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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:30:31 GMT
Not been on here for awhile due to travelling around the world for work. I've spoken to a few current owners of high profile businesses in South East Asia and the UK about our CEO, none of them support CAFC, some don't even follow football, but having given facts about what has happened, including relegation's, change of managers, lengths of some player contracts, etc etc, there so far has been no support for her or the owner. In fact some are asking why the owner keeps on the incumbent. Perhaps selling is now his best option? And before anyone asks I'm not a member of CARD or anyone else, just a 60 year old supporter that talks and works with owners of large businesses. Did any give her a call for her side of the story?? Nope didn't think so....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:41:37 GMT
Not been on here for awhile due to travelling around the world for work. I've spoken to a few current owners of high profile businesses in South East Asia and the UK about our CEO, none of them support CAFC, some don't even follow football, but having given facts about what has happened, including relegation's, change of managers, lengths of some player contracts, etc etc, there so far has been no support for her or the owner. In fact some are asking why the owner keeps on the incumbent. Perhaps selling is now his best option? And before anyone asks I'm not a member of CARD or anyone else, just a 60 year old supporter that talks and works with owners of large businesses. Sounds like quite a lengthy story you told them. I must say I am surprised these high profile business owners had the time to spend gossiping about a football club they had nothing to do with.
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Post by stonemuse on Mar 5, 2017 17:55:24 GMT
You know full well what I mean ...he has not yet proved he will change. If KR is still with us in September and RD has invested in the squad then I will hold my hands up. However, thus far, RD has proved nothing in that direction. Honestly I don't know what you mean, else I wouldn't be asking these questions. I was under the impression that at least Slade got a certain amount of freedom to develop the squad within the reasons of a budget. What I'm thinking though is that you want RD to get rid of the budget, or at least be very flexible with it, and let the manager overspend as he sees fit; correct? Summarising, I don't trust RD, his track record is awful with regards to managerial appointments and I think he is bad for the future of the club.
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 18:31:27 GMT
Sell the club to who? If someone was serious about investing into Charlton, the deal would already have been done. With Roland, you don't really know, do you. He moves in (very) mysterious ways...
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Post by cafcharry on Mar 5, 2017 18:41:11 GMT
Not been on here for awhile due to travelling around the world for work. I've spoken to a few current owners of high profile businesses in South East Asia and the UK about our CEO, none of them support CAFC, some don't even follow football, but having given facts about what has happened, including relegation's, change of managers, lengths of some player contracts, etc etc, there so far has been no support for her or the owner. In fact some are asking why the owner keeps on the incumbent. Perhaps selling is now his best option? And before anyone asks I'm not a member of CARD or anyone else, just a 60 year old supporter that talks and works with owners of large businesses. Did any give her a call for her side of the story?? Nope didn't think so.... What is her side of the story? 'I was only hired because the owner liked me even though I have absolutely no qualifications for the role and not a single other club in the football league would consider hiring me. Since then I have made error after error and led Charlton to the worst league position in their history.'
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Post by bigandy99 on Mar 5, 2017 18:43:24 GMT
Interesting that the majority support the "sell" option so far...not what I would have placed a fiver on!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 18:48:50 GMT
Did any give her a call for her side of the story?? Nope didn't think so.... What is her side of the story? 'I was only hired because the owner liked me even though I have absolutely no qualifications for the role and not a single other club in the football league would consider hiring me. Since then I have made error after error and led Charlton to the worst league position in their history.' You spoken to her too then? Nope didn't think so...
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Post by cafcharry on Mar 5, 2017 18:52:43 GMT
What is her side of the story? 'I was only hired because the owner liked me even though I have absolutely no qualifications for the role and not a single other club in the football league would consider hiring me. Since then I have made error after error and led Charlton to the worst league position in their history.' You spoken to her too then? Nope didn't think so... What is it that she could say that could excuse her hiring and continued incompetence since to you? It's insanity that she still has a job here and she will definitely struggle to get another in football when we finally get rid.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:04:00 GMT
You spoken to her too then? Nope didn't think so... What is it that she could say that could excuse her hiring and continued incompetence since to you? It's insanity that she still has a job here and she will definitely struggle to get another in football when we finally get rid. No it's insanity that people continually criticise when they have no insight into the club... Yes she has made mistakes, she's acknowledged that and learnt very harsh lessons the hard way... You don't pay her and you don't own the club....
