for lower level Mike Bassett’s like Adkins.

I fear the horse has bolted with regards to Lowe, it would take a big offer to shift him at the present time.

[paperboy]

Michael Beale, but there is no point in hiring a new manager/head coach whilst GR is still there.

[dartford36]

Enticing a manager/head coach who is currently in employment at another club would, I guess, require TS to cough up some financial compensation to their present employer?

If TS is as parsimonious as some would believe, having to pay off NA (at least, if not others currently on the pay roll), and compensating another club for the services of their manager might be one expense too far for our owner? 

We we can only speculate on what will happen - I would have suggested Taylor too but norfolkrobin got in first.

[leedsaddick]

There is an underlying assumption here that CAFC would be an attractive proposition…. However, many people have posted observations, that the Club owner is a delusional, cash strapped, egocentric maniac who hasn’t got a clue about running a football club, and has Senior Management Team of incompetents…. Why would a manager who is currently successfully be interested in joining a Club with this profile?

The point I’m making is that there is a contradiction ie you can’t be an attractive club to manage, and have a managerial infrastructure that has seen the Club regress

[canterburyaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 14:25:12 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Oct 17, 2021 14:16:12 GMT Mundell said:

Michael Beale

There is, of course, no guarantee that he could translate his coaching ability into being a Head Coach, i.e. the guy with ultimate responsibility for the performance of the first team, and it’s possible he wouldn’t be available, at least not for a side struggling in League One, but in my view Michael Beale has exactly the kind of profile we should be looking at. He’d improve players and develop team play which is greater than the sum of the parts. He would also have the potential to excel as a Head Coach in the Championship and beyond. 

PS You’ll see from the link above that he has local connections. 

I wasn’t really aware of Beale until recently, but I’ve seen a couple of interviews with him and read up on his background. His testimonials are certainly impressive - Steven Gerrard was an elite player and is no mug. Beale is full of ideas and theories that get an extra 2-3% out of average lower league players. Ditto Lowe at Plymouth.

If the playing budget is to remain tight under Sandgaard, as seems inevitable now, it’s no good going for lower level Mike Bassett’s like Adkins.

I fear the horse has bolted with regards to Lowe, it would take a big offer to shift him at the present time.

I remember reading that a while back. Beale would be an interesting shout. There seems a lot of blame leveled at Roddy, but does anyone really know what he actually does? Genuine question.

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 15:10:25 GMT leedsaddick said:

There is an underlying assumption here that CAFC would be an attractive proposition…. However, many people have posted observations, that the Club owner is a delusional, cash strapped, egocentric maniac who hasn’t got a clue about running a football club, and has Senior Management Team of incompetents…. Why would a manager who is currently successfully be interested in joining a Club with this profile?

The point I’m making is that there is a contradiction ie you can’t be an attractive club to manage, and have a managerial infrastructure that has seen the Club regress

That’s an interesting assumption that CAFC would be an attractive proposition,

I think any new manager worth his salt would struggle to work with this so called Recruitment Team set up……can you imagine someone like Chris Wilder coming in with GR and SG & co doing all their analytical stuff and then palming Wilder off with a load of unfit players because they couldn’t get game time at their original clubs…😳….Can you imagine Wilder putting up with SG saying no that player you want Chris we are not prepared to pay the going rate for………..….No I don’t think so either……….The problems run deeper than who the new manager is…..

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2021 13:44:20 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Who do you want in to replace Adkins, hopefully this week.

My preferences in order -

1. Ryan Lowe. As highlighted by Mundell article in the Times, a young progressive and imaginative coach, who had done a superb job at Bury & now Plymouth Argyle.

2. Michael Duff. Similar profile to Lowe. Has achieved near miracles on no budget at Cheltenham Town. They played us off the park at the Valley.

3. Micheal Beale. Highly rated by Steven Gerrard among others, and clearly fancies the job. I couldn’t see his radical ideas working under the current set up, but he’d be a very bold choice.

