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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 15, 2024 14:17:38 GMT
Also, despite Methven demanding that we have to pay high ticket prices if we want success, the current prices will not entice ‘old regular’ fans to come along and have a look.
I don’t, personally, see how this ends well for Methven. I don’t think he has delivered on the pitch and I suspect that hasn’t delivered what he told the owners he would - in terms of income and performance/outcome against the wage budget.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 15, 2024 15:02:34 GMT
Also, despite Methven demanding that we have to pay high ticket prices if we want success, the current prices will not entice ‘old regular’ fans to come along and have a look. I don’t, personally, see how this ends well for Methven. I don’t think he has delivered on the pitch and I suspect that hasn’t delivered what he told the owners he would - in terms of income and performance/outcome against the wage budget. I am neither a fan nor a critic of Methven but unless I am mistaken his remit within the club is all about the off field club revenues growing and on his podcast in August he stated our revenue had increased from 9 million to 13 million……He also stated on that podcast that he has no influence at all over the onfield decisions made within the club… Success on the field and performance / outcome against the wage bill surely is down to Rodwell, Scott and Jones and I would think this is where the serious conversations are/should be happening…..not that we would probably ever find out about these as we don’t hear anything from our American owners……. Happy to be advised otherwise but I don’t think we can lump all our on field problems on CM…. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 15, 2024 15:05:12 GMT
Also, despite Methven demanding that we have to pay high ticket prices if we want success, the current prices will not entice ‘old regular’ fans to come along and have a look. I don’t, personally, see how this ends well for Methven. I don’t think he has delivered on the pitch and I suspect that hasn’t delivered what he told the owners he would - in terms of income and performance/outcome against the wage budget. Methven doesn't run the footballing side, so I'm not sure how he will take the blame on that part. It sounds like he's increased our revenues quite significantly. It's the footballing side which needs the attention. The budget for that side needs questioning, which will involve Methven, but the real issue is what we are spending the budget on. I worry about how much we're paying the likes of Berry, Doc, A. Campbell etc who have played at a higher division and agreed to join us. Are they on significant wages? Berry aside (not all the time though), they've not exactly shown that they were playing higher up before. If this continues then we're stuck with a good % of our budget on players we'll never be able to get rid of. Like Aneke. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 15, 2024 15:08:37 GMT
Also, despite Methven demanding that we have to pay high ticket prices if we want success, the current prices will not entice ‘old regular’ fans to come along and have a look. I don’t, personally, see how this ends well for Methven. I don’t think he has delivered on the pitch and I suspect that hasn’t delivered what he told the owners he would - in terms of income and performance/outcome against the wage budget. Methven doesn't run the footballing side, so I'm not sure how he will take the blame on that part. It sounds like he's increased our revenues quite significantly. It's the footballing side which needs the attention. The budget for that side needs questioning, which will involve Methven, but the real issue is what we are spending the budget on. I worry about how much we're paying the likes of Berry, Doc, A. Campbell etc who have played at a higher division and agreed to join us. Are they on significant wages? Berry aside (not all the time though), they've not exactly shown that they were playing higher up before. If this continues then we're stuck with a good % of our budget on players we'll never be able to get rid of. Like Aneke. Blimey mate…..you read my mind 🤣 I am also confused as to our top 4 budget when we brought in the initial 7 players after around 15 player wages were removed from the books over the summer…..The sums didn’t add up for me at the time and still don’t add up unless we are paying way over the odds for very average players 🤔🤔 |
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 15, 2024 15:41:19 GMT
Also, despite Methven demanding that we have to pay high ticket prices if we want success, the current prices will not entice ‘old regular’ fans to come along and have a look. I don’t, personally, see how this ends well for Methven. I don’t think he has delivered on the pitch and I suspect that hasn’t delivered what he told the owners he would - in terms of income and performance/outcome against the wage budget. Methven doesn't run the footballing side, so I'm not sure how he will take the blame on that part. It sounds like he's increased our revenues quite significantly. It's the footballing side which needs the attention. The budget for that side needs questioning, which will involve Methven, but the real issue is what we are spending the budget on. I worry about how much we're paying the likes of Berry, Doc, A. Campbell etc who have played at a higher division and agreed to join us. Are they on significant wages? Berry aside (not all the time though), they've not exactly shown that they were playing higher up before. If this continues then we're stuck with a good % of our budget on players we'll never be able to get rid of. Like Aneke. Unless I’ve misunderstood it Methven approached the investors/owners and advised them that he could introduce them to a club where they could achieve success with limited investment. That hasn’t happened. Methven likes to tell everyone he doesn’t have anything to do with the footballing