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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 15, 2020 8:43:02 GMT
A club of Celtic's size looking to buy third division players. The standard up there gets worse every year. The SPL is absolute dogshit. Joe Aribo may have got his desired £20,000, but his football career has stalled (at best) over the last 12 months. Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren......how would playing against this dross further Alfie's career? They are pub team standard. I think these young men are all manipulated by their agents, who don’t care where they play. Having said that I would imagine that going from, what, £2k a week, probably less, to £20k a week goes a long way to convincing a young man.
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Post by themightymidget on Sept 15, 2020 9:05:45 GMT
A club of Celtic's size looking to buy third division players. The standard up there gets worse every year. The SPL is absolute dogshit. Joe Aribo may have got his desired £20,000, but his football career has stalled (at best) over the last 12 months. Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren......how would playing against this dross further Alfie's career? They are pub team standard. "How much are they offering?" That is the first question asked by players, it's been like it for years.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 15, 2020 9:52:49 GMT
A club of Celtic's size looking to buy third division players. The standard up there gets worse every year. The SPL is absolute dogshit. Joe Aribo may have got his desired £20,000, but his football career has stalled (at best) over the last 12 months. Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren......how would playing against this dross further Alfie's career? They are pub team standard. Let's hope Alfie sees the bigger picture and doesn't succumb to quick money now in that cul-de-sac to nowhere that is Scottish football. Unless we are able to go up this year, he will move on, but let it be for footballing reasons.
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Post by themightymidget on Sept 15, 2020 10:20:24 GMT
The SPL is absolute dogshit. Joe Aribo may have got his desired £20,000, but his football career has stalled (at best) over the last 12 months. Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren......how would playing against this dross further Alfie's career? They are pub team standard. Let's hope Alfie sees the bigger picture and doesn't succumb to quick money now in that cul-de-sac to nowhere that is Scottish football. Unless we are able to go up this year, he will move on, but let it be for footballing reasons. That does not happen anymore. Poyet has seemingly set himself up for life after his move from us. Does he give a f*** about playing again? Probably not.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 15, 2020 11:27:19 GMT
Let's hope Alfie sees the bigger picture and doesn't succumb to quick money now in that cul-de-sac to nowhere that is Scottish football. Unless we are able to go up this year, he will move on, but let it be for footballing reasons. That does not happen anymore. Poyet has seemingly set himself up for life after his move from us. Does he give a f*** about playing again? Probably not. That pretty cynical MM, and no doubt correct in many cases, but I still believe that on the whole you don't get to this level in football by not wanting to play. Yes, life and agents etc get in the way. Still we'll see.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 15, 2020 11:32:21 GMT
The SPL is absolute dogshit. Joe Aribo may have got his desired £20,000, but his football career has stalled (at best) over the last 12 months. Ross County, Hamilton, St Johnstone, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren......how would playing against this dross further Alfie's career? They are pub team standard. Let's hope Alfie sees the bigger picture and doesn't succumb to quick money now in that cul-de-sac to nowhere that is Scottish football. Unless we are able to go up this year, he will move on, but let it be for footballing reasons. Even if he moves for free next summer he will be tempted to go to Scotland as there will be no 'compensation' fee for Charlton which, no doubt, his agent will pocket. I've seen nothing to suggest that Aribo is not happy at Rangers, but then he is a 23 year old millionaire. What's not to like?
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Post by themightymidget on Sept 15, 2020 12:28:45 GMT
That does not happen anymore. Poyet has seemingly set himself up for life after his move from us. Does he give a f*** about playing again? Probably not. That pretty cynical MM, and no doubt correct in many cases, but I still believe that on the whole you don't get to this level in football by not wanting to play. Yes, life and agents etc get in the way. Still we'll see. Once you get THE pay day, attitudes change. Apart from being a greedy Welsh cock why do you think Bale has been happy to sit on his bum for 18 months?
