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Post by redrobin on Jan 24, 2024 18:53:46 GMT
Doesn't matter what the figures say on our contract offer. Andy Scott is the problem not the salary that's been offered. Remove him and Dobbo stays in my opinion. I always admired dobsons attitude and workmate . Has been our most consistent player for the last two and half years. A highly valuable squad member. At least we know what we are getting . 100 per cent each game , has been injury free, cares (a great club man) and our best ball winner without a doubt. Reams, are you suggesting it's SCOTT who doesn't rate him or feel he is worth a decent pay rise  ? I for one want Dobbo to stay . Dobson is picked week in week out by all our managers since he signed ANDY SCOTT CAN DO ONE ....mug. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 24, 2024 19:11:10 GMT
Has nobdoy seen the rumour put on social media by a fan on twitter?
Apparantly Scott has told Dobson he isn't good enough.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 24, 2024 19:15:15 GMT
Has nobdoy seen the rumour put on social media by a fan on twitter? Apparantly Scott has told Dobson he isn't good enough. Surely these American owners have not sussed Scott out yet. I have been banging on and on about them headhunting the best recruitment person / team possible, only when we are recruiting well like the teams at the top of the division do will we compete to go up |
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Post by brad on Jan 24, 2024 19:32:07 GMT
Has nobdoy seen the rumour put on social media by a fan on twitter? Apparantly Scott has told Dobson he isn't good enough. Reams I can confirm this 100%. Don't see him in a promotion team. Sees him has only a squad player at best. The contract offer that Andy Scott offered is terrible. Its lower than the average squad player. Absolutely shocking for his 2.5 years at the club and what he has given. |
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 24, 2024 19:38:55 GMT
Has nobdoy seen the rumour put on social media by a fan on twitter? Apparantly Scott has told Dobson he isn't good enough. Reams I can confirm this 100%. Don't see him in a promotion team. Sees him has only a squad player at best. The contract offer that Andy Scott offered is terrible. Its lower than the average squad player. Absolutely shocking for his 2.5 years at the club and what he has given. Also contract about £2000 a week less than CBT offered. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Jan 24, 2024 19:44:44 GMT
Is it just me or should Dobson and Coventry be playing in each others positions,
Coventry is a passer who rarely give the ball away and Dobbo is a defensive midfielder and not an number 8
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Post by brad on Jan 24, 2024 19:48:07 GMT
Is it just me or should Dobson and Coventry be playing in each others positions, Coventry is a passer who rarely give the ball away and Dobbo is a defensive midfielder and not an number 8 Totally agree |
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 24, 2024 19:56:46 GMT
Is it just me or should Dobson and Coventry be playing in each others positions, Coventry is a passer who rarely give the ball away and Dobbo is a defensive midfielder and not an number 8 100%. Said it before the game yesterday. Another Appleton oddity. Don’t shoot me but I felt Dobson wasn’t himself yesterday. 80% not the 100% he usually is. He let some players go where he’d normally charge them down. Seemed distracted at times with his positioning as well. I don’t imagine he’s a player to down tools at all, but his 100% commitment for the rest of the season could drop. Rumours of poor contract offers etc apart. It’s a concern for me. |
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Post by Mundell on Jan 24, 2024 20:08:03 GMT
It’s all about opinions obviously, but while George Dobson has never let us down I’ve always felt he is limited and lacks the quality needed to play in a strong promotion contender, especially in such a key role as pivot.
In my view, for what it’s worth, Conor Coventry is a much better footballer and if his best position is pivot, i.e. where he can add most value to the side, then that’s where he needs to play. Unless we play with a double pivot (which is an option of course) then this means George needs to play as an ‘8’ where he is much less effective. Compare his performance last night with that of Bakinson, for example.
To be clear, I’m not defending Andy Scott (indeed the way Michael Appleton’s departure was handled was absolutely disgraceful), but in this case I can see where he might be coming from.
As I said, just my perspective and I completely respect those who see it differently.
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Post by sevenoaks on Jan 24, 2024 20:08:04 GMT
Is it just me or should Dobson and Coventry be playing in each others positions, Coventry is a passer who rarely give the ball away and Dobbo is a defensive midfielder and not an number 8 100%. Said it before the game yesterday. Another Appleton oddity. Don’t shoot me but I felt Dobson wasn’t himself yesterday. 80% not the 100% he usually is. He let some players go where he’d normally charge them down. Seemed distracted at times with his positioning as well. I don’t imagine he’s a player to down tools at all, but his 100% commitment for the rest of the season could drop. Rumours of poor contract offers etc apart. It’s a concern for me. Playing out of position, but did anyone else think it odd, yhat he took his baby daughter on to the pitch at Burton and lastniight at the The Valley.. |
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Post by thesunisred on Jan 24, 2024 20:26:03 GMT
If Dobson goes in this window then I fear we are heading down. He may not be the answer long term, but we really need him in the dog fight ahead.
