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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 14:05:21 GMT
Just can't leave it alone can you? If he’s got any sense he’ll leave this site alone, as I intend to… I left this forum once before over a deleted thread…… I stated to you politely in this thread that you deleting non libel threads, spoils the forum for me…. After asking me to return to this forum, I asked you to consider something, and that was…. If you could not answer a question directly, you should realise that you probably didn’t have much of an argument to begin with…. Your inconsistencies in this thread, and the inability to answer a single point or question directly, has pissed me right off…. As for thinking that… "One or two people on here have a hidden agenda, an ulterior motive and I believe that it is to run this site into the ground" …..Is so absurd, you couldn’t begin to back it up…
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 20, 2009 14:38:35 GMT
Bit extreme?
I mean if we all left over a copy of things we did not like most sites would be dead
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 16:17:12 GMT
Bit extreme? I mean if we all left over a copy of things we did not like most sites would be dead What’s copy got to do with it??? If were talking about mere "copy" here, the thread in question would’ve remained, wouldn’t it? Has it ever occurred to you that some people value integrity, honesty & principles.... This thread shows up those that don't... According to Reams (the one we must not question) this site supposedly has posters trying to "run the site down"… As an administrator yourself, shouldn’t you be more concerned about that??
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 20, 2009 16:54:58 GMT
sorry couple please excuse me
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 17:03:15 GMT
I don't quite know why people find it difficult to understand but for their benefit I will say it again, the thread was deleted because an of inappropiate comments regarding Gary Glitter and an intothevalley member was being abused.
It is irrelevant that the direction of the thread was aimed at CL, the fact is the person it was aimed at is also a member on here so that constitutes an intothevalley member being abused.
Surely the place to question Henry Irving's lack of feedback from the Q&A evening (if you deemed it his duty to let us all know in the first place which it obviously is not the case) is infact the place where his thread originated and that was CL, why feel the need to attack him on intothevalley?, nobody on here appeared interested in what went on on the night otherwise a thread would have been started on here surely. Furthermore could reddyfreddy have not put a thread on here asking if anybody went along and if so what was said? My belief is that if he was that interested then yes he could have so was the thread he did post done with the intention of a personal attack on Henry Irving? We'll never know because I deleted it before we could all find out, is that so wrong?
reddyfreddy's thread then raised questions from HongKongAddick and Henry himself as to why Charlton fans felt the need to argue amongst themselves and commented how sad it was which I happened to agree with and then what followed next was the GG comments, light hearted I know between two pals but still not the kind of material I want on here.
So all in all I think I had enough reason there to pull the plug, from first post to last it's not what I wanted to read and im sure I speak for many others and before I have posts saying who am I to speak for the rest of you, you all agreed to the following when you joined and the highlighted parts are what I feel have been contravened.
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 17:52:44 GMT
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane"
And you'e never written a false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane post in your life, have you Reams?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 17:58:54 GMT
Not about an Intothevalley forum member I haven't no, people in the outside world yes but im yet to see a rule book on that one so I think that concludes this debate.
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 18:01:44 GMT
sorry couple please excuse me You meant couple.... OK! Thanks for answering that, but I did ask you another perfectly clear question after my answer to "copy".... Which I noticed you ignored…
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 18:16:11 GMT
Not about an Intothevalley forum member I haven't no, people in the outside world yes but im yet to see a rule book on that one so I think that concludes this debate. No it doesn't conclude anything... In this thread alone, you've made a "false" statement that one or two Intothevalley forum members are trying to run this site into the ground" ... Care to back that up?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 18:26:06 GMT
Would you like to prove it's false as you put it?
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 18:38:48 GMT
Would you like to prove it's false as you put it? Because if you thought that was the case, these one or two people you brought up, surely would have been warned by e-mail, even banned... Am I right in thinking that these one or two people haven't been?.... You made the original statement....Back it up. Whose do you think is doing that and why?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 19:04:51 GMT
Come on now optimist, you come across as an intelligent bloke, you must surely know that I cannot discuss confidential information, what I will say is those responsible are being monitored however infrequent they post on here with infrequent being the operative word as I hope it puts yours and reddyfreddy's mind at rest.
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 19:48:59 GMT
I know I come across as intelligent, because without blowing my own trumpet, people throughout my life have always told me that… Shame you didn’t respect that intelligence with an honest answer to me in the first place… Giving me the GG nonsense as your reason, then telling Reddy a whole different reason later??? My intelligence also leads me to think that your not being entirely truthful yet again, because if that statement you made, was not directed at people closer to home, why bring it into this thread in the first place….?
