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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 6:23:30 GMT
SR, looking at the accounts, which of Staprix's investment has not been in the form of a loan?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 6:24:28 GMT
By the way, if you felt everything was rosy, why did you appear at the public meeting?
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 9, 2015 12:35:24 GMT
By the way, if you felt everything was rosy, why did you appear at the public meeting? I appeared at the meeting to represent this site and made the following key points: 1) I have been a supporter of the network concept bringing in players very quickly but wished that our reserve keeper and striking options had been addressed - hence a comparison to Pozzo family. 2) the handling of the Peeters / Luzon switch was a car crash and questioned why Riga, if available, was not selected 3) the overall comms is defective which leads to fans projecting malice or incompetence I have long held the view there should be one united fans body, hence my work setting up the Trust. I was quite outspoken in January so to say I thought things were "rosy" is far from the truth. I was particularly critical of KM because I sensed that when all is not well, she simply doesn't have the depth of experience to steer things back onto the right path. Since that meeting we have seen a transformation in playing performance and results and my confidence in the playing side is fully restored! Watt arriving, Henderson back and the complete transformation of the midfield under Luzon have given us all confidence. Peeters was playing Solly centre mid and Cousins on the left with no sign of Bulot... Now we see Gudmundsson, Buyens, Cousins and Bulot delivering the beat midfield performances I can remember since our days in the FAPL. At the end of the day it's all about results, performances and direction of travel. In the main I think we are on a an upwards trajectory but it still concerns me about the lack of clear vision from our board.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 15:38:54 GMT
SR, I will simply say this. After 7 games of the season you and IA were telling me Peeters was the piece in the jigsaw we'd been missing and it proved RD's strategy was correct. I suggested that I'd wait a little longer to make judgement and the pair of you leapt all over me.
You'd think you'd learn the lesson. After a handful of wins all of a sudden the strategy is back on and it's all good again. Why don't you keep your powder a little dryer and wait and see how things work out. You're still wiping the egg from your face on the Peeters sacking.
If Reams is right, RD may be building the squad further in the summer. I think there will be some investment, although personally I think there's a good nucleus there and it will be telling which players are kept and which are discarded or sold. Half of your best midfield since relegation will be gone at the end of the season, after all, as things stand.
Incidentally, from a football perspective, it's not so much the midfield that's improved as it's been linked to the attack by the introduction of the running and link play of Tony Watt. We used to have a player who did that role. He was sold just over a year ago and not replaced until now. Football's a simple game - we could all see the gap, but it took RD's laptop analysts a year.
EDIT. Your last sentence is absolutely the point that's making a large proportion of season ticket holders stay at home. The owners might actually have a clear vision, but they'll be damned if they (i) tell us (ii) check with those on whom they rely how it will best work in this SE London backwater.
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Post by squareball on Mar 9, 2015 23:23:41 GMT
Incidentally, from a football perspective, it's not so much the midfield that's improved as it's been linked to the attack by the introduction of the running and link play of Tony Watt. We used to have a player who did that role. He was sold just over a year ago and not replaced until now. Football's a simple game - we could all see the gap, but it took RD's laptop analysts a year.
This made we laugh out loud. YK linked our goalkeeper and defence to the opposition goalkeeper most of the time. The ball would come out of the ozone layer and be flicked on to their defence or keeper by big Yann. He was great at that granted. But a link between midfield and attack.? Our midfield was bypassed for most of the games. When YK played as a lone striker he still flicked it on. It was hellish to watch if I'm honest. Get the ball onto his head ASAP and see what happens. That seemed to be the strength of it. He may have been better for us had CP not been in charge and someone like Luzon may have got something from him. But he would only be a bench player now.
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 10, 2015 0:32:17 GMT
Incidentally, from a football perspective, it's not so much the midfield that's improved as it's been linked to the attack by the introduction of the running and link play of Tony Watt. We used to have a player who did that role. He was sold just over a year ago and not replaced until now. Football's a simple game - we could all see the gap, but it took RD's laptop analysts a year. This made we laugh out loud. YK linked our goalkeeper and defence to the opposition goalkeeper most of the time. The ball would come out of the ozone layer and be flicked on to their defence or keeper by big Yann. He was great at that granted. But a link between midfield and attack.? Our midfield was bypassed for most of the games. When YK played as a lone striker he still flicked it on. It was hellish to watch if I'm honest. Get the ball onto his head ASAP and see what happens. That seemed to be the strength of it. He may have been better for us had CP not been in charge and someone like Luzon may have got something from him. But he would only be a bench player now. But squareball, our midfield of Harriott, Pritchard, Gower and Jackson were a class apart. Those silky movements, slick incisive passing and legendary creativity were a thing to behold! In all seriousness I am completely bored of people glorifying players from a not so good squad who didn't even want to turn out when we were in a relegation dogfight. When the chips are down its the freaking club that counts, not some fecker who wants a 50% payrise and a new contract just to do his job. Watt is a completely different type of player to Kermorgant, more like Ricardo Fuller with the ball glued to his feet taking on a pair of defenders. And he's 12 years younger and on a long term deal - we will either grow with him or we sell him to more than recoup fees and wages paid. I'm also bored of those criticising Staprix transfer policy based solely on slating the arrivals in January 2014. The reason I keep asking whether people think we have a better squad today than January 2014 is because if the answer is yes then the logic is irrefutable that someone has signed better players... And someone else has developed young talent like Vetokele, Cousins and Gomez into better players.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 1:29:28 GMT
Honestly, sometimes you lot can be so facile.
