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Post by 1978sussex on May 26, 2020 7:50:16 GMT
They love for first 15 years till he sold club to Americans who tutned out to be bad owners they blame him for it
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 7:57:32 GMT
They love for first 15 years till he sold club to Americans who tutned out to be bad owners they blame him for it Yeah terrible owners who brought in Rhian Brewster and Conor Gallagher they've got a great squad. Moaning about previous owners who got them a new ground got them to the premier league Europe, Jesus what do fans want these days. |
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Post by AndyAddick on May 26, 2020 8:12:21 GMT
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Post by reamsofverse on May 26, 2020 8:45:24 GMT
Again, can we stop posting links containing news that we already know. This is exactly the same as yesterday. Multiple media outlets report the same stories all day long but we don't need to quote them all when they are about the same thing. People want today's updates not yesterday's news.
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Post by revilo on May 26, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
It's better to check what you're sharing before you do especially that we're desperate for good news and not recycled stories.
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Post by MidlandRed on May 26, 2020 9:06:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 9:10:00 GMT
Surely you don't post this unless you know you're 99% there. I was looking at his account earlier, I got the impression it was more of a windup to the Swansea lot (he posted something like #stid- sellout til I die) and then got an influx of us following. I could be wrong but wouldn't look too far into it. |
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Post by AndyAddick on May 26, 2020 9:19:25 GMT
Again, can we stop posting links containing news that we already know. This is exactly the same as yesterday. Multiple media outlets report the same stories all day long but we don't need to quote them all when they are about the same thing. People want today's updates not yesterday's news. apologies, it was dated today on Newsnow www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=charlton&lang=en&searchheadlines=1 |
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Post by AndyAddick on May 26, 2020 9:25:26 GMT
Surely you don't post this unless you know you're 99% there. I was looking at his account earlier, I got the impression it was more of a windup to the Swansea lot (he posted something like #stid- sellout til I die) and then got an influx of us following. I could be wrong but wouldn't look too far into it. hes the football hooligan "In 1983 he also received a stadium ban for 2 years. In 1995 he received a lifelong suspension from the KNVB as a referee, because he had beaten the club house of the BMT association in The Hague in response to vandalism on his car." |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 9:51:01 GMT
I was looking at his account earlier, I got the impression it was more of a windup to the Swansea lot (he posted something like #stid- sellout til I die) and then got an influx of us following. I could be wrong but wouldn't look too far into it. hes the football hooligan "In 1983 he also received a stadium ban for 2 years. In 1995 he received a lifelong suspension from the KNVB as a referee, because he had beaten the club house of the BMT association in The Hague in response to vandalism on his car." Yeah, have heard about his reputation but somebody (I believe Reams) posted earlier that he still is heavily involved in The Hague to this day. |
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Post by kings hill addick on May 26, 2020 10:25:02 GMT
They love for first 15 years till he sold club to Americans who tutned out to be bad owners they blame him for it I know, right? Next someone will pop up and blame Roland for the situation we are in now. Oh, wait! |
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Post by jonkool on May 26, 2020 10:28:05 GMT
hes the football hooligan "In 1983 he also received a stadium ban for 2 years. In 1995 he received a lifelong suspension from the KNVB as a referee, because he had beaten the club house of the BMT association in The Hague in response to vandalism on his car." Yeah, have heard about his reputation but somebody (I believe Reams) posted earlier that he still is heavily involved in The Hague to this day. I believe that the International Criminal Court are based in The Hague ;-)) |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 10:33:48 GMT
They love for first 15 years till he sold club to Americans who tutned out to be bad owners they blame him for it I know, right? Next someone will pop up and blame Roland for the situation we are in now. Oh, wait! Might be a bit different if Roland had taken us to the Prem/Europe before selling  |
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Post by earlpurple on May 26, 2020 11:06:04 GMT
I know, right? Next someone will pop up and blame Roland for the situation we are in now. Oh, wait! Might be a bit different if Roland had taken us to the Prem/Europe before selling at least he took us back up exactly one year ago today, and had it not been for injuries in the first half of the season and the two muppets later we might not have dropped into the bottom 3 and would be debating whether to finish the season for the obscurity of mid-table.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 11:09:23 GMT
Might be a bit different if Roland had taken us to the Prem/Europe before selling at least he took us back up exactly one year ago today, and had it not been for injuries in the first half of the season and the two muppets later we might not have dropped into the bottom 3 and would be debating whether to finish the season for the obscurity of mid-table.
