Charlie Methven at Bromley Addicks Tonight

[reamsofverse]

Accompanied by Gavin Carter.

The chavs on 606 are particularly looking forward to this I believe.

It's a forum made up of gormless ITTV rejects but when you think about it, that place actually serves a purpose in that it keeps them in a padded cell away from the rest of us!

Some right erections on there as we all know.

I'll post some updates when I have them but I've just been told that the purple short arsed Brazilian ladyboy lover has just been refused entry with security escorting him off the premises as he was carrying a crate to stand on and half a dozen eggs.

They were classed as tools but Elfsborg pleaded for leniency stating the only tools he's aware of are Royston, Typical Part 2, Watamiere and squareball and last he heard was they hadn't planned on being there!

[discocafc]

Oct 3, 2024 17:50:12 GMT reamsofverse said:

Accompanied by Gavin Carter.

The chavs on 606 are particularly looking forward to this I believe.

It's a forum made up of gormless ITTV rejects but when you think about it, that place actually serves a purpose in that it keeps them in a padded cell away from the rest of us!

Some right erections on there as we all know.

I'll post some updates when I have them but I've just been told that the purple short arsed Brazilian ladyboy lover has just been refused entry with security escorting him off the premises as he was carrying a crate to stand on and half a dozen eggs.

They were classed as tools but Elfsborg pleaded for leniency stating the only tools he's aware of are Royston, Typical Part 2, Watamiere and squareball and last he heard was they hadn't planned on being there!

I’m actually there now as we speak and not a 606 member lol

I’ll provide what I can remember.

[reamsofverse]

Oct 3, 2024 18:29:57 GMT discocafc said:

Oct 3, 2024 17:50:12 GMT reamsofverse said:

Accompanied by Gavin Carter.

The chavs on 606 are particularly looking forward to this I believe.

It's a forum made up of gormless ITTV rejects but when you think about it, that place actually serves a purpose in that it keeps them in a padded cell away from the rest of us!

Some right erections on there as we all know.

I'll post some updates when I have them but I've just been told that the purple short arsed Brazilian ladyboy lover has just been refused entry with security escorting him off the premises as he was carrying a crate to stand on and half a dozen eggs.

They were classed as tools but Elfsborg pleaded for leniency stating the only tools he's aware of are Royston, Typical Part 2, Watamiere and squareball and last he heard was they hadn't planned on being there!

I’m actually there now as we speak and not a 606 member lol

I’ll provide what I can remember.

Well that was always on the cards disco.

Same old, same old. Just hot air windbags who crave attention.

One day they'll grow up and get into double figures with people who post on there.

The Muppet show is alive and kicking!!

[weststandfruitloop]

Hopefully someone there will have the testicles/ovaries to ask something challenging. I won't hold my breath. Bromley was famous in the 1980s as being the most middle-class town in England (albeit David Bowie and Siouxsie Sioux both emerged from there prior to the 1980s).

[discocafc]

Well personally I thought they came across well tonight.

I asked the question about the next transfer window because I wondered whether we need outgoings first before incomings because of the financial fair play rules. Charlie said that our squad size is too massive at the moment so will need to reduce it because it’s not feasible for any management team to handle this amount of players. The budget isn’t an issue though.

Someone challenged about the Alfie May transfer. He left for 3 reasons 1) The deal Birmingham offered was a good one 2) Alfie May’s family moved up north so was feasible for him 3) He wasn’t part of Jones’s plan.

[joeblack]

No idea what 606 is so I'll don't get that bit.
But that May didn't feature un Jones plans is a big red flag. How many managers can offloadbthe leading scorer from the season before. And to a team we thought would be a promotion rival, he we only replaced him with an even better striker. Barmy

[revilo]

Oct 3, 2024 21:57:03 GMT discocafc said:

Well personally I thought they came across well tonight.

I asked the question about the next transfer window because I wondered whether we need outgoings first before incomings because of the financial fair play rules. Charlie said that our squad size is too massive at the moment so will need to reduce it because it’s not feasible for any management team to handle this amount of players. The budget isn’t an issue though.

