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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:11:54 GMT
I hope he's not sacked, as that helps no one least of all Charlton. But you can sort of see it coming, Roland has sacked every other manager after a run of poor results like this so why will he change this time, he didn't with Peters, Luzon or Slade and even Freye...... I don't think Slade was sacked just because of his birthday being spoiled but the protestors have a lot of contacts who are very close to Roland and it's widely known that the protests are getting to him and he was very annoyed at people turning up outside the window where he was eating so it was probably the straw that broke the Camels back. He's just as likely to be sacked in a couple of weeks time if results don't improve regardless of the protests but that could again be the straw that broke...... I hope that either the results dramatically improve and therefore he sticks with Robinson OR he has changed his ways and will give a manager time, as yet I'm not confident on the second point...... Reading all the crap the Belgian bozos have written, many of they appear to have accepted that their demo will not persuade M Duchatalet to sell the club and their ambition now seems to be to provoke him into sacking Karl Robinson. That's pathetic. But perhaps unexpected as CARD has publicly declared that its ambition is to "make the club ungovernable". Presumably provoking the owner to bring in our third manager of the season would be seen by CARD as an important victory as another step towards making the club "ungovernable"?
I don't think CARD or anyone else (i.e. supporters) are directly responsible for the sacking of any of our managers, clearly only one person is. There weren't any protestors when Powell was sacked, Riga non renewed or Peeters sacked, can't remember if CARD had formed by Luzon's sacking but was probably around that time. But it was widely spoken in Belgium that it's quite possible that it was the final straw for Slade but his days were numbered long before Rolands birthday.
I think the Belgium trip has been discussed for some while, long before Robinsons poor run, might even have been before his first game in charge so I don't think you can say it's being arranged to get Robinson fired. That said if the protest results directly in getting Robinson sacked it probably says as much about Roland Duchatelet as it does about 250 protestors going to Belgium.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:20:46 GMT
What are you "wittering on about" Jane (sory, but I borrowed that phrase from you).
One of the organisers is claiming the last Belgian 20 protest forced the owner into a "knee jerk reaction" in sacking Slade.
But why do you put words in people's mouths? "I don't think you can say it's being arranged to get Robinson fired," you say. Except, of course, nobody said that. As you darned well know.
But- and this is a fact - one of the Belgian 20 organisers is boasting that they they can get another "knee-jerk" out of the owner and are predicting if Charlton don't win at Northampton, they can provoke M Duchatalet into "sacking Robinson by Monday morning".
I think it's deluded nonsense by a bunch of idiots puffed-up with an inflated sense of their (non-existent) "power". Glad you seem to be agreeing with me about that, at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:33:52 GMT
lol, if nothing else you do make me laugh IA.
So one of the Belgium 20 is saying that, maybe they are right maybe they are wrong, who knows, who cares. You think they are deluded idiots so don't worry about it, I don't understand if that's what you think why you bother spending any energy on it. If they are right then Robinson could be out in 8 days, if they aren't he won't be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:41:01 GMT
And there in a nutshell is the problem. We are talking about a man's job here and the stability of the club. But you are your mutinous mates don't really care (whatever crocoidle tears you pretned to shed to the contrary) because CARD's stated objective is "to make the club ungovernable" and therefore you do not want the club to thrive and prosper under its current ownership and management. It's that statement which is why the majority of fans have had enough of CARD. Even the recent run of poor results are not swinging supporters back. They just want an end to the bickering and abuse and the pointless civil war. The five point peace plan will be launched next week to coincide with you and your destructive chums making clowns of yourself in Belgium. Let's see which initiative gets more support, shall we?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:47:31 GMT
Stop twisting IA, as you well know my 'who cares' as anyone can see is around the Belgium 20 bloke YOU are quoting saying he can get Robinson sacked, and 'who cares' what some Belgium 20 bloke says. You should be a spin doctor for the government or trump the way you twist things.
