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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 20:58:35 GMT
I am not interested in Thomas's song. I find it all a bit embarrassing. But it is his Club, he can do what he likes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:01:03 GMT
He’ll either get no more than 5 seconds air time on sky. They’ll say “that’s different” and move on or this will be our Delia moment. I hope he plays it p*ssed thinking about it I think this is what will happen too. Sandgaard strums & croons on live TV for 5 seconds, 3,000 Sheff Wed fans scream in derision, cue a “fucking hell” from the Sky TV producer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:10:44 GMT
Oh god Delia. Of course, this our Delia moment. Like Palace and Millwall fans ain't got enough ammo! Like we care what Palace & Millwall think of us? That's not why some of us act so cynical and laddish is it - to be more accepted in the eyes of fans of our rivals? No wonder they laugh at us. "Please Thomas, don't embarrass us at the Valley, we'll never hear the end of it from the Palace & Millwall fans..."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:15:49 GMT
He’ll either get no more than 5 seconds air time on sky. They’ll say “that’s different” and move on or this will be our Delia moment. I hope he plays it p*ssed thinking about it I think this is what will happen too. Sandgaard strums & croons on live TV for 5 seconds, 3,000 Sheff Wed fans scream in derision, cue a “fucking hell” from the Sky TV producer. What are you so frightened of - some stick from Sheffield Wednesday fans? Who the f**king hell are they? Can't believe you're that sensitive. Talk about insecure... Let's call off the show because the away fans might have a laugh. And who cares what Sky shows on their programme either? B*****ks to them too. Or are we frightened of not looking good on TV now as well. Quite a lot of snowflakes all of a sudden, on the hottest day of the year.
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Post by revilo on Jul 18, 2021 21:36:40 GMT
I agree, I don't care what other teams think of us. Sandgaard is the owner so he can do what he likes.
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Post by clarky on Jul 18, 2021 21:37:59 GMT
Surprise, surprise, another thread which ends up knocking TS. It is all getting rather tiresome and extremely predictable. I think we all know each others views by now and constantly going over the same ground is pretty pointless. I for one will be ignoring a certain persons posts and hope others do the same as replying only encourages him to keep posting what we have all heard before.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 18, 2021 21:40:10 GMT
Disrespectful to the club’s paying customers in my view, though I suspect that Thomas Sandgaard is so egocentric this won’t have occurred to him.
Just my perspective.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jul 18, 2021 21:43:02 GMT
I am not interested in Thomas's song. I find it all a bit embarrassing. But it is his Club, he can do what he likes. exactly this… Although just because he says he’s playing a new song , how do you know he is actually going to do it…? 😉
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Post by Don't Knowitall on Jul 18, 2021 21:50:59 GMT
Oh god Delia. Of course, this our Delia moment. Like Palace and Millwall fans ain't got enough ammo! Like we care what Palace & Millwall think of us? That's not why some of us act so cynical and laddish is it - to be more accepted in the eyes of fans of our rivals? No wonder they laugh at us. "Please Thomas, don't embarrass us at the Valley, we'll never hear the end of it from the Palace & Millwall fans..." Was a tongue in cheek comment. I couldn't really care less what other fans think of us as a club. It is my opinion however, that the Danish-American David Brent act is going to be an embarrassment. Opinions and all that. Some people are equally offended by every negative comment made against Charlton or Saandgard. Snowflakes I guess.
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Post by zenga on Jul 18, 2021 21:51:11 GMT
Obviously going to be a Charlton themed song, and the proceeds (if any) will go to charity. Or maybe a song named "grumpy old men" is more fitting
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 21:55:37 GMT
Disrespectful to the club’s paying customers in my view, though I suspect that Thomas Sandgaard is so egocentric this won’t have occurred to him. Just my perspective. Paying customers? Thomas Sandgaard has shown the lifelong fans of CAFC much more respect than a tiny minority are now showing him.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 18, 2021 22:04:25 GMT
lardiman why the closed shop where criticism of TS is concerned? Fans are fully entitled to express doubt and ridicule towards him if they wish providing they do it in the right way.
I think it's extremely distasteful that he has taken to social media using words like 'Boom, I have finished my new song' as if it's something to celebrate when two of our players have serious covid symptoms and our manager is isolating.
He wants to focus on us having a squad to win football matches, I'm not interested in anything else he does.
I can still recall fans lauding over Duchatelet and then Southall, it's still very fresh in the mind and look how they turned out.