4. Jackson as caretaker IF Curbs was his mentor. Otherwise, no. Lack of experience counts against him, plus our dreadful defending this season, which he is accountable for as defensive coach.

Of others currently in work who might be tempted by a decent offer from Sandgaard, I’d look at Warne at Rotherham and Ainsworth at Wycombe.

Before BB starts with his straw men, nobody wants Pulis, McCarthy or Jimmy Sirrell at the Valley, and we know our owner can’t afford Wilder or Eddie Howe.

I'd be happy with options 1 - 3. I also like Appleton at Lincoln. Wasn't pulling up trees before them but they play attractive football (we're miles better than us yesterday) and he's worked wonders with a small budget.

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2021 15:19:42 GMT canterburyaddick said:

Oct 17, 2021 14:25:12 GMT @workinglikeants said:

I wasn’t really aware of Beale until recently, but I’ve seen a couple of interviews with him and read up on his background. His testimonials are certainly impressive - Steven Gerrard was an elite player and is no mug. Beale is full of ideas and theories that get an extra 2-3% out of average lower league players. Ditto Lowe at Plymouth.

If the playing budget is to remain tight under Sandgaard, as seems inevitable now, it’s no good going for lower level Mike Bassett’s like Adkins.

I fear the horse has bolted with regards to Lowe, it would take a big offer to shift him at the present time.

I remember reading that a while back. Beale would be an interesting shout. There seems a lot of blame leveled at Roddy, but does anyone really know what he actually does? Genuine question.

Sandgaard has been asked directly how he first met Roddy, and declined to give a direct answer. The fact that 12 months in nobody really knows or understands what Roddy does surely says a lot.

As I understand it, he works alongside Gallen but is effectively his boss, and identifies players that he recommends to Sandgaard & Adkins. It’s comical. He’s had our naive owner’s trousers down.

[leedsaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 15:23:34 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Oct 17, 2021 15:10:25 GMT leedsaddick said:

There is an underlying assumption here that CAFC would be an attractive proposition…. However, many people have posted observations, that the Club owner is a delusional, cash strapped, egocentric maniac who hasn’t got a clue about running a football club, and has Senior Management Team of incompetents…. Why would a manager who is currently successfully be interested in joining a Club with this profile?

The point I’m making is that there is a contradiction ie you can’t be an attractive club to manage, and have a managerial infrastructure that has seen the Club regress

That’s an interesting assumption that CAFC would be an attractive proposition,

I think any new manager worth his salt would struggle to work with this so called Recruitment Team set up……can you imagine someone like Chris Wilder coming in with GR and SG & co doing all their analytical stuff and then palming Wilder off with a load of unfit players because they couldn’t get game time at their original clubs…😳….Can you imagine Wilder putting up with SG saying no that player you want Chris we are not prepared to pay the going rate for………..….No I don’t think so either……….The problems run deeper than who the new manager is…..

Or, does the fan base have to revise their expectations that CAFC is not a big Club, but has a rich history, and due to financial limitations and the fact that competition throughout the football pyramid is stronger, means that in reality the Clubs realistic capabilities is somewhere between middle of league 1 and mid table of the championship

[dartford36]

Oct 17, 2021 15:10:25 GMT leedsaddick said:

There is an underlying assumption here that CAFC would be an attractive proposition…. However, many people have posted observations, that the Club owner is a delusional, cash strapped, egocentric maniac who hasn’t got a clue about running a football club, and has Senior Management Team of incompetents…. Why would a manager who is currently successfully be interested in joining a Club with this profile?

The point I’m making is that there is a contradiction ie you can’t be an attractive club to manage, and have a managerial infrastructure that has seen the Club regress

I see where you're coming from AC, and if a change in manager was/is in the offing the challenge facing TS is to sell the club as an attractive proposition to manage/coach - and to do so, I suggest, he might be advised to allow the candidate to bring in his own backroom team as a new broom sweeping clean. Simply to drop someone else on his own into the pottage that is CAFC and be expected to change things overnight is unlikely to be fruitful IMHO.