And suggest you get some of your facts right, I am not a clown, I am not going to Belgium and they are not my chums (destructive or otherwise), I will in fact be in Northampton, will you? Have you been to every home game this season supporting the team? Have you been to 5 away games this season? I don't know, but suspect not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 19:59:29 GMT
You'e not even going to Belgium? A fairweather protestor.
You said you don't care and why should you? The objective of you and your chums is to "make the club ungovernable" . It's there in black and white on the CARD site.
Well sorry, but we had a room full of people yesterday who are 100 per cent determined that we shall not let that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:10:12 GMT
You'e not even going to Belgium? A fairweather protestor. You said you don't care and why should you? The objective of you and your chums is to "make the club ungovernable" . It's there in black and white on the CARD site. Well sorry, but we had a room full of people yesterday who are 100 per cent determined that we shall not let that happen.
You going to all the games IA, or are you a fairweather supporter? And who decided I was a protestor anyway?
Oh, and you seem to have inadvertently forgotten to answer my questions which clearly must be an oversight as you don't like people not answering questions do you;
i) will you be at Northampton? ii) Have you been to every home game this season supporting the team? iii) Have you been to 5 away games this season?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:16:28 GMT
Shit no, don't go to away games to be treated like scum, unless we get lounge access. But the family goes to every home game we possibly can, unlike your family ("my dad now goes to either Dartford or Ebbsfleet, my two brothers don't go anymore" ...) The fourth generation (five years old) will be introduced before the end of the season. Why? Because my family is different in three respcts from yours :- (i) we care. (ii) We don't boycott. (iii) we are not trying "to make the club ungovernable".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:24:30 GMT
Shit no, don't go to away games and get treated like scum. But the entire family goes to every home game we possibly can, unlike your family ("my dad now goes to either Dartford or Ebbsfleet, my two brothers don't go anymore" ...) Why? Because we care. We don't boycott. And we are not trying to "make the club ungovernable". Going to answer the questions properly then IA ,for all I know 'every game we possibly can' could be once every 10 years.
i) will you be at Northampton?
You confirmed you don't go away, so that's half the games that are played you don't go along and support, fair weather supporter? Unbelieveable, Northampton will be my 5th, I'm hoping to make it 8 this season. Not once have I been treated like scum, far from it, in many ways apart from the distance better than home games.
ii) Have you been to every home game this season supporting the team?
I'm guessing thats a no but maybe let me know how many you've managed........ 1 or 2, what about last year?
iii) Have you been to 5 away games this season
See i) above, fair weather, doesn't go away (or many home it seems)
So having a go at me for not going to Belgium (why would I?!), supposedly not supporting and being a protestor and you're an arm chair fan! You couldn't make it up.......
When you start actually going on a regular basis home and away I may just have some respect for anything you think, in the meantime excuse me if I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:43:30 GMT
It's a woman's prerogative to move the goalposts with every kick, eh?
We go to every game we can. That's somewhere north of 1000, as it happens. I;ve got a programme for every one and am putting them on e-bay for sale if you are interested. They cover more thasn 50 different grounds,, because before I became a doddery old grandad, we went to every away game for many years, too.
We don't boycott like your family. You should have a word with your dad. And your brothers. . Unlike them, we support our club.
It's a real shame you aren't going to Belgium. It is your chance to "tell Roland we mean business" according to your chums in WAR.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:44:49 GMT
You seem to have changed your post IA ;-)
So I've been to every home game, hopefully 8 away as well this season, oh and I've also been to see the ladies team 5 times, but you care and I don't right? Whatever......
i) we care.
Not enough to attend regularly it seems
(ii) We don't boycott.
Seems I've been to a lot more games than you, you can only boycott if you were previously going so couldn'tapply to you could it ;-)
(iii) we are not trying "to make the club ungovernable"
Neither am I, we agree on something!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:53:44 GMT
It's a woman's prerogative to move the goalposts with every kick, eh? We go to every game we can. That's somewhere north of 1000, as it happens. I;ve got a programme for every one and am putting them on e-bay for sale if you are interested. They cover more thasn 50 different grounds,, because before I became a doddery old grandad, we went to every away game for many years, too. We don't boycott like your family. You should have a word with your dad. And your brothers. . Unlike them, we support our club. It's a real shame you aren't going to Belgium. It is your chance to "tell Roland we mean business" according to your chums in WAR.