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 15, 2020 14:22:21 GMT
So third bid from Celtic will be 800,000..... only 50k then we turned down ... keeping going you may offer something sensible by Xmas
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 16, 2020 8:57:03 GMT
A Celtic source has told Football Insider that the club expect a new offer of £800,000 including add-ons to be accepted by the London club.
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 9:10:59 GMT
A Celtic source has told Football Insider that the club expect a new offer of £800,000 including add-ons to be accepted by the London club. lets pray this is wrong Paul , I would of thought TS would want to keep hold such a growing talent and and maybe cash out at five times that amount later
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 9:32:48 GMT
A Celtic source has told Football Insider that the club expect a new offer of £800,000 including add-ons to be accepted by the London club. lets pray this is wrong Paul , I would of thought TS would want to keep hold such a growing talent and and maybe cash out at five times that amount later That is 100% correct, unless Alfie refuses to sign a new contract. If he won't commit then we will have to sell him now or in January or risk him leaving for free next summer. I'd, probably, rather get some money for him than have him in the side for a season and then lose him for nothing.
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Post by Terrible Syrup on Sept 16, 2020 9:37:20 GMT
Doughty has the pace and ability to rip League One apart this season.
Under a wealthy owner - at the very minimum - we should be using Alfie for the whole of this season.
As a fanbase, we really must get away from this low ambition, little ol' Charlton appeasement strategy. Otherwise known as the "Kevin Conundrum" ........namely that every quality Academy player we produce has to be sold at the first whiff of a £50 note to "balance the books".
Fans are excited by quality home grown players, not spreadsheets.
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Post by chubbred on Sept 16, 2020 9:57:10 GMT
Doughty has the pace and ability to rip League One apart this season. Under a wealthy owner - at the very minimum - we should be using Alfie for the whole of this season. As a fanbase, we really must get away from this low ambition, little ol' Charlton appeasement strategy. Otherwise known as the "Kevin Conundrum" ........namely that every quality Academy player we produce has to be sold at the first whiff of a £50 note to "balance the books". Fans are excited by quality home grown players, not spreadsheets.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 16, 2020 9:58:11 GMT
Doughty has the pace and ability to rip League One apart this season. Under a wealthy owner - at the very minimum - we should be using Alfie for the whole of this season. As a fanbase, we really must get away from this low ambition, little ol' Charlton appeasement strategy. Otherwise known as the "Kevin Conundrum" ........namely that every quality Academy player we produce has to be sold at the first whiff of a £50 note to "balance the books". Fans are excited by quality home grown players, not spreadsheets. 100% agree with you - it's massively frustrating. Hopefully Reams' tip is wrong.
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Post by chubbred on Sept 16, 2020 10:03:36 GMT
I definately dont agree with sell him now just to get,what for all tense and purposes would be a pittance if he dosent sign a contract, when we have a new decent owner and he still decides to go at the end of the season for nothing then so be it but i beleive if he stays he could be all the difference for us this season plus if he does stay and we have the new owner and are doing well (hopefully)he may decide at some point to sign that new contract and continues to progress as he is then we could if he wanted to be sold do so further down the line get a far greater fee for someone who could then be the finished article
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Post by bexleyboy on Sept 16, 2020 10:05:39 GMT
It’s easy to stop all this speculation.. slap 3 mill price tag on his head plus add ons
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 10:06:59 GMT
A Celtic source has told Football Insider that the club expect a new offer of £800,000 including add-ons to be accepted by the London club. If the takeover drags on beyond Thursday who actually makes the decision?
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Post by 1978sussex on Sept 16, 2020 10:25:11 GMT
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Post by canterburyaddick on Sept 16, 2020 10:45:14 GMT
A Celtic source has told Football Insider that the club expect a new offer of £800,000 including add-ons to be accepted by the London club. If the takeover drags on beyond Thursday who actually makes the decision? Good point, anyone know?