side, ironically, while we are doing badly. However, he suggested on his recent podcast that he was, personally, responsible for Sunderland being on the top of the Championship. He can’t have it both ways. Methven says that he is in charge of the whole club - all be it not responsible for the footballing side. If his first statement is true, and I seriously doubt that the investors will see it any differently, then he is responsible for those that choose the team, or the manager, or those that choose the manager. I.e. the buck stops at the top. I think Methven led the investors to believe that with the changes in SCMP, which, admittedly, could still happen, and the fact that the club will have a bigger wage bill, due to our size, success was a formality. Methven put together the SMT so he is responsible for that. It is clearly not working. I cannot see anyway that Methven can avoid taking some responsibility for the fact that the investors have spend millions and millions of pounds and the club has gone backwards. Just my view, of course. I could be wrong and things could change on the pitch before the owners decide to address it. |
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Post by Mundell on Nov 15, 2024 16:50:48 GMT
While discussions around revenues, budget priorities, and the sale of academy players are valid, the core issue remains: the outdated football philosophy is failing to attract the floating Charlton fan base to attend games at the Valley. The combination of ineffective strategies—such as “Jones ball,” “Garner ball,” and “Adkins ball”—along with poor player scouting and mismanagement of funds by the current manager and his predecessors, has created a downward spiral. For instance, we had two proven winners and exceptional League 1 players in May and Dobson, both of whom could have been retained and utilized effectively. Instead of building on this foundation with the available summer funds, the leadership opted to dismantle the blueprint, making ill-advised decisions that are now painfully evident in the club’s current state. This lack of foresight and strategic planning underscores the ongoing issues that need urgent attention if the club is to move forward. Additionally, Jones and his dinosaur football along side the players recruited will never be good enough for top 6. Historical attendance data doesnt show that attractive football will attract the floating Charlton fan. In our promotion year we had a decent style under Bowyer but look at the attendances. Luton was ok bolstered by a large away following. As I posted before we have the running costs and obvs rent for a stadium that is rarely more than two thirds full even in the championship. That isnt a great investment proposition. Decent football and league position helps but its why I will never criticise any effort made to attract a new generation of fan Sat 30 Mar 2019 Bradford City 11,630 Sat 13 Apr 2019 Luton Town 16,449 Mon 22 Apr 2019 Scunthorpe United 11,973 Sat 4 May 2019 Rochdale 12,705 Fri 17 May 2019 Doncaster Rovers 25,428 Sun 26 May 2019 Sunderland 76,155 That data is a useful reminder and I agree with your conclusion. Playing attractive football would have almost no impact on attendances. Winning games and challenging for promotion might, but even that would barely move the needle. To put this in perspective, let’s suppose that Methven’s £3m increase in revenues versus last season is a fair like for like comparison (it might not be). That’s equivalent to an increase in average attendances over a twenty three game season of circa 6,500 fans paying £20 each. Broady speaking, the club has two related but fundamentally independent objectives. They are to achieve success on the pitch with a budget equal to around sixty percent of turnover and to increase turnover. For those who want to believe otherwise, I’ll repeat that I’m not saying this is right or wrong, just that I think it’s what’s going on. It is self evident that the current problem (for all we know the investors might view it as an abject failure) is that we appear to be spending the available budget badly and that the coaching of the First team squad is simply awful. We can argue about the weight we might attach to each. We might ask what the investors are thinking? What’s their motivation. Who knows, but I’ll speculate with some extreme numbers. They’ve each invested a small part of their portfolio (or net worth) in the belief that if all goes well they could multiply that many times. Already most revenues do not come from those who attend matches. That could become an exponential trend. On a 10-20 year view the investors might think Charlton could be worth £500m or more. There’s a problem though. Football is a negative cash flow business. If you’re not careful you can sink a lot of cash and end up with an asset that’s worth less than what you paid for it. Even Duchatelet blew £50m and, save for a few hundreds of thousands of pounds in rent, he still hasn’t got a penny back. Without some kind of discipline the investors could sink £100m and go precisely nowhere. There’s a real incentive to build slowly and sustainably. I’d personally be much happier if we’d been bought by the UAE or PIF (I know lots of fans wouldn’t be), but we are where we are. As I’ve said before, it’s Rodwell, Scott and Jones who’ll be heading for the Tower if things don’t improve. Methven brought them in, of course, and so is ultimately responsible. For now though I suspect he’s safe from the gallows. |
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Post by scabbyhorse on Nov 15, 2024 17:22:47 GMT
Looking back at last season, despite the challenges discussed, the squad had a strong foundation with players like May, Dobson, Coventry, Taylor, L. Jones, TC, Ramsey, Small, and Leaburn—all of whom are more than capable at League 1 level. The team only needed a couple of creative midfielders, alongside the additions of Edwards and Mitchell, and a dominant center-back. Supplementing this with a few Premier League loan players could have positioned the team strongly.
