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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 26, 2024 0:37:13 GMT
Sounding like George has been offered a luctrative deal to stay with us during the last 24/48 hours which he is expected to sign in the coming days. The speculation that he asked for £10k is wide of the mark but it's a nice increase on what he is currently on. Not going to get that in Hungary that's for sure. Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. Where are you getting your info from brad? Seems strange I would get told this tonight if it isn't true. Came from one of my regular sources too. |
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Post by garrynelson on Jan 26, 2024 6:59:25 GMT
Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. Where are you getting your info from brad? Seems strange I would get told this tonight if it isn't true. Came from one of my regular sources too. I guess maybe one party believes the deal to be lucrative while the other doesn’t? |
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Post by se7sm on Jan 26, 2024 7:16:45 GMT
Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. Where are you getting your info from brad? Seems strange I would get told this tonight if it isn't true. Came from one of my regular sources too. Brad do you really want to play in Hungary?😉 |
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Post by brad on Jan 26, 2024 7:32:02 GMT
Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. Where are you getting your info from brad? Seems strange I would get told this tonight if it isn't true. Came from one of my regular sources too. Been lucky enough to become close to the family. This way all be so frustrating hasn't been treat right at all. He would sign without doubt if its a fair offer but if Scott gets his way it won't happen. Hopefully others get involved and make it. Hopefully your source knows something in the background what they maybe putting together. But as of last night no change. |
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Post by brad on Jan 26, 2024 7:35:08 GMT
Where are you getting your info from brad? Seems strange I would get told this tonight if it isn't true. Came from one of my regular sources too. Brad do you really want to play in Hungary?😉 😄😄 I don't and hopefully Dobson don't either |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 26, 2024 9:44:16 GMT
Don’t want to be controversial here, but if the club is going to be successful it needs to have a clear strategy and executives with the competence to execute that strategy. That might sometimes mean making decisions that are unpopular and/or that fans don’t agree with.
It is a very bad sign if the club makes any decisions which don’t relate directly to “fans experience” based on “fan feedback”, i.e. to be popular. It is an equally bad sign if the relevant specialist, Andy Scott in the case, is put under pressure from elsewhere in the SMT to change a decision he has made. In the case of his role the Head Coach is an exception to that rule obviously. He ought to be able to influence the DoF.
Whether or not we agree that George Dobson should be offered a more attractive contract (and it’s clear that views differ on that) it would be very bad news if one suddenly materialises. It would be a clear sign that all is not well at Board level. Following on from the shambolic way in which Michael Appleton’s departure was handled it would be another red flag for me.
To be clear, this is not about George Dobson’s contract per se.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 26, 2024 9:55:37 GMT
is probably thinking, if Pele, Ossie Ardiles, Sylvester Stallone, Bobby Moore and Michael Caine can play in Hungary, then so can I !!
For those who don't know the new MTK Budapest Stadium, where he might play with Fehervar, was built on the same site as the Hidegkuti Nándor Stadion, famous for hosting the match in the film Escape to Victory!!
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Post by roburwash on Jan 26, 2024 11:34:44 GMT
Don’t want to be controversial here, but if the club is going to be successful it needs to have a clear strategy and executives with the competence to execute that strategy. That might sometimes mean making decisions that are unpopular and/or that fans don’t agree with. It is a very bad sign if the club makes any decisions which don’t relate directly to “fans experience” based on “fan feedback”, i.e. to be popular. It is an equally bad sign if the relevant specialist, Andy Scott in the case, is put under pressure from elsewhere in the SMT to change a decision he has made. In the case of his role the Head Coach is an exception to that rule obviously. He ought to be able to influence the DoF. Whether or not we agree that George Dobson should be offered a more attractive contract (and it’s clear that views differ on that) it would be very bad news if one suddenly materialises. It would be a clear sign that all is not well at Board level. Following on from the shambolic way in which Michael Appleton’s departure was handled it would be another red flag for me. To be clear, this is not about George Dobson’s contract per se. I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 26, 2024 14:56:25 GMT
