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Post by reamsofverse on May 24, 2008 12:54:50 GMT
The rev has posted another thread eleswhere on here calling for a return of National Service which I agree with but I also say bring back the death penalty too and do it now. We are far too soft over here all you have to do is watch any of the sky documentaries that show crime in the States whether it is carried out on humans or animals, they do not mess around you go to jail and that is it no bottling it by the Police or court judges. 10 years means 10 years over there and not letting criminals out after 5 only to reoffend. Bastards who did this I say let them hang.  news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7418311.stm |
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Post by leftbehind on May 24, 2008 17:41:56 GMT
getting beyond a joke now
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Post by bingaddick on May 26, 2008 18:46:53 GMT
Sorry Reams, terrible and senseless though this murder is, I don't hold with the death penalty. If you take the USA for example, States like Texas which has very tough laws and excutes many has some of the highest murder rates. So what conclusions can you draw from that. The number of murders over here year on year is relatively stable and most are committed by people who are aquainted with one another. Should there be tough/tougher sentences for crimes of violence, possibly, but not State sponsored killing?
Take the case of the Guildford Four, for example, they would have received the death penalty if we'd had it, no doubt in my mind. So like Evans who was falsely executed for the murders committed by Christie, we would have been in the position of offering them a postumous pardon. Marvellous.
So if we have to, then tougher/longer sentences for murder is a better option for me: although personally I'd rather see sentences which were based around restitution to the victims or the victims families, rather than retribution of which the death penalty is a final and irreversable option.
There is of course virtually no chance of bringing it back as it is one of the conditions of our membership of the EU that we do not have it as a punishment so constitutionally we can't have it and be a member. I can't see us leaving the EU anytime soon.
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Post by DFT on May 27, 2008 10:49:30 GMT
Who says the Guildford 4 are actually innocent though?
I don't think the Christie/Evans argument stands up with todays DNA and advanced evidence gaining procedures. An eye for an eye I say but lethal, painless injection not any barbaric method of execution
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2008 11:15:47 GMT
agree with you both DFT and Reams , times have moved on with DNA etc, 20 years min for murder with a knife / gun. Whats the deal with possession ? maybe a min sentance of 10 years for possession should come into place ?
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Post by erikbloodaxe on May 27, 2008 12:04:19 GMT
I agree too, even if capital punishment doesn't reduce the amount of murders it will save the tax payer money and get rid of a piece of scum!
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Post by reamsofverse on May 27, 2008 14:51:43 GMT
The law in this country has gone soft im afraid and the likes of that wanker Jack Straw make their name by refusing the likes of the Kray twins and Ronnie Biggs parole just to look good amongst law and order when they are failing in every other aspect of it.
They were/are old men with little risk to the society if freed yet were/are kept behind bars whilst modern day criminals receive a paltry 10 years, out in 5 for committing the same modern day crimes.
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Post by bingaddick on May 27, 2008 15:00:30 GMT
Who says the Guildford 4 are actually innocent though? I don't think the Christie/Evans argument stands up with todays DNA and advanced evidence gaining procedures. An eye for an eye I say but lethal, painless injection not any barbaric method of execution The Guildford Four may have done it. That is irrelevant. The facts are that evidence was produced at their appeal which made the convictions totally unsafe, so much so that they were aquitted and did not even have to face a re-trial. As for the DNA point, this kind of evidence is only available in a fraction of cases. Most cases rely on other kinds of evidence, such as other forensic information - oh like the evidence given at the Guildforfd Four trial which said that they had been handling plastic explosive and then it was later conceded at the Appeal that the residue found on their hands could have come from playing cards! I'm sorry, there is no such thing as foolproof evidence. Even DNA evidence is potentially open to contamination at the scene of crime. All evidence is capable of being fabricated. When passions run high, when heinous murders have taken place, that is the most dangerous time for miscarriages of justice to occur. |
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Post by bingaddick on May 27, 2008 15:14:30 GMT
the likes of that wanker Jack Straw make their name by refusing the likes of the Kray twins and Ronnie Biggs parole just to look good amongst law and order when they are failing in every other aspect of it. There we do agree |
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Post by ExeterAddick on May 27, 2008 15:40:31 GMT
personally i'd rather see 100 murderers keep their lives than see one inncocent man sentenced to death. Unfortunately that's the risk you face if you reintroduce the death penalty. Capital punishment assumes infallibility of human judgement, which is something that doesn't exist.
i'd rather see life actually mean life and prisons made into less of a holiday camp. Death would be a walk in the park compared to years of constant misery locked in a cell, surely?
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Post by DFT on May 27, 2008 16:44:41 GMT
The Guildford Four may have done it. That is irrelevant. Is that right? Well let me tell you this, I would gladly push the button, trip the switch or inject the poison to kill every IRA bastard, they are all guilty! |
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Post by reamsofverse on May 27, 2008 16:52:39 GMT
Here Here dft they were and always will be the scum of the earth and they did not stop at humans either they even reverted to Shergar and I would give what ever they wanted to come face to face with the bastard who killed him.