Yes TS saved the club but truth is, he hasn't done much else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 22:06:52 GMT
Like we care what Palace & Millwall think of us? That's not why some of us act so cynical and laddish is it - to be more accepted in the eyes of fans of our rivals? No wonder they laugh at us. "Please Thomas, don't embarrass us at the Valley, we'll never hear the end of it from the Palace & Millwall fans..." Was a tongue in cheek comment. I couldn't really care less what other fans think of us as a club. It is my opinion however, that the Danish-American David Brent act is going to be an embarrassment. Opinions and all that. Some people are equally offended by every negative comment made against Charlton or Saandgard. Snowflakes I guess. Sorry, I'm getting mixed signals from this reply. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment, but you've confirmed that the Danish American David Brent is going to embarrass you. That doesn't sound very tongue-in-cheek. Embarrassment is only felt if you care about what others think. So if it's not Palace or Millwall fans, whose derision are you afraid of?
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Post by tonbridgeaddick on Jul 18, 2021 22:22:17 GMT
TS will emerge from dry ice, play a riff and 5 new players will slowly appear... the Valley will erupt, and the lads win 4:0..... simple
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 22:25:20 GMT
lardiman why the closed shop where criticism of TS is concerned? Fans are fully entitled to express doubt and ridicule towards him if they wish providing they do it in the right way. I think it's extremely distasteful that he has taken to social media using words like Boom, I have finished my new song as if it's something to celebrate when two of our players have serious covid symptoms and our manager is isolating. He wants to focus on us having a squad to win football matches, I'm not interested in anything else he does. I can still recall fans lauding over Duchatelet and then Southall, it's still very fresh in the mind and look how they turned out. Yes TS saved the club but truth is, he hasn't done much else. I haven't stopped anybody criticising or ridiculing Thomas Sandgaard. I'm just calling that criticism and ridicule out for the nonsense that most of it is. And accusing Sandgaard of bad taste because he's sent a happy and positive tweet, which is supposedly disrespectful of our sick players and manager? Oh come on. You'll resort to any stick, however unlikely, to beat the man with. You say "yes TS saved the Club..." like it's nothing. A minor act of generosity that took a few minutes of his time and a couple of quid. Nothing to go overboard about. And since we've had a slow transfer window so far, some fans feel happy taking the mickey and putting him down. Because they feel too insecure to dare to show some gratitude and support for the man, or let him indulge his eccentricities. Oh Delia. David Brent. How bothered we are about a few hundred away fans taking the p*ss at the Valley. I thought when Charlton fans travel away, they give dogs abuse to home fans and sing their hearts out. Our away fans don't give a flying f**k about the feelings of opposition supporters. So why should visiting fans who come to SE7 show any respect? They have no respect for us whether Sandgaard plays his guitar or not. So why are we so afraid of what they think? Saving the Club v a supposedly 'embarrassing' guitar session. These two things cannot be compared, except by abandoning all sense of proportion.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 18, 2021 22:41:08 GMT
Too be honest mate, whether he saved the club or not I really couldn't care less about his music. As things stand he has saved something to make a profit from in a couple of year's time. Anyone who thinks he is in this for the long haul needs to give their heads a wobble. Any owner that comes in and buys a club but doesn't want to invest in the playing side, hasn't bought it for the right reasons.
I think you are being pretty personal about fans in your last post to be honest yet judge people who you accuse of being personal towards the owner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 22:52:53 GMT
OK, I'm done defending TS.
He doesn't need defending anyway. The campaign against him is based on nothing rational, so it cannot be reasoned with. Say what you like about him.
This isn't an argument worth having anymore. There are more serious matters that need attention.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jul 18, 2021 23:06:42 GMT
Lardi, like it or not, TS is will get stick until such a time that he improves the squad. He's a football club owner nowadays and it comes with the territory.
This is going to go two ways. He'll prove the doubters wrong or will fail to provide us with a squad that can compete. If it turns out to be the latter then it's inevitable that he will come in for some heavy criticism which to be fair he would have brought on himself. Saving the club is preventing that right now but I fear that there will be a very big swing in opinion.