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Post by redrobin on Jan 25, 2024 8:11:37 GMT
Has nobdoy seen the rumour put on social media by a fan on twitter? Apparantly Scott has told Dobson he isn't good enough. No, I can't find it but would love to see it.... |
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Post by mikebassett on Jan 25, 2024 15:39:00 GMT
I make Scott right on Dobson, if he’s said that. There’s a lot of running around and playing like a headless chicken, he’s nowhere’s near a promotion winning mainstay in a League One side. He’s at his level, for me, at a low top half-mid table team in League One.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2024 15:54:07 GMT
Only two teams in the Hungarian top tier get more than 5000 fans watching them. Only two stadiums have a capacity of 20,000+. The biggest one holds just 23,698. If that is George's level of ambition then it's a wste of the rest of his career. Click on the orange down arrow next to the word league table and then choose attendance. uk.soccerway.com/national/hungary/nb-i/20232024/regular-season/r76254/ |
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Post by coloradocafc on Jan 25, 2024 16:09:26 GMT
It's also some measure of how he's rated by folks outside the Valley.
I'll not criticize George Dobson. He works. He cares. He's useful in this squad. I'm not opposed to him staying in the right circumstances. I'm also very much open to the idea that a rebuild would include a different midfielder in his slot.
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Post by aaronaldo on Jan 25, 2024 16:18:41 GMT
I make Scott right on Dobson, if he’s said that. There’s a lot of running around and playing like a headless chicken, he’s nowhere’s near a promotion winning mainstay in a League One side. He’s at his level, for me, at a low top half-mid table team in League One. This is where I am. The only bit that concerns me is the rumour that Andy has told George this directly. That's not a sound man management plan if that is true. That is a concern. But it's only a rumour. I do disagree with our fans basically saying we should offer Dobson the same wages as the top earners in the team. I don't see that personally. The top earners in the team should be those we know can step up to the championship and do well there. I don't see that with Dobson. Our top earners should have a higher ceiling. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 25, 2024 16:33:00 GMT
I love his energy and commitment but if I was a championship club or one of the big boys in this division (sadly that’s no longer us) I’d not be buying him.
Keep as squad player if we can but also not as captain post this season
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 25, 2024 16:41:23 GMT
There’s an interesting stat on Twitter this afternoon from SSN. George Dobson has won the fourth highest amount of duels of any player in L1 this season - 194 so far. Who’s going to win those vital duels - in a team that already ships goals for fun - if we crazily let him leave? Can any of the Dobson detractors like bexleyboy answer this question ? Let’s call the Dobson debate for what it is - it’s got sweet FA to do with the lad’s footballing ability or captaincy skills. SE7 Partners have lowballed him ✍️ ..end of. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 25, 2024 16:47:10 GMT
There’s an interesting stat on Twitter this afternoon from SSN. George Dobson has won the fourth highest amount of duels of any player in L1 this season - 194 so far. Who’s going to win those vital duels - in a team that already ships goals for fun - if we crazily let him leave? Can any of the Dobson detractors like bexleyboy answer this question ? Let’s call the Dobson debate for what it is - it’s got sweet FA to do with the lad’s footballing ability or captaincy skills. SE7 Partners have lowballed him ✍️ ..end of. To declare we’ve lowballed him we’d need to know what he’s been offered. Do we have that insight or just assuming that as he hasn’t signed the offer? |
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Post by watameires on Jan 25, 2024 16:48:34 GMT
I like him don’t get me wrong but if played he had to be the defensive midfielder. I was embarrassed for him that he was played in the end Tuesday as our most attacking midfielder
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 25, 2024 17:01:24 GMT
There’s an interesting stat on Twitter this afternoon from SSN. George Dobson has won the fourth highest amount of duels of any player in L1 this season - 194 so far. Who’s going to win those vital duels - in a team that already ships goals for fun - if we crazily let him leave? Can any of the Dobson detractors like bexleyboy answer this question ? Let’s call the Dobson debate for what it is - it’s got sweet FA to do with the lad’s footballing ability or captaincy skills. SE7 Partners have lowballed him ✍️ ..end of. To declare we’ve lowballed him we’d need to know what he’s been offered. Do we have that insight or just assuming that as he hasn’t signed the offer? Why do you think Dobson hasn’t signed a new contract ? His own family says he wants to stay if it’s a slightly better deal. Scott is saying nothing. When you have two conflicting theories about the same problem, the simplest explanation is the correct one - Occam’s Razor. |