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 20:20:09 GMT
optimist I don't have to explain my actions to anybody to be honest, I I feel I need to delete a thread I'll delete it, end of.
In the three years I have been running forums I think I have only ever deleted half a dozen threads so that should prove that I am not a whistle happy administrator.
As for the other part of your thread it doesn't matter a member of this site posts rarely, occasionally or frequently the rules are the same and all threads are monitored and I bought it into the thread as a nice little informal reminder to those involved.
Now you can choose to believe that or not it's up to you it won't change a thing but I really do question your motives here in your continuation of this thread in front of an audience, just exactly why are you choosing this route when you have my e-mail address in the event that you need something clearing up?
I deleted a thread I haven't become a Palace fan - get over it!
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Post by optimist on Oct 20, 2009 21:04:59 GMT
optimist I don't have to explain my actions to anybody to be honest, I I feel I need to delete a thread I'll delete it, end of.
I really do question your motives here in your continuation of this thread But you did choose to explain your actions, then went onto contradict yourself? My "motive" as you put it, is simply to get to the truth… I don‘t like being treated as some idiot who is told one thing, only to read something completely different later, within the same thread… So yes taking part in an honest forum is important to me…. I admire integrity… Get over that!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 21:41:17 GMT
optimist your still in an empty room mate, have a look around you in this thread there hasn't been a sole who has commented on this matter in the past 24 hours apart from you and reddyfreddy.
If you want to take part in an honest forum the floor is yours, there's plenty of conversation going on in other topics so why not indulge rather than trying to convince me in this one that I was wrong which isn't going to happen.
This really is the last im going to say on the matter.
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Post by bingaddick on Oct 20, 2009 21:57:35 GMT
Well well, I have been away for a few days and all hell is let loose.
I live in Norwich and can't get to these meetings. So it's tough on those who can't go. All this anger directed at Henry Irving may in RF's view be justified but heres a couple of points
1. HI organises these meetings. He doesn't have to. He advertises them widely, he doesn't have to, he tries to give feedback from most meetings.
2. Lennie has done previous meetings (City Addicks being one) where he stated that some/much of what he was prepared to say was "off the record". I suspect that was the case for this meeting. Thus, whilst it erks those of us not ITK, that some people are ITK, there is f*ck all we can do about it. (Oh and by the way the info from these types of meetings always leaks out, it's the way it's mean't to happen)
As for moderating this site, Reams and I don't always see eye to eye on issues but I applaud him for getting off his backside and creating this out of nothing. (I know there were earlier sites) but this one he set up himself. I post here from time to time because I'm interested in all things Charlton and it's nice to debate.
Moderating a site is not easy. Too much of a love in/clique puts off those who don't think they are part of it. Too much cyber-warrior can destroy sites as macho posters force everybody to dance to their tunes. Sometimes I guess you have to make a quick judgement, whether to moderate by response, by deleting posts, or sometimes deleting threads. Perhaps sometimes decisions that are made which may be regretted in hindsight. - C'est La Vie!
RF I sense a huge feeling of the injustice of not having been heard has poured out onto the screen. I feel like that sometimes. There is nothing worse than posting about something that winds you up, only to find it escalating and then to have a line drawn when things weren't finished. However you made your point, Reams has his reasons. You don't have to agree with them but hey, he runs this site and he's done what he's done for the reasons he has given.
There is now only one remedy, it's the same in every "club" which has members, if you don't like the rules or the ruler, then you can always find a club that does meet your needs.
Personally I hope you have a few beers, chill and stay.
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 20, 2009 22:03:15 GMT
Excellent post bingaddick, I was hoping somebody would come along and give a sensible neutral opinion and you have just done it.
Reddyfreddy/optimist I reiterate it was nothing personal, I don't like deleting threads as my track record suggests, it wasn't done for my benefit, but that of the forum.
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Post by optimist on Oct 21, 2009 7:52:49 GMT
optimist your still in an empty room mate, have a look around you in this thread there hasn't been a sole who has commented on this matter in the past 24 hours apart from you and reddyfreddy.If you want to take part in an honest forum the floor is yours, there's plenty of conversation going on in other topics so why not indulge rather than trying to convince me in this one that I was wrong which isn't going to happen.This really is the last im going to say on the matter. Unless a post like Bing's comes along... So what if nobody else has commented… Nobody has commented on heart felt things I written about Charlton either… So what! Should I stop saying what I think is important because of that??? Well it’s fairly obvious getting to the truth is not going to happen regarding you, but then the thread speaks for itself…. As for trying to coax me into posting about other things… I have made many friendly attempts to see why you lied to me, in this one… You “don’t have to answer” has been your response all along… My response to your question is…. I can’t be arsed!