But it's easy for supporters to make speculative suggestions as to what could happen, without the responsibility of having to carry it out isn't it? But it does make for good conversation. 👍

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 15:30:47 GMT leedsaddick said:

Oct 17, 2021 15:23:34 GMT aucklandaddick said:

That’s an interesting assumption that CAFC would be an attractive proposition,

I think any new manager worth his salt would struggle to work with this so called Recruitment Team set up……can you imagine someone like Chris Wilder coming in with GR and SG & co doing all their analytical stuff and then palming Wilder off with a load of unfit players because they couldn’t get game time at their original clubs…😳….Can you imagine Wilder putting up with SG saying no that player you want Chris we are not prepared to pay the going rate for………..….No I don’t think so either……….The problems run deeper than who the new manager is…..

Or, does the fan base have to revise their expectations that CAFC is not a big Club, but has a rich history, and due to financial limitations and the fact that competition throughout the football pyramid is stronger, means that in reality the Clubs realistic capabilities is somewhere between middle of league 1 and mid table of the championship

I think fans expectations at present are probably at an all time low…..plenty of fans including myself thought we would have a real go this season via a Wigan style transfer process this summer but ended up where we are with a half fit squad full of players that couldn’t get a game with their previous respective clubs…..

At present I would just settle for us actually playing some decent football and competing with sides on a far lower wage bracket than ours which is a very sad state of affairs……but it is what it is……

[reamsofverse]

How do we select a new manager when there is clearly no strategy or leadership at the club.

[ISawBogleScore]

There's zero point in thinking about who we would all want, IF Adkins leaves, which I very much doubt he will, he will be replaced by Jackson because he's the cheapest option.

[norfolkrobin]

Oct 17, 2021 14:30:11 GMT dartford36 said:

Enticing a manager/head coach who is currently in employment at another club would, I guess, require TS to cough up some financial compensation to their present employer?

If TS is as parsimonious as some would believe, having to pay off NA (at least, if not others currently on the pay roll), and compensating another club for the services of their manager might be one expense too far for our owner? 

We we can only speculate on what will happen - I would have suggested Taylor too but norfolkrobin got in first.

Great minds and all that haha.

Not looking good is it?,Silence because things are in motion? Or praying that silence and somehow blagging a win against Accrington on Tuesday night will paper over the canyon?

[ExeterAddick]

Whoever it is, we need to get it spot on otherwise we’re going down

[backhand]

Steve Bruce till end of season, steady the ship

[pardew123]

Beale or a duff for me much younger than Badkins brighter too he’s a dinosaur

[reamsofverse]

If we had a decent owner who wanted to spend money my choice would be Hearts boss Robbie Neilson. Doing a cracking job at Tynecastle.

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2021 19:23:07 GMT reamsofverse said:

If we had a decent owner who wanted to spend money my choice would be Hearts boss Robbie Neilson. Doing a cracking job at Tynecastle.

He didn't do a great job at MK Dons though.

I have seen a prediction tonight that paying off Adkins and recruiting a new manager is going to cost Sandgaard north of £1m.

I can't see it happening, at least until the fans are really on his back. 

[canterburyaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 15:29:59 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Oct 17, 2021 15:19:42 GMT canterburyaddick said:

I remember reading that a while back. Beale would be an interesting shout. There seems a lot of blame leveled at Roddy, but does anyone really know what he actually does? Genuine question.

Sandgaard has been asked directly how he first met Roddy, and declined to give a direct answer. The fact that 12 months in nobody really knows or understands what Roddy does surely says a lot.

As I understand it, he works alongside Gallen but is effectively his boss, and identifies players that he recommends to Sandgaard & Adkins. It’s comical. He’s had our naive owner’s trousers down.

Thanks for that WLA. In some ways the plot thickens.

