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Post by jonkool on Jan 14, 2021 22:56:39 GMT
What would a new manager at this stage of the season achieve ? He would still have to work with the same players, due to the wage cap. He would also need weeks (that we can’t afford) to assess their strengths & weaknesses. There is also the question of who is available. Despite the blip we have a very realistic chance of promotion if we get our three key injured players back. I agree that patience will be tested if the likes of Gilbey & Watson keep getting more chances. The sign of a good manager is not to keep on making the same mistakes. Bowyer keeps on making the same mistakes. The constant tinkering with the team is insane. At least he has admitted he got it wrong and let us hope he resists the temptation to put players like Smyth at right wing back again. We should be doing a lot better with the players we have got. Good to see you posting on here Nick as you have criticised me in the past for doing the same thing. The smaller clubs with slimmer squads know not to overwork their guys in training and they also appreciate that they need to be drilled in a repeatable system that accentuate their strengths and covers up the weaknesses. Bows must have one of the largest squads plus academy players and therefore is constantly tinkering with both player selection and formations. Maybe he should concentrate on picking his best team (not best players) in their best positions and stick to a tried and tested pattern of play. Consistency, consistency @amore consistency gets you promoted out of this division 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 10:39:54 GMT
Bowyer deserves the criticism he's had recently, but sacking him would be a huge decision for TS at this stage, and would not be justified imo. I'm hoping someone's had a word in his ear, because Tuesday showed a change, in that he corrected his mistakes, and owned up to them afterwards, instead of the naming and shaming players, which was just plain wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 17:00:12 GMT
Much better from Lee Bowyer today. An attacking line up & formation, and attacking substitutions while we were leading and on top.
He’s got all of the tools to be a top class Charlton manager, learning from past mistakes won’t do him any harm either.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Jan 16, 2021 17:19:46 GMT
Much better from Lee Bowyer today. An attacking line up & formation, and attacking substitutions while we were leading and on top. He’s got all of the tools to be a top class Charlton manager, learning from past mistakes won’t do him any harm either. I really do hope you're right. LB turning it around and taking us up is the dream.
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Post by Professor Glum on Jan 16, 2021 17:29:05 GMT
Regarding LB, you have to remember that Gunter and Oshijala are 5th and 6th choices at CB, Innis and Famewo, then Pratley and Pearce. If you take that into account, they are not doing too badly.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 16, 2021 17:31:11 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up
Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream.
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Post by bexleyboy on Jan 16, 2021 17:33:10 GMT
Can we have a BOWYER BACK IN official thread
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Post by thevalleybest on Jan 16, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. Still the January transfer window is open.We in the top six not the bottom six.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 17:40:57 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. You missed a good performance.
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Post by roburwash on Jan 16, 2021 17:42:12 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. How can you comment on a game you haven't seen?
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 16, 2021 19:12:05 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. How can you comment on a game you haven't seen? Where have I commented on the game?? I am commenting on the last 11 before today. 2 wins in 11 and we finally get a win, albeit against a very poor side and everyone suddenly thinks we are the real deal again.
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Post by norfolkrobin on Jan 16, 2021 19:18:33 GMT
Much better from Lee Bowyer today. An attacking line up & formation, and attacking substitutions while we were leading and on top. He’s got all of the tools to be a top class Charlton manager, learning from past mistakes won’t do him any harm either. Agreed.Nobody's above criticism,and everybody makes mistakes.It's the learning from them that counts and LB seems to have started that today(humble opinion of an armchair manager haha) Of course couldn't agree more with what the man himself said about not getting carried away with one result,but with more players coming back into the fold soon hoping we will pick up a bit.
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Post by hairyhotdog on Jan 16, 2021 19:20:19 GMT
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 16, 2021 19:20:28 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. You're not alone in being pissed off and there are thousands not buying the streams. It's up to all of us as to whether we keep following in detail and that might be what really affects Sangaard in the end? As posted elsewhere in a different way, I wouldn't make a call right now but take a break and come back in February when certain players are fit. Still confident we will make 6th rather than 7th but no idea whether we will be really competitive. Tuesday vs Peterborough will give us some idea, but only a glimpse.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 16, 2021 19:31:09 GMT
Why do I need to take a break. I am comfortable with my opinions and don't regret a single word I have said over the last week.