Whats me being a woman got to do with anything, and just because there is a protest group set up by women must mean I'm a part of it and they are my chums heh? How sad.
North of 1,000, is that all, for someone your age.......... for many years the 5 of my family went to probably 40+ games a season (my brothers didn't miss a game, home or away, for 6 seasons, my dad didn't miss all that many prior to this season in probably the last 15 years) so the three of them have been to more than 1,500 easily, probably 2,000 all in the last 20 years.
But anyway, what family has to do with it I don't know, I can see you aren't going to answer how many games you've been to this season or in the past few seasons........ wonder why.
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Post by The Flying Monk on Feb 26, 2017 20:55:53 GMT
A great result for the ladies today, including a hat-trick from the formidable Kit Graham.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 20:58:06 GMT
A great result for the ladies today, including a hat-trick from the formidable Kit Graham.
Top of the league although they have played more games than those below them, anyone who hasn't should go and watch them (Season ticket holders get in free IA), a really good standard of players, they never fail to get their corners over the first defender!
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Post by The Flying Monk on Feb 26, 2017 21:06:44 GMT
A great result for the ladies today, including a hat-trick from the formidable Kit Graham.
they never fail to get their corners over the first defender!
Only because the ladies keep moving the goalposts, eh?
Fingers crossed for the semi-final, against Blackburn. It will be tough, but today's result will give the girls plenty of momentum.
COYA!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:07:52 GMT
Go and tell your dad and your brothers, jane, whom you told us refuse to go anywhre near the Valley. Unlike your family, we support our club and go to every match we can.
We didn't boycott in the 80s and went to every single match at Selhurst and West Ham. And we don't boycott now and go to every game we can. North of 1000 games averages out at 20 a season, I'd guess, and this season will be close to that as we're now in double figures with 13 games still to go...
"Who cares". That's what you wrote, however much you now try to nuance the words out of existence!
Good luck to Women Against Roland. You are going to need it because whatever Mr Monk tells you, we were told yesterday that he isn't selling while we are stuck in this division. So perhaps the 'Roland out' lot had better change their boring tune!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
I've answered your point on 'don't care' IA which you had twisted of course, go back and read that as it referenced your post originally.......
What my dad and brothers chose to do is up to them, I'll get them to sign up on here then you can discuss directly with them. They are individuals, as I am, and we make our own decisions as to what we do or don't do.
Still waiting a clear answer to my question though, odd for someone who gets very uppity if someone doesn't answer one of theirs........ So 'WE'RE now in double figures' But how many games have YOU been to this season and the 3 prior? Not your family or the bloke next door, You, IncorruptibleAddick and not including 13 games to go (Surely thats wrong anyway as you don't go away do you?)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 22:07:26 GMT
There didn't seem to be too much wrong with the 'Culture' while Nugent was in charge for those few games. True...but then Robinson also had a run of 7 points from 3 games. Just because Nugent did the same, doesn't mean to say that run would have continued over a longer term. I agree, it doesn't guarantee anything but what was going right for Nugent and indeed for that run with Robinson, which is not happening now? That was the point I was trying to make. I would like to see Robinson given the chance with 'His' players next Season but other than Tony Watt coming back, what has changed to turn the team into allegedly sulking losers that need a culture change?
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Post by 19addickted96 on Feb 26, 2017 22:20:07 GMT
Why should he? What has Powell got to do with it? Powell remained the manager because of his links as a charlton legend , Robinson is just another lackey with more excuses! As others have said, we are quite likely to be sucked into a relegation scrap, so summer could even be abouttrying to return to league one! You do know Powell was once with Palace if he a legend then I take it Pardew must be as well Robinson don't need excuses he knows what he wants and has the backing from RD hence the big offers made for three players in Jan You can't be serious right... Just because they played for the same clubs that automatically puts them on a level podium? I'm guessing mike Flanagan is less of a legend because of his links with CPFC? So jimmy Seed can't be classed as a legend because of his ties with millwall? Johnny summers for that matter too? Pipe down BB, get over your personal agenda with Powell and admit that the majority of Charlton fans think he's a legend!