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Post by cafcharry on Mar 5, 2017 19:14:08 GMT
What is it that she could say that could excuse her hiring and continued incompetence since to you? It's insanity that she still has a job here and she will definitely struggle to get another in football when we finally get rid. No it's insanity that people continually criticise when they have no insight into the club... Yes she has made mistakes, she's acknowledged that and learnt very harsh lessons the hard way... You don't pay her and you don't own the club.... Do you actually support Charlton? I think anyone that does surely has more of an attachment to the club to just right it off to that. I don't care if I don't pay her wages she is out of her depth beyond belief and everyone can see that. How you stick up for her is beyond belief.
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Post by webbo on Mar 5, 2017 19:14:26 GMT
That cannot be ignored. Something is rotten in Charlton and when you have an autocrat in control, change can only come from the top. He has proved, time and time again, that he will not change, therefore selling is the only option to safeguard the future of our, OUR, club. Can you elaborate a bit on your 'he will not change' statement? Wasn't it a 'main' demand from the fans that: - CA needs an English coach? - CA needs to buy English players? As far as I can judge, both the RS and KR appointments were well received by the fans. So were the English signings over the summer, and to a lesser extend this winter. It didn't work out (so far), but what are the other big changes you expect from him? Those were never my demands, and might be becoming a bit of an urban myth smoke screen. I want a decent manager and players who try to win matches first and foremost. The nationality of the manager and players has never been an issue for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:19:48 GMT
No it's insanity that people continually criticise when they have no insight into the club... Yes she has made mistakes, she's acknowledged that and learnt very harsh lessons the hard way... You don't pay her and you don't own the club.... Do you actually support Charlton? I think anyone that does surely has more of an attachment to the club to just right it off to that. I don't care if I don't pay her wages she is out of her depth beyond belief and everyone can see that. How you stick up for her is beyond belief. Silly question so I think we'll leave it there.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 5, 2017 19:43:43 GMT
Won't have an impact but I'm wondering what people think RD should do to stop another train wreck. For the first time this season we should worry about relegation and the impact that might have on our club. Incidentally there is no defence for the board or the January window but as for apportioning blame? Not sure we have the knowledge nor does it help the situation. Wouldn't want to be in the trenches with you pal. Have your nose put out and you change your colours!! I will use one of your famous quotes here...Instead of starting polls that just 7 of those at the meeting last week have voted on, how about we wait to see where we are in the summer?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:52:40 GMT
No it's insanity that people continually criticise when they have no insight into the club... Yes she has made mistakes, she's acknowledged that and learnt very harsh lessons the hard way... You don't pay her and you don't own the club.... What does "insight into the Club" mean? Employees of CAFC are banned by their contracts from criticising the Club. How much knowledge and experience or connections does a fan need before he/she is considered to have insight into the Club? Are you saying that only a privileged few who hob-nob with senior figures inside the Club have a right to criticise it?
There is an air of elitism surrounding the principal defenders of the current administration at Charlton Athletic which I suspect many commonplace fans (supporters who don't have connections to anybody within the Club, everyday supporters who simply pay their money and come to matches) find pretty distasteful. The notion that the plebs don't have a right to criticise what they can't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:06:36 GMT
No it's insanity that people continually criticise when they have no insight into the club... Yes she has made mistakes, she's acknowledged that and learnt very harsh lessons the hard way... You don't pay her and you don't own the club.... What does "insight into the Club" mean? Employees of CAFC are banned by their contracts from criticising the Club. How much knowledge and experience or connections does a fan need before he/she is considered to have insight into the Club? Are you saying that only a privileged few who hob-nob with senior figures inside the Club have a right to criticise it?