Lincoln, Pompey, Peterborough are streets ahead of us, Doncaster are better too and another three of four teams are on a par with us. I refuse to accept the views of some fans who think we are anything special. We are not and neither is Bowyer, I am sick and tired of the weird love in's fans have with former players who can do nothing wrong even though they under perform as manager's. I don't want to be part of the snuggle. The good of the club come before loyalty for me and this 11 game run we have just come out of should have been enough to see him gone. I like the bloke but he is not taking my club forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 19:38:06 GMT
Despite the recent blip, we are still only 3 points off automatic promotion, with 25 games still to play. We are also about to get arguably our three best players so far this season back - Shinnie, Inniss and Famewo.
Millwall fans want Rowett out and Birmingham fans want Karanka out - they would both have Lee Bowyer managing their Championship clubs in a shot.
Bowyer’s not perfect (like all managers), but some of our fans are under appreciating what we have.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jan 16, 2021 20:27:20 GMT
Why do I need to take a break. I am comfortable with my opinions and don't regret a single word I have said over the last week. Lincoln, Pompey, Peterborough are streets ahead of us, Doncaster are better too and another three of four teams are on a par with us. I refuse to accept the views of some fans who think we are anything special. We are not and neither is Bowyer, I am sick and tired of the weird love in's fans have with former players who can do nothing wrong even though they under perform as manager's. I don't want to be part of the snuggle. The good of the club come before loyalty for me and this 11 game run we have just come out of should have been enough to see him gone. I like the bloke but he is not taking my club forward. Agreed! Said all along that we are not a top four side as we are miles off. But there is certainly potential for this current side to both make the top six AND evolve into a contender? Wont repeat other posts but Maatsen and Miller have dominated the left hand side these last couple of games... Let's see where we are at the end of February!
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 16, 2021 20:45:19 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11.
If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his senses during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too..
The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here.
Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one.
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Post by Don't Knowitall on Jan 16, 2021 20:52:04 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11. If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his senses during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too.. The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here. Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one. In fairness, this post is spot on. I'm as happy as any Charlton fan with today's result, I'm happy every time we win 3 points! The all round performance today was good and Bowyer got things right today BUT he has cost us up to this point! Personally I hope that LB is learning from his mistakes and still has what it takes to turn things around. I'm sure reamsofverse wants that too... Let's not orgasm in our little boy shorts too soon though, we beat Bristol Rovers 1-0, that's all!
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Post by baconsandwich on Jan 16, 2021 21:59:45 GMT
How can you comment on a game you haven't seen? Where have I commented on the game?? I am commenting on the last 11 before today. 2 wins in 11 and we finally get a win, albeit against a very poor side and everyone suddenly thinks we are the real deal again. Too right ....
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Post by jonkool on Jan 16, 2021 22:16:48 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. Yep he’s made plenty of mistakes and double yep the squad isn’t a patch on the 18/19 squad. However ... none of the other top 10 clubs are a patch on the 18/19 season too because of the financial limitations of the wage cap and the financial hole created by the post COVID no fans debacle. Bows has been pushed back into a corner but just maybe he has reflected and realised that he has over complicated everything. Today he kept it simple and the boys looked both comfortable and wanting to perform with a smile on their faces which in this year is going to open up interesting possibilities. He also bigged up players in the post match presser including Albie and Deji who he had previously slagged off. The boys want to play for him ... if only he lightens up and places more trust in them!
