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Post by seriouslyred on Oct 19, 2024 23:12:52 GMT
The recent win over Birmingham has left everyone thrilled, particularly given the league leaders’ reputation and the team’s overall performance. However, it’s important to remember that it’s just one game. While the win was impressive, the change in formation was long overdue. The players appeared much more comfortable in this new system, and with some small tweaks tailored to future opponents, we can hope that Jones will stick with it. This win, while significant, isn’t what will define the season. The real test lies in how the team performs over the next 10 games. The football prior to Saturday had been some of the most uninspiring and lackluster in recent memory. If Jones avoids reverting to a five-man defense, and with Leaburn regaining full fitness, a top-six finish is within reach. However, consistency is key, and the team needs to build on this momentum to sustain long-term success. Birmingham was just one game but now we have two games with 4-4-2. In a week that will double to four! Leaburn played 35 minutes today and will ideally be available to start sometime soon. We look a very different proposition with him or Aneke up top, and Campbell on the wing. Consistency, coaching and building on what we have will ideally see us stay in the hunt for the play-offs. |
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Post by eric on Nov 9, 2024 17:47:59 GMT
The recent win over Birmingham has left everyone thrilled, particularly given the league leaders’ reputation and the team’s overall performance. However, it’s important to remember that it’s just one game. While the win was impressive, the change in formation was long overdue. The players appeared much more comfortable in this new system, and with some small tweaks tailored to future opponents, we can hope that Jones will stick with it. This win, while significant, isn’t what will define the season. The real test lies in how the team performs over the next 10 games. The football prior to Saturday had been some of the most uninspiring and lackluster in recent memory. If Jones avoids reverting to a five-man defense, and with Leaburn regaining full fitness, a top-six finish is within reach. However, consistency is key, and the team needs to build on this momentum to sustain long-term success. Birmingham was just one game but now we have two games with 4-4-2. In a week that will double to four! Leaburn played 35 minutes today and will ideally be available to start sometime soon. We look a very different proposition with him or Aneke up top, and Campbell on the wing. Consistency, coaching and building on what we have will ideally see us stay in the hunt for the play-offs. Play-offs are miles off . Five weeks since the last win , we’re looking more bottom six . Absolute dogshit transfer window beginning to show it’s true colours . Fucking shambles , Jones should fuck off and take his Luton mates with him . |
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Post by se7sm on Nov 9, 2024 18:02:14 GMT
Poor recruitment is the main problem, Wycombe currently top are a team of free transfers
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Post by valleydobson1 on Nov 9, 2024 18:20:17 GMT
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Post by earlpurple on Nov 10, 2024 17:26:23 GMT
Your link didn't work but I did get that annoying Adblock popup 3 times. The more it pops up the more I definitely do NOT want to send them any money.
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Post by anthony55 on Nov 11, 2024 12:06:54 GMT
Our recruitment has been mainly shit for years and when we do manage to sign a Decent player we sell them.
Blackett Taylor
Dobson
May.
I have absolutely no confidence in our senior management team and as long as they remain in place we shall remain a league one club.
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Post by valleydobson1 on Nov 11, 2024 14:53:41 GMT
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 11, 2024 16:30:47 GMT
He makes a good point. Defence isn't our issue. We are clueless with the ball, which baffles me to be honest. How professional footballers can look so poor and devoid of ideas when in possession makes no sense to me. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 11, 2024 19:28:53 GMT
Birmingham was just one game but now we have two games with 4-4-2. In a week that will double to four! Leaburn played 35 minutes today and will ideally be available to start sometime soon. We look a very different proposition with him or Aneke up top, and Campbell on the wing. Consistency, coaching and building on what we have will ideally see us stay in the hunt for the play-offs. Play-offs are miles off . Five weeks since the last win , we’re looking more bottom six . Absolute dogshit transfer window beginning to show it’s true colours . Fucking shambles , Jones should fuck off and take his Luton mates with him . We've lost one in seven playing 4-4-2 with two cup wins, plus three draws and a win in the League. That's the definition of mid-table mediocrity! And this isn't down to injuries seeing as only Jones and Ramsay would feature regularly. Aneke is out but Leaburn has been starting and playing 70 minutes. This squad can be put right in January. But everybody's asking why they decided not to fully address improving our attacking threat over the summer... why no additional winger nor CAM? Instead we've recruited a plethora of (ex Luton) defensive midfielders to add to Coventry, Taylor and Anderson. Berry is certainly a more attacking player but he is rarely selected to start. To be charitable one might consider this as growing pains?! But some wonder if sooner or later somebody is "thrown under the bus"! Over the next few weeks the club need to address this, then put things right in the January window. Let's see if we hear of any recognition of the causes. |