The depth provided by players such as Anderson, Kanu, Edmonds-Green, and Edun further added to the potential. However, hindsight is a wonderful thing. Instead, the faith was placed in Jones and his philosophy, with the hope of replicating his success at Luton. This approach seemed misguided given his previous struggles at Stoke and Southampton, where his high-energy, front-footed, trollop tactics failed to deliver.
Additionally, his failure to retain two of the best players in League 1 compounded the team's challenges. While the Senior Management Team (SMT) bears some responsibility, the bulk of the blame ultimately falls on Jones for failing to adapt and implement a strategy suited to the squad's strengths.
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 15, 2024 17:44:34 GMT
Methven doesn't run the footballing side, so I'm not sure how he will take the blame on that part. It sounds like he's increased our revenues quite significantly. It's the footballing side which needs the attention. The budget for that side needs questioning, which will involve Methven, but the real issue is what we are spending the budget on. I worry about how much we're paying the likes of Berry, Doc, A. Campbell etc who have played at a higher division and agreed to join us. Are they on significant wages? Berry aside (not all the time though), they've not exactly shown that they were playing higher up before. If this continues then we're stuck with a good % of our budget on players we'll never be able to get rid of. Like Aneke. Unless I’ve misunderstood it Methven approached the investors/owners and advised them that he could introduce them to a club where they could achieve success with limited investment. That hasn’t happened. Methven likes to tell everyone he doesn’t have anything to do with the footballing side, ironically, while we are doing badly. However, he suggested on his recent podcast that he was, personally, responsible for Sunderland being on the top of the Championship. He can’t have it both ways. Methven says that he is in charge of the whole club - all be it not responsible for the footballing side. If his first statement is true, and I seriously doubt that the investors will see it any differently, then he is responsible for those that choose the team, or the manager, or those that choose the manager. I.e. the buck stops at the top. I think Methven led the investors to believe that with the changes in SCMP, which, admittedly, could still happen, and the fact that the club will have a bigger wage bill, due to our size, success was a formality. Methven put together the SMT so he is responsible for that. It is clearly not working. I cannot see anyway that Methven can avoid taking some responsibility for the fact that the investors have spend millions and millions of pounds and the club has gone backwards. Just my view, of course. I could be wrong and things could change on the pitch before the owners decide to address it. In reply to yourself and others, it's clear to me that Methven secured the investors one by one, and that he put together the SMT. He worked with Rodwell at Sunderland, knows Ed Warwick (finance) and it's unclear how they knew Andy Scott. They were all there at the start nearly two years ago when they became the interim management team working for Sandgaard, and they're still there today. In addition we have Paul Elliott and Steve Sutherland who bring some CAFC history plus a wealthy non-exec Gavin Carter. Between them thay have agreed the Commercial, Financial and Football strategy internally before agreeing that with the investors and then executing. And this is very, very different to the last ten years where there has been no dividing line between owners and executive management. Responding to others, crowds and commercial revenues can increase without success on the pitch as long as the narrative and marketing mix is sound. Success obviously helps - those 25,000 at the Doncaster Play-off Semi went to Wembley but how many became regulars in the Championship? No, what we need is to add 1,500 fans to the average gate each and every season. And to bring our commercial revenues in line with comparable clubs whereas they have been embarassingly low forever! As Mundell states the objective is to raise the overall revenues AND spend them well on the squad, plus enhance coaching, sports science etc. I might be then exception in stating that Godden looks an adequate replacement for Alfie May? But there is a consensus based on watching the games that the midfield simply doesn't work. Is that the players, the tactics, the coaching or the overall recruitment? Certainly a refusal to entertain EPL loans