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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 7:43:49 GMT
The way to change the atmosphere at the Valley is to win matches and play a more adventurous brand of Football. If we carry on drawing and losing matches the pressure will build. It is over to you Russell.
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 4, 2016 8:03:56 GMT
OK, so all this "Together We Are Charlton" noise, do you not think that for some slight reason we may not well be "together" ? he main reason being for the absolute cock up that KM made in Ireland by saying that the "fans" are "customers". That statement in one fell swoop completely ostracized the supporters from the new board, building a wall between "them" and "us" , this only added fuel to the already fraught sensitive situation , we are far from being "Together". 'Together we are Charlton' is a phrase @incorruptibleaddick has recently adopted. Though I might be agreeable to the general sentiment the phrase itself has nothing to do with me and I have never used it. Secondly; Are Charlton fans so sensitive to one word that it drives thousands of them into a permanent frenzy of implacable rage and hatred? Come on. I've been called a lot worse things than a customer, and no doubt will be again. I used to pretend that it bothered me, but then I gave up wanting to be offended. Honestly I couldn't care less about some poorly chosen words. Let's drag our Club to ruin by slaughtering our own players and destroying their confidence at every home match because Katrien Meire called us customers? We are a pretty thin-skinned bunch aren't we. Fans of most other Clubs continue to try and encourage their players when things aren't going well on the pitch. Fans of most other Clubs have skins thicker than a soap bubble. And even if some Charlton fans have no patience left because of the last two seasons and our relegation, they should ask themselves what has any of that got to do with Russell Slade and the players he has picked this season? Jackson, Solly, Fox and Lookman are not RD network players - all of those have been sold, loaned out or are not in the match day squad. Russell Slade had no prior connection to Duchatelet before joining Charlton this summer. Why should our current League One team and manager be held responsible in any way for what happened before 7th May this year? If some Charlton fans want to be treated like grown-ups by the Club, they would do well to stop behaving like spoilt three-year-olds having a screaming tantrum on the supermarket floor. lardi, I'm not digging anyone out, what I am trying to understand is the immature nature of the idiots that will not move on and continue to try and destroy our club and fan base, and they are NOT Belgium's. The previous 2/3 seasons have been a complete disaster, the club has been ripped apart. The rot started shortly before the Shef Utd cup exit and quickly gathered momentum. RD attempted something that was misguided bringing in substandard players, a business plan flawed from day 1, his arrogance / stubbornness has dragged the club to where it is today, BUT we must remember he had advisers who let this go on around them RM being one. So where are we today, well , personally I dont give a shit about the Belgiums, nor do I give a shit if our manager / players are from bleeding Timbuktu. What I do want to see is wins and the club do well, I really dont care if the "owner" doesn't attend games. The problem is now it would appear we have a certain percentage of "fans" that are in the "bedwetter" camp, the oh so easily offended, led by their very own radical activist, you know,, the dirty smelly "swampy" type bloke who says "unless you do as I say YOUR in the wrong". These sensitive little darlings loving the media coverage, being in the lime light, jumping at the chance to do an interview stating its "their Charlton" , self appointed mouth pieces for the masses, holding their "look at me" protests which are frankly embarrassing, dressing up as camels ffs. The very nature of football means there will always be differences between fans re the team the manager the board etc, its what drives debate. After all are we we not the club that had 2 players having a scrap on the pitch not so long ago, and I'm not talking about Bowyer !?!? The "'Together we are Charlton' is fluffy and cant be applied while we have the different fan factions - ie protesters who attend and abuse the players / board protesters who attend and just abuse the board protesters who dont attend protesters who attend and stay quiet, "customers" Supporters who have been going for years and completely f***ed off with the puerile behavior of the above. The Board has acted upon what the "protests" were very loosely based around, they wanted English players and an English manager. Some areas have been over looked, the team in lacking midfield, BUT should this be put down to scouting and Slade, that is IF we are to believe what he said in the papers re it being his team ? One things for certain RD owns the club and he'll do it his way..not Ricks way ,,, I'd like to start a new "protest" group, its also called CARD, "Charlton Against Ricks Disruptions" , its £5 to join and I'll not be disclosing any accounts or membership numbers, ,,, ps.......... did they build that bypass that swampy sat up a tree stinking of shit protesting about ......  think about it ....... |
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Post by AndyAddick on Oct 4, 2016 8:04:46 GMT
The way to change the atmosphere at the Valley is to win matches and play a more adventurous brand of Football. If we carry on drawing and losing matches the pressure will build. It is over to you Russell. agreed , this is an issue for the manager, he needs to now step up , he said its HIS team , ,,, |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2016 15:09:03 GMT
The table doesn't lie!
Why is it that people look back on 2014/15 and the end of the 2013/14 season and class it as failure?
Not only did we finish 12th in May 2015 but the accounts showed we had the smallest losses in ten years outside the FAPL. Compensation for Poyet and the sale of Gomez yielded £4.5M to bring down losses.
