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Post by pulled off at half time on Mar 27, 2015 20:32:48 GMT
Don't get how someone who only posted negative stuff was entertaining , a real lazy option , used to bore me silly , dull as shit
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 23:05:43 GMT
Feel the LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURV
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 28, 2015 9:54:35 GMT
It tells it's own story, Royston and Don disappear and all of a sudden more people are posting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 11:22:40 GMT
WayneK from CL might be over soon...he got banned last night for telling a joke. It's worth a look at the jokes thread just to see mister Plum losing the plot...It's f**king hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 20:55:16 GMT
It tells it's own story, Royston and Don disappear and all of a sudden more people are posting. Sadly this is true. A diversity of different views is the lifeblood of any vibrant forum. But it only takes one peevish voice of unrelenting negativity who pours bile on those posters who dare to disagree with him to sour the tone for everyone. Nick will be happier away from this fourm for not having to engage with those of us who believe that CAFC has a bright future and ITTV will certainly be a more attractive place to new and lapsed posters for the absence of his destructiveness. And I'd guess between now and May 7 he's not going to have much time for football as he devotes his energies to campaigning for UKIP in the run up to the general election. I'd like to hope we can keep this forum an election-free zone!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2015 23:23:37 GMT
I'd like to hope we can keep this forum an election-free zone! I'd vote for that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 8:03:43 GMT
For better or worse, it seems there is more 'activity' when Don and Royston are on ITTV. However, for all members, posts must be kept civil. **I did not want to start another thread, but we have seriously gone off topic!"
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Post by overthetop on Mar 29, 2015 9:39:13 GMT
Thought we might have seen the new Trust Chair actually join this forum and commence posting some positives about the Trust and what it can do to drive forward the real agendas that you average fan is concerned about as well as celebrate the successes together.
However, it would obviously appear to be below him - though I do thank Razil and Rik for their input. I find it slightly hypocritical when the main gripe of the Trust is the current poor communication with the owner.
Does he communicate directly on any other forums? Is Ken to only current Board member registered here?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 10:24:51 GMT
Thought we might have seen the new Trust Chair actually join this forum and commence posting some positives about the Trust and what it can do to drive forward the real agendas that you average fan is concerned about as well as celebrate the successes together. However, it would obviously appear to be below him - though I do thank Razil and Rik for their input. I find it slightly hypocritical when the main gripe of the Trust is the current poor communication with the owner. Does he communicate directly on any other forums? Is Ken to only current Board member registered here? Agree he could of come on here and made his self known to us all but im more interested in the football side .The trust formed on the presumption of us moving from the Valley that's not happening so they have to find another angle that being slating the owner and his team
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 29, 2015 12:33:53 GMT
For better or worse, it seems there is more 'activity' when Don and Royston are on ITTV. However, for all members, posts must be kept civil. **I did not want to start another thread, but we have seriously gone off topic!" Forum statistics prove otherwise mate and if you have a look at 606 where they both frequent they have around 12 members and that's on a good day so they are hardly doing that forum any favours!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:49:19 GMT
WayneK from CL might be over soon...he got banned last night for telling a joke. It's worth a look at the jokes thread just to see mister Plum losing the plot...It's f**king hilarious. classic, a joke thread where you cant tell jokes !! lol
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 29, 2015 17:18:08 GMT
Plumb lost the plot months ago.....both of them!!
Just goes to show doesn't it that you can call somebody a racist and stay on the forum but get banned for telling a joke.
AFKA did email me an apology but it means nothing if the person who accused me is allowed to stay on there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 17:40:13 GMT
For better or worse, it seems there is more 'activity' when Don and Royston are on ITTV. However, for all members, posts must be kept civil. **I did not want to start another thread, but we have seriously gone off topic!" Forum statistics prove otherwise mate and if you have a look at 606 where they both frequent they have around 12 members and that's on a good day so they are hardly doing that forum any favours!! Had a look after reading this. Royston appears to have as much contempt for "foreigners" who live in North Wales as he has for "foreigners" from Belgium. Wear it as a badge of honour, reams!!!