Someone challenged about the Alfie May transfer. He left for 3 reasons 1) The deal Birmingham offered was a good one 2) Alfie May’s family moved up north so was feasible for him 3) He wasn’t part of Jones’s plan.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/birmingham-city-alfie-may-charlton-30052657

[aaronaldo]

Oct 4, 2024 5:19:35 GMT joeblack said:

No idea what 606 is so I'll don't get that bit.
But that May didn't feature un Jones plans is a big red flag. How many managers can offloadbthe leading scorer from the season before. And to a team we thought would be a promotion rival, he we only replaced him with an even better striker. Barmy

Agree with the red flag. I appreciate there were other reasons for May leaving, which likely wouldn't have changed his decision or the overall outcome. But the fact Jones didn't want him is very odd. I can't imagine any other manager in this league would be looking to offload Alfie.

The story will come out, as Alfie says.

[aaronaldo]

Oct 3, 2024 21:57:03 GMT discocafc said:

Well personally I thought they came across well tonight.

I asked the question about the next transfer window because I wondered whether we need outgoings first before incomings because of the financial fair play rules. Charlie said that our squad size is too massive at the moment so will need to reduce it because it’s not feasible for any management team to handle this amount of players. The budget isn’t an issue though.

Someone challenged about the Alfie May transfer. He left for 3 reasons 1) The deal Birmingham offered was a good one 2) Alfie May’s family moved up north so was feasible for him 3) He wasn’t part of Jones’s plan.

Squad too big to manage but not a budget issue?

Simple solution to that. Send the kids (who aren't good enough) on loan! Problem solved Charlie. You're welcome.

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 4, 2024 6:59:32 GMT aaronaldo said:

Oct 3, 2024 21:57:03 GMT discocafc said:

Well personally I thought they came across well tonight.

I asked the question about the next transfer window because I wondered whether we need outgoings first before incomings because of the financial fair play rules. Charlie said that our squad size is too massive at the moment so will need to reduce it because it’s not feasible for any management team to handle this amount of players. The budget isn’t an issue though.

Someone challenged about the Alfie May transfer. He left for 3 reasons 1) The deal Birmingham offered was a good one 2) Alfie May’s family moved up north so was feasible for him 3) He wasn’t part of Jones’s plan.

Squad too big to manage but not a budget issue?

Simple solution to that. Send the kids (who aren't good enough) on loan! Problem solved Charlie. You're welcome.

Apparently a CL poster said exactly the same thing to CM last night about the kids clearly not being good enough……they must be hearing this in stereo now but CM insisted they were……… so we have a top 4 budget sitting half way in league one a bloated squad and yet it all seems hunkey dorey to CM and his team…..
I can’t really see the point of these question time meetings personally……

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 4, 2024 6:58:06 GMT aaronaldo said:

Oct 4, 2024 5:19:35 GMT joeblack said:

No idea what 606 is so I'll don't get that bit.
But that May didn't feature un Jones plans is a big red flag. How many managers can offloadbthe leading scorer from the season before. And to a team we thought would be a promotion rival, he we only replaced him with an even better striker. Barmy

Agree with the red flag. I appreciate there were other reasons for May leaving, which likely wouldn't have changed his decision or the overall outcome. But the fact Jones didn't want him is very odd. I can't imagine any other manager in this league would be looking to offload Alfie.

The story will come out, as Alfie says.

I think you can tell by the amount of times Jones hooked May during games that he clearly didn’t fancy him…….Personally I don’t care what strikers do if they can give you 20 goals a season and score goals out of nothing…….

[joeblack]

Just to agree with the post above. The kids are not adding to our play. They are clinging on for dear life. If the squad is too bloated, let them go down a league to get game time and confidence. And bring in quality if the budget isn't an issue.
Simply typing this makes me fell Methven was spinning us a yarn.

[dickybaby]

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

[Mundell]

At the risk of repeating what others have already said, based on what’s been posted elsewhere, the key takeaways for me would appear to be the following, 

1. We have a top four wage budget. It seems reasonable to assume this means that three teams are spending more, i.e. we are fourth, not top four. Birmingham are obviously one of those, but we don’t know who the others are. Nor do we know whether we are spending more or less than last season or in previous seasons under Sandgaard. 

2. The budget is constrained by the SCMP. That could mean anything, but it’s a fair bet this means being compliant without the need for fortune income or equity injections so that revenues limit what we can spend on wages. We don’t even know whether we are spending the maximum possible under the SCMP, but we’re probably close to it. The budget is almost certainly a hard budget so that as the window progressed the only way to spend more was to make savings. 