I know this cannot be compared to the loss of human life and I don't make it out to be but they were cowards the lot of them and I hope that every one of them who got a bullet through the head from our boys died a painful death.
Strong comments I know but I would have done voluntary National service to get at those bastards.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2008 17:59:04 GMT
did you know, the IRA killed Shergar with a machine gun, the horse bled to death which took over 20 mins,,, there you go ,,, as for the bollox your coming out with bingaddick , what would you do if your son or daughter was killed by a knife , say slashed throat , or stabbed through the heart , bled to death in your arms ?? get real these scum need to be banged away for a long long time
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Post by reamsofverse on May 27, 2008 19:19:30 GMT
Sorry andy although I read the same story on Shergar I dont believe that slant on it even if it is because I choose not to, it's a terrible thought.
I feel very strongly about this matter I loved the horse and met him at Chester when he was in the early days of becoming a superstar and I don't mind saying I fell in love with him there and then, when he was taken I felt like it happened to a close friend.
Even to this day it saddens me and angers me to the extent where Id love to get my hands on the bastard who did it.
Derek Thompson who was involved in the negotiations with the kidnappers was in my home town 2 months ago and he opened the new William Hill here.
I was as bold as brass when chatting to him afterwards and he still gets people telling him that they know where Shergar is laid to rest when he's over in Ireland on promotion work but they always stop short on saying exactly where.
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Post by bingaddick on May 27, 2008 20:10:48 GMT
did you know, the IRA killed Shergar with a machine gun, the horse bled to death which took over 20 mins,,, there you go ,,, as for the bollox your coming out with bingaddick , what would you do if your son or daughter was killed by a knife , say slashed throat , or stabbed through the heart , bled to death in your arms ?? get real these scum need to be banged away for a long long time Read my posts again before accusing me of spouting bollox. I did not say these people should not be put away for a long time. I just am not in favour of the death penalty for the reasons stated. I have two children and I would be devastated if that happened to my kids. Before the red mist decends, look at the dignity shown by the parents of the lad in Lee or the parents of Robert Knox. I would hope to act with the same dignity they have shown. |
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Post by erikbloodaxe on May 27, 2008 20:31:51 GMT
What about the horse killed by them scumbags ridden by the Guards, Sefton I think...blown to bits.
I think all terrorists should face the death penalty
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2008 20:49:23 GMT
in that case me ol matey i have no dignity , the first thing id want is revenge, in fact id be happy to strangle the very last breath out of thier low life body , sorry thats the person i am not left wing, not right , an eye for and eye etc ! the punishment should meet the crime and 5 years in nick for murder isnt a punishment !
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Post by bingaddick on May 27, 2008 21:13:16 GMT
5 years in nick for murder isnt a punishment ! I agree with that. I also think that punishment needs to be skewed in favour of the victims so that the scumbag's have to face those who they have wronged and makesome form of restitution to them. |
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Post by TheRevHansUpskirt on May 28, 2008 7:50:15 GMT
What about the horse killed by them scumbags ridden by the Guards, Sefton I think...blown to bits. I think all terrorists should face the death penalty Not getting involved in the debate but Sefton actualy survived to a ripe old age, living very happily in a horse sanctuary. |
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Post by CharltonDan on May 28, 2008 9:49:13 GMT
Its a horse for gods sake......
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Post by DFT on May 28, 2008 14:29:31 GMT
The Household Cavalry - 7 Horses died, 3 survived
A sad day in the Regiment's history is 20 July 1982.
On this day, the IRA were responsible for a car-bomb attack on
The Queen's Life Guard, as it proceeded along the side of Hyde Park,
on its way to Horse Guards.
Four men were killed:
Captain Daly, SCpl Bright, L/Cpl Young, and Tpr Tipper.
CoH Pitt (the Guard commander) subsequently received
the BEM for his actions at the scene of the blast.
The horses that died were: Cedric, Epaulette, Falcon, Rochester,
Waterford, Yeastvite, and Zara - three other horses were injured,
but subsequently recovered.
To this day, each time The Queen's Life Guard pass the spot where
the bomb was detonated, they bring their swords down from
the "slope" to the "carry" - coupled with an "eyes left" or "eyes right"
- as a mark of ongoing tribute.
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Post by reamsofverse on May 28, 2008 14:34:41 GMT
I share your views on animals totally dft, they do not harm anybody unlike some of the human scum on this earth.
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Post by DFT on May 28, 2008 14:36:09 GMT
Its a horse for gods sake...... Oh I see, so animals don't deserve the same rights as humans then? Sorry pal, I care about animals and a lot more than I care about most of the humans on this earth! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2008 13:57:50 GMT
bit naughty dan ,,, must admit, i do eat animals, rights for them tho ? my dog has the right to a kick up the arse when its nicked my dinner off the kitchen tabel !
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