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Post by wellingaddick on Mar 29, 2015 18:10:32 GMT
Thought we might have seen the new Trust Chair actually join this forum and commence posting some positives about the Trust and what it can do to drive forward the real agendas that you average fan is concerned about as well as celebrate the successes together. However, it would obviously appear to be below him - though I do thank Razil and Rik for their input. I find it slightly hypocritical when the main gripe of the Trust is the current poor communication with the owner. Does he communicate directly on any other forums? Is Ken to only current Board member registered here? I certainly would have thought that the Trust needs to go on a charm offensive. It is viewed with suspicion as to its motives (the Powell interview and the make up of the new board, to name two examples) in some quarters and needs to reach out to fans.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 8:29:48 GMT
The haughty arrogance of the Trust and the people around it really is breathtaking.
Here is Rick Everitt yesterday on the respective merits of the club's CEO, Katrien Meire and the Trust chairman (and former fan's director) Steve Clarke : apparently the latter "actually has more experience as a director of the club - and certainly a more extensive knowledge of it - than she does."
This is the problem of the Trust in a nutshell - they genuinely believe that they know how to run the club better from their crappy little homes in Plumstead or wherever they live than the tenth richest man in Belgium and his clearly very smart CEO.
I have nothing personal against Steve Clarke or rikofold or their other seven close relatives and G21 co-conspirators on the Trust board. But they need to show some humility and respect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 8:52:43 GMT
The haughty arrogance of the Trust and the people around it really is breathtaking. Here is Rick Everitt yesterday on the respective merits of the club's CEO, Katrien Meire and the Trust chairman (and former fan's director) Steve Clarke : apparently the latter "actually has more experience as a director of the club - and certainly a more extensive knowledge of it - than she does." This is the problem of the Trust in a nutshell - they genuinely believe that they know how to run the club better from their crappy little homes in Plumstead or wherever they live than the tenth richest man in Belgium and his clearly very smart CEO. I have nothing personal against Steve Clarke or rikofold or their other seven close relatives and G21 co-conspirators on the Trust board. But they need to show some humility and respect. Perhaps it is a two way thing, and all parties need to start afresh. We all want what is best for the football club after all. Whatever people may think about Rick Everitt, he knows an AWFUL lot about this football club(more than most in my opinion) given that he worked there for many years and surely would be a major asset in having an amicable 'relationship' with Meire. It is not too late.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 9:15:32 GMT
But is arrogantly bragging that they know better how to run the club than Meire really the best way to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve (and I'm not at all sure what it is they want, apart from being recognised as Very Important People who purport to represent the rest of us )...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 9:35:58 GMT
But is arrogantly bragging that they know better how to run the club than Meire really the best way to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve (and I'm not at all sure what it is they want, apart from being recognised as Very Important People who purport to represent the rest of us )... I think that people realise that they cannot tell Meire what to do. They must know they can only advise and give their view. From the Belgians side surely they must sit down and listen to the supporters. I am not a lover of Hayes' attitude on CL, I do not know Rick Everitt(although of course know who he is) but I do think people like this have the best interests of Charlton at heart. They have worked at the club and certainly know better how things work than a mere supporter like me since 1977.
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Post by jonkool on Apr 5, 2015 10:04:19 GMT
To my mind it's all to do for the Trust to rebuild bridges with Katrien as she has indicated to fans that she is not at all impressed with the attitude of Trust representatives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 10:13:58 GMT
To my mind it's all to do for the Trust to rebuild bridges with Katrien as she has indicated to fans that she is not at all impressed with the attitude of Trust representatives. But her Evening Standard article of..... Of course I can understand their frustration and they have every right to be [frustrated],” she said. “But I hope they understand the owner wants the best for Charlton. He does it his way and they need to accept that. Meire lost a LOT of credibility over the Peeters sacking, let us not forget the flack aimed at her and Duchatelet then. The board are no angels.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 5, 2015 10:25:17 GMT
Change the record Elfsborg!....Meire lost a LOT of credibility over the Peeters sacking........Says who?....The CL and TRUST knob heads who have had the knives out for her for months just waiting for the first opportunity that comes along?