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 12:40:39 GMT
I definately dont agree with sell him now just to get,what for all tense and purposes would be a pittance if he dosent sign a contract, when we have a new decent owner and he still decides to go at the end of the season for nothing then so be it but i beleive if he stays he could be all the difference for us this season plus if he does stay and we have the new owner and are doing well (hopefully)he may decide at some point to sign that new contract and continues to progress as he is then we could if he wanted to be sold do so further down the line get a far greater fee for someone who could then be the finished article We need to remember that FFP dictates that, as a club, we can only spend a function of what we earn. It's all well and good saying that, with a rich owner, we should let all our players leave for free, and buy players for high transfer fees, but one of the first things that the EFL will do, if we fail the FFP rules, is slap a transfer embargo on us. We all know what happens then. Up until now the biggest consideratioon of letting platers go for nothing is that we need the transfer fee because the club (the owners) had no money. Once we hit the FFP limits the issue won't be a lack of money it will be an inability to spend it - or worse still, a points deduction. If Alfie can, alone, guarantee promotion then I can see a case for 'turning down' the £1m or so that wer'd get with add-ons. If he cannot guarantee that then we could find ourselves in the third division next September with him leaving for Celtic and us getting nothing and not being allowed to sign any players as we have failed the FFP requirements.
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 13:22:30 GMT
I definately dont agree with sell him now just to get,what for all tense and purposes would be a pittance if he dosent sign a contract, when we have a new decent owner and he still decides to go at the end of the season for nothing then so be it but i beleive if he stays he could be all the difference for us this season plus if he does stay and we have the new owner and are doing well (hopefully)he may decide at some point to sign that new contract and continues to progress as he is then we could if he wanted to be sold do so further down the line get a far greater fee for someone who could then be the finished article We need to remember that FFP dictates that, as a club, we can only spend a function of what we earn. It's all well and good saying that, with a rich owner, we should let all our players leave for free, and buy players for high transfer fees, but one of the first things that the EFL will do, if we fail the FFP rules, is slap a transfer embargo on us. We all know what happens then. Up until now the biggest consideratioon of letting platers go for nothing is that we need the transfer fee because the club (the owners) had no money. Once we hit the FFP limits the issue won't be a lack of money it will be an inability to spend it - or worse still, a points deduction. If Alfie can, alone, guarantee promotion then I can see a case for 'turning down' the £1m or so that wer'd get with add-ons. If he cannot guarantee that then we could find ourselves in the third division next September with him leaving for Celtic and us getting nothing and not being allowed to sign any players as we have failed the FFP requirements. No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered
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Post by themightymidget on Sept 16, 2020 13:41:08 GMT
We need to remember that FFP dictates that, as a club, we can only spend a function of what we earn. It's all well and good saying that, with a rich owner, we should let all our players leave for free, and buy players for high transfer fees, but one of the first things that the EFL will do, if we fail the FFP rules, is slap a transfer embargo on us. We all know what happens then. Up until now the biggest consideratioon of letting platers go for nothing is that we need the transfer fee because the club (the owners) had no money. Once we hit the FFP limits the issue won't be a lack of money it will be an inability to spend it - or worse still, a points deduction. If Alfie can, alone, guarantee promotion then I can see a case for 'turning down' the £1m or so that wer'd get with add-ons. If he cannot guarantee that then we could find ourselves in the third division next September with him leaving for Celtic and us getting nothing and not being allowed to sign any players as we have failed the FFP requirements. No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered A better idea is to give the kid a new contract now, although I imagine Celtic's salary offer will be too good to turn down.