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Post by pulled off at half time on Feb 26, 2017 22:22:01 GMT
Think the problem lies with a few players know they won't be here next season and the team also know the goal of the playoffs has gone , the Wimbledon game was the real blow , team looked flat since then .
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Post by ExeterAddick on Feb 26, 2017 22:42:31 GMT
If Roland really is as shrewd, calm and analytical and Richard Murray portrayed him in yesterday's meeting, he would never let a small group of protesters in Belgium disrupt his plans.
Should he decide to sack Robinson (which I think is a real possibility if we lose our next two or three games), the Belgium trip shouldn't distract from what would be yet another panicked, knee-jerk decision.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 26, 2017 23:00:15 GMT
You do know Powell was once with Palace if he a legend then I take it Pardew must be as well Robinson don't need excuses he knows what he wants and has the backing from RD hence the big offers made for three players in Jan You can't be serious right... Just because they played for the same clubs that automatically puts them on a level podium? I'm guessing mike Flanagan is less of a legend because of his links with CPFC? So jimmy Seed can't be classed as a legend because of his ties with millwall? Johnny summers for that matter too? Pipe down BB, get over your personal agenda with Powell and admit that the majority of Charlton fans think he's a legend! Not sure what your point is sammy, he's had one good season as a manager so not sure where the halo comes from? Mendonca and Kinsella were legends, Powell was a good player but a legend? Not for me, nowhere near and evidence that it is an over used expression.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 26, 2017 23:02:30 GMT
Robinson is going absolutely nowhere mate and rightly so we need stability, not having that is one of the reasons players are reluctant to join us. A player could be in the side one minute and frozen out under a new manager the next, take Ulvestad for example.
If we lose Robinson then we lose Reeves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 23:07:54 GMT
Can't believe some on here will not give the guy a chance to build his team hes had one over inflated price January window .
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Post by The Flying Monk on Feb 26, 2017 23:11:58 GMT
Think the problem lies with a few players know they won't be here next season and the team also know the goal of the playoffs has gone , the Wimbledon game was the real blow , team looked flat since then . It's look as though the vast majority of the players are demotivated and disinterested. But why? We have pretty much the same squad that pulled off a wonderful win away at Bolton not so long ago, so where on God's earth has that winning mentality gone to?
Surely Robinson's style of management has caused this alarming downturn in fortunes. He took a squad that had a decent chance of the play-offs and turned it into the dross we say yesterday. I really wanted (or still want) Robinson to be a success; unfortunately, though, I can't see it happening at Charlton.
I never thought I'd say it, but I really do believe it was a mistake getting rid of Slade. His style of football was undoubtedly dull, yet we may just have had something to cling on to for the rest of this campaign. I very much doubt Slade would have guided us to a promotion, but it's always nice to have that dream beyond February.
Instead we now have a season that is effectively dead in the water - unless we find ourselves fighting a relegation battle...
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 26, 2017 23:12:40 GMT
Couldn't care less mate, they are all Powell apologists the same Powell they continued to support when he won just two of his last 19 games.
Wish they would just go and post somewhere else to be honest and officially make this a 100% Pro-Charlton forum only because the negativity is boring me to tears, those 6 or 7 year old Bexley speaks about on the flyer thread post on here I think!
Looking forward to their feedback from the outskirts of St. Trond where nobody will see them...those that go anyway!!
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 26, 2017 23:16:58 GMT
Think the problem lies with a few players know they won't be here next season and the team also know the goal of the playoffs has gone , the Wimbledon game was the real blow , team looked flat since then . It's look as though the vast majority of the players are demotivated and disinterested. But why? We have pretty much the same squad that pulled off a wonderful win away at Bolton not so long ago, so where on God's earth has that winning mentality gone to?
