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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 3, 2024 12:48:55 GMT
www.ntt20.com/p/euro-trip-2-the-world-cruiseInteresting read from the Not The Top 20 (NTT20) group around the change in EFL transfers over the last few years. Increasing trend towards foreign players and the challenges some of this might bring in the future. A lot of the data is from Transfermarket so take the numbers with a pinch of salt, but the trends are obvious anyway. The League One spend (Birmingham) is actually quite funny when you see it against the previous years. Without Birmingham though it would've still been a significant jump on previous years.
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Post by se7sm on Oct 3, 2024 13:05:36 GMT
Birmingham certainly splashing the cash must be nice to have a billionaire owner who is prepared to pump a few pence in
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 13:17:00 GMT
Birmingham certainly splashing the cash must be nice to have a billionaire owner who is prepared to pump a few pence in The most frustrating thing for me this summer was that I thought we were just short of three real quality marquee signings which would have taken us forward…..a couple of midfielders to compliment Coventry and a younger version of Alfie…….Easier said then done I know but seeing players like Barry going to Stockport , Macatee going to Bolton, Keillor Dunne going to Barnsley and us stagnating after 7 incomings by July and then signing NJ’s old mates Campbell and Hylton summed up for me our ambition……. |
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Post by se7sm on Oct 3, 2024 13:28:03 GMT
It’s staring us all in the face that the proper money needed for these signings is just not available and probably never will be with this mob
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 13:45:31 GMT
It’s staring us all in the face that the proper money needed for these signings is just not available and probably never will be with this mob Sadly this seems to be the case……the budget seems very similar to previous Sangaard budgets to me……and we all got so excited about being owned by weathly owners…… |
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 3, 2024 13:49:21 GMT
Birmingham certainly splashing the cash must be nice to have a billionaire owner who is prepared to pump a few pence in The most frustrating thing for me this summer was that I thought we were just short of three real quality marquee signings which would have taken us forward…..a couple of midfielders to compliment Coventry and a younger version of Alfie…….Easier said then done I know but seeing players like Barry going to Stockport , Macatee going to Bolton, Keillor Dunne going to Barnsley and us stagnating after 7 incomings by July and then signing NJ’s old mates Campbell and Hylton summed up for me our ambition……. I'm still of that opinion. I don't think we are that far off a good team. We're missing some key pieces and some better tactics. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 13:52:33 GMT
The most frustrating thing for me this summer was that I thought we were just short of three real quality marquee signings which would have taken us forward…..a couple of midfielders to compliment Coventry and a younger version of Alfie…….Easier said then done I know but seeing players like Barry going to Stockport , Macatee going to Bolton, Keillor Dunne going to Barnsley and us stagnating after 7 incomings by July and then signing NJ’s old mates Campbell and Hylton summed up for me our ambition……. I'm still of that opinion. I don't think we are that far off a good team. We're missing some key pieces and some better tactics. Yep…..our current midfield is too samey and one paced………and there is no natural goal scorer up top…….those three players would have made a huge difference…..but it doesn’t look like we had the dough……. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 3, 2024 13:57:06 GMT
Birmingham certainly splashing the cash must be nice to have a billionaire owner who is prepared to pump a few pence in The most frustrating thing for me this summer was that I thought we were just short of three real quality marquee signings which would have taken us forward…..a couple of midfielders to compliment Coventry and a younger version of Alfie…….Easier said then done I know but seeing players like Barry going to Stockport , Macatee going to Bolton, Keillor Dunne going to Barnsley and us stagnating after 7 incomings by July and then signing NJ’s old mates Campbell and Hylton summed up for me our ambition……. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?! At the time there were two camps: one chomping at the bit wanting another six or seven players, including another new keeper... the other wanting just a couple, be that late signings or EPL loans. What has transpired shows that there simply isn't a market wide, data driven approach to improve our squad. Instead the manager has been given free rein to bring in ex-Luton players who can assist with this "relentless, front footed" approach (whatever that means?!) We can still objectively assess where we are, and agree that two quality additions in January plus Leaburn delivering will take us up a level towards being truly competitive. But the damage is done / being done. Credibility and perceptions of capability are sinking fast! If I were an investor, I'd be minded to allow things to fail further, then bring in my own people to assess the situation. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 3, 2024 13:59:02 GMT
How do Birmingham get away with spending that much ? We are told no more at Charlton. Yes they sell more seats but that can't be the reason?.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:04:51 GMT
How do Birmingham get away with spending that much ? We are told no more at Charlton. Yes they sell more seats but that can't be the reason?. Mate, they have rich owners who are heavily investing to take them up the leagues, there is nothing in the rules to stop them doing this and they can spend plenty more in January………and it’s nothing to do with the amount of seats they sell….. We stagnated after 7 incomings because we must have blown our alleged top 4/6 budget……We had to lose more wages to get more players in…….thats why there was no more…. Birmingham will play their games to full house 27000 gates every week and have a great buzz in the town……our crowds are in danger of falling off a cliff if we carry on the way we are going……..unfortunately it is what it is……. |
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Post by manikin on Oct 3, 2024 14:07:50 GMT
Why have our current owners bought the club? What did they, or do they hope to achieve?
