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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 0:49:32 GMT
I am assuming the Watford train incident, and any nasty stuff at Euston was carried out by individuals representing themselves. Nobody has actually said so I reckon, but whatever the criticism of the Trust, they can't be held responsible for the Watford stuff. Now Katrien was frightened by the stuff that happened after Watford, so she says, and she has the sense to recognise that it does not mean all Charlton fans want to behave like that. I hope she doesn't think because of individual abuse of that kind it was the fault of the Trust. Any kind of contact Katrien has with the Trust is unlikely to be the same as the Watford train or Euston but probably much more polite. I am in favour of the Trust, but it can't force the owners to engage with it can it? Possibly the role of the trust is not to wither, but to be dormant, but be there if the need arises for some kind of concerted fan stuff in the future. I think it is a mistake for there to be a rift but there you go, the owners feels the Trust is a threat, and he has all the money and power and can take the risk of annoying some sections of Charlton fans. It is amusing seeing loads of people writing here going on about motives of people involved, and their individual characters, yet on the other thread I reckon rikofold showed patience and good manners even when he was getting dogs abuse. I am more in favour of getting behind somebody like rikofold than Euston Station abusers, I can see the difference, but maybe the owners are paranoid and can't see the difference themselves. Couple of things, Webbo. Why is it hard to believe that a young (to me, anyway) woman, on her own, would be frightened by some drunken lout(s) screaming insults in her face? Why do you think she would make that up? Also, have you read somewhere that somebody blamed the 'Trust' for the post game incidents on the train and at the station? I am also seriously interested as to why you imagine the owner 'feels the Trust is a threat'. To what, exactly?
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Post by webbo on Mar 26, 2015 1:07:30 GMT
I haven't said it is hard to believe. The trust is so hated by some that it feels like the Watford stuff is only a little bit away from being blamed on the Trust, maybe I'm wrong. She might feel all Charlton fans who question things, like the individuals after Watford, and the Trust are basically the same, and as she said, frightening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 7:12:02 GMT
I feel the KM interview on Sky was the last nail in the Trust coffin. The Trust is reactionary, ego driven and lives in the past. KM is calm and well ordered, a genuine enthusiastic fan who wants the best for the club and it's supporters, plus she is trying to achieve that with a modern and fresh approach and outlook. The King is dead...long live the King. I'd argue Meire being a fan, up till two years ago she probably had never heard of Charlton Athletic.
If Duchatelet gave the sack tomorrow she would then probably not set foot in SE7 again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 7:36:41 GMT
just goes to prove, you dont have to be Perry Mason to find the facts. Wonder how many of the PAID up members are aware of the G21 stats and feel duped ! 5 of 9 with an agenda against the club, Pro Powell, and sitting on the board, it stinks !
I was interested in the Trust , unfortunately I think this is the final nail in the coffin, its lost all credibility appointing people like this.
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Post by browntalk on Mar 26, 2015 8:47:13 GMT
just goes to prove, you dont have to be Perry Mason to find the facts. Wonder how many of the PAID up members are aware of the G21 stats and feel duped ! 5 of 9 with an agenda against the club, Pro Powell, and sitting on the board, it stinks ! I was interested in the Trust , unfortunately I think this is the final nail in the coffin, its lost all credibility appointing people like this. It's a lot more sinister than a load of failed chartered accountants stealing the toys from a lot of junior bookkeepers. I don't believe for a second that Razil resigned to spend more time doing his PhD in paint watching. He was pushed out. Rik rather desperate and quite pathetic attempts at explaining a voting process that Robert Mugabe would have said was so bent that even he could not use it was telling. It was so obvious he even didn't believe in the process. It also shows that as long as there is a charlton there will always be a line of badly dressed sandel wearing know it alls wanting to run the club club down unless the true fans stand up to their bollocks.
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Post by jonkool on Mar 26, 2015 8:55:19 GMT
I still maintain that the great majority of our active fan base has little interest in the running of the club other than the results on the pitch and the cost of tickets.
If at our next home game every fan was asked to name the Trust Board members, Fans Forum members or any other official or unofficial fans groups I'm sure most would scratch their heads and shuffle on by. Fans forums such as ITV, CL, 606 have very committed contributors but in total I would be surprised as to whether the combined number exceeded 500. The rest are the great silent majority.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 9:37:13 GMT
summery , scare tactics rebel roused a 1000 members at a fiver a time.