There is an air of elitism surrounding the principal defenders of the current administration at Charlton Athletic which I suspect many commonplace fans (supporters who don't have connections to anybody within the Club, everyday supporters who simply pay their money and come to matches) find pretty distasteful. The notion that the plebs don't have a right to criticise what they can't understand. Welcome ladies and gentleman to dig out Jed day!! No elitism and not defending, all I'm saying is there are two sides to every story but nobody has asked the other side have they, if they claim to have they just say she is lying... It's not so much the criticism but the abuse that goes with it...
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Post by venerablesage on Mar 5, 2017 20:07:11 GMT
This poll is interesting. DoF,are people thinking Curbs or Lennie Lennie Lollipop? Who would people suggest and how would you define their role?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:25:03 GMT
I will use one of your famous quotes here...Instead of starting polls that just 7 of those at the meeting last week have voted on, how about we wait to see where we are in the summer? Hang on a minute. Of what relevance is the number of people who attended the meeting last week voting on this poll? Do the opinions of ITTV members who attended the meeting now matter more than the opinions of those who did not?
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:25:06 GMT
As I've stated before, I feel that Charlton will not recover in the long term until Roland Duchatelet sells the Club. This is because I believe that the changes he has made to the way the senior footballing side of the Club is operates means that it is no longer fit for purpose in the environment of the EFL. So many poor results/performances, and our 18 month slide towards the bottom of the Football Leagues is clear evidence of this. Appointing a good Director of Football sounds like a reasonable solution to our current troubles, but I believe it will not work. The simple reason is the same one which has held us back since RD established his methodology. Duchatelet does not trust football people in this country, and does not give them the backing or freedom to do their jobs properly. Any Director of Football who is worth his salt would find himself having to resign before very long, because he would discover what is already apparent; That Duchatelet considers himself our Director of Football, even though he is so remote from the day-to-day vibe within the Valley and our training ground that he has no idea whatsoever of the tensions and problems which continually defeat our efforts to play good football. Even though he appears to make every important decision as he sees fit regardless of whether his CEO or other senior staff are onboard, Roland Duchatelet's remoteness and lack of any inspirational or emotional input at all has most Charlton fans concluding that he just does not care. Issues in other branches of his extensive business empire seem to occupy all of his time.
It is very simple. Charlton will not enjoy a sustained recovery of fortunes on the pitch until we have a manager who is allowed to do his job properly and who is better supported by the executive. A Director of Football who is also allowed to do his job would probably help. A competent and experienced CEO who is allowed to do his/her job would also be a massive benefit. It is clear now that we are not going to have any of these things until the Club is under different ownership. PS:Some people may think the timing of this poll is not appropriate, because it is less than 24 hours after our 4th straight defeat and naturally fans will be in an emotional state about that. I would counter that by saying that if Cherlton were not suffering their poorest Division 3 season since 1945 the poll would not be necessary at all. But we are, so it is. I doff my cap. Well said sir.
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:28:39 GMT
I was at the meeting last week Paul and came away feeling very positive especially having listened to RM. But since then we have lost another 3 games and we really are in Big trouble. Ideally sell the club -but as you say who to??? In answer to the question it would be to get a a recognised Director to fix things. But we have to deal in the short term andI fear KR has lost the dressing room - so for me reluctantly it has to be replace KR with JJ Big risk for JJ. If he didn't turn it round it could be disastrous for his managerial reputation, which would be a shame because we all love JJ!
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Post by canterburyaddick on Mar 5, 2017 20:34:35 GMT
This poll is interesting. DoF,are people thinking Curbs or Lennie Lennie Lollipop? Who would people suggest and how would you define their role? I tend to agree with the concept of DoF being a decent idea. But is there any evidence that they work. Most managers seem to find them undermining to my memory. Also no one is then taking full responsibility. As far as KM is concerned, she is clearly intelligent, a qualified lawyer and has three years experience of running the business side of a football league club. I'm not sure how many of those there are around, but probably not many. I suspect that she would actually walk into another job fairly comfortably. The bad decisions that we refer to are football ones and I lay those at RD's door and his failed projects. He has now one last chance to become the owner that he could always have been, had he spent money in the right direction.
