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Post by discocafc on Jul 19, 2021 9:24:31 GMT
Too be honest mate, whether he saved the club or not I really couldn't care less about his music. As things stand he has saved something to make a profit from in a couple of year's time. Anyone who thinks he is in this for the long haul needs to give their heads a wobble. Any owner that comes in and buys a club but doesn't want to invest in the playing side, hasn't bought it for the right reasons. I think you are being pretty personal about fans in your last post to be honest yet judge people who you accuse of being personal towards the owner. No owner makes profits at a football club. Remember we nearly went out if business before Sandgaard came in to the scene and he would’ve put money in to help stabilise the club at least. We also made transfers over January and before when we had nothing under ESI before. It’s you who needs to give your head a wobble, you’re so negative about everything with Charlton.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:30:59 GMT
I really don’t want to get into a spat with you, but I wish you’d stop polarising issues and creating division. It’s completely unnecessary. You clearly hated Roland Duchatelet with a passion and jumped on anything anyone said which failed to satisfy your need to condemn him at every turn. Now you’ve got Thomas Sandgaard on a pedestal and any criticism of him is viewed as an original sin which needs to be corrected. This is a football discussion forum, not a cult. It’s possible to believe that Sandgaard is a good guy who has the club’s interests at heart and yet hold the view that his need to play his guitar on the pitch, in front of fans, is a bit pathetic. That happens to be my view, just my perspective as I said above. I’m entitled to it and it doesn’t mean I’m attacking the owner or campaigning against him. It's cool. No more spats. I'm withdrawing from the debate regarding Charlton's owners, landlords, managers etc. I'll try to focus on the football from now on - an area where I have much to learn. I won't be rubbing anyone up the wrong way from now on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:45:19 GMT
Too be honest mate, whether he saved the club or not I really couldn't care less about his music. As things stand he has saved something to make a profit from in a couple of year's time. Anyone who thinks he is in this for the long haul needs to give their heads a wobble. Any owner that comes in and buys a club but doesn't want to invest in the playing side, hasn't bought it for the right reasons. I think you are being pretty personal about fans in your last post to be honest yet judge people who you accuse of being personal towards the owner. No owner makes profits at a football club. Remember we nearly went out if business before Sandgaard came in to the scene and he would’ve put money in to help stabilise the club at least. We also made transfers over January and before when we had nothing under ESI before. It’s you who needs to give your head a wobble, you’re so negative about everything with Charlton. Fair point, but I don’t think it’s a secret that Sandgaard’s stated end game is the Premier League & then in all likelihood sell us on at a huge profit. It might also explain why he didn’t buy the Valley from Duchatelet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:47:46 GMT
I was pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters *in relation to his ill advised Tweet about finishing his song last night* That’s in the context of our lack of investment in players this summer. It came across and egotistical and lacking self awareness. It’s probably best for everyone’s sanity if we leave it at that. The Mods views are well understood. You & lardi remain big TS supporters, and the other fella changes his by the hour. Hopefully we will sign 4/5 players this week. I suppose you mean me by your disrespectful changes his by the hour. You are wrong there as you are with a lot of things. I have supported Sandgaard from when he bought us. I still support him 100 per cent. I have not changed my mind. This Forum has gone rapidly downhill since you came back. The amount of personal jibes you come out with, trying to put people down. A number of people have pmd me wanting you gone and saying they will not post until you go. Coming from someone who was snidey about the nicest Charlton fan you will ever meet on the other forum & caused him to leave as a result, I’ll take your comments with a pinch of salt. You are one strange bloke. You have to be Top Dog. I’ll carry on ignoring you for now..
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Post by discocafc on Jul 19, 2021 9:52:16 GMT
No owner makes profits at a football club. Remember we nearly went out if business before Sandgaard came in to the scene and he would’ve put money in to help stabilise the club at least. We also made transfers over January and before when we had nothing under ESI before. It’s you who needs to give your head a wobble, you’re so negative about everything with Charlton. Fair point, but I don’t think it’s a secret that Sandgaard’s stated end game is the Premier League & then in all likelihood sell us on at a huge profit. It might also explain why he didn’t buy the Valley from Duchatelet. I don’t think it will bother many of us at all if we get to the Premier League and Sandgaard sells us for a profit, win-win situation. I can’t imagine Roland is the best negotiator. Think TS will eventually buy it from him but least we have a longer lease on it.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 19, 2021 10:17:56 GMT
Fair point, but I don’t think it’s a secret that Sandgaard’s stated end game is the Premier League & then in all likelihood sell us on at a huge profit. It might also explain why he didn’t buy the Valley from Duchatelet. I don’t think it will bother many of us at all if we get to the Premier League and Sandgaard sells us for a profit, win-win situation. I can’t imagine Roland is the best negotiator. Think TS will eventually buy it from him but least we have a longer lease on it. I don't agree with your last paragraph. I think Roland is very rich and very stubborn. Those people, almost, never back down. When you look at the protests and the attacks aimed at him you have to wonder why he didn't just cut his losses and walk away. The loss of money wouldn't have made any difference to him, his children or his grandchildren. All three generations would have had more money than they would ever need, either way. In the end, despite, literally, hundreds and hundreds of fans insisting that he would walk away in the end, he managed to get £50m for The Valley and Sparrows Lane. When that went south he renegotiated a £500k a year rent agreement with Sandgaard. Remember that the value of land in London is, currently, appreciating at close to 10% pa. Nothing about Roland, or Sandgaard, for that mater, makes me think that the latter will 'get a deal' out of the former. One positive I have, though - and I know this will be an unpopular view, is that I think that Roland is an integrous business man, so, even though I don't think he'll sell for less, I don't think he'll try to back out of the deal, currently, in place.