is baffling, given the impact when that works, and there being little downside when it doesn't. Two things strike me and I've been aware of this throughout 2024, perhaps before: 1) The aim was always to reach the play-offs, then secure promotion - so what happens if there's a near miss or a complete fail? We surely expect somebody to take a fall. 2) Secondly there are no guarantees that the SCMP plus media revenue changes will happen in the Championship. If they don't then it remains a very expensive place to compete, especially if you're not at the very top of your game when it comes to analytics, recruitment, sports science etc. So what are the % chances of meaningful change? And how does that impact the value of CAFC plus the appetite of current and future owners? For what it's worth, my own observation is that Andy Scott tends to spend 18 months at clubs AND that CAFC is in need of a highly qualified Director of Football to continue the journey. Scott has held various roles at different clubs but he was never Technical Director / DoF before. One can argue about individual player decisions, but most agree that the squad isn't good enough and certainly lacks attacking finesse / edge. Time will tell whether the club owners and Methven see things the same way, but one final observation: on his podcasts Methven is very eloquent about the business of football... if this £3M increase is both real AND repeated next season then that's a massive achievement. As posted before, increasing revenues, securing promotion AND these changes to the Championship media deal could well see us trebling our turnover to £30M between 2023-202X. However, what's the narrative on the football side?!There has been much talk of Academy players as well as 8-8-8. But what is it they're trying to do, and how? Secure promotion on a budget, sure... But what actual approach do they wish to take. Should the investors focus on that question, they might then land on the answer that they then require the appointment of a DoF who can both deliver that over time, AND describe that journey to the various stakeholders and audiences. |
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Post by addickteduk on Nov 16, 2024 0:26:45 GMT
While discussions around revenues, budget priorities, and the sale of academy players are valid, the core issue remains: the outdated football philosophy is failing to attract the floating Charlton fan base to attend games at the Valley. The combination of ineffective strategies—such as “Jones ball,” “Garner ball,” and “Adkins ball”—along with poor player scouting and mismanagement of funds by the current manager and his predecessors, has created a downward spiral. For instance, we had two proven winners and exceptional League 1 players in May and Dobson, both of whom could have been retained and utilized effectively. Instead of building on this foundation with the available summer funds, the leadership opted to dismantle the blueprint, making ill-advised decisions that are now painfully evident in the club’s current state. This lack of foresight and strategic planning underscores the ongoing issues that need urgent attention if the club is to move forward. Additionally, Jones and his dinosaur football along side the players recruited will never be good enough for top 6. THIS! Had we had a sensible, progressive recruitment strategy that ideally didn't involve offloading last season's golden boot winner for relative peanuts, and then bringing in a load of past it journey-men because they're mates with the manager, and completely ignoring any creativity in the middle of the park, or the fact that we lost our (read: gave away) our 3 best players last season....and maybe even bought in a Brannigan or Keillor-Dunne, then we'd play better football with more attacking intent, and more people would want to come and watch! The lack of transfer acumen is unforgivable - we could have kept Alfie (and Dobbo) and bought in K-D for example, but no - we are more focused on signing sluggish, bored randoms who just blindly hoofing the ball over the top and praying...guess what, if we kept Alfie, we wouldn't have fucking needed to rely on wind-balls over the top! It's embarassing and offensive - we're going nowhere fast and I'm afraid NJ is fast exposing himself as a clueless, archaic tactical fuckwit - but can we attract or afford better? Of course not. We are royally fucked lads. |
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Post by hongkongaddick on Nov 16, 2024 1:19:24 GMT
Well done Reams for creating one of the best threads we’ve had for a long time. The replies above display the quality of thought of the posters on ITTV.