I wonder if in days gone by they would have hung around outside pubs around the docks, coshing young men round the back of the napper, instilling them into a life in the Royal Navy !!! ;-)
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 26, 2015 11:38:39 GMT
summery , scare tactics rebel roused a 1000 members at a fiver a time. I wonder if in days gone by they would have hung around outside pubs around the docks, coshing young men round the back of the napper, instilling them into a life in the Royal Navy !!! ;-) We tried that at the start but found it was easier to get people to join up online. Bottom line is the Trust has an election process but if there aren't enough candidates then anyone can walk in unopposed. And then nominate others to be co-opted. There may only be 500-1,000 fans but I would estimate that between 1/3 and1/2 of the fanbase like to read about the club on line away from the official site. It has taken 12 months for people to wake up to who is running the Trust and where it has positioned itself. As Razil explained there is an election process and if a group of fans wish to reposition the trust they need to join (if not members) stand, and win. From the very start I always said to Razil that the Trust was open to hijack. But I never envisaged I would be advising fans how easy it would be to take a stand. Alternatively people can just watch from the side and see if membership declines. My guess is that the Trust will get hypothermia if the club leaves it out in the cold for another year or two!
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 26, 2015 13:00:16 GMT
Webbo I put a thread up on here on March 7th saying that I had met Katriene in Cardiff and we had a very nice and informative discussion about a few things. During that I apologised to her on behalf of the real fans for the behaviour of some of our moronic idiots who think that they are hard men because they have shaven heads and confront women on a train.
Her reply at the time like I have said before was that was not the worse of it, at Euston she said she felt frightened which is not on and you can take it from me that it happened therefore there is nothing hard to believe about it at all.
In saying that I am not suggesting that you are condoning what happened so it's important I point that out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 13:07:16 GMT
I still maintain that the great majority of our active fan base has little interest in the running of the club other than the results on the pitch and the cost of tickets. If at our next home game every fan was asked to name the Trust Board members, Fans Forum members or any other official or unofficial fans groups I'm sure most would scratch their heads and shuffle on by. Fans forums such as ITV, CL, 606 have very committed contributors but in total I would be surprised as to whether the combined number exceeded 500. The rest are the great silent majority. You're probably not too far off the mark JK.
I still think that things would be better for both club and fans if there was some meaningful dialogue, this has been shown in the past. As to whether that happens is another matter.
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Post by webbo on Mar 26, 2015 17:59:30 GMT
Webbo I put a thread up on here on March 7th saying that I had met Katriene in Cardiff and we had a very nice and informative discussion about a few things. During that I apologised to her on behalf of the real fans for the behaviour of some of our moronic idiots who think that they are hard men because they have shaven heads and confront women on a train. Her reply at the time like I have said before was that was not the worse of it, at Euston she said she felt frightened which is not on and you can take it from me that it happened therefore there is nothing hard to believe about it at all. In saying that I am not suggesting that you are condoning what happened so it's important I point that out. I totally believe it happened, and have never once said it is hard to believe, don't know where that idea came from. The risk is she may feel that all Charlton fans are like the ones screaming in her face, and also (wrongly) associate that behaviour with the behaviour of supporters in the Trust.
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Post by jonkool on Mar 26, 2015 18:43:27 GMT
Sorry Webbo but in my opinion Katrien is very savvy and will not see a rude, frightening and aggressive do called fan hiding behind their blanket and thermos flask in the East and West Stands
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 26, 2015 19:06:53 GMT
It was probably the same fan who this time next week along with his pals will be shitting himself at Millwall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 20:46:56 GMT
ITTV is like a rowing boat. If the rowers all pull together you go in a straight line, if not, you just go around in circles. Then Royston must be rowing Noah's Ark...the dinosaurs went in two by two...
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 26, 2015 21:03:36 GMT
With Dopey Don and Numpty Nick ushering them on!!
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Post by browntalk on Mar 26, 2015 22:21:54 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere.