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Post by Mundell on Nov 11, 2024 21:59:25 GMT
He makes a good point. Defence isn't our issue. We are clueless with the ball, which baffles me to be honest. How professional footballers can look so poor and devoid of ideas when in possession makes no sense to me. I couldn’t agree more. The question is whether this is the players or the coaching? I saw Notts County play in the National League and I’ve watched a bit of Rochdale (both this season and last season) though not live in their case. They both play(ed) much better football than us at National League level, with much smaller budgets obviously. Now, that’s not to say that playing “better” football is always more effective - last season Notts were absurdly vulnerable at the back and failed to even challenge for the playoffs - but it does mean style is a choice. Jones has made some choices which are extreme. In part I worry that his choices are emotionally driven and not rational. If every tlme you concede a goal you claim someone didn’t win their header or wasn’t aggressive enough the impact is obvious. You end up obsessively focused on the wrong things. Jones has clearly made his choice. We’ve talked about the weaknesses of expected goals but that doesn’t mean there is no information in this data. After 14 league games our XgA is 10.76. Only Birmingham have done better. We’ve been very good defensively. However, our XgF is just 14.1. Only seven teams have fared worse. It’s very obvious where the problem is. Does Jones get this? Does he have any idea how to fix it? We have an expected goal difference of 3.34 after 14 matches or 0.24 per game. We are very marginally having the better of very low scoring games and that reflects our chronic inability to pass the ball and create chances. It’s possible we’ll continue to eke out points, but it’s dreadful to watch and it seems unlikely to be good enough to get us into the playoffs. This is on Jones. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 12, 2024 13:49:51 GMT
He makes a good point. Defence isn't our issue. We are clueless with the ball, which baffles me to be honest. How professional footballers can look so poor and devoid of ideas when in possession makes no sense to me. I couldn’t agree more. The question is whether this is the players or the coaching? I saw Notts County play in the National League and I’ve watched a bit of Rochdale (both this season and last season) though not live in their case. They both play(ed) much better football than us at National League level, with much smaller budgets obviously. Now, that’s not to say that playing “better” football is always more effective - last season Notts were absurdly vulnerable at the back and failed to even challenge for the playoffs - but it does mean style is a choice. Jones has made some choices which are extreme. In part I worry that his choices are emotionally driven and not rational. If every tlme you concede a goal you claim someone didn’t win their header or wasn’t aggressive enough the impact is obvious. You end up obsessively focused on the wrong things. Jones has clearly made his choice. We’ve talked about the weaknesses of expected goals but that doesn’t mean there is no information in this data. After 14 league games our XgA is 10.76. Only Birmingham have done better. We’ve been very good defensively. However, our XgF is just 14.1. Only seven teams have fared worse. It’s very obvious where the problem is. Does Jones get this? Does he have any idea how to fix it? We have an expected goal difference of 3.34 after 14 matches or 0.24 per game. We are very marginally having the better of very low scoring games and that reflects our chronic inability to pass the ball and create chances. It’s possible we’ll continue to eke out points, but it’s dreadful to watch and it seems unlikely to be good enough to get us into the playoffs. This is on Jones. Just to add that our xG from set pieces is up significantly this season at 6.4. But when we take that off our overall xG then xG from open play is appalling! At around seven that's half a goal a game, or 50% of that delivered by top 10 sides who are on roughly 13. Do the Manager, Technical Director and SMT appreciate this? And are they able to design, then execute a plan for 2025 to deliver improvements? And what will the owner / investors make of this latest development? |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 12, 2024 14:27:49 GMT
I couldn’t agree more. The question is whether this is the players or the coaching? I saw Notts County play in the National League and I’ve watched a bit of Rochdale (both this season and last season) though not live in their case. They both play(ed) much better football than us at National League level, with much smaller budgets obviously. Now, that’s not to say that playing “better” football is always more effective - last season Notts were absurdly vulnerable at the back and failed to even challenge for the playoffs - but it does mean style is a choice. Jones has made some choices which are extreme. In part I worry that his choices are emotionally driven and not rational. If every tlme you concede a goal you claim someone didn’t win their header or wasn’t aggressive enough the impact is obvious. You end up obsessively focused on the wrong things. Jones has clearly made his choice. We’ve talked about the weaknesses of expected goals but that doesn’t mean there is no information in this data. After 14 league games our XgA is 10.76. Only Birmingham have done better. We’ve been very good defensively. However, our XgF is just 14.1. Only seven teams have fared worse. It’s very obvious where the problem is. Does Jones get this? Does he have any idea how to fix it? We have an expected goal difference of 3.34 after 14 matches or 0.24 per game. We are very marginally having the better of very low scoring games and