You’ve deliberately been controversial, as clearly these aren’t the worst owners. Gliksten, Hulyer & Mouthall were far, far worse. I always thought that Roland got far more stick than he deserved and was undone by the League moving the goalposts on FFP. Perhaps our continued decline since him is karma for the infantile and personal abuse many of our ‘fans’ poured on him, his family and KM. Guitar Man was undone by his declining finances at which point his decisions became more and more bizarre. He did leave us with Charlton TV though.
Our current predicament is on NJ who sold the 2 best players we had, and which the team should have been built around, to pursue his own brand of football. CBT wanted to go, Dobbo & May would have stayed if we’d wanted them too. Sell your captain (and best player) & the league’s top scorer and look where you end up.
Pointless sacking NJ until the summer as this is very much his squad: if he can’t get a tune out of them, then no-one can. We can only hope that he starts to turn draws into wins and gets the team consistently playing like they did against Brum. The alternative is our continued metamorphosis into a bog standard L1 team, the extent of whose ambitions will lie in the odd promotion to (and subsequent relegation from) the Championship. One big step down from where we were in the 60s, 70s and early 80s.
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Post by scabbyhorse on Nov 16, 2024 14:41:31 GMT
Over the summer, I chose to remain relatively quiet, trusting that Jones knew what he was doing, especially after deciding to part ways with Alfie. Let’s not forget Dobson, who was also let go—arguably a better player than Coventry. That decision, of course, can be traced back to Scott.
Looking ahead, unless the club allocates funds in January to allow Jones (who is unlikely to be replaced at this stage) to address the glaring need for pace and creativity, I’m not optimistic. Frankly, I have little faith that either Jones and his piss poor appalling hoof ball tactics or Scott will secure the necessary reinforcements. Without decisive action, I fear the club is heading towards inevitable more decline.
We can debate all we like whether attractive football will lead to an upturn in attendances, but from my experience, playing good football and winning matches usually brings the fans back despite whatever the attendances were in 2019.
And can it get worse supporting Charlton? Oh yes, it certainly can.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 16, 2024 15:11:12 GMT
Over the summer, I chose to remain relatively quiet, trusting that Jones knew what he was doing, especially after deciding to part ways with Alfie. Let’s not forget Dobson, who was also let go—arguably a better player than Coventry. That decision, of course, can be traced back to Scott. Looking ahead, unless the club allocates funds in January to allow Jones (who is unlikely to be replaced at this stage) to address the glaring need for pace and creativity, I’m not optimistic. Frankly, I have little faith that either Jones and his piss poor appalling hoof ball tactics or Scott will secure the necessary reinforcements. Without decisive action, I fear the club is heading towards inevitable more decline. We can debate all we like whether attractive football will lead to an upturn in attendances, but from my experience, playing good football and winning matches usually brings the fans back despite whatever the attendances were in 2019. And can it get worse supporting Charlton? Oh yes, it certainly can. I wasn’t relatively quiet in the summer…..🤣…..some might say no surprise there then……I did have confidence at the time in Jones ability to recruit a squad capable of challenging for promotion…..Mitchell and Edward’s were decent signings…….on paper Docherty looked a decent signing, but the glaring black holes for me that I kept banging on about at the time was the additional quality centre back required( as I didn’t think Gillesphey was good enough for a promotion chasing side) Which is biting us well and truly on the arse at present and the couple of creative players like Keillor Dunne and or Louie Barry which I kept waiting to happen but instead we brought in Allan Campbell🤔🤔 Nor did I realise at the time that the emphasis of our attacking strategy was going to be us pumping 60 yard diagonals in the hope that we win a second ball…….. Do I think this current lack of creative quality can be rectified by Jones in January…..Well to be honest I have serious doubts |
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Post by clarky on Nov 16, 2024 16:41:20 GMT
I think Jones will be here in January but as he had ample opportunity to correct the glaring ommissions in the summer and didn't I am not sure the quality available will be out there now. The probability of promotion is still slightly higher than relegation butl I don't expect any incoming transfers will be that exciting as neither promotion or relegation is likely.