Surely Robinson's style of management has caused this alarming downturn in fortunes. He took a squad that had a decent chance of the play-offs and turned it into the dross we say yesterday. I really wanted (or still want) for Robinson to be a success; unfortunately, though, I can't see it happening at Charlton.
I never thought I'd say it, but I really do believe it was a mistake getting rid of Slade. His style of football was undoubtedly dull, yet we may just have had something to cling on to for the rest of this campaign. I very much doubt Slade would have guided us to a promotion, but it's always nice to have that dream beyond February.
Instead we now have a season that is effectively dead in the water - unless we find ourselves fighting a relegation battle...
A desperately delusional post! Sure you do it for attention sometimes, Slade is doing a sterling job at Coventry isn't he...Not!! Tell you what mate, have a look at a typical Slade player and the incredible work rate he gets out of them!! I introduce you to the workaholic Yakubu playing for Coventry yesterday? No wonder Slade has never won a promotion, he's standing there 10 yards away arms folded saying nothing to the player who looks like he's wandered onto a football pitch and got lost!!
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Post by The Flying Monk on Feb 26, 2017 23:27:31 GMT
It's look as though the vast majority of the players are demotivated and disinterested. But why? We have pretty much the same squad that pulled off a wonderful win away at Bolton not so long ago, so where on God's earth has that winning mentality gone to?
Surely Robinson's style of management has caused this alarming downturn in fortunes. He took a squad that had a decent chance of the play-offs and turned it into the dross we say yesterday. I really wanted (or still want) for Robinson to be a success; unfortunately, though, I can't see it happening at Charlton.
I never thought I'd say it, but I really do believe it was a mistake getting rid of Slade. His style of football was undoubtedly dull, yet we may just have had something to cling on to for the rest of this campaign. I very much doubt Slade would have guided us to a promotion, but it's always nice to have that dream beyond February.
Instead we now have a season that is effectively dead in the water - unless we find ourselves fighting a relegation battle...
A desperately delusional post! Sure you do it for attention sometimes, Slade is doing a sterling job at Coventry isn't he...Not!! do you Tell you what mate, have a look at a typical Slade player and the incredible work rate he gets out of them!! I introduce you to the workaholic Yakubu playing for Coventry yesterday? No wonder Slade has never won a promotion, he's standing there 10 yards away arms folded saying nothing to his player !! Where is the delusion in my previous post?
In terms of league position, we are heading south.
The spirit shown at Bolton is nowhere to be seen now.
I said I doubted Slade would get us promoted, but we may have had something to cling to beyond February.
This season is dead in the water.
No delusion, just a point of view that runs contrary to your own.
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Post by reamsofverse on Feb 26, 2017 23:34:23 GMT
The season is dead in the water so what shall we do stick with the club and look forward to the summer when as Katriene said yesterday, our business will be done early or just slump our shoulders and find something else to moan about and slag the manager off with.
It's so simple from where I'm standing. Those that don't like it can walk away whenever they like, nobody is holding a gun to their heads.
Those that still have hope will stick with the club and look forward to better things next season . We are talking about Reeves, Anneke and other quality players this summer not Foley, Novak and Ajose.
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Post by The Flying Monk on Feb 26, 2017 23:47:56 GMT
The season is dead in the water so what shall we do stick with the club and look forward to the summer when as Katriene said yesterday, our business will be done early or just slump our shoulders and find something else to moan about and slag the manager off with. It's so simple from where I'm standing. Those that don't like it can walk away whenever they like, nobody is holding a gun to their heads. Those that still have hope will stick with the club and look forward to better thin gs next season . We are talking about Reeves, Anneke and other quality players this summer not Foley, Novak and Ajose. I admire your optimism, I really do.
Perhaps Ajose will return in the summer and be rejuvenated after his spell away. He is scoring goals for a poor Swindon side, so there must be a half decent player in there somewhere.
The signings of Foley and Novak were ratified by someone within the club. Whoever that person is needs to take a step back from recruitment.
Out of genuine interest, what makes you believe the business will be done in a more effective manner this summer? Do you think Robinson will have a more hands-on approach with regard to transfers and budget?
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