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 21, 2009 7:59:40 GMT
Right have not read this threda 100% but it all started with a deleted thread which has upset some people.
Take into account the time this place has be running the amount of deleted threads dont think we even get close to double figures.
So i think its time to forget and move on and get back to the day to day banter and CAFC talk.
Dont want to harp on about CL but threads are sunk at a alarming rate on a day to day basis, many are closed or deleted and people are pounced on for not being in the clique.
So come on guys lets move on
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Post by optimist on Oct 21, 2009 8:25:01 GMT
Right have not read this threda 100% but it all started with a deleted thread which has upset some people. Take into account the time this place has be running the amount of deleted threads dont think we even get close to double figures. So i think its time to forget and move on and get back to the day to day banter and CAFC talk. Dont want to harp on about CL but threads are sunk at a alarming rate on a day to day basis, many are closed or deleted and people are pounced on for not being in the clique. So come on guys lets move on LB did you come up with this by yourself? Truth please?? Doesn’t matter how many threads have been deleted… The reasons given about doing so with this one & one of mine a while back, then contradicted, are what sticks in my throat… Your admin, and you haven’t bothered to read it all???
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 21, 2009 8:46:01 GMT
erm yes I did I might not be the brightest around but I’m not anyone’s puppet
I might be admin but its Pauls site and what Pauls says goes whether I agree or not.
TBH I may be logged in all the time but I only quickly browse if and when I can, as you might be able to tell by some of my basic errors which I had to explain later with comments like my manager was around. Also this place really has not needed much policing at all which is great really if you compare it to most sites
My role is very basic and I will only ever delete if things get personal and childish and I mean extreme not like hearted banter or like in one case someone joined who posted a link to a virus, that’s the type of stuff I will get involved with.
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Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 21, 2009 9:56:20 GMT
Excellent post bingaddick, I was hoping somebody would come along and give a sensible neutral opinion and you have just done it. Reddyfreddy/optimist I reiterate it was nothing personal, I don't like deleting threads as my track record suggests, it wasn't done for my benefit, but that of the forum. The cavalry arriving in the shape of bingaddick's post. Nah!! He speaks sense...everybody does on this thread except...err have you by chance got a mirror handy...? Nope I "can't leave it alone". And again you don't answer any point. WTF is your issue Jeez I missed a bit of a ding-dong exchange yesterday with a lot of reasonable, precise points put forward by optimist and some excellent if but predictable maneuvering by you Reams to skirt and spin around every fuuckin' issue being raised. A literary ballet masterclass!! A life as an M.P. awaits you Reamsy lad. Never give a straight answer when a load of bullshit will suffice. Wonderful! lol The fact is Reams you're stubborn as hell and have been backed into a corner by both myself and optimist and refuse to be seen to lose face. Would that be it? Anyway at least you haven't deleted this thread YET in a fit of pique! Fook me where did that go? I'm calling Jeremy Kyle show for a lie detector test...when are you free?? C'mon now if you me and optimist were standing at the bar of a pub and you said that people are trying to run this site into the ground...do you really think you'd get away with the responses you're giving here. In fact ANY of the responses??? Course not! People being monitored LMAO Oh dear whatever next...aliens? In fact I'm pretty convinced you're not that big a pr*ck and I'm putting your attitude down to the reasons given and optimist I think mate you should do the same. Curiously Reams you say if anybody was interested in the content of the meeting there would have been a post on here asking or commenting...there was, MINE!! Asking if anybody went is entirely a different question. Why don't you understand that? You suggested I post on CL. Why should I post on CL when I'm not a member nor wish to be? Anyhow, you have numerous occasions made comments about the CL site and it's members, so why now be critical. You're constantly contradicting yourself in your twists and turns. Optimist has pointed this out and others on this site can equally see it without needing to visit this "empty room" to actually partake in the discussion. Perhaps the voyeurism aspect is enthralling enough to other members? Also when you refer to abuse of a fellow member it again is rubbish. Compare what I said to your attacks on Murray and the board which have at times been vitriolic to the extreme, as to be bordering on criminal!! Shameful ain't the word! Hiding behind the "T&C's" for running this site is a poor show and merely serves as a convenience to you. Of course I don't expect you to agree, in much the same way as I now know you'll never answer a straight question, and you'll delete what you want, when you want cos it's your toy ner ner ner ner ner You've even admitted you were wrong about GG and in fact it was the "abuse" that caused the deletion, but yesterday you're back to saying you saw GG as good reason to delete the thread...to and fro, to and fro. You shall be judged in Forum Heaven or Hell Reams and optimist and I have influence there. Won't say which one...we're monitoring them though. Other than that..Good Morning all.
