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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 1, 2016 21:19:07 GMT
As usual the over reaction and stupid comments have coming flooding out ... but the truth about today is pretty simple , we saw a much better performance from the team the first 20 mins we played ok and then we lost our way a little but second half you can't fault the effort of the boys to get back into the game. You can't lay the whole defeat at Slade door think he has to look at his starting line up, playing Jackson as number 10 was a mistake ( like Pritchard all over again who was that manager ) but you can't blame him for Holmes failure to tackle the player and allowed him to cross ,, and the miss pen,major moment in the game as I think if we had got back to 1-1 we would have gone on to win , As Rochdale who came into the game after good wins at Millwall and Bolton , to be honest were hardly in the game .
Having said all that we should have had another clear pen with a deffo hand ball would have been interesting with Jackson would have taken it .
Sorry but the fans let themselves down today following there reaction to Holmes going off ,, Holmes had not trained at all since Tuesday and on Friday was ruled out of the game completely so to complete 80 mins was excellent so looks like the fans don't know what there talking about .
At the moment it seems every mistake or poor decision ends up in our goal , but there still a long way to go and lots of time to get going up the table, but Russell needs to make strong decisions and that is saying thanks Jacko but your times up and give Pearce the armband , again Slade just one of many managers who have tired to fit Jackson into the team just because he is captain that can't happen anymore
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 21:28:08 GMT
From the moment Rochdale scored our confidence drained away and the first half ended very poorly.
Second half we huffed and puffed, created some chances and some corners. The penalty saved was a real blow. I feel momentum would have turned our way had we equalised at that moment.
After four home games without a win the Covered End have now turned on the players and Slade. A few minutes of "Valley Floyd Road" at the beginning of the match is all the support the players on the pitch will now get. Everything else is booing, barracking and venom.
Under those conditions I challenge any team to win at home. But those conditions don't occur at most Clubs, where home fans support their team for 90+ minutes rather than just the first quarter of an hour.
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Post by Mundell on Oct 1, 2016 21:40:41 GMT
We have better players than Rochdale, and than Oldham and Wimbledon too for that matter, and ought to be doing a lot better. It's clear that something is badly wrong with the blend and balance of the side. Right now, Slade is underperforming. However, I do have some sympathy with your comments bexleyboy The margins between success and failure are often very fine indeed and yet the majority of fans live in a black and white world. We played well if we won and must be crap if we lost. Players and managers are either heroes or villains. There is no middle ground. I also felt it was crass when the substitution of Holmes was booed. It was ignorant and unhelpful. It's the way it's always been though and the best bet is probably to ignore it. That said, my key concern as I left the ground today was not simply that we'd lost a one-off game, though I was very disappointed, but that the atmosphere at the Valley is now likely to turn increasingly toxic. My guess is that our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2016 22:20:06 GMT
the Covered End have now turned on the players and Slade. A few minutes of "Valley Floyd Road" at the beginning of the match is all the support the players on the pitch will now get. Everything else is booing, barracking and venom. Under those conditions I challenge any team to win at home. Spot on, I'm afraid. As is mundell when he says "our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon." Sadly, the CARD protestors are determined to hand an even greater 'away advantage' to the opposition. Spoke to two CARD supporters at the end and they could not deny their pleasure at the defeat because they reckoned it was going to give "real impetus" to the resumption of full-on-protests at the next home match. We really do not need such treacherous fifth columnists. Together We Are Charlton. Those who don't want to be part of that togetherness should do the rest of us a favour and spend their Sat afternoons at Millwall, Ebbsfleet or shopping at Bluewater.