Pointless people on here arguing over it until we see which way it goes.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 19, 2021 6:54:39 GMT
Disrespectful to the club’s paying customers in my view, though I suspect that Thomas Sandgaard is so egocentric this won’t have occurred to him. Just my perspective. Paying customers? Thomas Sandgaard has shown the lifelong fans of CAFC much more respect than a tiny minority are now showing him. I really don’t want to get into a spat with you, but I wish you’d stop polarising issues and creating division. It’s completely unnecessary. You clearly hated Roland Duchatelet with a passion and jumped on anything anyone said which failed to satisfy your need to condemn him at every turn. Now you’ve got Thomas Sandgaard on a pedestal and any criticism of him is viewed as an original sin which needs to be corrected. This is a football discussion forum, not a cult. It’s possible to believe that Sandgaard is a good guy who has the club’s interests at heart and yet hold the view that his need to play his guitar on the pitch, in front of fans, is a bit pathetic. That happens to be my view, just my perspective as I said above. I’m entitled to it and it doesn’t mean I’m attacking the owner or campaigning against him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 7:52:21 GMT
Paying customers? Thomas Sandgaard has shown the lifelong fans of CAFC much more respect than a tiny minority are now showing him. I really don’t want to get into a spat with you, but I wish you’d stop polarising issues and creating division. It’s completely unnecessary. You clearly hated Roland Duchatelet with a passion and jumped on anything anyone said which failed to satisfy your need to condemn him at every turn. Now you’ve got Thomas Sandgaard on a pedestal and any criticism of him is viewed as an original sin which needs to be corrected. This is a football discussion forum, not a cult. It’s possible to believe that Sandgaard is a good guy who has the club’s interests at heart and yet hold the view that his need to play his guitar on the pitch, in front of fans, is a bit pathetic. That happens to be my view, just my perspective as I said above. I’m entitled to it and it doesn’t mean I’m attacking the owner or campaigning against him. To be fair Mundell, I think the Thomas Sandgaard discussion is polarising by it's very nature, not Lardiman making it so.
You have two clear sides to the argument which is one side believing that Thomas Sandgaard is something of an unproven, ego-maniac who isn't putting his money where his mouth is (or enough of it). The other side are coming from the angle of this man saved our club, so what if he wants to write a song, many of us would've welcomed a song if stability come with it under ESI. I'm pretty much of that opinion myself, I'd rather he doesn't put a song on live TV that we likely won't live down for a few years - but if he's paid over £10m, he's probably earned himself that opportunity.
I don't personally see how it's polarising to say that Sandgaard doesn't deserve the disrespect a minority of fans are now showing him?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 7:57:57 GMT
valleyfaithfulWe’ve been here before, once again you are putting your own biased interpretation (like @lardiman) onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you. You are going to end up Moderating a forum that has no alternative views, or one where people who are TS sceptics are wary of putting their heads above the parapet. Lardi has got no filter on some issues. He sees people who disagree with him as heretics. Put simply, we need signings, not songs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:04:05 GMT
valleyfaithful We’ve been here before, once again you are putting your own biased interpretation (like @lardiman ) onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you. You are going to end up Moderating a forum that has no alternative views, or one where people who are TS sceptics are wary of putting their heads above the parapet. Lardi has got no filter on some issues. He sees people who disagree with him as heretics. Put simply, we need signings, not songs. You've literally just proven my point by trying (and failing once again) to call me out. My opinion is biased in the same way yours/Mundells is biased. I support TS and think he has a right to do what he wants even if I don't like it, you have the right to dislike it - we're both bias on each end of the spectrum.
Also, when you state an opinion are you 'putting your own biased interpretation onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you' or is it okay for you to have an opinion but not others? Your argument has no ground, the only way I don't put my opinion across is by not speaking - and the likes of you won't be telling me what to do now or ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:08:15 GMT
valleyfaithful We’ve been here before, once again you are putting your own biased interpretation (like @lardiman ) onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you. You are going to end up Moderating a forum that has no alternative views, or one where people who are TS sceptics are wary of putting their heads above the parapet. Lardi has got no filter on some issues. He sees people who disagree with him as heretics. Put simply, we need signings, not songs. You've literally just proven my point by trying (and failing once again) to call me out. My opinion is biased in the same way yours/Mundells is biased. I support TS and think he has a right to do what he wants even if I don't like it, you have the right to dislike it - we're both bias on each end of the spectrum.
Also, when you state an opinion are you 'putting your own biased interpretation onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you' or is it okay for you to have an opinion but not others? Your argument has no ground, the only way I don't put my opinion across is by not speaking - and the likes of you won't be telling me what to do now or ever.