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Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 21, 2009 10:30:40 GMT
Right have not read this threda 100% but it all started with a deleted thread which has upset some people. Take into account the time this place has be running the amount of deleted threads dont think we even get close to double figures. So i think its time to forget and move on and get back to the day to day banter and CAFC talk. Dont want to harp on about CL but threads are sunk at a alarming rate on a day to day basis, many are closed or deleted and people are pounced on for not being in the clique. So come on guys lets move on LB too right the thread upset and some people are pissed-off, me for one and optimist for another. So why should we move on? ? This topic is more important to me than any other right now and I want answers! If everybody had an insipid attitude and moved on nothing would ever be achieved in life. Don't you understand that the fact is Reams is failing to conduct himself in a manner that should reflect what I feel and perhaps others feel is integrity, transparency, consistency as the administrator/moderator of this site. I believe in values and those being displayed at present are below those that one would expect. So you LB might shrug your shoulders and walk away in much the same way as you might leave a broken glass bottle on a beach that someone else had left, whereas I would clear it up. It comes down to values mate. Perhaps optimist will back me on this, but that's what is driving this point now!
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Post by reamsofverse on Oct 21, 2009 13:29:29 GMT
Grow up!!
optimist didn't put forward alot of good points at all because up until the thread got deleted he wasn't even involved in it!!
We have a thread at the moment, this one to be precise that I feel is contributing to the forum being quiet again today so that's it....end of, you either move on or find your membership being terminated.
Spoiling enjoyment for others is a definite no, no im afraid.
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Post by optimist on Oct 21, 2009 16:56:13 GMT
Grow up!! optimist didn't put forward alot of good points at all because up until the thread got deleted he wasn't even involved in it!! I was involved in the original thread, as I made the second or third post to it... I wouldn’t expect you to think that I made any good points here…You've avoided answering a single one directly…. I doubt you even know why I’m pissed off, and quite frankly after many polite efforts in trying to convey that to you, I now no longer care…
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Post by leftbehind on Oct 21, 2009 17:14:33 GMT
come on people time to move on
Life is too short
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Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 21, 2009 21:14:35 GMT
Grow up!! optimist didn't put forward alot of good points at all because up until the thread got deleted he wasn't even involved in it!! We have a thread at the moment, this one to be precise that I feel is contributing to the forum being quiet again today so that's it....end of, you either move on or find your membership being terminated. Spoiling enjoyment for others is a definite no, no im afraid. "you either move on or find your membership being terminated."WTF? If someone said that to you would you accept it. No you wouldn't!! Sorry but where is the correlation between this and the site being quiet? And how do we terminate your membership for spoiling our fun? Oh we can't can we, because it's YOUR site and YOUR rules!!! Well frankly I don't give a toss Reams because, you, by this threat, have really shown your true colours and it's highly unlikely from hereon that I wish to have much further to do with you. But go on... make yourself look important and "terminate" my membership. It will bring the others who dare cross Reams into line, eh? You're wrong yet again, because optimist I recall made two early posts on the thread but in your haste to please HenryIrving & Co in deleting the thread, you obviously hadn't bothered to digest what in fact the thread contained. However I was referring to the points he was putting across to you in his posts yesterday. Oh hum! So go ahead and bar me (as if after all this I care) and show everybody what a great administrator you are and try find a good explanation. Spoiling other peoples fun...yeah right! What a load of bollox!! Whoops swearing...there ya go, given you an excuse! Oh by the way...you still haven't answered any questions or that of optimist. Just threats now to myself and him from you! You are guilty of bringing the forum into disrepute mate not myself or optimist.
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Post by reddyfreddy on Oct 21, 2009 21:48:46 GMT
The thing with you Reams is what you have achieved here is a) pisssing-off two regular posters in myself and optimist b) probably pissed-off others as well who have read the thread. Don't just assume that people support you Reams.
Why don't you read back through your posts and just see how many times you have contradicted yourself and changed your position?
Perhaps then you'll get a handle on this and why I am mystified by your entire actions throughout. Why you can't answer a question is weird!
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