Now we know there was a lot or turbulence with coaches changing and 2/3 of the 2012-14 squad being replaced but the midfield in 2014/15 was the best in ten seasons.
It is convenient for some to argue that everything went wrong from when Powell left but the results tell a different story as we won as many as we lost over the next 65 fixtures.
None of this changes the fact that last season was a train wreck. In fact it makes it worse because we had a mid table Championship club in the making.
And none of this should change our perception of the competence of the execution of the strategy. But if we want to send a message to the board of CAFC which we want to be heard and acted upon should we start with "you're rubbish and it's been wrong from day 1" or "the sale of Liege has exposed your inability to attract the right players and manage the squad successfully"
Now we can put as many or as few swear words in either statement but it is the second which suggests there is a solution, i.e., get the right players in the right positions, source a decent manager and give them the right budgets.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2016 15:14:00 GMT
The way to change the atmosphere at the Valley is to win matches and play a more adventurous brand of Football. If we carry on drawing and losing matches the pressure will build. It is over to you Russell. Agreed 100% The owner has spent a lot of money to get where we are and it shouldn't cost a lot more in January to add the missing elements to deliver goals and wins. If Slade can stay afloat then it's down to the scouts to find the right players and the board to finace and land them. There is no more room for excuses and I hate to think how low the crowds will go if they don't sort it out. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 16:25:10 GMT
The table doesn't lie - and the table shows 6 pts seperating 18 teams. If Shef U (4th) lose their next two and Southend (21st) win their next two, they change places.
The frustrating thing is that if Lookman's 87th minute wonder strike had dipped another two inches and gone in instead of shaking the crossbar and if Jackson had put away the penalty, which surely would have seen us go on to win against Rochdale, we would now be in fifth position and the smile would have been wiped off the faces of Everitt, Hayes, Wiseman, Pemberton and Hunt and it would be goodbye CARD, you've dealt your last bum hand and we're going for a straight flush.
Game of narrow margins, everything to play for and all those other cliches. But we are - quite literally - only inches away from turning the draws into wins.
(Cue enraged screams from the "realists" : 'apologist', 'wake up and smell the coffee', 'you're the village idiot', 'let's bomb Belgium','we're nailed-on going down','ditch the bitch' and 'Slade is worse than Bob Peeters'... )
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 16:51:58 GMT
If my Auntie had bollocks she would be my Uncle. It doesn't matter a fig what might have been. It matters how many points you get. I am not a fantasist unlike a lot of people on here. The table says we have 12 points that is the only thing that matters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 17:36:37 GMT
If my Auntie had bollocks she would be my Uncle. It doesn't matter a fig what might have been. It matters how many points you get. I am not a fantasist unlike a lot of people on here. The table says we have 12 points that is the only thing that matters. Five points off the play-offs...six pts separating 18 teams? Yes, plumb. Lets ignore that. It doesn't matter a fig. Let's all focus on your agenda of wrist-slitting depression and nihilism and how dare anybody keep a smile on their face when you are feeling so miserable. It's just not fair. Only 12 pts, you say? Stone me, the team in fifth place has got ...crickey, 17 pts. Five whole points more than us with only another 35 games to go! We're doomed. Probably already down and anybody who can't see that is a "fantasist". You told us today what you really think of ITTV and all who sail in her on another forum, where you and Royston regularly critique the contributors on here. You wrote: "I am just getting sick and tired of the likes of IA, Colin,Lardiman,etc. How far do we have to drop before these pathetic apologists wake up and criticise the regime. I feel like General Custer or King Canute...keep the pressure on Douche and his bitch." You really are a little charmer, aren't you? And how many different Charlton forums do you write on? When I wrote "cue enraged screams from the "realists" - 'apologist', 'wake up and smell the coffee', 'you're the village idiot', 'let's bomb Belgium','we're nailed-on going down', 'ditch the bitch' and 'Slade is worse than Bob Peeters', I forgot to mention 'fantasist'!  |
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Post by mogodonman on Oct 4, 2016 18:13:10 GMT
The table doesn't lie - and the table shows 6 pts seperating 18 teams. If Shef U (4th) lose their next two and Southend (21st) win their next two, they change places. The frustrating thing is that if Lookman's 87th minute wonder strike had dipped another two inches and gone in instead of shaking the crossbar and if Jackson had put away the penalty, which surely would have seen us go on to win against Rochdale, we would now be in fifth position and the smile would have been wiped off the faces of Everitt, Hayes, Wiseman, Pemberton and Hunt and it would be goodbye CARD, you've dealt your last bum hand and we're going for a straight flush. Game of narrow margins, everything to play for and all those other cliches. But we are - quite literally - only inches away from turning the draws into wins. (Cue enraged screams from the "realists" : 'apologist', 'wake up and smell the coffee', 'you're the village idiot', 'let's bomb Belgium','we're nailed-on going down','ditch the bitch' and 'Slade is worse than Bob Peeters'... ) That's a hell of a lot of ifs. If we had not appointed Fraeye is another one to add in. But the reality is that none of the ifs happened and we are where we are. I know that doesn't quite suit your argument and the "100 militant loud mouths on Charlton Life with a herd mentality" (your description) are still there. Oh, and even if we'd won I think we'd have been ninth. But we didn't and are 18th, something none of us, whatever our views, can take any satisfaction from. |