3. Revenues will be higher this season last season. Reports from last night aren’t completely clear on the extent of this, but in a recent podcast Methven said they’ve gone up by £3m. That’s very surprising, but if true it means that potentially the wage bill could increase from circa £6m to £7.8m. There is no way of knowing if that’s what’s happened. It seems unlikely but who knows. 

4. If revenues are up £3m and the club have spent as much as possible of that increase on wages then, all other things being equal, losses and the funding gap will have fallen by £1.2m, more if wages haven’t increased by as much as allowable. On the same podcast Methven said owner funding was circa £5-6m (if memory serves) suggesting that a combination of cost cuts and control over the wage bill have been used to reduce losses. 

5. The message on the Valley and Sparrows Lane remains unchanged. Fair bet here that they have no intention of paying Duchatelet £50m for these assets, or anything close to that sum, preferring instead to secure a long-term leasehold agreement. 

6. Methven is reported to have said that ongoing funding is provided by each investor in proportion to their shareholding. I was a bit surprised by this and if true it has some important implications. It means, for example, that Methven himself is on the hook for a minimum of 5% of any funding provided by GFP. By the end of June this year GFP had provided £8.9m of funding via loans of which Methven would have had to find a minimum of £450,000. If we’re losing circa £5m a year then ownership is costing him £250,000 p.a. I find this very hard to believe, but it’s what is implied and if true there is no doubt he’s got a lot of skin in the game.

Make of that what you will. On balance, last night seemed to broadly confirm what I think we already knew, but with a few surprises thrown in along the way. It appears Methven may have a fairly large personal bet that Nathan Jones can deliver. Let’s hope he can. 

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 4, 2024 6:58:06 GMT aaronaldo said:

Oct 4, 2024 5:19:35 GMT joeblack said:

No idea what 606 is so I'll don't get that bit.
But that May didn't feature un Jones plans is a big red flag. How many managers can offloadbthe leading scorer from the season before. And to a team we thought would be a promotion rival, he we only replaced him with an even better striker. Barmy

Agree with the red flag. I appreciate there were other reasons for May leaving, which likely wouldn't have changed his decision or the overall outcome. But the fact Jones didn't want him is very odd. I can't imagine any other manager in this league would be looking to offload Alfie.

The story will come out, as Alfie says.

What story….we all know the story Alfie……Jones didn’t fancy you and wanted your fee to be added to our expansive top 4 budget….😳
Coaches live and die by these decisions and this particular decision has looked very foolish from day one……..🤔🤔🤔.

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

I suppose the question here is all about our ambition to get out of league one…..are our kids good enough for league one, well I would expect Anderson and TC to get into the likes of Cambridge and Crawley’s sides on a regular basis( TC playing in his correct position on the wing)…..Kanu for me is not league one standard at present….just my opinion….
Would these players get any game time in the likes of Birmingham, Wrexham, Stockport, Bolton and Barnsley I would seriously doubt it in my opinion regardless that they are international players……
I honestly thought we were going to invest this summer in a squad to compete for promotion so the kids could either be in and around the squad learning or loaned out to give them more experience( didn’t hurt Scott Parker at the time)…..I really didnt anticipate Jones bringing in players from the championship and then playing Anderson,Kanu and TC( out of position) in front of them……For me that means we are going absolutely nowhere…..I truly hope to be proven wrong and will gladly hold my hands up if we are top 6 in May…..

As I say just my opinion……

[dickybaby]

Oct 4, 2024 8:25:07 GMT aucklandaddick said:

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

I suppose the question here is all about our ambition to get out of league one…..are our kids good enough for league one, well I would expect Anderson and TC to get into the likes of Cambridge and Crawley’s sides on a regular basis( TC playing in his correct position on the wing)…..Kanu for me is not league one standard at present….just my opinion….
Would these players get any game time in the likes of Birmingham, Wrexham, Stockport, Bolton and Barnsley I would seriously doubt it in my opinion regardless that they are international players……
I honestly thought we were going to invest this summer in a squad to compete for promotion so the kids could either be in and around the squad learning or loaned out to give them more experience( didn’t hurt Scott Parker at the time)…..I really didnt anticipate Jones bringing in players from the championship and then playing Anderson,Kanu and TC( out of position) in front of them……For me that means we are going absolutely nowhere…..I truly hope to be proven wrong and will gladly hold my hands up if we are top 6 in May…..