Don’t want to be controversial here, but if the club is going to be successful it needs to have a clear strategy and executives with the competence to execute that strategy. That might sometimes mean making decisions that are unpopular and/or that fans don’t agree with. It is a very bad sign if the club makes any decisions which don’t relate directly to “fans experience” based on “fan feedback”, i.e. to be popular. It is an equally bad sign if the relevant specialist, Andy Scott in the case, is put under pressure from elsewhere in the SMT to change a decision he has made. In the case of his role the Head Coach is an exception to that rule obviously. He ought to be able to influence the DoF. Whether or not we agree that George Dobson should be offered a more attractive contract (and it’s clear that views differ on that) it would be very bad news if one suddenly materialises. It would be a clear sign that all is not well at Board level. Following on from the shambolic way in which Michael Appleton’s departure was handled it would be another red flag for me. To be clear, this is not about George Dobson’s contract per se. I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. I didn’t say Andy Scott is making good decisions. That wasn’t my point. If Andy Scott isn’t making good decisions, and hence isn’t competent in the role (and I wasn’t expressing a view one way or another on that), then the solution is to remove him and replace him with someone who is competent, not for someone who isn’t qualified (Rodwell or Methven for example) to tell him what to do. The point of my post was simply that if the latter happens it’s clear evidence of dysfunction and is therefore bad news because of what it tells us about future decision making. If a volte-face on George Dobson’s contract is evidence of this then it’s a big red flag, not a cause for celebration. And that’s true whatever your personal view of the player might be. |
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Post by roburwash on Jan 26, 2024 17:38:17 GMT
I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. I didn’t say Andy Scott is making good decisions. That wasn’t my point. If Andy Scott isn’t making good decisions, and hence isn’t competent in the role (and I wasn’t expressing a view one way or another on that), then the solution is to remove him and replace him with someone who is competent, not for someone who isn’t qualified (Rodwell or Methven for example) to tell him what to do. The point of my post was simply that if the latter happens it’s clear evidence of dysfunction and is therefore bad news because of what it tells us about future decision making. If a volte-face on George Dobson’s contract is evidence of this then it’s a big red flag, not a cause for celebration. And that’s true whatever your personal view of the player might be. Well the problem is that Scott is part of the SMT so he's hardly going to tell himself that he's making bad decisions or actually fire himself. The owners away in the US probably don't have the info, for example in the case of Dobson, so how can this nincompoop be stopped? |
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 26, 2024 18:32:32 GMT
Don’t want to be controversial here, but if the club is going to be successful it needs to have a clear strategy and executives with the competence to execute that strategy. That might sometimes mean making decisions that are unpopular and/or that fans don’t agree with. It is a very bad sign if the club makes any decisions which don’t relate directly to “fans experience” based on “fan feedback”, i.e. to be popular. It is an equally bad sign if the relevant specialist, Andy Scott in the case, is put under pressure from elsewhere in the SMT to change a decision he has made. In the case of his role the Head Coach is an exception to that rule obviously. He ought to be able to influence the DoF. Whether or not we agree that George Dobson should be offered a more attractive contract (and it’s clear that views differ on that) it would be very bad news if one suddenly materialises. It would be a clear sign that all is not well at Board level. Following on from the shambolic way in which Michael Appleton’s departure was handled it would be another red flag for me. To be clear, this is not about George Dobson’s contract per se. I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. Did Scott and MA not go round Coventry house and persuade him to ditch Sheffield and move to us  Appleton departure was down to a legal matter concerning a clause in his contract that they had to agree to remove before the club could sack him .. very hard to pin that in Scott when Rodwell would be behind signing of all deals . |
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 26, 2024 18:57:31 GMT
I didn’t say Andy Scott is making good decisions. That wasn’t my point. If Andy Scott isn’t making good decisions, and hence isn’t competent in the role (and I wasn’t expressing a view one way or another on that), then the solution is to remove him and replace him with someone who is competent, not for someone who isn’t qualified (Rodwell or Methven for example) to tell him what to do. The point of my post was simply that if the latter happens it’s clear evidence of dysfunction and is therefore bad news because of what it tells us about future decision making. If a volte-face on George Dobson’s contract is evidence of this then it’s a big red flag, not a cause for celebration. And that’s true whatever your personal view of the player might be. Well the problem is that Scott is part of the SMT so he's hardly going to tell himself that he's making bad decisions or actually fire himself. The owners away in the US probably don't have the info, for example in the case of Dobson, so how can this nincompoop be stopped? And the entire SMT is in turn accountable to GFP and the investors. Not on a daily basis but more periodic, say quarterly. Scott AND the SMT have canvassed for a bigger budget this month. We assume to put the wheels back on as well as start preparing for next season. Scott is in charge for this window and this managerial appointment. But it's entirely possible that we have a new technical director for the summer. Having said all that it's hard to segregate the rollercoaster of emotions at and after the games from a rational understanding of how CAFC ownership structures might work. Are the three investors fully informed and how close are they to taking external advice about CAFC?! |