What is the point of buying a club and not investing in the team, unless they do that in spades in January ( not a good month as we all know ) we once again have every chance of being in a relegation battle and really being the worst team in our history.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:09:18 GMT
The most frustrating thing for me this summer was that I thought we were just short of three real quality marquee signings which would have taken us forward…..a couple of midfielders to compliment Coventry and a younger version of Alfie…….Easier said then done I know but seeing players like Barry going to Stockport , Macatee going to Bolton, Keillor Dunne going to Barnsley and us stagnating after 7 incomings by July and then signing NJ’s old mates Campbell and Hylton summed up for me our ambition……. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?! At the time there were two camps: one chomping at the bit wanting another six or seven players, including another new keeper... the other wanting just a couple, be that late signings or EPL loans. What has transpired shows that there simply isn't a market wide, data driven approach to improve our squad. Instead the manager has been given free rein to bring in ex-Luton players who can assist with this "relentless, front footed" approach (whatever that means?!) We can still objectively assess where we are, and agree that two quality additions in January plus Leaburn delivering will take us up a level towards being truly competitive. But the damage is done / being done. Credibility and perceptions of capability are sinking fast! If I were an investor, I'd be minded to allow things to fail further, then bring in my own people to assess the situation. This isn’t hindsight though mate, we all knew what was required, more than a few of us said we were missing three marquee signings to take us forward…..but the budget clearly didnt allow…….. I agree with your last paragraph though but I wouldn’t be waiting too long…… |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:10:58 GMT
Why have our current owners bought the club? What did they, or do they hope to achieve? What is the point of buying a club and not investing in the team, unless they do that in spades in January ( not a good month as we all know ) we once again have every chance of being in a relegation battle and really being the worst team in our history. Yep fella, I have been boringly ( sorry guys) asking this same question on here since July when the signings stopped…….. |
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Post by se7sm on Oct 3, 2024 14:12:04 GMT
Why have our current owners bought the club? What did they, or do they hope to achieve? What is the point of buying a club and not investing in the team, unless they do that in spades in January ( not a good month as we all know ) we once again have every chance of being in a relegation battle and really being the worst team in our history. probably going to turn out to be a big scam With our luck😂 |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:15:37 GMT
Why have our current owners bought the club? What did they, or do they hope to achieve? What is the point of buying a club and not investing in the team, unless they do that in spades in January ( not a good month as we all know ) we once again have every chance of being in a relegation battle and really being the worst team in our history. probably going to turn out to be a big scam With our luck😂 Maybe the owners were told that the budget provided was sufficient for us to be promoted…….🤔🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 3, 2024 14:28:15 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?! At the time there were two camps: one chomping at the bit wanting another six or seven players, including another new keeper... the other wanting just a couple, be that late signings or EPL loans. What has transpired shows that there simply isn't a market wide, data driven approach to improve our squad. Instead the manager has been given free rein to bring in ex-Luton players who can assist with this "relentless, front footed" approach (whatever that means?!) We can still objectively assess where we are, and agree that two quality additions in January plus Leaburn delivering will take us up a level towards being truly competitive. But the damage is done / being done. Credibility and perceptions of capability are sinking fast! If I were an investor, I'd be minded to allow things to fail further, then bring in my own people to assess the situation. This isn’t hindsight though mate, we all knew what was required, more than a few of us said we were missing three marquee signings to take us forward…..but the budget clearly didnt allow…….. I agree with your last paragraph though but I wouldn’t be waiting too long…… Was the budget restricting us from signing EPL loans? Or was there no appetite coupled with a desire to give Academy lads a go / wait for Miles Leaburn to return. As kings hill addick has pointed out more than once the owners can inject equity whenever they choose to cover any losses above SCMP. Two things about football clubs: things can change very quickly AND many are suckered in by results, good and bad. Appleton was doing OK this time last season as we gently climbed the table, then both Chuks and Miles were injured, and he never won again! With Jones we've seen the club cede control to the manager (which some regard as a backwards step!) but we're no closer to a top six competitive side. Granted we finally have a top six defence, but our attacking threat is extremely poor. When one takes out xG from set pieces it's incredibly bad! So bad that we don't just need two quality additions, but also a complete rethink of our approach. And that has to be on the SMT / non execs which consist no less than three ex professionals, two with executive experience at EFL clubs. If we had met these people at the start of their tenure, we might have asked "what's the ambition, how will you get there, and what happens if you don't" Over the next 6-12 months I sense we're gonna find out the answer to the third part! |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 3, 2024 14:30:42 GMT
How do Birmingham get away with spending that much ? We are told no more at Charlton. Yes they sell more seats but that can't be the reason?. Mate, they have rich owners who are heavily investing to take them up the leagues, there is nothing in the rules to stop them doing this and they can spend plenty more in January………and it’s nothing to do with the amount of seats they sell….. We stagnated after 7 incomings because we must have blown our alleged top 4/6 budget……We had to lose more wages to get more players in…….thats why there was no more…. Birmingham will play their games to full house 27000 gates every week and have a great buzz in the town……our crowds are in danger of falling off a cliff if we carry on the way we are going……..unfortunately it is what it is……. |
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 3, 2024 14:32:10 GMT
Mundell wrote this could be wrong, but I think Birmingham City may have raised £11.5m not the “over £100m” suggested by Maguire, but it’s a lot of money nevertheless and, as he says, can be spent directly on the squad in its entirety. During their promotion season Ipswich did something very similar and raised almost £30m.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:36:54 GMT
This isn’t hindsight though mate, we all knew what was required, more than a few of us said we were missing three marquee signings to take us forward…..but the budget clearly didnt allow…….. I agree with your last paragraph though but I wouldn’t be waiting too long…… Was the budget restricting us from signing EPL loans? Or was there no appetite coupled with a desire to give Academy lads a go / wait for Miles Leaburn to return. As kings hill addick has pointed out more than once the owners can inject equity whenever they choose to cover any losses above SCMP. Two things about football clubs: things can change very quickly AND many are suckered in by results, good and bad. Appleton was doing OK this time last season as we gently climbed the table, then both Chuks and Miles were injured, and he never won again! With Jones we've seen the club cede control to the manager (which some regard as a backwards step!) but we're no closer to a top six competitive side. Granted we finally have a top six defence, but our attacking threat is extremely poor. When one takes out xG from set pieces it's incredibly bad! So bad that we don't just need two quality additions, but also a complete rethink of our approach. And that has to be on the SMT / non execs which consist no less than three ex professionals, two with executive experience at EFL clubs. If we had met these people at the start of their tenure, we might have asked "what's the ambition, how will you get there, and what happens if you don't" Over the next 6-12 months I sense we're gonna find out the answer to the third part! The budget didn’t restrict us getting loans in, Jones clearly didn’t want loans in apart from his mate Campbell…..the budget restricted us bringing the quality of players required to get us out of this league, all our competitors in league one snapped up all this quality that was available and they will all be vying for top 6 come next May……. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Oct 3, 2024 14:42:10 GMT
Mundell wrote this could be wrong, but I think Birmingham City may have raised £11.5m not the “over £100m” suggested by Maguire, but it’s a lot of money nevertheless and, as he says, can be spent directly on the squad in its entirety. During their promotion season Ipswich did something very similar and raised almost £30m. It doesn’t matter what finance Birmingham have raised, their owners can invest any amount they want to into the football club to take them up through the leagues… Pretty sure the FFP rules don’t apply the same in league one so owners can spend without impunity regardless of what revenues the club brings in…. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 3, 2024 17:11:52 GMT