Kermorgant is in a footballing side long the envy of us. He has started 23 games with another 10 off the bench and scored 13 goals. He's had half as many assists on top, and has played at least 6 of his games between the midfield and the main striker. If you don't believe he wouldn't have walked into our side at any time in the last year, at least until Watt was signed, then you're in denial. He doesn't have to be the exact same player as Tony Watt to be effective in that role, does he?
Yet you've entirely - surely deliberately - missed the point. The issue isn't whether we should still have Yann Kermorgant, it's that RD's genius, or that of his advisors, left that gap in the squad for over a year. No-one's "glorifying players from a not so good squad", however much you want to think that. That's got nothing to do with the arrivals in January 2014, let alone 'solely' that. Try not to let the facts get in the way of a few nice paragraphs though, eh.
If your judgement is so sharp, how did you come to the conclusion Peeters was RD's strategic appointment, who would deliver neat effective football? He was more negative than Powell, and at least Powell had the excuse of having his best players taken from his squad by two successive owners.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 7:13:01 GMT
Mind blowing the change of attitude from Watford 5-0 to 5 wins in six.
Wonder where we will be in December with a virtual new team.
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Post by seriouslyred on Mar 10, 2015 9:20:10 GMT
And so it goes on, and on, and on... A whole range of challenges from a Trust board member who mistakes the cut and thrust of debate for leadership! Around September/October I bigger up the new look squad. I make no apology for that for I saw it as a step towards a top eight squad - not the finished article. I have long predicted we would finish 8-12th with 65 points give or take.
As for Peeters? I would rate him fourth out of the four Staprix coaches! I don't recall stating he was the Messiah. Always wanted Riga instead and we certainly weren't worldbeaters earlier in the season.
No my point was then and remains still: do we have a better squad than January 2014. If the answer is yes and you as part of the leadership of the Trust wish to have a dialogue with the club then I suggest: 1) you stop copying Rick Everett criticising everything you can about the club 2) show some empathy and understand the challenges facing the club and the management 3) stop wearing your "I love Powell" t shirts (!) and banging on about Kermorgant 4) stop engaging in adversarial exchanges with fans on message boards. It's childish and simply isn't appropriate for someone in a leadership position.
I went through a few comments I made in October and so what if I was bigging up the squad. It took until now to actually see Bulot, Vetokele, Gudmundsson and Buyens play together because of injury and suspension. But when we did, with Watt and Cousins centre mid then we saw a massive improvement.
Over the summer there will be players coming and going but my money will be on a higher finish than this season. Do yourself a favour on the Trust and try to look at where this is going before you kick off again about fees spent on Piotr or Tucudean. Your getting lost in the long grass of detail and in danger of becoming irrelevant.
For sure the club need to say more to fans but they are never going to engage with a group who spend their whole time criticising activities of 12 months back. They won't waste their time and they won't legitimise you. In fact sooner or later they will take a swipe at you and the Trust will be wiped out!
Ffs you're banging on about what I might have written six months back. You're like the forward standing offside walking back slowly and calling for the ball!
I don't know whether the ambition is to spend a lot or a little this summer but you might want to have a think before you continue with the criticism of the club and posters who call it as they see it.
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Post by squareball on Mar 10, 2015 9:47:30 GMT
The point is indeed being missed. Offering up YK sale and a so called gap being left in the squad as evidence of RD and his advisors flaws is ignoring the fact that our so called best players have been sold from under the noses of all our managers under all ownerships. So why RD ? Using Powell and YK adds up to nothing that hasn't happened before. Why RD?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 13:23:27 GMT
SR, get a grip man, my contribution to this thread before you started was to support Reams' view that Lennie deserved applause.
"Banging on about Powell" - ffs, was it me who started this thread or Reams? Was it me who related Powell to a fictional Supporters' Trust campaign, or was it you? Did I deflect this into a 'smoke and mirrors' rhetoric, or was it Nick? Did I raise the comparison to last year's squad, or did you ask me that direct question? Either Rick Everitt is irrelevant or he's not. Make up your mind.
No, your post isn't worthy of any debate. You continue to reduce the problem down to what's happening on the pitch. The issue is more than that. You were at the public meeting, you heard it for yourself, you said it yourself.
Or perhaps you were at the public meeting for a personal platform rather than out of concern - after all, you change your mind with the wind of every different batch of results. Or more to the point, every time something happens that causes another fatal blow to your 'it's all RD's strategy' nonsense.
Praise where it's due, criticism where it's due. Reams will be able to tell you that I'm happy to offer both, whilst retaining a level of caution over the contradictory messages the club is putting out. That's what the club and its supporters deserve, not a whimpering 'yes sir' because you've spotted a positive pattern in 4 coaches and nigh on 30 players in 12 months no-one else has observed.
Swathes of season ticket holders were absent at the otherwise sell-out Huddersfield game. If it's just about the results, why would they stay away? Who's asking and answering that question?
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