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Post by watameires on Jan 26, 2024 20:14:58 GMT
I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. Did Scott and MA not go round Coventry house and persuade him to ditch Sheffield and move to us Appleton departure was down to a legal matter concerning a clause in his contract that they had to agree to remove before the club could sack him .. very hard to pin that in Scott when Rodwell would be behind signing of all deals . WUM. What clause and who agreed Bexley? And when did they agree the change of contract ten minutes after the match or did they get the pens out at half time? |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 26, 2024 20:28:25 GMT
I know you think he talks nicely but what on earth makes you think that Scott is making good decisions? And if he is making bad decisions then he certainly should be put under pressure to change them. Did Scott and MA not go round Coventry house and persuade him to ditch Sheffield and move to us Appleton departure was down to a legal matter concerning a clause in his contract that they had to agree to remove before the club could sack him .. very hard to pin that in Scott when Rodwell would be behind signing of all deals . Another post riddled with falsehoods. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 26, 2024 20:33:42 GMT
On George Dobson’s contract, as I understand it the club had offered him two years, and he wants three. He also wants a decent but not excessive pay rise, befitting our POTY & captain (please note Chief WUM bexleyboy ) Given that we have just made a handy £300,000 from CBT, it can’t be beyond the wit of man , or even Andy Scott, to give Dobson the modest amount that he is asking for. I repeat - our captain and POTY is not being greedy. The SMT are being short sighted, arrogant & tight. |
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Post by weststandfruitloop on Jan 26, 2024 23:19:45 GMT
I'm still expecting Dobson to leave, but should he stay (given all the DMs we now have) surely we play him in the centre of a back three?
He started out as a CB and it's the role he's played for most of his football career prior to recent years.
We're crying out for a commanding voice and solid defender in the middle of our defence, so why not our captain Dobbo there?
FWIW I dream of us having a central midfield spine (in a week or two) of DM Coventry, CM Camara, AM Collins.
That would genuinely be the best central midfield in L1 in my view.
If we also have Dobson at the heart of our back three, well that's just a bonus imho.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 27, 2024 3:24:57 GMT
I'm still expecting Dobson to leave, but should he stay (given all the DMs we now have) surely we play him in the centre of a back three? He started out as a CB and it's the role he's played for most of his football career prior to recent years. We're crying out for a commanding voice and solid defender in the middle of our defence, so why not our captain Dobbo there? FWIW I dream of us having a central midfield spine (in a week or two) of DM Coventry, CM Camara, AM Collins. That would genuinely be the best central midfield in L1 in my view. If we also have Dobson at the heart of our back three, well that's just a bonus imho. Agree with your views about us needing a commanding centre back leader to organise things in the middle of the back three but can’t agree about Dobson playing there, not for a lack of ability more for a lack of height and physicality, If we had Dobson Reg and Gillesphey as our three I think we would get slaughtered in the air from any type of set piece We look weak enough aerially Hector and Jones in there let alone Dobson and Reg I read about us looking at CF’s and number 10’ s but if we have to score 3 goals a game to get any sort of result which it seems at present unless we stop giving opposition players chances and goals we will be in relegation mire come April…. It seems pretty clear to me |
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Post by cafcjack83 on Jan 31, 2024 17:52:37 GMT
Been told Dobson wont be signing a new deal and will be leaving end of season. From someone in his close circle.
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 31, 2024 21:04:37 GMT
Been told Dobson wont be signing a new deal and will be leaving end of season. From someone in his close circle. To be honest, if that’s the case, I’d be tempted to move on and play someone else. We have too many defensive midfielders in our side, at the moment, so maybe Dobson can make way for a more creative midfielder. |
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Post by clarky on Feb 4, 2024 15:50:20 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but according to my mate who spoke to George's father at Blackpool, Dobson has just bought a house in Ongar, Essex, which is odd if he is looking to move abroad. And the deal offered to him certainly wasn't lucrative.
I wonder if with the arrival of Jones it will make a difference?