[squareball]

Can’t see it happening. What managers would be crazy enough to leave their club and take on our shower of tripe only to end up with petty demanding fans breathing down their necks which will ultimately end up with their sacking. Underperforming players get more support than underperforming managers. They know it, we know it.
Personally l think we are stuck with this guy for the time being. We won’t get relegated but it won’t be a pretty season either.

[seriouslyred]

Oct 17, 2021 14:26:36 GMT paperboy said:

Michael Beale, but there is no point in hiring a new manager/head coach whilst GR is still there.

Tend to agree - important to replace Roddy asap to get a fresh look at the squad, strategy and the January window.

We either have the wrong budgets or have been looking at the wrong players. And the narrative coming from the club lacks both congruence and precision.

Some performances this season are much the same as last! Just that we flattered to deceive during the run in. Could say more about that but fundamentally too many things going wrong, starting with Sangaard too close to the football side.

Therefore new DoF / technical director who then appraised situation, preps for window, and commences search for new head coach. Put bluntly, should it be Sandgaard and Roddy replacing Adkins?

What leads us to believe things might improve?

[earlpurple]

My ideal would be for Thomas Sandgaard to appoint Alan Curbishley as "director of football" regarding the first team, the direction of it, and would assign the job to Curbishley to pick who the first team manager is, so it would be Curbs who would fire Adkins if necessary and not TS himself.

Ged Roddy might remain as part of the academy, if he really is doing a good job there. I think that's partly why he was brought in.

It would be up to Curbishley whether there's any place in the club still for Steve Gallen.

[vaangard]

JJ has to go with Badkins, Roddy, and Gallen (who totally lost it signing Kirk for money, along with Stockley and Clare. And players who weren't even 1st choice in L1 sides).

Curbs to steady the ship while we talk to Beale about his vision.

[manikin]

If Adkins does eventually go, it seems likely that there would be an interim appointment until January or even until the end of the season. This is the cheaper option at the moment as far as Sandgaard is concerned. This is where I feel the likes of Curbs and Brown could come it. If nothing is done within the next couple of weeks I fear it will be too late! I still struggle to get my head around the fact that we have sunk so low.

[tonaddick]

Oct 17, 2021 13:44:20 GMT @workinglikeants said:

Who do you want in to replace Adkins, hopefully this week.

My preferences in order -

1. Ryan Lowe. As highlighted by Mundell article in the Times, a young progressive and imaginative coach, who had done a superb job at Bury & now Plymouth Argyle.

2. Michael Duff. Similar profile to Lowe. Has achieved near miracles on no budget at Cheltenham Town. They played us off the park at the Valley.

3. Micheal Beale. Highly rated by Steven Gerrard among others, and clearly fancies the job. I couldn’t see his radical ideas working under the current set up, but he’d be a very bold choice.

4. Jackson as caretaker IF Curbs was his mentor. Otherwise, no. Lack of experience counts against him, plus our dreadful defending this season, which he is accountable for as defensive coach.

Of others currently in work who might be tempted by a decent offer from Sandgaard, I’d look at Warne at Rotherham and Ainsworth at Wycombe.

Before BB starts with his straw men, nobody wants Pulis, McCarthy or Jimmy Sirrell at the Valley, and we know our owner can’t afford Wilder or Eddie Howe.

The problem is that 1 and 2 would be expensive as TS would have to buy them out of existing contracts - we don't appear to have the budgets under TS that we had under RD.  Neither of them would resign from current roles to get into a relegation fight with a team they have not recruited.  I like 3, but would he risk trashing his reputation to come and try to keep us up.  And definitely not number 4 - there has been a constant in the dressing room over the last 3 seasons and it's not Ged Roddy.  JJ was a great player, but not sure how well he is cut out to be a coach.  From pre-match warm ups I get the chance he is in charge of drilling and coaching the defenders.

We need a clear out of the stables.  Beale is the most attractive of the 4 you mention.  But we saw that TS wouldn't pull the trigger on LB.  How likely is he to change behaviour on someone that he appointed?