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Post by Mundell on Oct 1, 2016 22:56:44 GMT
the Covered End have now turned on the players and Slade. A few minutes of "Valley Floyd Road" at the beginning of the match is all the support the players on the pitch will now get. Everything else is booing, barracking and venom. Under those conditions I challenge any team to win at home. Spot on, I'm afraid. As is mundell when he says "our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon." Sadly, the CARD protestors are determined to hand an even greater 'away advantage' to the opposition. Spoke to two CARD supporters at the end and they could not deny their pleasure at the defeat because they reckoned it was going to give "real impetus" to the resumption of full-on-protests at the next home match. We really do not need such treacherous fifth columnists. Together We Are Charlton. Those who don't want to be part of that togetherness should do the rest of us a favour and spend their Sat afternoons at Millwall, Ebbsfleet or shopping at Bluewater. Did those CARD supporters have any idea what a 'resumption of full-on-protests' was likely to achieve? Or were they incapable of thinking that far ahead? At the risk of appearing sycophantic, I've noted previously on this forum that I believe you made a very insightful remark a few months back when you said that CARD made a critical error when they chose to be AGAINST something, rather than finding something to be FOR. I recall you used CND's campaign name as an example of a much more intelligent choice. The result is that CARD, led by their head of propaganda, have put themselves in a position where dialogue is impossible and where there is simply nothing the club can do which will satisfy them. They will, therefore, continue to attack the club, whatever it does, causing it further damage, until Duchatelet eventually moves on. The unthinking justification for this obvious self-harm is that the owner is 'destroying' the club and must be stopped at all costs. It's hard to believe, and in many ways rather alarming, that so many people can be duped into holding such an irrational and damaging world view. Duchatelet has made mistakes, but it makes no sense for him whatsoever to destroy the club and right now most of the damage is being inflicted by CARD's ongoing attack. If this continues we will indeed end up in League Two, or perhaps even the National League, playing infront of crowds of 3,000 or less. That will be quite some achievement and at that point Duchatelet may well try to sell. Unfortunately though nobody is going to be interested in buying a club that's been destroyed by its own fans. What was that about preserving the club for future generations?
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Post by The Flying Monk on Oct 2, 2016 0:06:55 GMT
Spot on, I'm afraid. As is mundell when he says "our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon." Sadly, the CARD protestors are determined to hand an even greater 'away advantage' to the opposition. Spoke to two CARD supporters at the end and they could not deny their pleasure at the defeat because they reckoned it was going to give "real impetus" to the resumption of full-on-protests at the next home match. We really do not need such treacherous fifth columnists. Together We Are Charlton. Those who don't want to be part of that togetherness should do the rest of us a favour and spend their Sat afternoons at Millwall, Ebbsfleet or shopping at Bluewater. Did those CARD supporters have any idea what a 'resumption of full-on-protests' was likely to achieve? Or were they incapable of thinking that far ahead? At the risk of appearing sycophantic, I've noted previously on this forum that I believe you made a very insightful remark a few months back when you said that CARD made a critical error when they chose to be AGAINST something, rather than finding something to be FOR. I recall you used CND's campaign name as an example of a much more intelligent choice. The result is that CARD, led by their head of propaganda, have put themselves in a position where dialogue is impossible and where there is simply nothing the club can do which will satisfy them. They will, therefore, continue to attack the club, whatever it does, causing it further damage, until Duchatelet eventually moves on. The unthinking justification for this obvious self-harm is that the owner is 'destroying' the club and must be stopped at all costs. It's hard to believe, and in many ways rather alarming, that so many people can be duped into holding such an irrational and damaging world view. Duchatelet has made mistakes, but it makes no sense for him whatsoever to destroy the club and right now most of the damage is being inflicted by CARD's ongoing attack. If this continues we will indeed end up in League Two, or perhaps even the National League, playing infront of crowds of 3,000 or less. That will be quite some achievement and at that point Duchatelet may well try to sell. Unfortunately though nobody is going to be interested in buying a club that's been destroyed by its own fans. What was that about preserving the club for future generations? It beggars belief that you think CARD and the club's supporters will be to blame if we sink any lower. Surely you jest?