that reflects our chronic inability to pass the ball and create chances. It’s possible we’ll continue to eke out points, but it’s dreadful to watch and it seems unlikely to be good enough to get us into the playoffs. This is on Jones. Just to add that our xG from set pieces is up significantly this season at 6.4. But when we take that off our overall xG then xG from open play is appalling! At around seven that's half a goal a game, or 50% of that delivered by top 10 sides who are on roughly 13. Do the Manager, Technical Director and SMT appreciate this? And are they able to design, then execute a plan for 2025 to deliver improvements? And what will the owner / investors make of this latest development? They better bloody appreciate this and they better be working on a solution. It's obvious to anyone who watches even a single game of ours. Didn't xG get mentioned by Methven as a KPI for our manager? If so, Nathan is surely WELL below any target for xG. 0.5 xG per game from open play is just abysmal. It gets scary when you start to think Appleton football was better than Nathan football. Whilst I'm firmly of the opinion we shouldn't be changing manager yet. We change manager far too often. However, I've not been impressed with Nathan much at all. His recruitment has been odd. I'm not sure the move to 'manager' and having a bigger role in recruitment has actually worked out too well for us so far. I hope january is different. |
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Post by manikin on Nov 12, 2024 15:25:29 GMT
Just to add that our xG from set pieces is up significantly this season at 6.4. But when we take that off our overall xG then xG from open play is appalling! At around seven that's half a goal a game, or 50% of that delivered by top 10 sides who are on roughly 13. Do the Manager, Technical Director and SMT appreciate this? And are they able to design, then execute a plan for 2025 to deliver improvements? And what will the owner / investors make of this latest development? They better bloody appreciate this and they better be working on a solution. It's obvious to anyone who watches even a single game of ours. Didn't xG get mentioned by Methven as a KPI for our manager? If so, Nathan is surely WELL below any target for xG. 0.5 xG per game from open play is just abysmal. It gets scary when you start to think Appleton football was better than Nathan football. Whilst I'm firmly of the opinion we shouldn't be changing manager yet. We change manager far too often. However, I've not been impressed with Nathan much at all. His recruitment has been odd. I'm not sure the move to 'manager' and having a bigger role in recruitment has actually worked out too well for us so far. I hope january is different. Agree, but when did we last have a decent January window. I can see us picking up some out of contract players who are totally unfit and won't be until September and by then they'll be past it. |
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Post by earlpurple on Nov 12, 2024 21:23:01 GMT
January we should pick up loans.
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 13, 2024 9:07:33 GMT
January we should pick up loans. Let’s be honest, what decent loan player that could really improve us would want to join us at present…… We had the whole bloody summer to bring in the quality required with our top 4 budget…… Surely the owners must have watched Saturday and last night and thought what the bloody hell is going on with our investment….🤔🤔 |
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Post by eric on Nov 13, 2024 9:41:58 GMT
January we should pick up loans. Let’s be honest, what decent loan player that could really improve us would want to join us at present…… We had the whole bloody summer to bring in the quality required with our top 4 budget…… Surely the owners must have watched Saturday and last night and thought what the bloody hell is going on with our investment….🤔🤔 Do you honestly think the owners would waste their time watching that shit ? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 13, 2024 9:47:43 GMT
Let’s be honest, what decent loan player that could really improve us would want to join us at present…… We had the whole bloody summer to bring in the quality required with our top 4 budget…… Surely the owners must have watched Saturday and last night and thought what the bloody hell is going on with our investment….🤔🤔 Do you honestly think the owners would waste their time watching that shit ? Maybe you are right mate…….its tough enough for us as fans…….I just don’t quite get what these owners are getting out of this, pouring millions in, providing a top 4 budget with a squad struggling mid table in league one and struggling to beat an under strength Bromley side… |
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Post by clarky on Nov 13, 2024 10:22:18 GMT
Do you honestly think the owners would waste their time watching that shit ? Maybe you are right mate…….its tough enough for us as fans…….I just don’t quite get what these owners are getting out of this, pouring millions in, providing a top 4 budget with a squad struggling mid table in league one and struggling to beat an under strength Bromley side… I suspect that the owners, like many Charlton fans, were hoodwinked by Charlie boys bluster. The main difference between this regime and past regimes is a lower league position. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Nov 13, 2024 10:23:29 GMT
We definitely need to utilise the loan market. As I can't see us paying the fee's we would need to bring in quality attacking/creative/pacey players that we need. Loans give a chance to pick up the youngsters who have those attributes and are looking for first team footy to prove themselves.
Let's be clear. If these loans are stopping our Academy players from getting in the squad, then the Academy players aren't ready or aren't good enough!!
