Karl Robinson 100%

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Feb 26, 2017 23:07:54 GMT @wiggysbrokenfoot said:

Can't believe some on here will not give the guy a chance to build his team hes had one over inflated price January window .

And for all those complaining about the 'Undisclosed' fee amounts, it may make some sense now, given the greed of clubs after the Lookman fee was made public.

[reamsofverse]

Optimism? It's not optimism it's what fans do, we have no God given right to walk away with L1 or even get promoted. We all hoped we would given the appointment of our first English manager under the regime but he proved to be the wrong man on and off the pitch just like our or my friends in Cardiff said he would be.

Ajose will be off in the summer and I expect Novak will join him. Novak came here we were told yesterday on the back of signing 15 goals for Chesterfield last season, the same reason as Ajose being brought here having scored 20+ at Swindon. We put our money where the goals were and the club deserve credit for that but it just hasn't worked out and it happens in football, it's easy blaming people but the fact is we splashed out on two goalscorers who just haven't got into any kind of stride and they have lost their confidence, you can't legislate for that so we need stronger characters when things aren't going their way.

Karl Robinsosn told me to my face yesterday in front of DFT, Wiggysbrokenfoot and in the presence of Lee Bowyer that he has made bids on players that have so far been turned down and I have no reason not to believe him, why would I?

He'll be the main wheeler and dealer this summer don't worry about that and he will get deals done.

[The Flying Monk]

Fans should always be optimistic, agreed. But I'm talking about optimism as in getting the right players for the right prices. The club has struggled in previous windows for various reasons, some of which you have highlighted, so any future recruitment will be eyed with a degree of pessimism until it improves. Ensuring that the manager picks his own targets will be a huge step forward.

[reamsofverse]

He will pick his own targets in the summer like he did in January but we won't pay inflated prices for them and rightly so, Ajose is a fine example of why.

I was told yesterday that Carruthers was not on our radar, Reeves and Aneke were. Reeves will be a free in the summer while MK Dons have a one year option on Aneke but we are going to go back for him.

We better MK Dons in every department, the only draw back is the fan unrest, it puts players off coming here but they can't see that being too wrapped up in their own self importance.

The write up on the meeting will expand on that.

[The Flying Monk]

I can't believe Robinson asked for da Silva. A truly bizarre signing.

[The Flying Monk]

Just been reading Aneke's Wikipedia bio. It actually says he scored a 'thunderbastard' of a goal against Peterborough this year.

Thunderbastard.

[reamsofverse]

Have to agree on that one but I think Chelsea wanted to loan him out and we said we'd take a look but this was before Watt came back so naturally Watt has to take priority or there is just no point in him being back here.

[overthetop]

Feb 26, 2017 20:43:30 GMT @incorruptibleaddick said:

It's a woman's prerogative to move the goalposts with every kick, eh?

So not only shown up for the fraud you are by Jane for allegedly supporting Charlton, you've also shown your true misogynist colours with that sentence.

IA, the Donald Trump of ITTV.

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Feb 27, 2017 6:25:42 GMT overthetop said:

Feb 26, 2017 20:43:30 GMT @incorruptibleaddick said:

It's a woman's prerogative to move the goalposts with every kick, eh?

So not only shown up for the fraud you are by Jane for allegedly supporting Charlton, you've also shown your true misogynist colours with that sentence.

IA, the Donald Trump of ITTV.

I'm sure he'll be along soon to tell us how many games he's been to this season......

With regards to Reeves I think it unlikely he'll sign for us in the summer.

He's a rated player so there will be established championship clubs after him and also we'll have a tight wage budget next season due to the financial fair play rules so simply won't be able to compete unless we can sell another Lookman.

Our current wage bill needs cutting and income increasing neither of which will be easy.

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Part of the reason we didn't spend more in the window was finances.

Despite Katriens insistence at one of the Q&A's in November that Lookman wasn't going to be sold in January we needed something in the region of an additional £4m to keep within the fair play rules.

So it was either sell Lookman or inject cash which RD won't do (loans do not apply).

So it was more around being unable to afford the fee MKD wanted than not paying over inflated prices.

KR is going to need to wheel and deal in the summer.

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Feb 27, 2017 7:48:02 GMT @jane said:

Part of the reason we didn't spend more in the window was finances.

Despite Katriens insistence at one of the Q&A's in November that Lookman wasn't going to be sold in January we needed something in the region of an additional £4m to keep within the fair play rules.