The current regime is the sole reason we are in such a dire place. Poor managers and poor players have led to our slide down the pyramid, resulting in lower attendances and a toxic atmosphere. The fans' anger is rightly aimed at RD and KM, who are simply not fit to run a football club. Let's face it, any old sod with money can pay for a new pitch and training facilities, but it takes real football people to achieve success on the pitch - the place where it really matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 3:19:30 GMT
Everybody could see we needed two decent centre midfielders in the summer other than Slade and the 20 year old scout.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 5:26:10 GMT
After a quarter of the season (plus pre season) we have achieved a rhythm that, if we keep it up, will send us into league 2. We have a midfield that we could see back at the end of july, was too old, filled with similar types of players, and lacked creativity. Yet lo and behold, we arrive in october within touching distance of the relegationzone, and it's all the fault of CARD. PL54 told me yesterday (and incorruptible also said) that the atmousphere against Oldham was good. Yet we were awfull, and lucky to scrape a point. We carry on where we left off and go one down againt Rochdale at home, the crowd are riled and that is CARD? If it wasn't our club it would be funny. We badly need Slade to work out, but blaming CARD for his obstinate refusal to change a failing strategy is daft. We are in trouble here. But as the fans aren't in a position to buyout our absentee owner, neither can they build a team or persuade the manager to play to the players strengths, or even grow a pair and play attacking football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 6:50:06 GMT
Everybody could see we needed two decent centre midfielders in the summer other than Slade and the 20 year old scout. Thomas Driesen, the man who proves you do not need scouts and waste time and money travelling to football matches. Hell no, just get behind a laptop and look at a few matches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 6:53:08 GMT
After a quarter of the season (plus pre season) we have achieved a rhythm that, if we keep it up, will send us into league 2. We have a midfield that we could see back at the end of july, was too old, filled with similar types of players, and lacked creativity. Yet lo and behold, we arrive in october within touching distance of the relegationzone, and it's all the fault of CARD. PL54 told me yesterday (and incorruptible also said) that the atmousphere against Oldham was good. Yet we were awfull, and lucky to scrape a point. We carry on where we left off and go one down againt Rochdale at home, the crowd are riled and that is CARD? If it wasn't our club it would be funny. We badly need Slade to work out, but blaming CARD for his obstinate refusal to change a failing strategy is daft. We are in trouble here. But as the fans aren't in a position to buyout our absentee owner, neither can they build a team or persuade the manager to play to the players strengths, or even grow a pair and play attacking football. "If it wasn't our club it would be funny". You have hit the nail on the head with this comment. I am buggered if people would be making excuses if all our s*** going on at the moment was happening elsewhere.
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 2, 2016 7:00:38 GMT
After a quarter of the season (plus pre season) we have achieved a rhythm that, if we keep it up, will send us into league 2. We have a midfield that we could see back at the end of july, was too old, filled with similar types of players, and lacked creativity. Yet lo and behold, we arrive in october within touching distance of the relegationzone, and it's all the fault of CARD. PL54 told me yesterday (and incorruptible also said) that the atmousphere against Oldham was good. Yet we were awfull, and lucky to scrape a point. We carry on where we left off and go one down againt Rochdale at home, the crowd are riled and that is CARD? If it wasn't our club it would be funny. We badly need Slade to work out, but blaming CARD for his obstinate refusal to change a failing strategy is daft. We are in trouble here. But as the fans aren't in a position to buyout our absentee owner, neither can they build a team or persuade the manager to play to the players strengths, or even grow a pair and play attacking football. Let's be real , that's league 4 !!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 7:28:17 GMT
Relegation to League Two (the fourth division) will be inevitable if Charlton fans will not support their own team.
Evey time they play at the Valley from now on the Covered End will give the players ten minutes (perhaps fifteen) to do something positive. Ten to fifteen minutes of singing about what loyal fans they are, to ease their consciences.
If the team is not 1-0 up by then or at the very least dominating the game, the fans in the North stand will begin to turn on them.
A football match cannot be won in 10-15 minutes. If that is now the limit of the patience of the Covered End fans, they have already condemned Charlton Athletic to League Two.
I am not saying that booing, barracking supporters are causing the problems we have on the pitch. But as soon as those problems threaten to take a match away from us, the booing and barracking makes the situation a whole lot worse.
A bad spell in a game which the players might be able to recover from becomes a downward spiral of fear of mistakes, trying to play safe instead of being hungry to attack, wanting to get rid of the ball just to avoid being the next target of the fans' abuse.