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Post by discocafc on Jul 19, 2021 10:29:15 GMT
I don’t think it will bother many of us at all if we get to the Premier League and Sandgaard sells us for a profit, win-win situation. I can’t imagine Roland is the best negotiator. Think TS will eventually buy it from him but least we have a longer lease on it. I don't agree with your last paragraph. I think Roland is very rich and very stubborn. Those people, almost, never back down. When you look at the protests and the attacks aimed at him you have to wonder why he didn't just cut his losses and walk away. The loss of money wouldn't have made any difference to him, his children or his grandchildren. All three generations would have had more money than they would ever need, either way. In the end, despite, literally, hundreds and hundreds of fans insisting that he would walk away in the end, he managed to get £50m for The Valley and Sparrows Lane. When that went south he renegotiated a £500k a year rent agreement with Sandgaard. Remember that the value of land in London is, currently, appreciating at close to 10% pa. Nothing about Roland, or Sandgaard, for that mater, makes me think that the latter will 'get a deal' out of the former. One positive I have, though - and I know this will be an unpopular view, is that I think that Roland is an integrous business man, so, even though I don't think he'll sell for less, I don't think he'll try to back out of the deal, currently, in place. I can’t argue with you on that, maybe I’m being a bit too optimistic. We’ll see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 12:15:05 GMT
Ha I might have shared my amended Metallica lyrics with him Anything that gives him enjoyment is good in my book. Anything that stimulates his interest is good in my book. Id be happy for him to do his tune on the pitch at halftime. Even if it was crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 12:17:51 GMT
Ha I might have shared my amended Metallica lyrics with him Anything that gives him enjoyment is good in my book. Anything that stimulates his interest is good in my book. Id be happy for him to do his tune on the pitch at halftime. Even if it was crap. That's a good point I hadn't thought of - just a week or two ago people were speculating on our lack of transfers being linked to TS social media activity and overall enthusiasm for the club, you are right in saying anything that keeps him engaged at CAFC will keep his vision fresh in his mind. Be it for personal gratification or otherwise.
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Post by clarky on Jul 19, 2021 13:32:08 GMT
Entertainment of this kind at football matches isn't really my thing, but if that is what he wants to do then fine by me as I have the choice not to watch/listen if I don't want to. Didn't bother with the opera singer but strangely enough I kind of want to see TS perform just so I can judge for myself how good/cringe worthy the performance is. Shame JJ will be occupied on matchday as he is a good singer and guitarist and the two of them together would be interesting.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 19, 2021 14:42:37 GMT
The Hills are alive with the sound of bullshit!! 😁😁
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 19, 2021 19:40:56 GMT
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 19, 2021 20:19:45 GMT
So are we going to get teasers for the song every day or so until the big reveal live on Sky Sports? Are we sure that Thomas hasn’t reunited Oasis? Even the Gallagher brothers wouldn’t go to this much trouble to release a song!
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 19, 2021 20:30:29 GMT
It should have already started Sandgaard. It's not all about you fella. If it is, it shouldn't be. New players are paramount, your silly little PR stunt isn't.
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Post by dartford36 on Jul 19, 2021 20:57:10 GMT
Really not sure what to make of all these videos. As Kenny Everett used to say it’s all in the best possible taste! Actually, it was the character Cupid Stunt that said it
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 19, 2021 22:05:23 GMT
Millwall fans refer to him as Danish Dave!!
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Post by 33cafc on Jul 20, 2021 8:36:15 GMT
Are people genuinely getting upset about all of this ?
It's like when their was outrage at the new goal nets.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jul 20, 2021 9:09:46 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 20, 2021 9:20:24 GMT
Again, I am all for what is seemingly going to be TS day but as soon as the fun is ovet and that first whistle blows the serious stuff stsrts and we better have a team out there to match all the hype.
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Post by earlpurple on Jul 20, 2021 9:38:45 GMT
Arrange a meeting with Thomas Sandgaard offering to contribute a million a year into the budget as long as it goes towards player salaries so they can improve the first team playing squad.