I'm sorry but the fact that we went up last year has next to nothing to do with Roland. It is all to do with Gallen and Bowyer with his backroom staff. We had next to do funds to do business and those boys did wonders thanks to a late charge. Yes, he's better than the shit show currently in charge, but he didn't take us anywhere, he was merely the owner when Bowyer took us up exactly one year ago today. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 11:12:25 GMT
at least he took us back up exactly one year ago today, and had it not been for injuries in the first half of the season and the two muppets later we might not have dropped into the bottom 3 and would be debating whether to finish the season for the obscurity of mid-table. I'm sorry but the fact that we went up last year has next to nothing to do with Roland. It is all to do with Gallen and Bowyer with his backroom staff. We had next to do funds to do business and those boys did wonders thanks to a late charge. Yes, he's better than the shit show currently in charge, but he didn't take us anywhere, he was merely the owner when Bowyer took us up exactly one year ago today. Bowyer and his staff did it despite Duchatelet not because of him. |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 26, 2020 11:24:57 GMT
at least he took us back up exactly one year ago today, and had it not been for injuries in the first half of the season and the two muppets later we might not have dropped into the bottom 3 and would be debating whether to finish the season for the obscurity of mid-table. I'm sorry but the fact that we went up last year has next to nothing to do with Roland. It is all to do with Gallen and Bowyer with his backroom staff. We had next to do funds to do business and those boys did wonders thanks to a late charge. Yes, he's better than the shit show currently in charge, but he didn't take us anywhere, he was merely the owner when Bowyer took us up exactly one year ago today. Not having that sorry. Who do you think paid the wages for Cullen, Bielik and Williams? He's not on my Xmas card list by any means but he allowed Bowyer and Gallen to assemble the squad they did. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 11:32:25 GMT
I'm sorry but the fact that we went up last year has next to nothing to do with Roland. It is all to do with Gallen and Bowyer with his backroom staff. We had next to do funds to do business and those boys did wonders thanks to a late charge. Yes, he's better than the shit show currently in charge, but he didn't take us anywhere, he was merely the owner when Bowyer took us up exactly one year ago today. Not having that sorry. Who do you think paid the wages for Cullen, Bielik and Williams? He's not on my Xmas card list by any means but he allowed Bowyer and Gallen to assemble the squad they did. If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
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Post by aaronaldo on May 26, 2020 11:52:37 GMT
Not having that sorry. Who do you think paid the wages for Cullen, Bielik and Williams? He's not on my Xmas card list by any means but he allowed Bowyer and Gallen to assemble the squad they did. If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
Do you not think that, given the current state of football club finances, that Roland had a point when it came to football clubs hemorrhaging money? Paying the wages of players is exactly what he's there for. I don't think Roland's ideals about how football clubs 'should' be run is that far off the mark. Football should not be run like it is today. It's essentially a rich businessman's (or Businesswomen's) playground. Which is all fun and games until they get bored and want out. Roland didn't win us promotion. At the same time, he (clearly) didn't prevent us from being promoted by his low budget. All credit to Gallen, Bowyer etc for the incredible results they got with the budget set out. |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 26, 2020 11:53:18 GMT
Not having that sorry. Who do you think paid the wages for Cullen, Bielik and Williams? He's not on my Xmas card list by any means but he allowed Bowyer and Gallen to assemble the squad they did. If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
I'll try and make this a bit easier for you. 1. I never said RD was acceptable. 2. What would have happened if he hadn't paid the bills like the current owners? 3. Why would he do anything else other than just pay the bills if he wanted to sell? 4. Cullen was arguable? Bielik wouldn't have cost much? That is totally laughable and not worth my time in responding to apart from saying both players are among the best we have had at Charlton during the last 10 years. |
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Post by northbank77 on May 26, 2020 11:53:43 GMT