What the Owners need to look at is what can be done to get things right for next season.The SMT certainly needs very close scrutiny as does the way NJ has put this dreadful squad together with his baffling, boring tactics and play.
Whilst the statistics may not prove that attractive football and winning games makes that much difference to attendances playing the way we do will only diminish crowds further.This new regime had the perfect opportunity to increase revenue and crowds because the majority of us believed in them, they failed and we are left fighting to keep what we have. And whilst there is no harm in trying new things out anybody who thinks the gimmicks they have come up with to date will put bums on seats on a regular basis is sadly mistaken.
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Post by se7sm on Nov 16, 2024 17:16:54 GMT
Not even Christmas yet and this season is over in some peoples eyes 😂nearer the relegation pack than the top six still early days but can’t see anyone of any quality coming in as jones ruled out loans I think .forget any money being spent , so Carry on up the valley starring Terry Scott , Sid James rodwell, Charles hawtrey methven,
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Post by Joinerama on Nov 16, 2024 17:35:03 GMT
Just watched Stockport v Wrexham, two sides who have just come up. Both have made good starts with neither possessing real stars other than maybe James McClean. Both play decent football which is entertaining to watch. It’s very depressing comparing them with Jones’ long ball borefest. Jones career could be finished if he doesn’t get us winning matches leaving his Luton time as the only success.
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Post by petetongthereturn on Nov 16, 2024 19:11:12 GMT
Just watched Stockport v Wrexham, two sides who have just come up. Both have made good starts with neither possessing real stars other than maybe James McClean. Both play decent football which is entertaining to watch. It’s very depressing comparing them with Jones’ long ball borefest. Jones career could be finished if he doesn’t get us winning matches leaving his Luton time as the only success. I see Louis Barry scored for them again. |
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Post by earlpurple on Nov 17, 2024 10:38:05 GMT
Playing attractive, exciting football and winning games will increase revenue/attendances, just waiting for us to try that one. In the meantime I will remain unhappy with some You tube idiot.and half and half scarves In our last champisonhip season we played great football early on before Gallagher got knackered. Fill away ends and probably some floating fans and still we were 8 or 9k down on capacity 10 Aug Stoke City 17,848 13 Aug Forest Green Rovers 2,693 21 Aug Nottingham Forest 17,204 24 Aug Brentford 16,771 14 Sep Birmingham City 18,752 Forest Green would have been a cup game. I went to the home game against Nottm Forest, we drew 1-1 but had dominated the first half then gave away a goal from a corner when Bowyer decided to make substitutions on their corner (not normally a good idea). It was Lyle Taylor's injury that turned our season for the worse, but we also lost others to injury like Leko and Cullen. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 17, 2024 17:35:53 GMT
Just watched Stockport v Wrexham, two sides who have just come up. Both have made good starts with neither possessing real stars other than maybe James McClean. Both play decent football which is entertaining to watch. It’s very depressing comparing them with Jones’ long ball borefest. Jones career could be finished if he doesn’t get us winning matches leaving his Luton time as the only success. I see Louis Barry scored for them again. Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. |
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 17, 2024 21:49:50 GMT
I see Louis Barry scored for them again. Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. I gave the club Barry's name the moment Blackett-Taylor left. Andy Scott looked at me clueless. |
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Post by melrose555 on Nov 18, 2024 10:37:18 GMT
I see Louis Barry scored for them again. Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. 😄😄 |
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Post by melrose555 on Nov 18, 2024 10:38:21 GMT
Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. I gave the club Barry's name the moment Blackett-Taylor left. Andy Scott looked at me clueless. Tells us everything we need to know about Scott!! |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 18, 2024 11:04:46 GMT
Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. I gave the club Barry's name the moment Blackett-Taylor left. Andy Scott looked at me clueless. Richard Kone is another example of fine recruitment by our rivals……scored goals for fun in non league and now has 11 in 30 for Wycombe…..surprised Peterborough missed out on him as he is a typical front footed Posh signing………Ivan Toney being a prime example I have been banging on and on for months now that the priority position in any football club including ours is your head of recruitment/ recruitment team……. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 18, 2024 11:06:44 GMT
Was never on our watch list……..far too creative for us and far too many goals in him as a midfielder……. I gave the club Barry's name the moment Blackett-Taylor left. Andy Scott looked at me clueless. Wasn’t it the same with Keillor-Dunne……Didnt I hear that we thought he wasn’t physically strong enough for us…..🤣🤣…..Or did I imagine that little chesnut…🤔 |
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Post by addicksi on Nov 19, 2024 13:38:04 GMT
One thing I have picked up on is the complete lack of communication since Jones rant about the fans a while back. Perhaps we're out in the cold like some of the players have been for having the nerve to question anything.