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:34:46 GMT
Did any give her a call for her side of the story?? Nope didn't think so.... What is her side of the story? 'I was only hired because the owner liked me even though I have absolutely no qualifications for the role and not a single other club in the football league would consider hiring me. Since then I have made error after error and led Charlton to the worst league position in their history.' She gets an unwarranted amount of support on this forum considering the mistakes she's made. I'm sure she's a very nice person though - I can see that makes it harder to criticise. I think we all wanted her to succeed, and the idea of having a competent female CEO seemed progressive to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:46:08 GMT
Sell.
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:47:58 GMT
I've had a fair amount of stick on this Forum (abuse?) but all's fair in love and war etc. I've always tried to sway opinion against Roland, and while I obviously failed miserably, events seem to have been more effective. He really has dug a hole for himself, and it's hard for anyone to argue his corner now. And last time he was asked if he would sell the club, he reportedly said "Maybe".
But maybe now's the time for ALL Charlton fans to get together and let Roland know we really have had enough.
I do understand the danger involved in rejecting the richest owner we've ever had, but he's almost led us into the lowest league position in our history, despite his vast wealth. Even if there is risk involved, I really do pray he sells us to any reputable buyers who may be out there. If there aren't any, then we only have to hope he gives up on his 'it doesn't matter if we lose, it's the fan experience, and the after show party that counts' experiment. Let's face it, NONE OF US GET IT! Even Reams is having a bit of a rethink it seems ;-)
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Post by johnnyh2 on Mar 5, 2017 20:51:35 GMT
So after 58 votes, currently 71% want him to sell.
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 5, 2017 20:51:41 GMT
So after 58 votes, currently 71% want him to sell. One can say more later but three significant numbers: Only 5% calling for a change of manager - compare that to other places where it is open season of Karl Robinson and this site is where I would prefer to be Secondly, the percentage calling for RD to sell is identical to February 2016 - no more no less. And that is when we have gone many games without a win. As stated above, let's see where that falls over the summer once we have gotten through this season. We have three home games over the next ten days - all to play for. And the third number? This time last year a poll would have secured 30 votes within the first day and yet this one is on 60 votes. I don't know the exact stats for this site but the pro club agenda in the midst of all of the panic appears to be attracting more and more fans. This site has engaged with the club in the middle of this terrible run showing that we support the club come rain or shine. There are different views but we all want success... and perhaps we want to learn a little bit more about the challenge of running our great club?
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
This poll is interesting. DoF,are people thinking Curbs or Lennie Lennie Lollipop? Who would people suggest and how would you define their role? I tend to agree with the concept of DoF being a decent idea. But is there any evidence that they work. Most managers seem to find them undermining to my memory. Also no one is then taking full responsibility. As far as KM is concerned, she is clearly intelligent, a qualified lawyer and has three years experience of running the business side of a football league club. I'm not sure how many of those there are around, but probably not many. I suspect that she would actually walk into another job fairly comfortably. The bad decisions that we refer to are football ones and I lay those at RD's door and his failed projects. He has now one last chance to become the owner that he could always have been, had he spent money in the right direction. 'and has three years experience of running the business side of a football league club' Yes, but highly unsuccessfully. Too many players on long contracts, being paid far too much money, has hardly helped the financial side of the club. It's probably a very large part of why we're in such a mess. I don't actually blame her. How was she supposed to know the ins and outs of professional football contracts. She didn't have enough experience to be given the the job. It was just one of RD's whims.