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Post by squareball on Jan 16, 2021 22:18:12 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11. If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his sense during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too.. The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here. Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one. Despite being happy with the win today the accuracy of this post cannot be denied. It is exactly how it is and we should be grateful to be still in and around the top 6 albeit only temporary while we await other results from games in hand.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 16, 2021 22:30:51 GMT
He won't take us up with the bang average squad he has got. If we finish top six it will be by default and due to one of the better sides fucking it up Haven't bothered on here at all today and didn't waste my money with the stream. Yep he’s made plenty of mistakes and double yep the squad isn’t a patch on the 18/19 squad. However ... none of the other top 10 clubs are a patch on the 18/19 season too because of the financial limitations of the wage cap and the financial hole created by the post COVID no fans debacle. Bows has been pushed back into a corner but just maybe he has reflected and realised that he has over complicated everything. Today he kept it simple and the boys looked both comfortable and wanting to perform with a smile on their faces which in this year is going to open up interesting possibilities. He also bigged up players in the post match presser including Albie and Deji who he had previously slagged off. The boys want to play for him ... if only he lightens up and places more trust in them! Thanks Paul ... let’s all hope that Bows is not a lost cause yet!
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Post by reamsofverse on Jan 16, 2021 22:48:33 GMT
It shouldn't have taken half of the season for him to realise the error of his ways though mate.
Personally I don't think he'll change, the problem is I don't think some of our fans will either, in their eyes he can do no wrong.
Today I'm told we were much better but maybe that's because we played a left back at left back, a right back at right back, a centre half at centre half and so on, so from my point of view he got today right because of how much he has got wrong previously.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jan 17, 2021 6:00:42 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11. If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his senses during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too.. The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here. Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one. This 100% nailed on.
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Post by twostroke on Jan 17, 2021 8:05:34 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11. If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his senses during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too.. The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here. Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one. Spot-on. If yesterdays version of Bowyer remains in place, we may make the play-offs. If he reverts to type, we won't. Either way, I don't believe he has the intelligence to manage us into the future that T Sandgaard has said he wants for the club.
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Post by jonkool on Jan 17, 2021 8:29:44 GMT
It shouldn't have taken half of the season for him to realise the error of his ways though mate. Personally I don't think he'll change, the problem is I don't think some of our fans will either, in their eyes he can do no wrong. Today I'm told we were much better but maybe that's because we played a left back at left back, a right back at right back, a centre half at centre half and so on, so from my point of view he got today right because of how much he has got wrong previously. No argument from me and he has had a huge wobble and has been guilty of spending bro much time worrying about the opposition when he should be concentrating on playing to our strengths. If he has learnt we will have a successful season ... if not then Thomas has a tough decision to make!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 8:45:17 GMT
We sit in 6th place, as you say three points off a promotion place but having played more games than any other team in the top 11. If it was not for Bowyers' repetitive leave of his senses during the last six weeks, picking the wrong teams, playing players out of position, choosing the wrong formation, defending 1-0 leads....we would be in the top two, possibly even top of the tree and by some distance too.. The reason we are not is because of Lee Bowyer. That is a fact to come out of the bigger picture so you lot will have to excuse me for not going to town over today's result like some have and I don't mean just on here. Bowyer and the players OWED us that result today which is why I don't feel like celebrating it. Go on an other winning run and I might change my mind but as things stand it's not been good enough. Today means nothing if Peterborough rip us a new one. Spot-on. If yesterdays version of Bowyer remains in place, we may make the play-offs. If he reverts to type, we won't. Either way, I don't believe he has the intelligence to manage us into the future that T Sandgaard has said he wants for the club. Intelligence ? Lee Bowyer was our manager when we were promoted out of this league two seasons ago.,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 9:50:39 GMT
Let's not get carried away good result yesterday. BUT Bowyer has a habit of shooting himself in the foot.Lets go on a run of games before I change my mind .If it happens I will be the first to say hes proved me wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 10:21:17 GMT
Let's not get carried away good result yesterday. BUT Bowyer has a habit of shooting himself in the foot.Lets go on a run of games before I change my mind .If it happens I will be the first to say hes proved me wrong. Peterborough on Tuesday night will be far more of a test ...particularly if LB goes back to the older players (which he shouldn’t). I don’t think we have played a poorer side than Bristol Rovers so far this season.
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