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Post by kings hill addick on Nov 19, 2024 14:35:57 GMT
One thing I have picked up on is the complete lack of communication since Jones rant about the fans a while back. Perhaps we're out in the cold like some of the players have been for having the nerve to question anything. I would imagine that they've all had a few days off during the international break. |
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Post by ia on Nov 19, 2024 18:13:07 GMT
Combination all of which exist in the same season? This current basket case a football club is the worst I have known for all four of the above. In response to those who asked, yes I am still around and I still read the comments here at least once a week. I just got so dispririted by the nastiness of the antisemitism incident that I haven't posted for a couple of seasons.
Anyway, yes we have had worse. But not by much. Next season will be my 60th and unless things improve hugely I'm not going to be throwing a party !
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Post by reamsofverse on Nov 19, 2024 20:13:01 GMT
Combination all of which exist in the same season? This current basket case a football club is the worst I have known for all four of the above. In response to those who asked, yes I am still around and I still read the comments here at least once a week. I just got so dispririted by the nastiness of the antisemitism incident that I haven't posted for a couple of seasons. Anyway, yes we have had worse. But not by much. Next season will be my 60th and unless things improve hugely I'm not going to be throwing a party !
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 20, 2024 18:24:24 GMT
While discussions around revenues, budget priorities, and the sale of academy players are valid, the core issue remains: the outdated football philosophy is failing to attract the floating Charlton fan base to attend games at the Valley. The combination of ineffective strategies—such as “Jones ball,” “Garner ball,” and “Adkins ball”—along with poor player scouting and mismanagement of funds by the current manager and his predecessors, has created a downward spiral. For instance, we had two proven winners and exceptional League 1 players in May and Dobson, both of whom could have been retained and utilized effectively. Instead of building on this foundation with the available summer funds, the leadership opted to dismantle the blueprint, making ill-advised decisions that are now painfully evident in the club’s current state. This lack of foresight and strategic planning underscores the ongoing issues that need urgent attention if the club is to move forward. Additionally, Jones and his dinosaur football along side the players recruited will never be good enough for top 6. THIS! Had we had a sensible, progressive recruitment strategy that ideally didn't involve offloading last season's golden boot winner for relative peanuts, and then bringing in a load of past it journey-men because they're mates with the manager, and completely ignoring any creativity in the middle of the park, or the fact that we lost our (read: gave away) our 3 best players last season....and maybe even bought in a Brannigan or Keillor-Dunne, then we'd play better football with more attacking intent, and more people would want to come and watch! The lack of transfer acumen is unforgivable - we could have kept Alfie (and Dobbo) and bought in K-D for example, but no - we are more focused on signing sluggish, bored randoms who just blindly hoofing the ball over the top and praying...guess what, if we kept Alfie, we wouldn't have fucking needed to rely on wind-balls over the top! It's embarassing and offensive - we're going nowhere fast and I'm afraid NJ is fast exposing himself as a clueless, archaic tactical fuckwit - but can we attract or afford better? Of course not. We are royally fucked lads. This……….In all honesty when was the last time we all had some confidence in our recruitment process…..Maybe when Bowyer had some clout to get in Cullen, Taylor and Beilik……. I had so much confidence in the summer in Jones to recruit a very decent side and things started great when he brought Mitchell and Edward’s in……but then I had that very uneasy feeling when very decent players such as K-D, Barry, Humphrys etc were all being scooped up by our competition and then the wheels seemed to fall off for me when the likes Campbell and Hylton were recruited I have banged on and on about this but the most important part of your club is your recruitment strategy and personnel……..We now seem to have a midfield full of work horses probably with the remit to trying to stop other teams playing whilst we launch 60 yard diagonals in the hope we win a flick on or a second ball which seems a major part of our offensive strategy…… |
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Post by Mundell on Nov 20, 2024 21:47:35 GMT
With the caveat that it may all look very different in three months time, in which case I’ll be eating bucket loads of humble pie, I think it’s the recruitment of Nathan Jones that might well prove to be the catastrophic error which will cost Rodwell and Scott their jobs.