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 13:43:13 GMT
No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered A better idea is to give the kid a new contract now, although I imagine Celtic's salary offer will be too good to turn down. definitely ......if only we knew who owned us 🤔
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 13:59:29 GMT
No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered A better idea is to give the kid a new contract now, although I imagine Celtic's salary offer will be too good to turn down. Absolutely, but I did say we would have to make a decision only if he refused to sign a contract. If he hears, via an agent, that Celtic will pay him £20k a week he’s not going to sign an extension with us on £2,500 a week. I don’t think we can afford to pay him anything like £20k a week so it seems unlikely that he will sign an extension.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 14:02:15 GMT
We need to remember that FFP dictates that, as a club, we can only spend a function of what we earn. It's all well and good saying that, with a rich owner, we should let all our players leave for free, and buy players for high transfer fees, but one of the first things that the EFL will do, if we fail the FFP rules, is slap a transfer embargo on us. We all know what happens then. Up until now the biggest consideratioon of letting platers go for nothing is that we need the transfer fee because the club (the owners) had no money. Once we hit the FFP limits the issue won't be a lack of money it will be an inability to spend it - or worse still, a points deduction. If Alfie can, alone, guarantee promotion then I can see a case for 'turning down' the £1m or so that wer'd get with add-ons. If he cannot guarantee that then we could find ourselves in the third division next September with him leaving for Celtic and us getting nothing and not being allowed to sign any players as we have failed the FFP requirements. No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered This was the same gamble that we took with Bauer and it worked out ok. However we, allegedly turned down £3m plus for Taylor in January, went down and he left for nothing. There is no obvious answer but we do need to take into account the money, even if we as fans are happy for someone else to spunk millions of pounds of their money on our hobby.
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 14:09:17 GMT
No one player can guarantee promotion but I’m sure he’ll help the cause and if we do gain promotion then it’s worth the gamble of losing him for nowt, of course if we did gain promotion he may well agree to extend /renew his contract under better terms he could be offered This was the same gamble that we took with Bauer and it worked out ok. However we, allegedly turned down £3m plus for Taylor in January, went down and he left for nothing. There is no obvious answer but we do need to take into account the money, even if we as fans are happy for someone else to spunk millions of pounds of their money on our hobby. would you want to hang around under RD or ESI1&2 I’m surprised we didn’t lose more but under TS things may get better ?
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 14:32:55 GMT
This was the same gamble that we took with Bauer and it worked out ok. However we, allegedly turned down £3m plus for Taylor in January, went down and he left for nothing. There is no obvious answer but we do need to take into account the money, even if we as fans are happy for someone else to spunk millions of pounds of their money on our hobby. would you want to hang around under RD or ESI1&2 I’m surprised we didn’t lose more but under TS things may get better ? Frankly I’m not sure any of them care if the money on offer is enough. This is, in my view, why Taylor left, why Aribo left, why Bauer left and why Alfie will leave. We, as fans, are obsessed with the ownership and all that shit, the players are obsessed with the money on offer!
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 15:11:38 GMT
would you want to hang around under RD or ESI1&2 I’m surprised we didn’t lose more but under TS things may get better ? Frankly I’m not sure any of them care if the money on offer is enough. This is, in my view, why Taylor left, why Aribo left, why Bauer left and why Alfie will leave. We, as fans, are obsessed with the ownership and all that shit, the players are obsessed with the money on offer! somewhere along the line if you’ve got any ambition you have to encourage your young talent and better players to stay at the club or you’ll just stagnate , I know what I want
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 16, 2020 15:44:10 GMT
Frankly I’m not sure any of them care if the money on offer is enough. This is, in my view, why Taylor left, why Aribo left, why Bauer left and why Alfie will leave. We, as fans, are obsessed with the ownership and all that shit, the players are obsessed with the money on offer! somewhere along the line if you’ve got any ambition you have to encourage your young talent and better players to stay at the club or you’ll just stagnate , I know what I want I suspect that we both want the same. However, we need to be realistic, if we have a player that is 'worth' ten times more than we can afford to pay him how are we going to encourage him to stay?
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Post by AndyB on Sept 16, 2020 16:03:14 GMT
somewhere along the line if you’ve got any ambition you have to encourage your young talent and better players to stay at the club or you’ll just stagnate , I know what I want I suspect that we both want the same. However, we need to be realistic, if we have a player that is 'worth' ten times more than we can afford to pay him how are we going to encourage him to stay? hopefully TS can encourage him should he become the new owner shortly
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