So it was either sell Lookman or inject cash which RD won't do (loans do not apply).

So it was more around being unable to afford the fee MKD wanted than not paying over inflated prices.

KR is going to need to wheel and deal in the summer.

Sorry Jane you are wrong. We sold Lookman because we received a ridiculous offer for a league 1 player which could balance the books. Plus he was offered premiership football which he is now playing regularly, would you have denied him that and the club if that money when he could have sustained a career destroying injury the next week jeopardising all of that?
Money will be invested in the team in July, when it should be. We offered more for one player which was turned down and he left for less to another club, but that's history now, we are where we are, we'll finish wherever we do but the main point is KR will be supported in the summer.

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Feb 27, 2017 6:25:42 GMT overthetop said:

So not only shown up for the fraud you are by Jane for allegedly supporting Charlton, you've also shown your true misogynist colours with that sentence.

Yep, only an "alleged" supporter. Missed August in France. Missed most of October due to death in family and repercussions thereof. Missed November because we spent the month in SA.

Castigated for missing matches by a cuckoo who now brazenly parades herself as the uber fan and cannot see the irony that her first post on here said : "my dad now goes to either Dartford or Ebbsfleet, my two brothers don't go anymore and say they won't until he sells...if it was season ticket renewal time now I probably wouldn't bother ".

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Feb 27, 2017 8:05:26 GMT jeddez said:

Feb 27, 2017 7:48:02 GMT @jane said:

Part of the reason we didn't spend more in the window was finances.

Despite Katriens insistence at one of the Q&A's in November that Lookman wasn't going to be sold in January we needed something in the region of an additional £4m to keep within the fair play rules.

So it was either sell Lookman or inject cash which RD won't do (loans do not apply).

So it was more around being unable to afford the fee MKD wanted than not paying over inflated prices.

KR is going to need to wheel and deal in the summer.

Sorry Jane you are wrong. We sold Lookman because we received a ridiculous offer for a league 1 player which could balance the books. Plus he was offered premiership football which he is now playing regularly, would you have denied him that and the club if that money when he could have sustained a career destroying injury the next week jeopardising all of that?
Money will be invested in the team in July, when it should be. We offered more for one player which was turned down and he left for less to another club, but that's history now, we are where we are, we'll finish wherever we do but the main point is KR will be supported in the summer.

Not worth it, jeddez. There are some people who are so puffed-up with their own self-righteousness that they just won't listen.

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You forgot to let us know IA how many games you've been to this season and the last 3? I can't keep asking it's becoming embarrassing you ignoring the question......

Hopefully you'll understand that individuals are just that, individuals so my family can and will make their own decisions as to what they do or don't do, they aren't sheep......

And the irony of you, the man who goes 'when he can' trying to dig out me for potentially not renewing my season ticket next year..... hilarious.

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Feb 27, 2017 8:05:26 GMT jeddez said:

Feb 27, 2017 7:48:02 GMT @jane said:

Part of the reason we didn't spend more in the window was finances.

Despite Katriens insistence at one of the Q&A's in November that Lookman wasn't going to be sold in January we needed something in the region of an additional £4m to keep within the fair play rules.

So it was either sell Lookman or inject cash which RD won't do (loans do not apply).

So it was more around being unable to afford the fee MKD wanted than not paying over inflated prices.

KR is going to need to wheel and deal in the summer.

Sorry Jane you are wrong. We sold Lookman because we received a ridiculous offer for a league 1 player which could balance the books. Plus he was offered premiership football which he is now playing regularly, would you have denied him that and the club if that money when he could have sustained a career destroying injury the next week jeopardising all of that?
Money will be invested in the team in July, when it should be. We offered more for one player which was turned down and he left for less to another club, but that's history now, we are where we are, we'll finish wherever we do but the main point is KR will be supported in the summer.

I don't think we are disagreeing really, we stopped him in the summer going to the premier......

I've no issue with them selling Lookman, made perfect sense I was simply pointing out he needed to be sold to balance the books which you agree? So why KM promised a few weeks earlier he wouldn't be sold god only knows.

We have to live within our means unless we want a transfer embargo etc.

And for all those who say the loans/Quasi equity don't matter then remember if we are paying out £1.5m in interest that has a direct effect on what we are able to spend on transfers and wages.

