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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 14:56:58 GMT
What if neither of you two are correct? What if RD is neither excited about success nor determined to destroy the club. Hard to figure as passionate Charlton fans but RD might simply be an eccentric billionaire who wanted to put something back by buying a set of football clubs down on their luck. From observing the last five years and particularly the last two seasons, he appeared to be somewhat agnostic about promotion, funding the squad enough to secure a play off slot. Perhaps we might ask a different question: did the results against Doncaster and Sunderland change all of the effort and money spent in the preceding 12 months? Does the completely random outcome of three very competitive games change Bowyer, Gallen, JJ, Avory, Murray, Parkes and Duchatelet?! After all, isn't that why we enjoy the football so much? It can be so completely unpredictable as well as absorbing. Very good post.
The irony is that we should be grateful that Duchatalet didn't sell to the Aussies a year ago, given that it was reported that they planned to replace Bowyer with Harry Kewell. If that had happened, we would probably strill be in Div One right now!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 15:13:26 GMT
...Presumably IA, these last three messages to garrynelson are what you regard as good debate? Not for me to judge, Mr Lardiman. Just glad to welcome him back and hoping that he enjoyed what was a brilliant season... I'll take that as a yes. As for what seriouslyred posted, I would say his suggestion that Duchatelet does not care whether Charlton are promoted or not is much more plausible to me than your statement in one of your 'welcome back' messages to garrynelson ; "You do come out with some witless comments. Of course the owner wanted promotion. He's put Charlton on the market and as a championship club with 38,000 supporters he's now got a much better chance of getting his asking price."And SR managed to put his theory forward without insulting anybody, wording his idea as if it was an obvious fact, or referring to himself in the plural. This last on your part is presumably an editorial "we" (an indicator that you see yourself as a spokesperson for this forum) rather than a royal "we". I'll admit I may have much to learn from the good debating style presented by members such as SR. But believe me, so do you.
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 1, 2019 16:51:37 GMT
Only Nigel can claim that others are “putting words into other people’s mouths” while trying to keep a straight face 🤣
How can it “not be for you to judge” when it was based on your meaning of your comments? Or maybe you have a habit of not knowing what you’re talking about? Possibly.
RD has publicly claimed his acquisition of CAFC was an error, that it takes up only 2% of his time and he couldn’t even be bothered to attend Wembley to watch his club in a play off final, but let’s just keep convincing ourselves that he wants nothing but success for our (that plural thing is catchy) club
I hope he manages to sell soon and I hope, when he does, that he gives Lee Bowyer and his coaching staff the praise it deserves - he has gone on record to blame others for the failures during his time here, so surely it should work the other way around, I’m sure you’d agree.
I can’t see the logic (something RD isn’t known for, at least with regards to his football acquisitions) in an owner not wanting to tie down a young, dynamic and successful young manager to a long term contract to keep the value of his investment increasing. Hopefully time will soon tell - fingers crossed, right
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:01:51 GMT
...The owner has told us (sorry, he didn't just tell me, it was definitely we!) how chuffed he is by promotion... If you are referring to the congratulatory message from RD on the CAFC website, I seriously doubt that was written by Roland Duchatelet at all. I also seriously doubt that the Club is really for sale. On the first point I don't care whether I am right or wrong, and we will never know anyway so it doesn't really matter. I hope I am wrong on the second point, but Charlton Athletic has been on sale for two years now. If the price was the sticking point then I agree that promotion back to the Championship and the demonstration last Sunday that this Club can still muster more fans than the Valley can hold, makes a sale of the Club more likely now. That is assuming Duchatelet does not simply raise the asking price back to an unattractive level. The more time that now passes without a take-over being announced, the more likely it is that I am right to doubt that CAFC really is for sale at all. The Club being apparently for sale is a very convenient excuse for cutting budgets to the bone, avoiding any long term commitments like new contracts, or even employing appropriate senior executives. If this state of affairs continues beyond the beginning of next season, how many supporters will continue to believe Roland Duchatelet is sincere in his stated desire to sell the Club? Fewer and fewer, with every passing day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 18:43:58 GMT
Climate change is a myth, the moon landing was faked in a Hollywood studio, the world is flat - and CAFC is not for sale cos the owner loves losing money. lol... "How many supporters believe Roland Duchatelet is sincere in his stated desire to sell the Club?" you ask. Is the answer the hoaxer who discovered Piltdown Man, the clown who predicted the Millenium Bug would cause global meltdown, little girls who believe in unicorns... and you? I'm sorry to take the pee and please don't take offence at my gentle banter. But you have to admit that you do sometimes get carried away with yourself in a way that invites it! If the Club is sold I'll never have been more happy to be wrong in doubting that it is really for sale, because a take-over will mean Duchatelet is gone (something we all want apparently) and the harm he did can begin to be healed. Something infinitely more important than me looking a bit silly. However, the longer RD remains as CAFC owner, the more credibility my doubts will gain. Roland Duchatelet is either in denial about his failures with Charlton to a delusional extent, or he is a manipulative liar. His recent demand that the EFL buy the Club would suggest the former, as would his explanation of Charlton's failure to sign Chris Wilder if he really believes his own words. If he is determined enough to claw back all of the money he ever invested in CAFC since 2014 his asking price will be so high that no potential buyer will meet it. And if his denial of his own failure makes him stubborn enough, then he may never sell the Club. The money Duchatelet is losing is not very much compared to the rest of his business empire, which I understand is pretty successful. Having a small branch of that empire losing some money is possibly useful for tax reasons, though I'll admit that is just a guess. In any case he can afford to indulge his pride indefinitely if he so wishes. Let's revisit this conversation perhaps, depending on which happens sooner; A) The Club is sold. B) Christmas.