You don't have that money? Stop complaining then..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 9:45:24 GMT
All the hoopla doesn't sit very well with me. The time has come to concentrate on the team and getting in a few more bodies.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 20, 2021 9:45:54 GMT
Arrange a meeting with Thomas Sandgaard offering to contribute a million a year into the budget as long as it goes towards player salaries so they can improve the first team playing squad. You don't have that money? Stop complaining then.. Was that your perspective when Roland Duchatelet owned the club? If so, fair enough. If not, how do you explain the disconnect?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 20, 2021 9:53:58 GMT
Arrange a meeting with Thomas Sandgaard offering to contribute a million a year into the budget as long as it goes towards player salaries so they can improve the first team playing squad. You don't have that money? Stop complaining then.. No thanks, I'm not the one spouting my mouth off saying we are going to smash league 1 so if your going to talk the talk, expect fans to call you out on it. He's put pressure on himself to deliver and some fans want players before they want pre-match entertainment.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 20, 2021 9:59:27 GMT
I presume that someone has told Thomas that the average age of Charlton fans will ensure that most of them will consider The Beatles to be a bit too loud. The likes of Metallica would make them glad that their hearing is going.
I play a bit of guitar and sing along with it so I can understand the desire to perform in front of a large audience - albeit that I don't have the personality or confidence to ever perform in front of anyone. So I understand why he might want to do this, and he has spent a lot of money 'buying' these fans. Let's face it, you buy the club you have some kind of 'ownership' of the fan base.
Certainly if you 'book yourself' to perform before the first (and possibly biggest) home game of the season you are guaranteed a big crowd - only massive music artists can expect 10k plus fans at their gigs.
I'm delighted that he can get something out of owning our club, other than big bills to pay. I just worry that his music is not going to appeal to very many of our fans, and, of course, that the whole thing will be a bit cringe worthy. I suspect that if he did a few covers of songs that the fans sing they might join in and drown out the Sheff Wed fans.
Having said all that, I still think that his popularity is under threat if he doesn't sign enough decent players. We have a crisis at the club with Covid now which makes immediate signings even more important.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jul 20, 2021 10:04:12 GMT
Arrange a meeting with Thomas Sandgaard offering to contribute a million a year into the budget as long as it goes towards player salaries so they can improve the first team playing squad. You don't have that money? Stop complaining then.. No thanks, I'm not the one spouting my mouth off saying we are going to smash league 1 so if your going to talk the talk, expect fans to call you out on it. He's put pressure on himself to deliver and some fans want players before they want pre-match entertainment. Despite having heard rumours (from someone I trust, and who would know) that suggest that he is not going to spend much money, I'm still hoping that the latest comments anout spending 'a little more' and being more sensible are to backtrack from the 'Smash the League' announcement after the other clubs, and players and agents, took him at his word and inflated all their demands.
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Post by earlpurple on Jul 20, 2021 10:18:01 GMT
Arrange a meeting with Thomas Sandgaard offering to contribute a million a year into the budget as long as it goes towards player salaries so they can improve the first team playing squad. You don't have that money? Stop complaining then.. Was that your perspective when Roland Duchatelet owned the club? If so, fair enough. If not, how do you explain the disconnect? Roland wanted to make us part of his network, then initially brought in useless players and tried to interfere with the manager to get him to play them, followed by a series of useless coaches among other things to get us relegated.
After finally appearing to put things right, he then gave us the lowest budget in the Championship and sold us to rookies whilst holding on to the assets.
My first cousin was once chairman of a different football club. I'd rather he'd given the money to me (and his other relatives), but it was his money to spend the way he wished.
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Post by clarky on Jul 20, 2021 10:42:31 GMT
Millwall fans refer to him as Danish Dave!! Whoopee do Millwall, personally don't give a flying fuck what they think.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 20, 2021 10:51:11 GMT
No thanks, I'm not the one spouting my mouth off saying we are going to smash league 1 so if your going to talk the talk, expect fans to call you out on it. He's put pressure on himself to deliver and some fans want players before they want pre-match entertainment. Despite having heard rumours (from someone I trust, and who would know) that suggest that he is not going to spend much money, I'm still hoping that the latest comments anout spending 'a little more' and being more sensible are to backtrack from the 'Smash the League' announcement after the other clubs, and players and agents, took him at his word and inflated all their demands. Personally I think he will spend as much as is needed to make us top 6 competitive……
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jul 20, 2021 10:54:30 GMT
Millwall fans refer to him as Danish Dave!! Whoopee do Millwall, personally don't give a flying fuck what they think. I always find it really strange how Millwall fans should take such an interest in what is going on at CAFC……I thought West Ham were their arch rivals…….I wouldn’t have a clue on who they have bought or sold this pre-season…..nor would I be that interested TBH….I am only interested on the business that we do….
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:35:58 GMT
Why would you buy The Valley off Roland the Grudge when you wait for him to die and pick it up for peanuts off his Executor?
Roland sold us to ESI because he wanted his revenge.
Personally, I'm up for a bit of Heavy Metal football. I think it would be sensational to have the Chairman leading a sing song on the Axe
He would be well advised to start off with club anthems though (no not those kind Katrien!)
15 minutes to kick off and Rock on Tommy leading VFR? Man that would be awesome!
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