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Feb 27, 2017 8:15:52 GMT @jane said:

Feb 27, 2017 8:05:26 GMT jeddez said:

Sorry Jane you are wrong. We sold Lookman because we received a ridiculous offer for a league 1 player which could balance the books. Plus he was offered premiership football which he is now playing regularly, would you have denied him that and the club if that money when he could have sustained a career destroying injury the next week jeopardising all of that?
Money will be invested in the team in July, when it should be. We offered more for one player which was turned down and he left for less to another club, but that's history now, we are where we are, we'll finish wherever we do but the main point is KR will be supported in the summer.

I don't think we are disagreeing really, we stopped him in the summer going to the premier......

I've no issue with them selling Lookman, made perfect sense I was simply pointing out he needed to be sold to balance the books which you agree? So why KM promised a few weeks earlier he wouldn't be sold god only knows.

We have to live within our means unless we want a transfer embargo etc.

And for all those who say the loans/Quasi equity don't matter then remember if we are paying out £1.5m in interest that has a direct effect on what we are able to spend on transfers and wages.

The intention wasn't to sell lookman, certainly not for 7m but when somebody is prepared to pay a ridiculous sum which I can only assume came in unexpectedly after KM made that statement, we had no choice really.

The interest doesn't affect the transfers and wages really but it does affect the selling price, which is up to RD what he wants in the end... He may decide to write off some of the interest when he sells to get a fair price but if he doesn't add the interest from the beginning then he won't be able to guard the level of loss he is prepared to accept, unless of course we get to the Prem and it means nothing for the value of the club would be excessive!

Hope that's made sense...

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Feb 27, 2017 8:42:22 GMT @incorruptibleaddick said:

programme count says 34, as it happens. see my p.m.

"my dad now goes to either Dartford or Ebbsfleet, my two brothers don't go anymore and say they won't until he sells...if it was season ticket renewal time now I probably wouldn't bother ".

No PM received? Can you send again?

So 34 in 3 years according to your programme count (assume this is you only and not your extended family?) and yet you seem to have an issue with my support of the team which over that time I've attended probably 100+ matches (I don't always buy a programme so couldn't count them). And you've quoted me correctly, re my dad and brothers. Strangely you haven't mentioned my mum and I still go........

Are you renewing your season ticket next year then or buying one? only £135-175 dependent on age in the lower North.

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Jane,

as you have blocked my private message to you, I shall say it publicly.

My step-father died at the beginning of October. He was also my mother's carer - she's 90 and in a wheelchair. We have had to put her in a nursing home. That caused me to miss a month's worth of football. On a happier note we always spend August in France with my wife's French family also like to take winter vacations.Life does not revolve aroud football. We go whenever we can!

From the way you write you seem to be very young, so there is no reason why you should understand. But you should catch your breath for a second and listen to yourself. You have told us you would probably walk away if it was s/t renewal time now and you have boasted about the valiant boycotting being conduted by the rest of your family. Yet you then hector people about loyalty and judge them because they have only been to ten games?

Don't let the here-today-gone-tomorrow ups and downs of a football team turn you sour and bitter. There's plenty of time for that when you're old and grey and have tasted real loss and disappointment in your life...

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Feb 27, 2017 8:54:58 GMT jeddez said:

Feb 27, 2017 8:15:52 GMT @jane said:

I don't think we are disagreeing really, we stopped him in the summer going to the premier......

I've no issue with them selling Lookman, made perfect sense I was simply pointing out he needed to be sold to balance the books which you agree? So why KM promised a few weeks earlier he wouldn't be sold god only knows.

We have to live within our means unless we want a transfer embargo etc.

And for all those who say the loans/Quasi equity don't matter then remember if we are paying out £1.5m in interest that has a direct effect on what we are able to spend on transfers and wages.

The intention wasn't to sell lookman, certainly not for 7m but when somebody is prepared to pay a ridiculous sum which I can only assume came in unexpectedly after KM made that statement, we had no choice really.

The interest doesn't affect the transfers and wages really but it does affect the selling price, which is up to RD what he wants in the end... He may decide to write off some of the interest when he sells to get a fair price but if he doesn't add the interest from the beginning then he won't be able to guard the level of loss he is prepared to accept, unless of course we get to the Prem and it means nothing for the value of the club would be excessive!

Hope that's made sense...

Yes perfectly, as I say I don't think we were really disagreeing. Only a fool would not have sold Lookman for £11m (although I think the upfront and therefore what applies to this season as income is considerably less). I was merely saying that the club had to get circa £4m more income this season to stay within the rules.

the wage bill is restricted to a % of income, I may well be wrong but I had it on good authority from within the club that debt payment on the balance sheet is applicable to the net income calculation, same as loans don't apply to income only inserting equity does. Agree though that otherwise it only effects the selling price.