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Post by Occam’s Razor on Jan 25, 2024 17:02:50 GMT
I like him don’t get me wrong but if played he had to be the defensive midfielder. I was embarrassed for him that he was played in the end Tuesday as our most attacking midfielder That’s like saying Chuks Aneke is a poor goalkeeper. |
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Post by watameires on Jan 25, 2024 17:24:00 GMT
To declare we’ve lowballed him we’d need to know what he’s been offered. Do we have that insight or just assuming that as he hasn’t signed the offer? Why do you think Dobson hasn’t signed a new contract ? His own family says he wants to stay if it’s a slightly better deal. Scott is saying nothing. When you have two conflicting theories about the same problem, the simplest explanation is the correct one - Occam’s Razor. the fact he has not signed despite wanting to stay (I’ve a very remote connection to his family and believe this to be true) may just be that his valuation of himself may and probably is higher than the clubs. That’s not to say he’s right and the clubs wrong it just means there is a disconnect |
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Post by watameires on Jan 25, 2024 17:26:44 GMT
I like him don’t get me wrong but if played he had to be the defensive midfielder. I was embarrassed for him that he was played in the end Tuesday as our most attacking midfielder That’s like saying Chuks Aneke is a poor goalkeeper. agreed but my point is he is a one trick pony and i suspect we have a better option for the future now there in Coventry |
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 25, 2024 20:34:41 GMT
Sounding like George has been offered a luctrative deal to stay with us during the last 24/48 hours which he is expected to sign in the coming days. The speculation that he asked for £10k is wide of the mark but it's a nice increase on what he is currently on. Not going to get that in Hungary that's for sure.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 25, 2024 21:17:59 GMT
I make Scott right on Dobson, if he’s said that. There’s a lot of running around and playing like a headless chicken, he’s nowhere’s near a promotion winning mainstay in a League One side. He’s at his level, for me, at a low top half-mid table team in League One. Agree .. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Jan 25, 2024 21:35:44 GMT
Sounding like George has been offered a luctrative deal to stay with us during the last 24/48 hours which he is expected to sign in the coming days. The speculation that he asked for £10k is wide of the mark but it's a nice increase on what he is currently on. Not going to get that in Hungary that's for sure. As pleased as many fans will be I do worry that with Coventry having been signed to play in his position and already having McGrandles (that we don't seem to be able to give away) who also plays as a pivot we are over-stretching the budget for next season. Realistically if we are going to be winning enough games to finish top six next season we are not going to want to play with two pivots as we are going to be looking to break teams down, not contain them. |
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Post by valleyvon on Jan 25, 2024 21:43:09 GMT
I make Scott right on Dobson, if he’s said that. There’s a lot of running around and playing like a headless chicken, he’s nowhere’s near a promotion winning mainstay in a League One side. He’s at his level, for me, at a low top half-mid table team in League One. Agree .. Maybe with a more settled team team of quality players around him maybe he can just focus on the job/position he needs to instead of probably feeling like he needs to be everywhere else on the pitch the other below par players of our recent times. Fingers crossed in the next couple of games the guys bed in and allow him to do so - if he still here. I hope he is I admire his passion for the team, things like that are inspiring to others. And if we do add more quality and he is used less and less, well that is just football, the future will only tell. In the meantime he will be good to have around. |
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Post by brad on Jan 25, 2024 21:46:35 GMT
Sounding like George has been offered a luctrative deal to stay with us during the last 24/48 hours which he is expected to sign in the coming days. The speculation that he asked for £10k is wide of the mark but it's a nice increase on what he is currently on. Not going to get that in Hungary that's for sure. Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. |
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Post by 995632 on Jan 25, 2024 21:51:51 GMT
Sounding like George has been offered a luctrative deal to stay with us during the last 24/48 hours which he is expected to sign in the coming days. The speculation that he asked for £10k is wide of the mark but it's a nice increase on what he is currently on. Not going to get that in Hungary that's for sure. Reams as much as I wish this was the case. It isn't mate. I am really hoping Charlie pulls through with something before it's too late. You have a source? |
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