Really can't see what Swansea fans have to moan about. First post. You are right of course, although the fans takeover in 2002 wasn't down to Jenkins, this was done by groups who when he did get involved were marginalised and eventually disregarded. Jenkins and JVZ including others, all of whom I know, turned the club around and to their credit the rest is history, and on the face of it that's that, hence your comment. However, when Jenkins, Dineen, JVZ and others decided to sell the supporters Trust who own around 21% of shares were consulted and potential owners were scrutinised. The only forerunners were deemed totally unsuitable by the trust and a potential sale was stopped. Of course this didn't stop the desire to sell. And here is the crux of certain supporters real problems with HJ and Co. They continued to tout for a buyer, however on this occasion the supporters Trust were excluded from any negotiations and not consulted. The upshot being the hedge fund put together by DC Utd shareholders, Steve Kaplan and Jason Levien managed to complete a sales process without external scrutiny by a major shareholder (the trust) At that point it was a problem, however the American owners made extraordinary promises of investment which kept supporters quiet. After a few months of course with Jenkins fronting them on 600k a year as chairman it was clearly evident no money was available. The Americans then went on a suicide mission involving odd managerial appointments which resulted in the clubs relegation. Jenkins to his credit, who is a 100% swans fan, as are JVZ etc tried to energise the playing staff but made such large financial errors it nigh on bankrupted the club. Yiu see Jenkins has no real money other than a 7 million profit from his part of the sale. He isn't an investor he is a part of a cog that through hard work took Swansea City to the Premier league. However, none would have been achieved without the support of many thousands of trusting supporters. Remarkable yes, but their way of leaving, their alleged greed in pocketing millions whilst excluding the swans supporters Trust, is a serious flaw and exposure of their real characters, and this the issue. This is why you hear discontent. In turn over the past 2 years the supporters Trust are now close to (we are told) to announcing a legal case against these individuals and have highly paid consultants and a legal team comprised of numerous Swansea fans. What happens next who can say, but the fact this situation remains unresolved and yet still they can be included in the purchase of an historic, community club sums up the continued issues with numerous characters being allowed to get involved in football without clearance or scrutiny. You will find that Jenkins is a grey man, someone who has little personality and is wrongly credited solely for Swansea City rise, but then the upper echolns on any business reap the biggest rewards. JVZ is a Swansea nut, and big ADO fan, yes he has a huge question mark over his past. However over 700 Swansea Dutch travelled to Wembley when the club were promoted and the links between the two clubs are huge. He is very disliked because of his ego driven remarks, and his recent twitter comments do display a man with a huge ego. So, yes, on the surface a great time for Swansea City, but the characters involved in the clubs sale, including these Americans who underhandedly allowed this to go through so their 'hedge fund' could profit will not be allowed to be forgotten. Integrity is under question at every turn in football, yes your club is under threat, question is have they learned anything from their experiences to date? Personally I don't think so, there is an arrogance about them you won't like, caution is required, but you need to know the facts as to their names 'sell outs' They still would find it very difficult to safely move around freely in South Wales, there's a lot of unhappy people about. But as you say on the pitch for years it was fantastic, and if on the pitch is all you care about you may get something back. But it will be at a cost, your club means nothing to them, it's a business, and as has already been said if they can do what they did to a club they would die for as hardened Swansea fans, what price CAFC? You are a great club, a proper club, and I'm certain Bowyer will see through this very quickly. Just be careful, that's what swans fans are saying. Look after your club, and don't forget litigation is ongoing because of how these people act. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 12:03:24 GMT
If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
I'll try and make this a bit easier for you. 1. I never said RD was acceptable. 2. What would have happened if he hadn't paid the bills like the current owners? 3. Why would he do anything else other than just pay the bills if he wanted to sell? 4. Cullen was arguable? Bielik wouldn't have cost much? That is totally laughable and not worth my time in responding to apart from saying both players are among the best we have had at Charlton during the last 10 years. I don't need you to make anything easier for me. Sometimes people can disagree on things without needing to be sarcastic about it.