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Feb 27, 2017 9:01:51 GMT @incorruptibleaddick said:

Jane,

as you have blocked my private message to you, I shall say it publicly.

My step-father died at the beginning of October. He was also my mother's carer - she's 90 and in a wheelchair. We have had to put her in a nursing home. That caused me to miss a month's worth of football. On a happier note we always spend August in France with my wife's French family also like to take winter vacations.Life does not revolve aroud football. We go whenever we can!

From the way you write you seem to be very young, so there is no reason why you should understand. But you should catch your breath for a second and listen to yourself. You have told us you would probably walk away if it was s/t renewal time now and you have boasted about the valiant boycotting being conduted by the rest of your family. Yet you then hector people about loyalty and judge them because they have only been to ten games?

Don't let the here-today-gone-tomorrow ups and downs of a football team turn you sour and bitter. There's plenty of time for that when you're old and grey and have tasted real loss and disappointment in your life...

I don't know how that happened, but have taken off the block so feel free to PM me.

I'm sorry for your loss and that's understandable, much more important things in life than football.

I just found your insistence that somehow as I don't agree with a lot of the past three years nor agree that the future looks rosey makes me a lesser supporter, far from it.

And so what if I don't renew (didn't say I'd never go just that I may not renew my season ticket), if I only go to 10 games next season as I don't like what's on offer does that make me any less a supporter than you or that chap Seb who hasn't missed a game in something like 850 games? More than anything I'm tired of being asked to get behind the next manager who comes along (but for how long) or to get behind the team who I barely recognise as it changes so frequently, I believe we've had something like 100+ players in the last 3.5 years including loans.

1,000's no longer go as can be seen by the empty seats, some (although I don't necessarily think is the majority of those not attending) from a protest perspective the rest as they've simply had enough of the poor management and rubbish football for 90 minutes each game.

I think we need to accept that people not going, people protesting or people who don't miss a game are no less Charlton supporters than any other.

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Massive week a head, I know this won't be popular on here, but if we don't get a couple of positive results on the road and the protest annoys Roly as per normal then I can see Roly booting out KR, no matter what KM says. She has said things about managers in the past having a long term future with us a day or so before Roly got trigger happy.

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Feb 27, 2017 9:18:54 GMT @cfgs said:

Massive week a head, I know this won't be popular on here, but if we don't get a couple of positive results on the road and the protest annoys Roly as per normal then I can see Roly booting out KR, no matter what KM says. She has said things about managers in the past having a long term future with us a day or so before Roly got trigger happy.

God lets hope not, if he did sack him (IA look away now!) then I really can't see me renewing my ticket next year.

I think you are probably right that it's RD who waves the axe and not KM. 6 points from Shrewsbury and Northampton and we'll all be fine - I can but dream! (I'd settle for 4, ideally 3 at Northampton as I'll be there!)

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Feb 27, 2017 9:21:36 GMT @jane said:

Feb 27, 2017 9:18:54 GMT @cfgs said:

Massive week a head, I know this won't be popular on here, but if we don't get a couple of positive results on the road and the protest annoys Roly as per normal then I can see Roly booting out KR, no matter what KM says. She has said things about managers in the past having a long term future with us a day or so before Roly got trigger happy.

God lets hope not, if he did sack him (IA look away now!) then I really can't see me renewing my ticket next year.

I think you are probably right that it's RD who waves the axe and not KM. 6 points from Shrewsbury and Northampton and we'll all be fine - I can but dream! (I'd settle for 4, ideally 3 at Northampton as I'll be there!)

I think we all need at least three to make us all relax, if this league wasn't so poor we would be in trouble. We haven't picked up three points since Bolton but have hardly drifted in the table.

[reamsofverse]

Jane/IA, with respect could you take your conversation somewhere else please because it is clogging up a Karl Robinson 100% thread, a title that doesn't have anything to do with your conversation.

[coloradocafc]

Feb 27, 2017 0:32:48 GMT The Flying Monk said:

Just been reading Aneke's Wikipedia bio. It actually says he scored a 'thunderbastard' of a goal against Peterborough this year.

Thunderbastard.

I had planned to make my oldest son's middle name Thunderbastard. I wish I had gotten the paperwork through before his mother's pain medication wore off.