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Post by brad on Feb 5, 2024 20:36:51 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but according to my mate who spoke to George's father at Blackpool, Dobson has just bought a house in Ongar, Essex, which is odd if he is looking to move abroad. And the deal offered to him certainly wasn't lucrative. I wonder if with the arrival of Jones it will make a difference? No its not very unfortunately. Think someone is still putting there pennies worth in 😔 |
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Post by clarky on Feb 6, 2024 16:12:04 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere but according to my mate who spoke to George's father at Blackpool, Dobson has just bought a house in Ongar, Essex, which is odd if he is looking to move abroad. And the deal offered to him certainly wasn't lucrative. I wonder if with the arrival of Jones it will make a difference? No its not very unfortunately. Think someone is still putting there pennies worth in 😔 A shame but not surprising. As long as Scott is here we will struggle and after Saturday it will take a near miracle for Jones to pull this around. The squad is so disjointed without an ounce of flair or creativity left in it. Nine players in and still gaping holes in the team/squad. As the owners had to intervene over Appleton I cannot see for the life of me how Scott has remained in post. Apart from the odd couple just about everyone of us can see where the major problem lies so it is very disappointing that a group of wealthy businessmen cannot see what is staring them right in the face. |
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Post by brad on Feb 6, 2024 17:21:50 GMT
No its not very unfortunately. Think someone is still putting there pennies worth in 😔 A shame but not surprising. As long as Scott is here we will struggle and after Saturday it will take a near miracle for Jones to pull this around. The squad is so disjointed without an ounce of flair or creativity left in it. Nine players in and still gaping holes in the team/squad. As the owners had to intervene over Appleton I cannot see for the life of me how Scott has remained in post. Apart from the odd couple just about everyone of us can see where the major problem lies so it is very disappointing that a group of wealthy businessmen cannot see what is staring them right in the face. Yeah believe he has got into Jones and laid the seed because Scott completely dislikes Dobson and bought Coventry to replace him and paying him a lot more than what Geroge was offered after everything he as given the club in the passed 2.5 years, Conner isn't that hard tackling number 4 that George is he dont look right playing at 4 either, But oh well it's all too late now, real shame I believed Jones would have loved Geroge passion and commitment. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Feb 6, 2024 20:59:40 GMT
A shame but not surprising. As long as Scott is here we will struggle and after Saturday it will take a near miracle for Jones to pull this around. The squad is so disjointed without an ounce of flair or creativity left in it. Nine players in and still gaping holes in the team/squad. As the owners had to intervene over Appleton I cannot see for the life of me how Scott has remained in post. Apart from the odd couple just about everyone of us can see where the major problem lies so it is very disappointing that a group of wealthy businessmen cannot see what is staring them right in the face. Yeah believe he has got into Jones and laid the seed because Scott completely dislikes Dobson and bought Coventry to replace him and paying him a lot more than what Geroge was offered after everything he as given the club in the passed 2.5 years, Conner isn't that hard tackling number 4 that George is he dont look right playing at 4 either, But oh well it's all too late now, real shame I believed Jones would have loved Geroge passion and commitment. I heard also that Tennai Watson also earns more than George Dobson.. Also Terry Taylor was the original replacement for Dobbo.🙄🙄 |
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Post by brad on Feb 6, 2024 21:45:17 GMT
Yeah believe he has got into Jones and laid the seed because Scott completely dislikes Dobson and bought Coventry to replace him and paying him a lot more than what Geroge was offered after everything he as given the club in the passed 2.5 years, Conner isn't that hard tackling number 4 that George is he dont look right playing at 4 either, But oh well it's all too late now, real shame I believed Jones would have loved Geroge passion and commitment. I heard also that Tennai Watson also earns more than George Dobson.. Also Terry Taylor was the original replacement for Dobbo.🙄🙄 Yeah its true he is and many others. |
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Post by watameires on Feb 6, 2024 22:57:57 GMT
I like Dobson but have lost sympathy. Get over it…
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Post by brad on Feb 10, 2024 12:15:14 GMT
Dobson has been sold. Scott is a complete w#anker I will say more as soon as I can.
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Post by mersthamred on Feb 10, 2024 12:35:45 GMT
It's hard to understand. He is fulfilling his potential whereas large numbers of the squad are struggling to. Charlie Kirk may have had more potential than George but unless potential is realised it means nothing.
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Feb 10, 2024 12:49:04 GMT
Dobson has been sold. Scott is a complete w#anker I will say more as soon as I can. If he won't sign a new contract then why not sell him? |
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