I know the East and West stands should contribute more to cheering our team on, and not leave the job so much to the Covered end. Perhaps the Club's policy of making North Stand seats as cheap as chips has made the problem worse. But I thought the Covered End was the heart and soul of the Charlton Supporters at the Valley.
For fuck's sake, support the team will you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 8:50:19 GMT
I don't go much. I live in Spain and my budget prevents it. When I go, I never boo the team or the player. I am generally too thrilled to be there. But you need to understand that football fans tire of dross. We are quarter of the way into the season. Yesterday was a bit of atipping point, but while I agree that it's counter productive, the fans that boo one week are gone for good later on. We are losing fans in droves. The slide continues. Blaming the fans is simply wrong. Last season the rot set in after that Hull win. The fans were firmly with the team- the defeats were a result of what happened on the pich, not on the terraces.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 2, 2016 8:52:10 GMT
As usual the over reaction and stupid comments have coming flooding out ... but the truth about today is pretty simple , we saw a much better performance from the team the first 20 mins we played ok and then we lost our way a little but second half you can't fault the effort of the boys to get back into the game. You can't lay the whole defeat at Slade door think he has to look at his starting line up, playing Jackson as number 10 was a mistake ( like Pritchard all over again who was that manager ) but you can't blame him for Holmes failure to tackle the player and allowed him to cross ,, and the miss pen,major moment in the game as I think if we had got back to 1-1 we would have gone on to win , As Rochdale who came into the game after good wins at Millwall and Bolton , to be honest were hardly in the game . Having said all that we should have had another clear pen with a deffo hand ball would have been interesting with Jackson would have taken it . Sorry but the fans let themselves down today following there reaction to Holmes going off ,, Holmes had not trained at all since Tuesday and on Friday was ruled out of the game completely so to complete 80 mins was excellent so looks like the fans don't know what there talking about . At the moment it seems every mistake or poor decision ends up in our goal , but there still a long way to go and lots of time to get going up the table, but Russell needs to make strong decisions and that is saying thanks Jacko but your times up and give Pearce the armband , again Slade just one of many managers who have tired to fit Jackson into the team just because he is captain that can't happen anymore Asking for stick mate. We are piss poor up front, have some dud strikers who are not going to score goals. Wrong choices by Slade mate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 8:55:16 GMT
Lee Novak has always scored goals at this level comes to Charlton virtually nothing. Says a lot about our setup and our coaching.
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Post by nicholas on Oct 2, 2016 9:15:31 GMT
Spot on, I'm afraid. As is mundell when he says "our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon." Sadly, the CARD protestors are determined to hand an even greater 'away advantage' to the opposition. Spoke to two CARD supporters at the end and they could not deny their pleasure at the defeat because they reckoned it was going to give "real impetus" to the resumption of full-on-protests at the next home match. We really do not need such treacherous fifth columnists. Together We Are Charlton. Those who don't want to be part of that togetherness should do the rest of us a favour and spend their Sat afternoons at Millwall, Ebbsfleet or shopping at Bluewater. Did those CARD supporters have any idea what a 'resumption of full-on-protests' was likely to achieve? Or were they incapable of thinking that far ahead? At the risk of appearing sycophantic, I've noted previously on this forum that I believe you made a very insightful remark a few months back when you said that CARD made a critical error when they chose to be AGAINST something, rather than finding something to be FOR. I recall you used CND's campaign name as an example of a much more intelligent choice. The result is that CARD, led by their head of propaganda, have put themselves in a position where dialogue is impossible and where there is simply nothing the club can do which will satisfy them. They will, therefore, continue to attack the club, whatever it does, causing it further damage, until Duchatelet eventually moves on. The unthinking justification for this obvious self-harm is that the owner is 'destroying' the club and must be stopped at all costs. It's hard to believe, and in many ways rather alarming, that so many people can be duped into holding such an irrational and damaging world view. Duchatelet has made mistakes, but it makes no sense for him whatsoever to destroy the club and right now most of the damage is being inflicted by CARD's ongoing attack. If this continues we will indeed end up in League Two, or perhaps even the National League, playing infront of crowds of 3,000 or less. That will be quite some achievement and at that point Duchatelet may well try to sell. Unfortunately though nobody is going to be interested in buying a club that's been destroyed by its own fans. What was that about preserving the club for future generations? What a load of old shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 9:20:00 GMT
Booing of the players after 10 minutes have been going on long before CARD, but then again what did I expect from posts on this site.