You support the TRUST obviously but how can you question KM when they have the likes of Weegie Addick interviewing and publishing a discussion that took place with the hopeless one Chris Powell? You will never see a bigger own goal during the rest of your years than that, what a silly woman.
Maybe the board are no angels, your words not mine but I trust them more than I do some Charlton fans put it that way.
The Trust see themselves as an asset with an income of £7k-£8k a year and an established fanzine, website and survey technology. Leaving leave that in the hands of Weegieaddick, PragueAddick, Steve Clarke and Airman Brown (behind the scenes) is a major misjudgement in my book as none of them are good enough or clever enough to take it any further forward which is why it is in the early stages of decline, just ask the 50 or so people who have not renewed their memberships and that figure is growing.
At the rate they are currently losing members I estimate they will be down 300 (50% of renewals) by the time of the AGM. In three months membership will be below 1,000 for the first time since the takeover.....Ask yourself why.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 5, 2015 10:42:48 GMT
But is arrogantly bragging that they know better how to run the club than Meire really the best way to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve (and I'm not at all sure what it is they want, apart from being recognised as Very Important People who purport to represent the rest of us )... I think that people realise that they cannot tell Meire what to do. They must know they can only advise and give their view. From the Belgians side surely they must sit down and listen to the supporters. I am not a lover of Hayes' attitude on CL, I do not know Rick Everitt(although of course know who he is) but I do think people like this have the best interests of Charlton at heart. They have worked at the club and certainly know better how things work than a mere supporter like me since 1977. Hayes is a clown, people at the club laugh at him, Everitt lives in cloud cuckoo land still thinking he can be an asset to the club, people like these two are have beens and never will be's they live ion their own bubble of self importance. Razil left because he thought or somebody thought for him that it would open the way for the TRUST to engage with the club, I don't think so do you!!! The names may have changed but the agenda remains, I see the TRUST board as people who would creep around and stab you in the back. I changed my attitude towards them recently but the Powell interview changed my mind for good, how can you back people like her with your views or someone else who has been sacked by the club previously and is bitter enough to suggest a season ticket ban next season? RD & KM have taken the club forward to a level where Everitt would be out of his depth.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 10:58:57 GMT
But is arrogantly bragging that they know better how to run the club than Meire really the best way to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve (and I'm not at all sure what it is they want, apart from being recognised as Very Important People who purport to represent the rest of us )... Let's not get confused here - the Trust chair isn't bragging, it is Rick Everett who is banging on. Incidentally he has been called out by Ben Hayes and others who observe what we have seen - namely a lot of damage has been done to the Trust / club relationship over the last 12 months.
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Post by webbo on Apr 5, 2015 11:10:21 GMT
The message I get from the owners is basically that they have paid for the club and can do exactly what they want. Which of course is the fact. Then they go on about building a better future together and I wonder what their version of better is, and what they mean by together. I don't know what my role is beyond turn up, pay up, sing up, and put up. If that is what they mean by together its like a master servant thing rather than a together thing.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 5, 2015 11:21:05 GMT
But is arrogantly bragging that they know better how to run the club than Meire really the best way to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve (and I'm not at all sure what it is they want, apart from being recognised as Very Important People who purport to represent the rest of us )... Let's not get confused here - the Trust chair isn't bragging, it is Rick Everett who is banging on. Incidentally he has been called out by Ben Hayes and others who observe what we have seen - namely a lot of damage has been done to the Trust / club relationship over the last 12 months. Everitt digs out KM every chance he gets, he comes across as a jealous stalker out to get Katriene's job which ever way he can, the bloke is a feckin cock.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 12:08:25 GMT
The issue for the Trust has been, like many fans, they don't understand what the new owner is doing. But that's no reason to assume the worst is it?
Today's football league paper suggests Gudmundsson might be off to the FAPL in the summer.