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Post by eric on Nov 13, 2024 10:30:57 GMT
Do you honestly think the owners would waste their time watching that shit ? Maybe you are right mate…….its tough enough for us as fans…….I just don’t quite get what these owners are getting out of this, pouring millions in, providing a top 4 budget with a squad struggling mid table in league one and struggling to beat an under strength Bromley side… We are a hard watch but as fans we stick with it . The owners are not fans who bought the club to make money . I think Leaburn would have been sold if he didn’t get injured to help with the running costs and they were expecting Joe Gomez to be sold to help with these too . I honestly don’t think they will hang around for too long . |
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Post by seriouslyred on Nov 13, 2024 14:08:00 GMT
We definitely need to utilise the loan market. As I can't see us paying the fee's we would need to bring in quality attacking/creative/pacey players that we need. Loans give a chance to pick up the youngsters who have those attributes and are looking for first team footy to prove themselves. Let's be clear. If these loans are stopping our Academy players from getting in the squad, then the Academy players aren't ready or aren't good enough!! The owners and Charlie Methven watch the same games as we do! There's a consensus emerging across social media and message boards that the style of play and the midfield is shockingly bad. There's no evidence of a system nor decent coaching so as to move the ball through the thirds. So the club need to use this month to agree the problem and the remedies... then ensure we bring in quality players in January AND address deficiencies in our approach. It's shockingly bad, but at least there's no hiding place behind bad luck or injuries. The question is then whether the SMT and management can effect change, or whether CAFC requires a change in management so as to push on in 2025. In short, loan players can easily solve our predicament, but the powers that be need to find a consensus around what's going wrong first. |
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Post by Mundell on Nov 13, 2024 20:32:12 GMT
We definitely need to utilise the loan market. As I can't see us paying the fee's we would need to bring in quality attacking/creative/pacey players that we need. Loans give a chance to pick up the youngsters who have those attributes and are looking for first team footy to prove themselves. Let's be clear. If these loans are stopping our Academy players from getting in the squad, then the Academy players aren't ready or aren't good enough!! The owners and Charlie Methven watch the same games as we do! There's a consensus emerging across social media and message boards that the style of play and the midfield is shockingly bad. There's no evidence of a system nor decent coaching so as to move the ball through the thirds. So the club need to use this month to agree the problem and the remedies... then ensure we bring in quality players in January AND address deficiencies in our approach. It's shockingly bad, but at least there's no hiding place behind bad luck or injuries. The question is then whether the SMT and management can effect change, or whether CAFC requires a change in management so as to push on in 2025. In short, loan players can easily solve our predicament, but the powers that be need to find a consensus around what's going wrong first. I agree with this, but I have two questions. First, if Jones had “quality players” available to him are we confident he’d know what to do with them? Bear in mind here that we’re talking about a player who is willing to play in League One so there’ll be some kind of trade off. We’re not looking at a version of Karoy Anderson with Cole Palmer’s ability on the ball. Second, Premier League clubs want their players to experience the right kind of environment, broadly, defined. Is anyone in their right mind going to want to send their skilful and creative youngster to a team playing kick and hope hoofball? Can we find a Premier League loan department whose primary focus is developing players to be “front footed”? I’m not optimistic for January. Right now I think the key question is how long does Jones survive? Nobody wants us to fire yet another manager, but I can’t see how Jones survives beyond the end of the season unless he can demonstrate he can achieve more with his current group of players. The uncertainty is whether he’ll run out of road before then. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Nov 13, 2024 22:03:45 GMT
The owners and Charlie Methven watch the same games as we do! There's a consensus emerging across social media and message boards that the style of play and the midfield is shockingly bad. There's no evidence of a system nor decent coaching so as to move the ball through the thirds. So the club need to use this month to agree the problem and the remedies... then ensure we bring in quality players in January AND address deficiencies in our approach. It's shockingly bad, but at least there's no hiding place behind bad luck or injuries. The question is then whether the SMT and management can effect change, or whether CAFC requires a change in management so as to push on in 2025. In short, loan players can easily solve our predicament, but the powers that be need to find a consensus around what's going wrong first. I agree with this, but I have two questions. First, if Jones had “quality players” available to him are we confident he’d know what to do with them? Bear in mind here that we’re talking about a player who is willing to play in League One so there’ll be some kind of trade off. We’re not looking at a version of Karoy Anderson with Cole Palmer’s ability on the ball. Second, Premier League clubs want their players to experience the right kind of environment, broadly, defined. Is anyone in their right mind going to want to send their skilful and creative youngster to a team playing kick and hope hoofball? Can we find a Premier League loan department whose primary focus is developing players to be “front footed”? I’m not optimistic for January. Right now I think the key question is how long does Jones survive? Nobody wants us to fire yet another manager, but I can’t see how Jones survives beyond the end of the season unless he can demonstrate he can achieve more with his current group of players. The uncertainty is whether he’ll run out of road before then. A dose of reality…..This is pretty much how I see it……Jones desperately needs to pick up some wins and soon…… |
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