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 2, 2016 12:38:56 GMT
Lee Novak has always scored goals at this level comes to Charlton virtually nothing. Says a lot about our setup and our coaching. What it says is the service to the front men is pretty poor , our crossing is the worst I have seen for many years ,you can't blame the front men , Novak and Ajose scored for fun at this level they don't suddenly become bad players because they joined Charlton , better service from mainly our full backs and Lookman who are the main culprits and our strikers will score
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 13:22:00 GMT
Lee Novak has always scored goals at this level comes to Charlton virtually nothing. Says a lot about our setup and our coaching. What it says is the service to the front men is pretty poor , our crossing is the worst I have seen for many years ,you can't blame the front men , Novak and Ajose scored for fun at this level they don't suddenly become bad players because they joined Charlton , better service from mainly our full backs and Lookman who are the main culprits and our strikers will score A problem that all of us identified, yet Slade has done nothing to fix this problem
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Post by mogodonman on Oct 2, 2016 14:34:14 GMT
the Covered End have now turned on the players and Slade. A few minutes of "Valley Floyd Road" at the beginning of the match is all the support the players on the pitch will now get. Everything else is booing, barracking and venom. Under those conditions I challenge any team to win at home. Spot on, I'm afraid. As is mundell when he says "our opponents already enjoy playing at the Valley more than our own players do and it's hard to see that changing anytime soon." Sadly, the CARD protestors are determined to hand an even greater 'away advantage' to the opposition. Spoke to two CARD supporters at the end and they could not deny their pleasure at the defeat because they reckoned it was going to give "real impetus" to the resumption of full-on-protests at the next home match. We really do not need such treacherous fifth columnists. Together We Are Charlton. Those who don't want to be part of that togetherness should do the rest of us a favour and spend their Sat afternoons at Millwall, Ebbsfleet or shopping at Bluewater. Why do you always claim to have spoken to "one or two" unnamed CARD supporters (odd given how vehement you detest them and throw mud at anyone who dares not to agree with your stance) who always seem to express glee at setbacks? Most of those on both sides of the fence want nothing more than us to do well. The differences relate to what is happening off the field.
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Post by bexleyboy on Oct 2, 2016 14:40:23 GMT
What it says is the service to the front men is pretty poor , our crossing is the worst I have seen for many years ,you can't blame the front men , Novak and Ajose scored for fun at this level they don't suddenly become bad players because they joined Charlton , better service from mainly our full backs and Lookman who are the main culprits and our strikers will score A problem that all of us identified, yet Slade has done nothing to fix this problem He has Holmes and Bakoto but it's the players that where here that's letting him down, you can't blame Slade for them
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 2, 2016 16:06:17 GMT
Lee Novak has always scored goals at this level comes to Charlton virtually nothing. Says a lot about our setup and our coaching. What it says is the service to the front men is pretty poor , our crossing is the worst I have seen for many years ,you can't blame the front men , Novak and Ajose scored for fun at this level they don't suddenly become bad players because they joined Charlton , better service from mainly our full backs and Lookman who are the main culprits and our strikers will score I fail to see how anybody can blame Lookman and by implication Holmes. Those are surrounded by a pedestrian central midfield and misfiring strikers. It was down to the club to bring in more than Ulvestad and it's down to Slade to turn a decent squad into a team that fires on most if not all cylinders. If people want to single out one decision it's that Slade starts with Jackson game after game. Konsa has energy, can tackle etc. So I would play him in a 4-2-3-1 or whatever rather than keep going with players who aren't working. We aren't a million miles from a decent side but we simply have to go in the correct direction during the break. Blaming Lookman is just a wrong turn - simples!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 12:01:10 GMT
I've seen this expression "Full on protests" a good number of times now.
