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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 1, 2015 0:28:35 GMT
We all know he won't which goes to show how misguided our fans of today are.
Lawrence moved to Charlton as reserve-team manager and was later promoted to full-time manager in 1982.
During his first few years in charge we were in a poor financial situation and came close to going out of business in 1984. Then came the Valley departure but despite this Lawrence not only kept us in the Second Division but gained promotion to the First Division in 1986 ending our 29-year absence from the top-flight.
With limited resources, he kept us at this level for four years, before being relegated in 1990.
The thanks he'll get is a ripple of applause, if that and to me that is very sad especially after what we saw today.
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Post by jonkool on Mar 1, 2015 1:29:58 GMT
Always gets a big hand from me and is up there alongside Curbs as best manager since Jimmy Seed!  |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Mar 1, 2015 2:38:31 GMT
I started following the club seriously under Lennie.
We'd never have achieved what we did under Curbs without the foundation and expectation level Amongst the fans created by LL.
LL - truly one of my life's heroes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 7:33:25 GMT
Lets not forget that Lawrence arguably saved Charlton as we know it - he kept us in the top flight of English football with no ground, no money, and 5,000 gates. Comparing his achievements to Powells is like comparing Professor Sir Stephen Hawking to Ben Hayes.
We all know the reason for the double standards though, don't we ?
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Post by muttleycafc on Mar 1, 2015 7:52:30 GMT
Lennie will get a great welcome I'm sure. It wont be at Powell levels for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Lennie's fantastic achievements were at a time when crowds were small and secondly he didn't leave us in the best way. Possibly thirdly, Powell shows a genuine empathy and affection with the fans. The tunnel jump is a bit silly but is ours and his and means something.
If it wasn't for Lennie, we might not have a club to support so I certainly appreciate him. Powell is more recent and more fans associate with him. I remember that left back in our Premier sides who fell in love with this club of ours - it was clear to most fans and that has created a bond. I also remember the pride when he was picked for England. As a long standing supporter, that meant a lot to me.
But it won't be double standards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 8:05:23 GMT
Lennie will get a great welcome I'm sure. It wont be at Powell levels for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Lennie's fantastic achievements were at a time when crowds were small and secondly he didn't leave us in the best way. Possibly thirdly, Powell shows a genuine empathy and affection with the fans. The tunnel jump is a bit silly but is ours and his and means something. If it wasn't for Lennie, we might not have a club to support so I certainly appreciate him. Powell is more recent and more fans associate with him. I remember that left back in our Premier sides who fell in love with this club of ours - it was clear to most fans and that has created a bond. I also remember the pride when he was picked for England. As a long standing supporter, that meant a lot to me. But it won't be double standards. Spot on  From me, Lennie will get the same sort of reception as I gave Powell. However, St Andrews in 1987 will never be surpassed imo, and I count myself lucky to have witnessed it. |
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Post by paperboy on Mar 1, 2015 9:51:08 GMT
Lennie Lawrence for me was truly a great manager. With very limited funds, he kept us in the old Div 2 and then built a promotion winning team. All this and having to relocate to another ground and keeping the team in the old Div 1 for four years is testament to the mans managerial skills. I hope he gets the reception on Tuesday night he richly deserves.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Mar 1, 2015 9:58:03 GMT
Of course he should, but a lot of the younger fans won't remember him, so time will be a problem.
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Post by canterburyaddick on Mar 1, 2015 9:59:23 GMT
Lets not forget that Lawrence arguably saved Charlton as we know it - he kept us in the top flight of English football with no ground, no money, and 5,000 gates. Comparing his achievements to Powells is like comparing Professor Sir Stephen Hawking to Ben Hayes. We all know the reason for the double standards though, don't we ? Enlighten me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 10:22:52 GMT
Perhaps some of these youngsters should read up a bit on the history of our club .They might find that the likes of Lennie and Curbs achieved more for Charlton its as the song goes "And if you know your history ".