As I say just my opinion……

yeah fair enough I agree Kanu isnt good enough yet and am not sure technically he is able to go to next level. I think TC and Anderson would play a few games for those top sides but yes def need more quality around them 

[aucklandaddick]

Oct 4, 2024 8:28:14 GMT dickybaby said:

Oct 4, 2024 8:25:07 GMT aucklandaddick said:

I suppose the question here is all about our ambition to get out of league one…..are our kids good enough for league one, well I would expect Anderson and TC to get into the likes of Cambridge and Crawley’s sides on a regular basis( TC playing in his correct position on the wing)…..Kanu for me is not league one standard at present….just my opinion….
Would these players get any game time in the likes of Birmingham, Wrexham, Stockport, Bolton and Barnsley I would seriously doubt it in my opinion regardless that they are international players……
I honestly thought we were going to invest this summer in a squad to compete for promotion so the kids could either be in and around the squad learning or loaned out to give them more experience( didn’t hurt Scott Parker at the time)…..I really didnt anticipate Jones bringing in players from the championship and then playing Anderson,Kanu and TC( out of position) in front of them……For me that means we are going absolutely nowhere…..I truly hope to be proven wrong and will gladly hold my hands up if we are top 6 in May…..

As I say just my opinion……

yeah fair enough I agree Kanu isnt good enough yet and am not sure technically he is able to go to next level. I think TC and Anderson would play a few games for those top sides but yes def need more quality around them 

I am probably very much in the minority but I think Nathan Assimwe has the most natural talent and potential to go on and make a really good carrer for himself….
Anderson will get bigger, stronger and learn to pass forward to his own team mates in time, TC will always get a gig in league one as he is some pace and trickery which should be used off the bench….
Kanu to me is league two standard and will not be any higher….IMO
Casey and Mbick in the kids team excite me though especially Casey as he looks a natural goal scorer…..

[aaronaldo]

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

Yeah I would agree that Nathan's tactics aren't good enough. Which is making these youngsters look far worse than they are. Plus recruitment deficiencies.

TC (as a forward), Kanu and Anderson are the youngsters I was referring to. They can't work in the current system, which I don't see changing.

[dickybaby]

Oct 4, 2024 8:39:11 GMT aaronaldo said:

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

Yeah I would agree that Nathan's tactics aren't good enough. Which is making these youngsters look far worse than they are. Plus recruitment deficiencies.

TC (as a forward), Kanu and Anderson are the youngsters I was referring to. They can't work in the current system, which I don't see changing.

Its a shame because TC has every full back on toast when he is playing wide 

[clarky]

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

To be fair I doubt the Jamaican squad would get out of L1 either.

[dickybaby]

Oct 4, 2024 10:06:52 GMT clarky said:

Oct 4, 2024 7:49:21 GMT dickybaby said:

Which kids arent good enough ? The one in the Jamaican national squad for example ? Good enough for them but not league one ?

Some of signings not good enough and clearly the shape and style is too rigid. One thing was about Bowyer is his shape was fluid even during a game. Crying out for width

To be fair I doubt the Jamaican squad would get out of L1 either.

Disagree. In their fixture against Mexico the first 11 players were from (not including Leon Bailey from Villa who opted out)

El paso (in US champ) 
Oxford United 
Brentford
Coventry 
Sheff Weds
Yverdon (in Swiss super league)
Hull City
West Ham 
Leicester City 
Al Ettifaq
Spartak Moscow

[zhengsociety]

Interesting discussion on our youngsters and one I’ve been thinking about recently. Agree with the poster above about Asiimwe - I actually think he’s the best of the bunch.

For me, TC has improved hugely but he’s not a striker. When he came on against Blackpool he rinsed his full back on multiple occasions and looked quicker and stronger than he has previously. I think in a 4-3-3 he’d be a really great option for us.

Anderson is a good player and showed it at the back end of last season when he popped up with a couple of crucial goals. However, he has played way too much football and looks absolutely knackered. He went off to copa America in the summer and it didn’t seem like he was given an extended period to rest, he was back in for pre-season a couple of weeks later. The kid needs a break.

Kanu is an odd one. He is clearly a talented finisher but I think he is being mismanaged at the moment. He came back from his loan brimming with confidence and that carried him through some games last season. He needs to be loaned out again and learn his trade. Otherwise I fear we’ll do the same that we did to Pigott.