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Post by willett on Jun 1, 2019 19:29:12 GMT
Another thread ruined!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 19:34:56 GMT
I hope not. Admittedly a few of us have strayed off topic for a while, but (indirectly at least) the sale or not of CAFC is linked to Lee Bowyer's contract situation. Getting Bowyer signed up should be the Club's absolute priority regardless of take-over machinations. Most Charlton fans believe this should have been attended to long before now. I hope we see a resolution to this matter during the next week or two at the very outside.
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Post by willett on Jun 1, 2019 19:47:56 GMT
Was speaking more about all the talk directed at Gary Nelson.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 22:40:16 GMT
Blimey what a cheery thread, did Charlton just get relegated? Ffs it reminds me of this season when so may wrote, “I would love to be wrong but...” and then entered a negative post regarding our chances of promotion!
It’s boring repetitive crap! Get a grip and wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 5:26:21 GMT
Blimey what a cheery thread, did Charlton just get relegated? * Ffs it reminds me of this season when so may wrote, “I would love to be wrong but...” and then entered a negative post regarding our chances of promotion! It’s boring repetitive crap! Get a grip and wait and see. *You might want to ask Roland that question. If the job Bowyer just did last season was done for any other Club, it would have made it a priority to reward him with an acceptable new contract long before now. And the tired old excuse that RD hasn't done that because the Club is for sale just doesn't wash. If you're not concerned that LB is still out of contract in a few weeks despite his fantastic achievement, then this thread would presumably hold no interest for you anyway. There are plenty of positive themed threads for you to enjoy.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Jun 2, 2019 6:23:47 GMT
Blimey what a cheery thread, did Charlton just get relegated? Ffs it reminds me of this season when so may wrote, “I would love to be wrong but...” and then entered a negative post regarding our chances of promotion! It’s boring repetitive crap! Get a grip and wait and see. It's in the mind set of some now , embedded deep in the brain , if people are not moaning it doesn't quite seem right now. It doesn't help that fans are delusional that a rich Arab is gonna walk through the door throwing cash at everything that moves. That would be nice but ever since ive supported Charlton its never been our way. Yes Bowyer should of had a long contract way before now but he will sign this week when he gets back from holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 6:42:14 GMT
It's in the mind set of some now , embedded deep in the brain , if people are not moaning it doesn't quite seem right now. It doesn't help that fans are delusional that a rich Arab is gonna walk through the door throwing cash at everything that moves. That would be nice but ever since ive supported Charlton its never been our way. Yes Bowyer should of had a long contract way before now but he will sign this week when he gets back from holiday. I hope you are right about Bowyer signing a new contract this week, because that is far more important than a few fans on a forum taking cheap pops at each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 9:11:19 GMT
Blimey what a cheery thread, did Charlton just get relegated? Ffs it reminds me of this season when so may wrote, “I would love to be wrong but...” and then entered a negative post regarding our chances of promotion! It’s boring repetitive crap! Get a grip and wait and see. It's in the mind set of some now , embedded deep in the brain , if people are not moaning it doesn't quite seem right now. It doesn't help that fans are delusional that a rich Arab is gonna walk through the door throwing cash at everything that moves. That would be nice but ever since ive supported Charlton its never been our way. Yes Bowyer should of had a long contract way before now but he will sign this week when he gets back from holiday. Your right, the takeover will be when it is however much we want it to be tomorrow and LB is on holiday as everyone knows so there’s really no need at this stage to press the panic button... I also don’t think I’m having a pop at anyone but just generalising about how a lot of the threads seem to be going...
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Post by revilo on Jun 4, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 19:31:51 GMT
Only Nigel can claim that others are “putting words into other people’s mouths” while trying to keep a straight face 🤣 How can it “not be for you to judge” when it was based on your meaning of your comments? Or maybe you have a habit of not knowing what you’re talking about? Possibly. Well, there's a surprise. There you go again, Gazza, hijacking another thread and trying to put words into other people's mouths. Why do you do it?
READ MY LIPS as the great man said and stop spinning like a low-rent Alastair Campbell!
It's Derek to you, by the way. I'm not a Palace supporter!
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 4, 2019 19:38:19 GMT
Only Nigel can claim that others are “putting words into other people’s mouths” while trying to keep a straight face 🤣 How can it “not be for you to judge” when it was based on your meaning of your comments? Or maybe you have a habit of not knowing what you’re talking about? Possibly. Well, there's a surprise. There you go again, Gazza, hijacking another thread and trying to put words into other people's mouths. Why do you do it?