Airman Brown will run a "you don't what your doing headline". Others will want to challenge the club.
For me the simple fact, above and beyond the team is that our club has five saleable playing assets. And that's five more than last summer. We can break even if the owner chooses.
My point is I'm trying to understand the facts, look at the club direction and then fit my response to that. In this case, whether or not there are player sales this summer I would still make a strong case for improving league position year on year because of the FAPL prize at the end.
Basically my tactic would be to praise the fact that M.Duchatelet and Meire managed to sign Gudmundsson in the first place and then suggest more of the same. Basically get behind the club, explain the strategy and get more traction that way. Perhaps even influence direction who knows. But the adversarial stance taken by Trust Board members over the last 12 months doesn't go anywhere.
Aligning with VOTV is populist, adversarial and ultimately serves no purpose. When Rikofold, a trust board member, comes on here arguing with fans then that's not good. It's fairly obvious that Trust members will think twice about renewing if this is all that is on offer.
Take a look at Trust numbers at end May. Unless the new Chair can build an understanding with Katrien Meire AND publicise that, then they are only going South.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 12:13:35 GMT
Let's not get confused here - the Trust chair isn't bragging, it is Rick Everett who is banging on. Incidentally he has been called out by Ben Hayes and others who observe what we have seen - namely a lot of damage has been done to the Trust / club relationship over the last 12 months. Everitt digs out KM every chance he gets, he comes across as a jealous stalker out to get Katriene's job which ever way he can, the bloke is a feckin cock. Which makes it very confusing as to why the Trust board would have anything to do with him?! Oh yes, PragueAddick and Weegie think it's a good idea. The Trust members deserve better - if they don't get it, a significant % will leave. As numbers decline the choice will become more stark: a change in direction or watch numbers drop further.
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Post by webbo on Apr 5, 2015 12:23:50 GMT
When rikofold write on here he explains things over and over again with a lot of patience and gets no credit for that, mainly gets dug out in a lot of ways which is a shame. It is also repeated time and again that Rick Everitt is somehow secretly controlling the trust, but that is never backed up with anything concrete, not that people are not allowed their opinion, but saying an opinion over and over again doesn't eventually make it a true fact. If the trust membership goes down so be it, as long as it is there, even hibernating then I am pleased we have one like all the others around and about the leagues. The real worry is if attendances go down isn't it? Or maybe crowds at the Valley is not significant.
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Post by seriouslyred on Apr 5, 2015 12:35:17 GMT
Crowds at the Valley are significant although a couple of thousand on (or off) the gate adds up to less than a million in the books.
The point is the Trust could and should be working with the club to reach out to lapse, infrequent and new fans to fill the Valley.
And to work with the club you cannot be criticising individuals running it 24/7. Nor sponsoring those who do. What do I mean by sponsoring? PragueAddick will nominate Rick Everett to be a consultant to the club, "explaining what they don't know and how stupid they are."!
I know two of the management team who have since left the club - the reality is they would never work with the likes of Rick because of the unpredictability and the vitriol he pours on people.
There doesn't need to be a conspiracy but if Rikofold and PragueAddick are parroting the VOTV line about Koc, Nego etc on a message board which is viewed by the club then that is a pretty strong statement.
Once again, if the Trust board were really interested then they they might do well to actually listen, observe and think.
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Post by reamsofverse on Apr 5, 2015 12:42:06 GMT
Rikofold is a top man, I wish he wasn't involved with some of the people on the TRUST board and I must point out 100% that nothing that I have said is aimed at him personally in the slightest and I am sure I speak for others on here too in saying that.
The TRUST do live off the early flops we had sent across from Belgium and that Everitt was a one time leader of the pack but all that is history, both of these nightmares occurred when we were at rock bottom last season under Slater, Jiminez and their second choice manager Powell.
Not sure why so many idiots want to wind back the clock just so they can have a face they know involved off the pitch like they used to have one on it before he got sent to Huddersfield to prove how poor a manager he is at this level in Yorkshire too.
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