[clarky]

Oct 4, 2024 10:40:42 GMT dickybaby said:

Oct 4, 2024 10:06:52 GMT clarky said:

To be fair I doubt the Jamaican squad would get out of L1 either.

Disagree. In their fixture against Mexico the first 11 players were from (not including Leon Bailey from Villa who opted out)

El paso (in US champ) 
Oxford United 
Brentford
Coventry 
Sheff Weds
Yverdon (in Swiss super league)
Hull City
West Ham 
Leicester City 
Al Ettifaq
Spartak Moscow

It was said partly tongue in cheek and whilst that starting 11 had credibility their squad is quite weak. Also I believe that was a game where Anderson didn't feature so was seen as a non used squad player and not a starter. And that is where I see Anderson for us.
Whilst I believe Anderson will improve and being around the first team squad will do him good I don't think currently he is good enough to start. A loan out would perhaps have been better for him and I think with growing majority and physicality hopefully he will be a regular for us next season 

[aaronaldo]

Oct 4, 2024 6:26:02 GMT revilo said:

Oct 3, 2024 21:57:03 GMT discocafc said:

Well personally I thought they came across well tonight.

I asked the question about the next transfer window because I wondered whether we need outgoings first before incomings because of the financial fair play rules. Charlie said that our squad size is too massive at the moment so will need to reduce it because it’s not feasible for any management team to handle this amount of players. The budget isn’t an issue though.

Someone challenged about the Alfie May transfer. He left for 3 reasons 1) The deal Birmingham offered was a good one 2) Alfie May’s family moved up north so was feasible for him 3) He wasn’t part of Jones’s plan.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/birmingham-city-alfie-may-charlton-30052657

I think Alfie was very particular in his choice of words in this interview. "They have a manager in there that’s a very good coach"

[perryjames87]

Oct 4, 2024 10:45:23 GMT zhengsociety said:

Interesting discussion on our youngsters and one I’ve been thinking about recently. Agree with the poster above about Asiimwe - I actually think he’s the best of the bunch.

For me, TC has improved hugely but he’s not a striker. When he came on against Blackpool he rinsed his full back on multiple occasions and looked quicker and stronger than he has previously. I think in a 4-3-3 he’d be a really great option for us.

Anderson is a good player and showed it at the back end of last season when he popped up with a couple of crucial goals. However, he has played way too much football and looks absolutely knackered. He went off to copa America in the summer and it didn’t seem like he was given an extended period to rest, he was back in for pre-season a couple of weeks later. The kid needs a break.

Kanu is an odd one. He is clearly a talented finisher but I think he is being mismanaged at the moment. He came back from his loan brimming with confidence and that carried him through some games last season. He needs to be loaned out again and learn his trade. Otherwise I fear we’ll do the same that we did to Pigott.

To be fair all three played well in the first half against Stevenage but 10 minutes into the second half they were being targeted more and closed down very quickly when they got the ball and even roughed up abit and then they went missing especially Anderson, he seems to shut off alot and he's not very urgent when it comes to getting back to help out, it's all a learning curve though but unfortunately we're a team that needs more than that right now, ideally both Anderson and Kanu should of been loaned out to League Two teams, Campbell is a useful addition and offers more than both at the minute for me

[seriouslyred]

Oct 4, 2024 8:00:55 GMT Mundell said:

At the risk of repeating what others have already said, based on what’s been posted elsewhere, the key takeaways for me would appear to be the following, 

1. We have a top four wage budget. It seems reasonable to assume this means that three teams are spending more, i.e. we are fourth, not top four. Birmingham are obviously one of those, but we don’t know who the others are. Nor do we know whether we are spending more or less than last season or in previous seasons under Sandgaard. 

2. The budget is constrained by the SCMP. That could mean anything, but it’s a fair bet this means being compliant without the need for fortune income or equity injections so that revenues limit what we can spend on wages. We don’t even know whether we are spending the maximum possible under the SCMP, but we’re probably close to it. The budget is almost certainly a hard budget so that as the window progressed the only way to spend more was to make savings. 

3. Revenues will be higher this season last season. Reports from last night aren’t completely clear on the extent of this, but in a recent podcast Methven said they’ve gone up by £3m. That’s very surprising, but if true it means that potentially the wage bill could increase from circa £6m to £7.8m. There is no way of knowing if that’s what’s happened. It seems unlikely but who knows. 