READ MY LIPS as the great man said and stop spinning like a low-rent Alastair Campbell!
It's Derek to you, by the way. I'm not a Palace supporter!
Nigel, shhhhhh Let the grown ups talk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 19:47:57 GMT
We were waiting for you to talk while we won nine of our last 11 matches, Nigel/Garry. But you said not a word. Then straight after Wembley you're back again to moan and whinge.
Can you explain how that works? I think scabbyhorse nailed your kind when he told you: "It's in the mind set , embedded deep in the brain."
Sad but there we are.The club got on very well while you went AWOL. In fact, witout you cheering us on we went and got promoted, goddamit. At least nobody could accused you of being a fairweather fan. You're only happy when it's raining and wanted Harry Kewell to replace Bowyer!!!!
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Post by garrynelson on Jun 4, 2019 20:18:54 GMT
We were waiting for you to talk while we won nine of our last 11 matches, Nigel/Garry. But you said not a word. Then straight after Wembley you're back again to moan and whinge. Can you explain how that works? I think scabbyhorse nailed your kind when he told you: "It's in the mind set , embedded deep in the brain." Sad but there we are.The club got on very well while you went AWOL. In fact, witout you cheering us on we went and got promoted, goddamit. At least nobody could accused you of being a fairweather fan. You're only happy when it's raining and wanted Harry Kewell to replace Bowyer!!!! Not very bright are you Nigel? And you were one whining about “putting words in people’s mouths” You contribute nothing, as you’re proving now, so stop embarassing yourself Please
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Post by 1978sussex on Jun 4, 2019 22:32:33 GMT
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Post by bexleyboy on Jun 5, 2019 7:50:30 GMT
Yawn ......
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Post by massivebeak on Jun 5, 2019 8:00:58 GMT
I got my popcorn out for this!!!
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Post by essexaddick on Jun 5, 2019 10:05:26 GMT
I wouldn't yawn. He has no contract yet and they will offer a lot of money. What do you think Lampard is on? And knowing what our owner is like with messing people about I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss LB going somewhere else. Loyalty has it's limits.
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Post by massivebeak on Jun 5, 2019 10:22:23 GMT
I wouldn't yawn. He has no contract yet and they will offer a lot of money. What do you think Lampard is on? And knowing what our owner is like with messing people about I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss LB going somewhere else. Loyalty has it's limits. To be fair I think he was yawning at all the arguing buddy- not the actual thread topic.
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Post by reamsofverse on Jun 5, 2019 10:32:15 GMT
Bowyer is the key to next season. If he signs a new contract he'll be the Pied Piper of St. Trond leading the rat away and then out of contract players will buy into and stay with us. Likewise he will attract new players too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 10:55:38 GMT
I wouldn't yawn. He has no contract yet and they will offer a lot of money. What do you think Lampard is on? And knowing what our owner is like with messing people about I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss LB going somewhere else. Loyalty has it's limits. Bowyer has done very well for us but I am not sure he would achieve as well elsewhere - where he didn't have the club's DNA running through him and a real sense of unity with the fans who stuck by him.
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Post by willett on Jun 5, 2019 11:44:44 GMT
I wouldn't yawn. He has no contract yet and they will offer a lot of money. What do you think Lampard is on? And knowing what our owner is like with messing people about I wouldn't be to quick to dismiss LB going somewhere else. Loyalty has it's limits. To be fair I think he was yawning at all the arguing buddy- not the actual thread topic. Think he was yawning at the Bowyer article.
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Post by essexaddick on Jun 5, 2019 14:43:16 GMT
Fair enough. Apologies BB if I misunderstood.
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Post by seriouslyred on Jun 5, 2019 14:59:55 GMT
Bowyer has done extremely well for us compared to his predecessors whilst conveniently nailing a few myths on the journey. CAFC was not "destroyed" nor did it suffer from a "paper thin squad" nor a "fire sale". For Bowyer went for quality over quantity as well as dropping those who didn't follow instructions.
Is that CAFC DNA or what Bowyer learnt throughout his career at the top. Or perhaps a mix not dissimilar to that which Curbs brought to the club back in the day?
As a friend loves to quote to me "culture eats strategy for breakfast" and Bowyer has instilled a winning culture proven by a superb win %.
As to what's next? If he isn't signed up then all bets are off! How can we expect to grow the club and the fanbase if he goes? And if he stays, there's no guarantee he can hack it in the Championship... or that he and Gallen build the squad correctly.
But probably best that we all get to travel on the journey and find out.
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Post by 1978sussex on Jun 5, 2019 16:23:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 16:37:55 GMT
If that old goats not interested in our club why doesn't he sell up ffs.We could potentially lose the best manager who has brought this club and fans back together.We are a Championship club now but still no news of any concrete takeover talks .The only one spouting his mouth of of interested parties is the side kick of RD .
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