Under Jones’s influence we’re currently seeing the worst of all possible worlds. The evidence suggests that the investors are happy to build slowly (rightly or wrongly) and a pure version of that strategy might have been reflected in the recruitment of a highly regarded, but young and inexperienced coach and similarly the assembly of a squad of exciting young players with potential. Inexperience, unforced errors, poor game management et al might have meant we’d have missed out this season, but with lots of potential on show. Not ideal, perhaps, but had we gone this route we might now be enjoying some really attractive and exciting football while having genuine room for optimism for next season.
Instead, in trying to do I’m not sure what, Jones has taken us backwards with little or no obvious potential. We’ve truly got the worst of all possible worlds. We neither look capable of challenging for the playoffs and nor have we recruited players with potential who might be coached into a promotion winning side. Andy Scott has a lot to answer for (and especially the recruitment of Appleton and Jones), but ironically, one might even say bizarrely, SE7’s recruitment pre Jones (May, L Jones, T Taylor, Coventry, Ramsey and Small) looks a lot more astute and strategic than we’ve seen post Jones’s arrival. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the recruitment of Berry, A Campbell, Potts and Hylton looks increasingly bizarre. Even the more “solid” signings like A Mitchell and Edwards look nowhere near Championship material while Ahadme has underwhelmed by even our low standards.
We might get lucky. This time next season it’s possible that Leaburn, Kanu, Anderson, T Campbell, Z Mitchell, Dixon et al will be League One high flyers. I wouldn’t want to bet on it though and nor I am confident that Jones’s hoofball will get the best out of them. WTF is he doing?
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 21, 2024 8:11:15 GMT
With the caveat that it may all look very different in three months time, in which case I’ll be eating bucket loads of humble pie, I think it’s the recruitment of Nathan Jones that might well prove to be the catastrophic error which will cost Rodwell and Scott their jobs. Under Jones’s influence we’re currently seeing the worst of all possible worlds. The evidence suggests that the investors are happy to build slowly (rightly or wrongly) and a pure version of that strategy might have been reflected in the recruitment of a highly regarded, but young and inexperienced coach and similarly the assembly of a squad of exciting young players with potential. Inexperience, unforced errors, poor game management et al might have meant we’d have missed out this season, but with lots of potential on show. Not ideal, perhaps, but had we gone this route we might now be enjoying some really attractive and exciting football while having genuine room for optimism for next season. Instead, in trying to do I’m not sure what, Jones has taken us backwards with little or no obvious potential. We’ve truly got the worst of all possible worlds. We neither look capable of challenging for the playoffs and nor have we recruited players with potential who might be coached into a promotion winning side. Andy Scott has a lot to answer for (and especially the recruitment of Appleton and Jones), but ironically, one might even say bizarrely, SE7’s recruitment pre Jones (May, L Jones, T Taylor, Coventry, Ramsey and Small) looks a lot more astute and strategic than we’ve seen post Jones’s arrival. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the recruitment of Berry, A Campbell, Potts and Hylton looks increasingly bizarre. Even the more “solid” signings like A Mitchell and Edwards look nowhere near Championship material while Ahadme has underwhelmed by even our low standards. We might get lucky. This time next season it’s possible that Leaburn, Kanu, Anderson, T Campbell, Z Mitchell, Dixon et al will be League One high flyers. I wouldn’t want to bet on it though and nor I am confident that Jones’s hoofball will get the best out of them. WTF is he doing? This is pretty much where I am. I really hope we're wrong and NJ can turn it around (as we don't want to sack another manager!), but I don't have much confidence in that. |
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