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Post by mogodonman on Oct 4, 2016 18:15:26 GMT
If my Auntie had bollocks she would be my Uncle. It doesn't matter a fig what might have been. It matters how many points you get. I am not a fantasist unlike a lot of people on here. The table says we have 12 points that is the only thing that matters. Five points off the play-offs...six pts separating 18 teams? Yes, plumb. Lets ignore that. It doesn't matter a fig. Let's all focus on your agenda of wrist-slitting depression and nihilism and how dare anybody keep a smile on their face when you are feeling so miserable. It's just not fair. Only 12 pts, you say? Stone me, the team in fifth place has got ...crickey, 17 pts. Five whole points more than us with only another 35 games to go! We're doomed. Probably already down and anybody who can't see that is a "fantasist". You told us today what you really think of ITTV and all who sail in her on another forum, where you and Royston regularly critique the contributors on here. You wrote: "I am just getting sick and tired of the likes of IA, Colin,Lardiman,etc. How far do we have to drop before these pathetic apologists wake up and criticise the regime. I feel like General Custer or King Canute...keep the pressure on Douche and his bitch." You really are a little charmer, aren't you? And how many different Charlton forums do you write on? When I wrote "cue enraged screams from the "realists" - 'apologist', 'wake up and smell the coffee', 'you're the village idiot', 'let's bomb Belgium','we're nailed-on going down', 'ditch the bitch' and 'Slade is worse than Bob Peeters', I forgot to mention 'fantasist'! At least he - and you and others - can comment on a variety of forums, and that has to be healthy, doesn't it, regardless of where you stand? Unlike the closed Facebook page where you and your dozen or so like-minded friends remove anyone whose views they don't agree with. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 18:21:11 GMT
Not me, mate. I've never removed anybody from anything. But I have noticed you are obsessed with that facebook page since they banned you for lack of respect towards your fellow human beings. You've made dozens and dozens of angry posts about it on Charlton Life. Now you've mentioned in several different threads on ITTV, too.
Seems a bit of a weird obsession?
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Post by mogodonman on Oct 4, 2016 18:26:11 GMT
Not me, mate. I've never removed anybody from anything. But I have noticed you are obsessed with that facebook page since they banned you for lack of respect towards your fellow human beings. You've made dozens and dozens of angry posts about it on Charlton Life. Now you've mentioned in several different threads on ITTV, too. Seems a bit of a weird obsession? I think a Facebook page is all a bit silly because there are a handful of people there who refuse to listen to any views that are not theirs ... plus nobody had the courtesy to explain why I was removed as I was never rude or insulting. Was it seriously because I cut and pasted a comment?! Meanwhile, you hate about 4000-5000 of your own club's fans. Hmm |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 18:33:17 GMT
I don't hate anyone (with the possible exception of Donald Trump, although actually I don't even hate him, just his obnoxious views).
The thing with hatred is that it corrodes the soul of the hater far more than it harms the object of their hatred. I've always remembered that : it was something Leonard Cohen said to me when I interviewed him at Shutters On The Beach in Santa Monica in 1998...a very wise man and his new album You Want It Darker is magnificent. He's 82 and is probably writing better than at any time in the last 20 years. Amazing,really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 19:59:17 GMT
The way to change the atmosphere at the Valley is to win matches and play a more adventurous brand of Football. If we carry on drawing and losing matches the pressure will build. It is over to you Russell. Why would those who seek to depose Roland Duchatelet wish to change the atmosphere at the Valley? The more toxic the better surely for their purposes. Paranoia, fear, resentment and hatred are the fuel they feed on. Barracking and booing the players, unravelling banners, throwing rubbish and flares onto the pitch. Rival factions of fans threatening each other... More draws and defeats are just the ticket for those who believe ruining the Club is a price worth paying to impose their political will upon it. The people who wish to take control of the Club really owe it to their followers to be honest with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 20:18:44 GMT
if we'd won I think we'd have been ninth. Nope. Your math is a little awry there. Those five pts dropped last week would have put us on 17 pts and in the play-off places. So near yet so far! But not that far off when just 6 pts seperate 18 clubs, stretching from 4th to 21st place. Any team that puts two or three wins together is going to be there or thereabouts - it's that congested. Sorry that doesn't suit your consel of despair but the table doesn't lie and them's the arithmetical facts. Let's hope we can put those wins together. Coventry, Port Vale, Gillingham and Chesterfield all in the space of 14 days offers plenty of opportunity for us to be in the top six come the end of the month. |
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