Mundell wrote this could be wrong, but I think Birmingham City may have raised £11.5m not the “over £100m” suggested by Maguire, but it’s a lot of money nevertheless and, as he says, can be spent directly on the squad in its entirety. During their promotion season Ipswich did something very similar and raised almost £30m. It doesn’t matter what finance Birmingham have raised, their owners can invest any amount they want to into the football club to take them up through the leagues… Pretty sure the FFP rules don’t apply the same in league one so owners can spend without impunity regardless of what revenues the club brings in…. Birmingham are taking advantage of two exceptions: as a relegated club they are able to spend a higher proportion of revenue - either 70% or 75%? And like any other club might do, their owners are pumping in equity to pay for players. Assuming they win the League much of this won't count for the Championship calculation. |
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Post by lewisham on Oct 3, 2024 17:46:16 GMT
I don't think our owners are interested in making Charlton Athletic successful. It seems they just want to try and make a few quid sharpish for themselves and then piss off
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Post by valleydobson1 on Oct 3, 2024 17:49:15 GMT
I don't think our owners are interested in making Charlton Athletic successful. It seems they just want to try and make a few quid sharpish for themselves and then piss off But covering the losses. |
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Post by yorkshireaddick on Oct 4, 2024 16:18:55 GMT
I don't think our owners are interested in making Charlton Athletic successful. It seems they just want to try and make a few quid sharpish for themselves and then piss off But covering the losses. A money losing business can offsett profits elsewhere though. Reducing the tax payable. And in essence making you profit. I'm not sure that is what is happening here but it does happen. |
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Post by addicksi on Oct 4, 2024 16:38:27 GMT
I wonder whether the issue with us is not so much owners but the smt and what they are telling the owners.
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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 4, 2024 19:13:32 GMT
I don't think our owners are interested in making Charlton Athletic successful. It seems they just want to try and make a few quid sharpish for themselves and then piss off The only way to make money from CAFC ownership is to secure promotion to the Championship and then invest enough in the playing side to ensure that we finish mid-table. That in turn might lift the value of the club to £75M IF there are chances of moving towards the play-offs. I wonder whether the issue with us is not so much owners but the smt and what they are telling the owners. Although a win last Tuesday would have taken us back into the top six, we all know that we simply aren't creating enough chances to win games on a regular basis. If the owners have the appetite to keep going then they will be asking the SMT and football management for a plan for 2025. Give it another ten games and we fans plus the owners will see exactly where we are. The question is then what will it take to improve things in the January window - is it new players needed and/or a change in approach. Ultimately the owners bought into a multi year plan presented by Methven and the SMT. And they will expect us to be competitive... or at least an explanation as to what needs to change to return us to the top six. |
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Post by somerton on Oct 5, 2024 20:18:54 GMT
the championship is a money pit, the teams in the championship according to Macguire over the previous 5 seasons have made an operating loss of 2.8 billion pounders collectively.
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Post by chertseyaddick on Oct 13, 2024 15:30:51 GMT
It seems to me that in January we have players we desperately need to sign on new contracts, but others that need to go.
2nd group; Gillesphie, Potts, Watson, REG, perhaps AMB and TT (for reasons I can't fathom) even Gas, who I don't think has lived up to our initial analysis due to his lack of pace.
The elephant in the room is Aneke who I'd like to keep, only because he has the X-factor. But he will need to play most of a 90 after Xmas.
So January we likely need a pacy experienced forward, (Kevin Denkey) CB/utility Brendan Wiredu, quick CB to push ZM (no idea but look abroad).
Wont shift them all in one window, any worth a fee?
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