Will it be beach balls or a new song aimed at the windows from the West Stand car park ?
Perhaps laser pens ? Some Korean flags, new badges, more whistles...someone dressed up as a rat ?
KM don't give one shit and RD can't see what you are doing.
Go fuck 'yer selves.
He ain't selling - get behind the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 12:27:59 GMT
From The Sun today in their centre pages football section;
There it is, straight from an opposition striker.
Booing, barracking Charlton fans were indeed the 12th man on Saturday - Rochdale's 12th man.
Congratulations.
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 3, 2016 12:34:15 GMT
Lee Novak has always scored goals at this level comes to Charlton virtually nothing. Says a lot about our setup and our coaching. this has gone on for years at Charlton ,, lack of creativity therefore lack of goals
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 3, 2016 12:46:15 GMT
From The Sun today in their centre pages football section; There it is, straight from an opposition striker. Booing, barracking Charlton fans were indeed the 12th man on Saturday - Rochdale's 12th man. Congratulations. OK, so all this "Together We Are Charlton" noise, do you not think that for some slight reason we may not well be "together" ? he main reason being for the absolute cock up that KM made in Ireland by saying that the "fans" are "customers". That statement in one fell swoop completely ostracized the supporters from the new board, building a wall between "them" and "us" , this only added fuel to the already fraught sensitive situation , we are far from being "Together".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 14:25:39 GMT
From The Sun today in their centre pages football section; There it is, straight from an opposition striker. Booing, barracking Charlton fans were indeed the 12th man on Saturday - Rochdale's 12th man. Congratulations. Can someone post this over on it's a shit life - perhaps between the FC Charlton and SLADE acronyms threads.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 19:07:39 GMT
OK, so all this "Together We Are Charlton" noise, do you not think that for some slight reason we may not well be "together" ? he main reason being for the absolute cock up that KM made in Ireland by saying that the "fans" are "customers". That statement in one fell swoop completely ostracized the supporters from the new board, building a wall between "them" and "us" , this only added fuel to the already fraught sensitive situation , we are far from being "Together". Firstly; 'Together we are Charlton' is a phrase @incorruptibleaddick has recently adopted. Though I might be agreeable to the general sentiment the phrase itself has nothing to do with me and I have never used it. Secondly; Are Charlton fans so sensitive to one word that it drives thousands of them into a permanent frenzy of implacable rage and hatred? Come on. I've been called a lot worse things than a customer, and no doubt will be again. I used to pretend that it bothered me, but then I gave up wanting to be offended. Honestly I couldn't care less about some poorly chosen words. Let's drag our Club to ruin by slaughtering our own players and destroying their confidence at every home match because Katrien Meire called us customers? We are a pretty thin-skinned bunch aren't we. Fans of most other Clubs continue to try and encourage their players when things aren't going well on the pitch. Fans of most other Clubs have skins thicker than a soap bubble. And even if some Charlton fans have no patience left because of the last two seasons and our relegation, they should ask themselves what has any of that got to do with Russell Slade and the players he has picked this season? Jackson, Solly, Fox and Lookman are not RD network players - all of those have been sold, loaned out or are not in the match day squad. Russell Slade had no prior connection to Duchatelet before joining Charlton this summer. Why should our current League One team and manager be held responsible in any way for what happened before 7th May this year? If some Charlton fans want to be treated like grown-ups by the Club, they would do well to stop behaving like spoilt three-year-olds having a screaming tantrum on the supermarket floor.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 3, 2016 20:11:23 GMT
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Post by scabbyhorse on Oct 4, 2016 2:52:56 GMT
My problem is solely with Slade at the moment, the man is a complete knob. I hate the Belgians ( well not literally all, just two) but I think protests should only take place outside the main stand before and after games. BUT my god, Slade and his poxy team selections and tactics are making that very hard to do at present and for me he is one of the worst managers we have had in a long while. Even if we had another couple of decent midfielders I do not think we would be doing any better as he makes Chrissy Powell look like a tactical genius plus at least Powell had likeability as a character.
He talks a load of bollocks too.
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