We all support TS in wanting him to making a success of his time as an owner. But as an inexperienced Moderator you can’t on the one hand denounce those using the phrase “happy clapping’ and then yourself make a ridiculous , sweeping statement that fans unhappy with the lack of signings see TS as an egocentric. You are trying to be the referee and the goal scoring centre forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:12:04 GMT
You've literally just proven my point by trying (and failing once again) to call me out. My opinion is biased in the same way yours/Mundells is biased. I support TS and think he has a right to do what he wants even if I don't like it, you have the right to dislike it - we're both bias on each end of the spectrum.
Also, when you state an opinion are you 'putting your own biased interpretation onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you' or is it okay for you to have an opinion but not others? Your argument has no ground, the only way I don't put my opinion across is by not speaking - and the likes of you won't be telling me what to do now or ever.
We all support TS in wanting him to making a success of his time as an owner. But as an inexperienced Moderator you can’t on the one hand denounce them phrase “happy clapping’ and then make a ridiculous , sweeping statement that fans unhappy with the lack of signings see TS as an egocentric. You are trying to be the referee and the goal scoring centre forward. For somebody who has never met me outside of this forum, you seem to have a pretty good grasp on me personally - the away games I've been to, my experience as a moderator, what I'm trying and not trying to do. Have you noticed how this is one way traffic? My position as a Moderator was to keep discussions civil - there is one person on this forum who likes to take things to the personal and away from purely football and that person is you.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jul 19, 2021 8:12:53 GMT
If we don’t make a few decent signings that song is gonna go down like a lead balloon 🎈. Give us a decent squad go up automatically and Thomas would be able to fill the Valley to watch his band in the centre circle next summer.
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Post by webbo on Jul 19, 2021 8:41:59 GMT
The sound system at the Valley has been poor for years now, so this event might lead to an improvement. I might be the only fan looking forward to hearing the song, after all he has bought the club, saved the club even, so he has earned the opportunity to have some fun…even if it is only fun for him! The Sheffield Wednesday owner has his name spelled out permanently on the seats, Mr Sandgaard temporarily in our ears is easy to handle by comparison. It would be best of all to get three points in our pockets.
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Post by Mundell on Jul 19, 2021 8:48:20 GMT
valleyfaithful We’ve been here before, once again you are putting your own biased interpretation (like @lardiman ) onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you. You are going to end up Moderating a forum that has no alternative views, or one where people who are TS sceptics are wary of putting their heads above the parapet. Lardi has got no filter on some issues. He sees people who disagree with him as heretics. Put simply, we need signings, not songs. You've literally just proven my point by trying (and failing once again) to call me out. My opinion is biased in the same way yours/Mundells is biased. I support TS and think he has a right to do what he wants even if I don't like it, you have the right to dislike it - we're both bias on each end of the spectrum.
Also, when you state an opinion are you 'putting your own biased interpretation onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you' or is it okay for you to have an opinion but not others? Your argument has no ground, the only way I don't put my opinion across is by not speaking - and the likes of you won't be telling me what to do now or ever.
This is getting a bit tedious valleyfaithful The view I expressed on this subject was neither biased nor unbiased. It was simply my view and I made that very clear. Moreover, I did not critique anybody else’s view, saying or implying it was disrespectful or inappropriate in some way. The point I made in my post above was a very simple one. In my view, labelling or categorising people as disrespectful to the owner or as being against him in some way, simply because they are concerned about the lack of transfer activity or would prefer him not to play his guitar in the centre circle, is polarising what had been a perfectly civilised discussion and is unnecessarily divisive. I stick by that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 8:55:52 GMT
You've literally just proven my point by trying (and failing once again) to call me out. My opinion is biased in the same way yours/Mundells is biased. I support TS and think he has a right to do what he wants even if I don't like it, you have the right to dislike it - we're both bias on each end of the spectrum.
Also, when you state an opinion are you 'putting your own biased interpretation onto the views of fans who don’t agree with you' or is it okay for you to have an opinion but not others? Your argument has no ground, the only way I don't put my opinion across is by not speaking - and the likes of you won't be telling me what to do now or ever.
This is getting a bit tedious valleyfaithful The view I expressed on this subject was neither biased nor unbiased. It was simply my view and I made that very clear. Moreover, I did not critique anybody else’s view, saying or implying it was disrespectful or inappropriate in some way. The point I made in my post above was a very simple one. In my view, labelling or categorising people as disrespectful to the owner or as being against him in some way, simply because they are concerned about the lack of transfer activity or would prefer him not to play his guitar in the centre circle, is polarising what had been a perfectly civilised discussion and is unnecessarily divisive. I stick by that. Completely agree Mundell, and for the record I wasn't outright calling your view bias. ShadyTree responded to me calling my view bias, and I was trying to highlight the fact that my point was only bias in the same way that yours or his 'might be'. I tried and probably failed to point out the fact that all opinions are bias one way or the other based on our own interpretations of what is right and fair. This wasn't a slight on you, simply a reply to Shady.