4. If revenues are up £3m and the club have spent as much as possible of that increase on wages then, all other things being equal, losses and the funding gap will have fallen by £1.2m, more if wages haven’t increased by as much as allowable. On the same podcast Methven said owner funding was circa £5-6m (if memory serves) suggesting that a combination of cost cuts and control over the wage bill have been used to reduce losses. 

5. The message on the Valley and Sparrows Lane remains unchanged. Fair bet here that they have no intention of paying Duchatelet £50m for these assets, or anything close to that sum, preferring instead to secure a long-term leasehold agreement. 

6. Methven is reported to have said that ongoing funding is provided by each investor in proportion to their shareholding. I was a bit surprised by this and if true it has some important implications. It means, for example, that Methven himself is on the hook for a minimum of 5% of any funding provided by GFP. By the end of June this year GFP had provided £8.9m of funding via loans of which Methven would have had to find a minimum of £450,000. If we’re losing circa £5m a year then ownership is costing him £250,000 p.a. I find this very hard to believe, but it’s what is implied and if true there is no doubt he’s got a lot of skin in the game.

Make of that what you will. On balance, last night seemed to broadly confirm what I think we already knew, but with a few surprises thrown in along the way. It appears Methven may have a fairly large personal bet that Nathan Jones can deliver. Let’s hope he can. 

1. We have always had a top six budget at this level. For many seasons we competed well finishing in the play-offs under Parkinson and then Bowyer, as well as winning promotion twice. I expect that the budgets are very similar to past seasons

2. SCMP doesn't constrain the budgets as clubs such as Birmingham and Wrexham spend what they wish on forwards. This is down to ownership appetite and hunger for success on the pitch vs a slower build.

3 & 4. Revenues: The gates appear higher already this season but will not grow unless we start winning again. There's definitely potential for a 15-16,000 average IF we can compete for sixth place. Methven did announce a significant increase in revenues on that podcast but there was insufficient detail to comment beyond the fact that our commercial revenues have always been far too low for a club of our size.  As revenues improve that clearly means more available for the playing budget. But how will they do that effectively when the fans can't see a clear approach to scoring more?

5. Yes the Lease on the assets remains unchanged and subject to negotiation. If the investors wanted to inject £40M later this year, should that really be spent upon acquiring the assets? Some believe so but it's a statement of the bleeding obvious that the squad, coaching analytics and medical functions should be the priority.

6. It's impossible to tell who has funded GFP and to what extent. My assumption was always that the three rich investors provided the lion's share of the funding each season. The challenges at ACA shouldn't affect us but do leave the possibility of a slice of GFP coming up for sale.

There wasn't much new last night, but it was surprising to hear that having too many players might hold us back in January. Andy Scott had little issue disposing of the squad inherited from Sandgaard, Garner and Gallen even if it took more than one window. No, if we do not acquire more attacking talent in January then the writing will be on the wall! Not wishing to pre-empt results and performances over the next ten games but we have all seen a fairly solid defence that really doesn't require much change.

Let's see where we are at the end of November

[kings hill addick]

Oct 4, 2024 19:29:04 GMT seriouslyred said:

Oct 4, 2024 8:00:55 GMT Mundell said:

At the risk of repeating what others have already said, based on what’s been posted elsewhere, the key takeaways for me would appear to be the following, 

1. We have a top four wage budget. It seems reasonable to assume this means that three teams are spending more, i.e. we are fourth, not top four. Birmingham are obviously one of those, but we don’t know who the others are. Nor do we know whether we are spending more or less than last season or in previous seasons under Sandgaard. 

2. The budget is constrained by the SCMP. That could mean anything, but it’s a fair bet this means being compliant without the need for fortune income or equity injections so that revenues limit what we can spend on wages. We don’t even know whether we are spending the maximum possible under the SCMP, but we’re probably close to it. The budget is almost certainly a hard budget so that as the window progressed the only way to spend more was to make savings. 

3. Revenues will be higher this season last season. Reports from last night aren’t completely clear on the extent of this, but in a recent podcast Methven said they’ve gone up by £3m. That’s very surprising, but if true it means that potentially the wage bill could increase from circa £6m to £7.8m. There is no way of knowing if that’s what’s happened. It seems unlikely but who knows. 