Any football club that isn't in or fast-heading to administration has an owner who pays the bills. If an owner doesn't pay the bills they would likely enter recievership within 3 months unless there is cash flow in the background which most clubs will not have outside of the PL/Championship.
He has publically said he was trying to find a buyer for around 2 years during the protests, so I'm unsure on your part 3.
Cullen was arguable because I didn't know him before the transfer but Bielik was an untested kid at Arsenal, so I can't imagine we'd be paying 100% of his wages to give him his first shot. I believe also that they are some of the best we've had in ten years, but what I'm saying is that wouldn't be Roland saying 'here's £30k per week, go get us an Arsenal wonderkid', more likely being Arsenal sending out a message saying this player is available for X amount *which I doubt would be very much at all*.
To go back to my original point, Roland did very little to help us on that journey - it was shrewd spending of the little budget we had that got us promoted. Along with Bowyer getting us 10 wins in our last 12 games. Had we not won 3/4 of those, we would be sitting in League One and I doubt you'd be contesting me on this at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 12:04:09 GMT
If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
Do you not think that, given the current state of football club finances, that Roland had a point when it came to football clubs hemorrhaging money? Paying the wages of players is exactly what he's there for. I don't think Roland's ideals about how football clubs 'should' be run is that far off the mark. Football should not be run like it is today. It's essentially a rich businessman's (or Businesswomen's) playground. Which is all fun and games until they get bored and want out. Roland didn't win us promotion. At the same time, he (clearly) didn't prevent us from being promoted by his low budget. All credit to Gallen, Bowyer etc for the incredible results they got with the budget set out. Agree with all of this. I don't get what others can't see... |
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Post by mersthamred on May 26, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
If paying wages is the hallmark of a good owner that shows how low football has sunk.
Anyone who thinks Roland was acceptable has either a very short memory or is blinded by how criminal these new lot are. Roland did nothing besides pay the bills. He was trying to sell the club for the longest time, we took a gamble on Bielik so wouldn't have been big money, Cullen was arguable and Williams was publically low-balled and had very little opportunity to look elsewhere. He gave Bowyer and Gallen the means to fish in the lower end of the market and they did miracles. Simple as that.
I'll try and make this a bit easier for you. 1. I never said RD was acceptable. 2. What would have happened if he hadn't paid the bills like the current owners? 3. Why would he do anything else other than just pay the bills if he wanted to sell? 4. Cullen was arguable? Bielik wouldn't have cost much? That is totally laughable and not worth my time in responding to apart from saying both players are among the best we have had at Charlton during the last 10 years. Roland is a hero if you compare him with Southall. There was even money left in the pot. |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 26, 2020 12:19:40 GMT
So do you not think it is wise ownership then to spend little money but give the managers job to somebody who will make the best of what is available.
There are clubs out there who throw millions at trying to win promotion but achieve nothing.
As an owner he achieved what Slater and Jiminez did, win promotion.
Your comments about Cullen and Bielik are nonsense. They would have been training around better players on a daily basis at Arsenal and West Ham, they were both U21 Internationals before they came to us and when they did they were two players who we built the team around. To try and say they were novices moulded by Gallen and Bowyer is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 12:48:09 GMT
So do you not think it is wise ownership then to spend little money but give the managers job to somebody who will make the best of what is available. There are clubs out there who throw millions at trying to win promotion but achieve nothing. As an owner he achieved what Slater and Jiminez did, win promotion. Your comments about Cullen and Bielik are nonsense. They would have been training around better players on a daily basis at Arsenal and West Ham, they were both U21 Internationals before they came to us and when they did they were two players who we built the team around. To try and say they were novices moulded by Gallen and Bowyer is ridiculous. Do you think he was a wise owner then Reams?