Speaking of Shady, I think the discussion because polarised much earlier when he said: - "Only person actually defending his obsession with his version of the Fan’s sofa was you Colin, which came as no surprise to anyone." - "Pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters, to be honest."
The first two replies are one personal response and the other celebrating the fact the owner that saved our club is essentially getting abuse on Twitter. For people such as myself and many others judging by the response, this is beyond not liking the fact he's writing a song.
This is why I came on here to point out that this discussion because polarised much earlier than your response and that lies with an individual that isn't Lardiman, as usual I might add.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:10:26 GMT
This is getting a bit tedious valleyfaithful The view I expressed on this subject was neither biased nor unbiased. It was simply my view and I made that very clear. Moreover, I did not critique anybody else’s view, saying or implying it was disrespectful or inappropriate in some way. The point I made in my post above was a very simple one. In my view, labelling or categorising people as disrespectful to the owner or as being against him in some way, simply because they are concerned about the lack of transfer activity or would prefer him not to play his guitar in the centre circle, is polarising what had been a perfectly civilised discussion and is unnecessarily divisive. I stick by that. Completely agree Mundell, and for the record I wasn't outright calling your view bias. ShadyTree responded to me calling my view bias, and I was trying to highlight the fact that my point was only bias in the same way that yours or his 'might be'. I tried and probably failed to point out the fact that all opinions are bias one way or the other based on our own interpretations of what is right and fair. This wasn't a slight on you, simply a reply to Shady.
Speaking of Shady, I think the discussion because polarised much earlier when he said: - "Only person actually defending his obsession with his version of the Fan’s sofa was you Colin, which came as no surprise to anyone." - "Pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters, to be honest."
The first two replies are one personal response and the other celebrating the fact the owner that saved our club is essentially getting abuse on Twitter. For people such as myself and many others judging by the response, this is beyond not liking the fact he's writing a song.
This is why I came on here to point out that this discussion because polarised much earlier than your response and that lies with an individual that isn't Lardiman, as usual I might add.
I was pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters *in relation to his ill advised Tweet about finishing his song last night* That’s in the context of our lack of investment in players this summer. It came across and egotistical and lacking self awareness. It’s probably best for everyone’s sanity if we leave it at that. The Mods views are well understood. You & lardi remain big TS supporters, and the other fella changes his by the hour. Hopefully we will sign 4/5 players this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 9:22:06 GMT
Completely agree Mundell, and for the record I wasn't outright calling your view bias. ShadyTree responded to me calling my view bias, and I was trying to highlight the fact that my point was only bias in the same way that yours or his 'might be'. I tried and probably failed to point out the fact that all opinions are bias one way or the other based on our own interpretations of what is right and fair. This wasn't a slight on you, simply a reply to Shady.
Speaking of Shady, I think the discussion because polarised much earlier when he said: - "Only person actually defending his obsession with his version of the Fan’s sofa was you Colin, which came as no surprise to anyone." - "Pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters, to be honest."
The first two replies are one personal response and the other celebrating the fact the owner that saved our club is essentially getting abuse on Twitter. For people such as myself and many others judging by the response, this is beyond not liking the fact he's writing a song.
This is why I came on here to point out that this discussion because polarised much earlier than your response and that lies with an individual that isn't Lardiman, as usual I might add.
I was pleased to see Sandgaard getting pelters *in relation to his ill advised Tweet about finishing his song last night* That’s in the context of our lack of investment in players this summer. It came across and egotistical and lacking self awareness. It’s probably best for everyone’s sanity if we leave it at that. The Mods views are well understood. You & lardi remain big TS supporters, and the other fella changes his by the hour. Hopefully we will sign 4/5 players this week. I suppose you mean me by your disrespectful changes his by the hour. You are wrong there as you are with a lot of things. I have supported Sandgaard from when he bought us. I still support him 100 per cent. I have not changed my mind. This Forum has gone rapidly downhill since you came back. The amount of personal jibes you come out with, trying to put people down. A number of people have pmd me wanting you gone and saying they will not post until you go.
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