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Post by browntalk on Mar 26, 2015 22:22:47 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on proper CaFc fans .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 22:41:55 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere. Post now edited...was specifically thinking of Royston
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Post by browntalk on Mar 26, 2015 23:09:04 GMT
Nick is the Howard Stern of the forums. He is witty, intelligent funny, and pushes buttons that only he can. His writings are exceptional and I'm sure he likes playing the villain to the benefit of this and other forums. Imagine any forum without a Nick, it will be like Top Gear without Clarkson.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 0:38:24 GMT
Nick is the Howard Stern of the forums. He is witty, intelligent funny, and pushes buttons that only he can. His writings are exceptional and I'm sure he likes playing the villain to the benefit of this and other forums. Imagine any forum without a Nick, it will be like Top Gear without Clarkson. Have to agree, he cracks me up...but he has this idea that we can go back in time, plus he says foreigners have ruined Floyd Road which is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 10:12:12 GMT
Nick is the Howard Stern of the forums. He is witty, intelligent funny, and pushes buttons that only he can. His writings are exceptional and I'm sure he likes playing the villain to the benefit of this and other forums. Imagine any forum without a Nick, it will be like Top Gear without Clarkson. Have to agree, he cracks me up...but he has this idea that we can go back in time, plus he says foreigners have ruined Floyd Road which is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
We've always had foreigners be they South African (Shaun Bartlett, Mark Fish, Stuart Leary and others), Italian (Eddie Firmani), Portugese (Jose Semedo, Jorge Costa), French (Yann the Man), Danish (Claus Jensen)........I could go on but I've never heard Nick complaining about them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 10:30:21 GMT
Nick is the Howard Stern of the forums. He is witty, intelligent funny, and pushes buttons that only he can. His writings are exceptional and I'm sure he likes playing the villain to the benefit of this and other forums. Imagine any forum without a Nick, it will be like Top Gear without Clarkson. Have to agree, he cracks me up...but he has this idea that we can go back in time, plus he says foreigners have ruined Floyd Road which is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. wonder what he thinks of Kinsella, Robinson, Fish , Pringle, Jensen , Johansen , etc etc etc ,,,, its not the first time we had overseas players !
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 27, 2015 13:06:22 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere. You are obviously a very keen selective reader Browntalk because this forum and some of the people on it particularly myself, have been getting slagged off by the 606 Empty heads for months on end just like we are on CL too so if you are going to come out with comments like that I suggest you do your home work first. I think you'll also find that the very first people to see straight through the TRUST are those of us on here. Chief protagonist Nick 'The Dick' Gray my talk the talk but ask him to walk the walk and his arse starts twitching.....all mouth no action which is the 606 trademark.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 14:24:25 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere. Lighten up BT, if you say you're offended on other peoples behalf, nobody on here will really care a shit. Before I post I always imagine myself in the pub with you lot...then I talk as I would in the life...ok, I do take the piss, but I don't get sucked into the "It's a forum so I must over react" mentality. ps. ITTV is a bit like the Hotel California...You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!
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Post by browntalk on Mar 27, 2015 14:44:42 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere. You are obviously a very keen selective reader Browntalk because this forum and some of the people on it particularly myself, have been getting slagged off by the 606 Empty heads for months on end just like we are on CL too so if you are going to come out with comments like that I suggest you do your home work first. I think you'll also find that the very first people to see straight through the TRUST are those of us on here. Chief protagonist Nick 'The Dick' Gray my talk the talk but ask him to walk the walk and his arse starts twitching.....all mouth no action which is the 606 trademark. [ No need for the tone Reams I get confused when I selective read for example. (After doing my homework)!!When I read this... You said this on a headline created by you "ITTV support general meeting called by cast" ....I feel the need to unite as one with cast.....? Seem unequivocal support to me from you?!! (Just 4 weeks ago) You also said this "I do not think the network is workable......(5 weeks ago) The less you said about Tony Watt the better. One thing I like about Nick is that his posts never contain a menace. Can't we all get along?! Remember two wrongs don't make a right?
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Post by browntalk on Mar 27, 2015 14:48:18 GMT
Whoa on the attacks on other forums. The 606 forum was the only consistent anti - trust forum who sussed them out way before the penny dropped elsewhere. It does show a lack of class that once the trust have been run out of town, attentions on here have to turn on elsewhere. Lighten up BT, if you say you're offended on other peoples behalf, nobody on here will really care a shit. Before I post I always imagine myself in the pub with you lot...then I talk as I would in the life...ok, I do take the piss, but I don't get sucked into the "It's a forum so I must over react" mentality. ps. ITTV is a bit like the Hotel California...You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! I never said I was offended on Nicks behalf I just want people to show class rather than double standards or make threats. The pub rule at my local is "if you give it out -then you have to take it"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 15:24:13 GMT
If you want people to show class then Fairyland is this way >>>>>>>>>>>
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 15:39:43 GMT
Following on from my last post, I'd like you to think about the definition of class. If the the Museum Curator's CV was laid in front of you, you'd imagine that this was a man with class interwoven into the very fabric of his being. View him on CL and he appears to be classless.
Differences give a necessary bite to life. If everyone had class you wouldn't be able to recognize it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 16:27:17 GMT
BT.....Reams gets my respect because (a) He always says when he's wrong, and (b) He devotes many hours on a forum that he seldom gets thanks for. Indeed, Nick was one of the harshest critics of how this forum was run, scampering over to 606 to spread his rhetoric and name call, and yet Reams forgave him and had him back.
You have a long way to go before you can call the big man out.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 27, 2015 18:15:09 GMT
Absolutely.
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