I think he kept us above water which is the basics of human decency for someone who CHOSE to own a football club. When Bowyer got the job after the likes of Karel Fraye, Guy Luzon, Jose Riga (first time he was decent to be fair), Bob Peeters etc... It took about eight managers before he actually got one right. Yes, he didn't throw millions but I can near enough guarantee based on his character that he didn't think 'Right, Bowyer is so good, I don't need to give him much money but he'll get us up'.
My comments on Cullen, as I've said, are limited because I don't know the situation of him. What I do know is near enough nobody knew who Bielik was besides a youtube search before he arrived, Gallen and Bowyer transitioned him from obscurity into a £10m player. They did that, he wasn't worth it before, but was after. So no Reams, the comments aren't nonsense. Also worth a mention that I never said they were novices, you don't play at West Ham and Arsenal respectively if you're a novice. But the progress shown has made them into the players they are - as is with Connor Gallagher... Not doing so well at Swansea is he?
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Post by kings hill addick on May 26, 2020 13:02:35 GMT
I didn’t mean to drop a bomb and walk off. My point was that I believe it’s unreasonable to blame a previous owner for the decisions made by a new one.
Not that Roland was good for us, nor that he wasn’t. That debate has been had over and over, just that Huw Jenkins can’t be blamed for what has happened since he sold Swansea and Roland shouldn’t be blamed for what’s happened since he sold is.
In fact, if stories are to be believed, Roland has managed to get £1m less that Nimer and Southall are going to get Not only should that make many Charlton fans happy, but it suggests that he was keen to get out (which was the aim of CARD et. al.) so quickly that he lost money. Not to mention the money that Southall has taken which would, otherwise, have been Roland’s - minus what he would have spent on trying to keep our club up, in January - the bastard!
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Post by reamsofverse on May 26, 2020 13:55:13 GMT
So do you not think it is wise ownership then to spend little money but give the managers job to somebody who will make the best of what is available. There are clubs out there who throw millions at trying to win promotion but achieve nothing. As an owner he achieved what Slater and Jiminez did, win promotion. Your comments about Cullen and Bielik are nonsense. They would have been training around better players on a daily basis at Arsenal and West Ham, they were both U21 Internationals before they came to us and when they did they were two players who we built the team around. To try and say they were novices moulded by Gallen and Bowyer is ridiculous. Do you think he was a wise owner then Reams?
I think he kept us above water which is the basics of human decency for someone who CHOSE to own a football club. When Bowyer got the job after the likes of Karel Fraye, Guy Luzon, Jose Riga (first time he was decent to be fair), Bob Peeters etc... It took about eight managers before he actually got one right. Yes, he didn't throw millions but I can near enough guarantee based on his character that he didn't think 'Right, Bowyer is so good, I don't need to give him much money but he'll get us up'.
My comments on Cullen, as I've said, are limited because I don't know the situation of him. What I do know is near enough nobody knew who Bielik was besides a youtube search before he arrived, Gallen and Bowyer transitioned him from obscurity into a £10m player. They did that, he wasn't worth it before, but was after. So no Reams, the comments aren't nonsense. Also worth a mention that I never said they were novices, you don't play at West Ham and Arsenal respectively if you're a novice. But the progress shown has made them into the players they are - as is with Connor Gallagher... Not doing so well at Swansea is he? In terms of what he spent yes he was a wise owner because he hasn't lost any money owning a football club when many others have. Bielik was a £2.4m teenager signed from Legia Warsaw by Arsenal. Granted we made him the player he is but his potential told me that he was going to make it in the game somewhere so wrong to label him as a gamble.He stood out among men from his very first game for us. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 14:39:01 GMT
Can we stick to the thread title please guys.I keep opening it up thinking of new updates. Cheers .
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Post by ffs on May 26, 2020 14:40:28 GMT
Who actually owns us? Bought us or is even interested in us. Just asking for a friend?
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