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Post by muttleycafc on Mar 1, 2015 10:34:41 GMT
I was a ST Andrews too - I recall we were massively outnumbered and how intimidating an atmosphere it was. I remember running down the terrace and throwing my scarf at Bob Bolder - As did many others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 10:38:20 GMT
I was a ST Andrews too - I recall we were massively outnumbered and how intimidating an atmosphere it was. I remember running down the terrace and throwing my scarf at Bob Bolder - As did many others. Leeds got kept in to let us go. Approaching the Bull Ring, a load of Birmingham at the top of the road thought we were Leeds and xmas had come early. Discovered we were Charlton and gave us a cheer and said have a safe journey home..............true story.  |
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Post by muttleycafc on Mar 1, 2015 10:57:30 GMT
As I left the ground I remember a steward saying - run for your lives. lol
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Post by bexleyboy on Mar 1, 2015 10:58:23 GMT
Think Lennie deserves a bigger reception then Powell if I am honest.....only disappointment was that we could not give Riga the reception he deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 11:00:04 GMT
Think Lennie deserves a bigger reception then Powell if I am honest.....only disappointment was that we could not give Riga the reception he deserved. Perhaps our great leader can arrange a pre-season game here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 12:11:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 12:56:19 GMT
Lets not forget that Lawrence arguably saved Charlton as we know it - he kept us in the top flight of English football with no ground, no money, and 5,000 gates. Comparing his achievements to Powells is like comparing Professor Sir Stephen Hawking to Ben Hayes. We all know the reason for the double standards though, don't we ? Enlighten me. You know the reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:29:15 GMT
Enlighten me. You know the reason. Nope, I'm at a loss as well. Is it coz he is black? I think the comments about Powell's welcome are misguided. It's not just because he managed us for a couple of years, it's because of the player he was over three spells at the club, his clear love for Charlton and the mark of the man himself - he's one of the most genuinely nicest guys anyone would ever meet. He's a club legend. Lennie did well back in the 80s, exceptionally well (aided by Reams senior of course), and could very well be described as a legend too - but a fair proportion of our crowd wasn't even born then and it was a very different Charlton to that which Powell starred in as a player (and later managed). He also left us somewhat ignominiously, which I always felt sad about because I thought he and Charlton deserved better. I think Lennie deserves a welcome from the man on the mic and the crowd given the opportunity to cheer him - but it never ceases to amaze me that people think applauding one legend is somehow related to whether we should applaud another. |
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Post by russcoveredend on Mar 1, 2015 15:59:11 GMT
Lennie a true true legend should get a standing ovation for the whole game, 90mins of the whole game will never see the likes of him ever again,wot he went through defies belief a true legend and always with out doubt the best we ad at the valley (this is a true legend) I end my case
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Post by squareball on Mar 1, 2015 16:10:47 GMT
Lennie should do but of course he won't.
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Post by hongkongaddick on Mar 2, 2015 0:09:57 GMT
Chants of 'LL's red and white army' when we score?
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Post by niccharlton on Mar 2, 2015 6:46:28 GMT
Lennie brought John Humphrey to Charlton for this alone he should be a hero !
Lennie was boss when I went to games the most so will get good applause from me, to turn out the results he did with the resources he had was exceptional.
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Post by somerton on Mar 2, 2015 9:03:47 GMT
Lennie Lawrence always get abig cheer from me when he comes to the Valley. he is my favourite manager, I know not every supporter liked him but what he achieved under unbelievable circumstances for are club make him a legend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 18:49:54 GMT
Lennie Lawrence always get abig cheer from me when he comes to the Valley. he is my favourite manager, I know not every supporter liked him but what he achieved under unbelievable circumstances for are club make him a legend. Really? Who didn't like Lennie??? |
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Post by niccharlton on Mar 2, 2015 19:00:03 GMT
Forgot to mention he also gave Robert Lee his chance and look what a player he turned out to be.
I know its slightly off topic but i would rate the best managers as follows -
Curbs - years of top flight football in my lifetime
Lennie - the 1st and best of the 'houdini' managers
Jimmy Seed - would be higher in my rankings but before my time so never saw his Charlton play
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Post by iainment on Mar 3, 2015 15:34:20 GMT
Lennie always gets a resounding cheer from me. Without him there'd probably be no Charlton now,
Great Addicks hero.
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Post by valleyviper on Mar 3, 2015 22:05:15 GMT
Believe Lennie will get applause from our fans, he really is a legend, unlike others who claim legends only came into The Valley since the millenium.
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Post by reamsofverse on Mar 3, 2015 22:23:54 GMT
He was back at The Valley tonight Valleyviper as Forests no.2.
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Post by Guns Blazing on Mar 3, 2015 22:42:39 GMT
Number of people who didnt even stand up and give him a glance was depressing.
I'm far too young to remember him as a manager but I know my club's history.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 9:34:30 GMT
Number of people who didnt even stand up and give him a glance was depressing. I'm far too young to remember him as a manager but I know my club's history. He got a pretty decent reception from the west stand as he took his seat. |
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