4. If revenues are up £3m and the club have spent as much as possible of that increase on wages then, all other things being equal, losses and the funding gap will have fallen by £1.2m, more if wages haven’t increased by as much as allowable. On the same podcast Methven said owner funding was circa £5-6m (if memory serves) suggesting that a combination of cost cuts and control over the wage bill have been used to reduce losses. 

5. The message on the Valley and Sparrows Lane remains unchanged. Fair bet here that they have no intention of paying Duchatelet £50m for these assets, or anything close to that sum, preferring instead to secure a long-term leasehold agreement. 

6. Methven is reported to have said that ongoing funding is provided by each investor in proportion to their shareholding. I was a bit surprised by this and if true it has some important implications. It means, for example, that Methven himself is on the hook for a minimum of 5% of any funding provided by GFP. By the end of June this year GFP had provided £8.9m of funding via loans of which Methven would have had to find a minimum of £450,000. If we’re losing circa £5m a year then ownership is costing him £250,000 p.a. I find this very hard to believe, but it’s what is implied and if true there is no doubt he’s got a lot of skin in the game.

Make of that what you will. On balance, last night seemed to broadly confirm what I think we already knew, but with a few surprises thrown in along the way. It appears Methven may have a fairly large personal bet that Nathan Jones can deliver. Let’s hope he can. 

1. We have always had a top six budget at this level. For many seasons we competed well finishing in the play-offs under Parkinson and then Bowyer, as well as winning promotion twice. I expect that the budgets are very similar to past seasons

2. SCMP doesn't constrain the budgets as clubs such as Birmingham and Wrexham spend what they wish on forwards. This is down to ownership appetite and hunger for success on the pitch vs a slower build.

3 & 4. Revenues: The gates appear higher already this season but will not grow unless we start winning again. There's definitely potential for a 15-16,000 average IF we can compete for sixth place. Methven did announce a significant increase in revenues on that podcast but there was insufficient detail to comment beyond the fact that our commercial revenues have always been far too low for a club of our size.  As revenues improve that clearly means more available for the playing budget. But how will they do that effectively when the fans can't see a clear approach to scoring more?

5. Yes the Lease on the assets remains unchanged and subject to negotiation. If the investors wanted to inject £40M later this year, should that really be spent upon acquiring the assets? Some believe so but it's a statement of the bleeding obvious that the squad, coaching analytics and medical functions should be the priority.

6. It's impossible to tell who has funded GFP and to what extent. My assumption was always that the three rich investors provided the lion's share of the funding each season. The challenges at ACA shouldn't affect us but do leave the possibility of a slice of GFP coming up for sale.

There wasn't much new last night, but it was surprising to hear that having too many players might hold us back in January. Andy Scott had little issue disposing of the squad inherited from Sandgaard, Garner and Gallen even if it took more than one window. No, if we do not acquire more attacking talent in January then the writing will be on the wall! Not wishing to pre-empt results and performances over the next ten games but we have all seen a fairly solid defence that really doesn't require much change.

Let's see where we are at the end of November

I never believed that we would spend much money in January and now we have had an exclusive sneak peak of the excuse for not doing so.

[joan]

Oct 4, 2024 8:00:55 GMT Mundell said:

3. Revenues will be higher this season last season. Reports from last night aren’t completely clear on the extent of this, but in a recent podcast Methven said they’ve gone up by £3m. That’s very surprising, but if true it means that potentially the wage bill could increase from circa £6m to £7.8m. There is no way of knowing if that’s what’s happened. It seems unlikely but who knows. 

Surely this cant be anywhere near true - crowds are about the same and no new big sponsorships have been announced

[aaronaldo]

Oct 5, 2024 12:21:08 GMT joan said:

Oct 4, 2024 8:00:55 GMT Mundell said:

3. Revenues will be higher this season last season. Reports from last night aren’t completely clear on the extent of this, but in a recent podcast Methven said they’ve gone up by £3m. That’s very surprising, but if true it means that potentially the wage bill could increase from circa £6m to £7.8m. There is no way of knowing if that’s what’s happened. It seems unlikely but who knows. 

Surely this cant be anywhere near true - crowds are about the same and no new big sponsorships have been announced

Theres been quite a few smaller sponsors announced. Plus we’ve brought back in the shop. Which as others have pointed out elsewhere, would increase revenue quite a bit. Actual profit wouldn’t change much though I imagine.