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Post by johnnyh2 on Mar 5, 2017 20:54:06 GMT
One can say more later but three significant numbers: Only 5% calling for a change of manager - compare that to other places where it is open season of Karl Robinson and this site is where I would prefer to be Secondly, the percentage calling for RD to sell is identical to February 2016 - no more no less. And that is when we have gone many games without a win. As stated above, let's see where that falls over the summer once we have gotten through this season. We have three home games over the next ten days - all to play for. And the third number? This time last year a poll would have secured 30 votes within the first day and yet this one is on 60 votes. I don't know the exact stats for this site but the pro club agenda in the midst of all of the panic appears to be attracting more and more fans. This site has engaged with the club in the middle of this terrible run showing that we support the club come rain or shine. There are different views but we all want success... and perhaps we want to learn a little bit more about the challenge of running our great club? For all the engagement 71% want him to sell and only 1 out of 58 wants things to stay the same
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Post by newstreethill on Mar 5, 2017 20:57:45 GMT
One can say more later but three significant numbers: Only 5% calling for a change of manager - compare that to other places where it is open season of Karl Robinson and this site is where I would prefer to be Secondly, the percentage calling for RD to sell is identical to February 2016 - no more no less. And that is when we have gone many games without a win. As stated above, let's see where that falls over the summer once we have gotten through this season. We have three home games over the next ten days - all to play for. And the third number? This time last year a poll would have secured 30 votes within the first day and yet this one is on 60 votes. I don't know the exact stats for this site but the pro club agenda in the midst of all of the panic appears to be attracting more and more fans. This site has engaged with the club in the middle of this terrible run showing that we support the club come rain or shine. There are different views but we all want success... and perhaps we want to learn a little bit more about the challenge of running our great club? If there had been another option: Sell the club AND change the manager, it might have gathered quite a few votes (not mine though). A lot of people don't like him because he talks too much (and because he's Scouse - which is pathetic) but I admired the energy he brought to the team/club. He looks shell shocked now. Personally I'd give him a summer window to show us what he can do, either with RD changing his philosophy and spending proper money (which he won't) or under new owners.
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Post by zenga on Mar 5, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
There is an air of elitism surrounding the principal defenders of the current administration at Charlton Athletic which I suspect many commonplace fans (supporters who don't have connections to anybody within the Club, everyday supporters who simply pay their money and come to matches) find pretty distasteful. The notion that the plebs don't have a right to criticise what they can't understand. Only speaking for myself: many of the big statements I read are way too often based on bogus logic and/or incorrect facts. Not to mention that the result on Saturday afternoon colors the opinions till Wednesday. Yes anyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I care about the way that opinion is formed. If someone, regardless of his profession/education/status, just bases his/her opinion on what the popular narrative is, then I'm sorry but I can't take that person serious. I believe that the elitism you refer to, are just a bunch of people who are not pro regime by default, but are just people who are tired of arguments and logic completely lacking common sense. They just prefer to place things in their proper context and look at it from both sides. Or in other words: yes I do believe that the majority doesn't put enough effort into forming their own opinion and are thus intellectually dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 22:00:18 GMT
There is an air of elitism surrounding the principal defenders of the current administration at Charlton Athletic which I suspect many commonplace fans (supporters who don't have connections to anybody within the Club, everyday supporters who simply pay their money and come to matches) find pretty distasteful. The notion that the plebs don't have a right to criticise what they can't understand. Only speaking for myself: many of the big statements I read are way too often based on bogus logic and/or incorrect facts. Not to mention that the result on Saturday afternoon colors the opinions till Wednesday. Yes anyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but I care about the way that opinion is formed. If someone, regardless of his profession/education/status, just bases his/her opinion on what the popular narrative is, then I'm sorry but I can't take that person serious. I believe that the elitism you refer to, are just a bunch of people who are not pro regime by default, but are just people who are tired of arguments and logic completely lacking common sense. They just prefer to place things in their proper context and look at it from both sides. Or in other words: yes I do believe that the majority doesn't put enough effort into forming their own opinion and are thus intellectually dishonest.
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