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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 1, 2024 9:16:36 GMT
Annual survey of where members think we might be after 23 games. Please vote, and feel free to amend your choice later in September.
We're all pissed off about yesterday but let's reflect upon where we were 12 months back, and whether we are actually competing?
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Post by somerton on Sept 1, 2024 19:39:46 GMT
Mid table if we are lucky. I think we have seen the issues the squad has that will crop more often than would for a top 10 club.
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Post by ExeterAddick on Sept 1, 2024 19:42:11 GMT
Closer to 6th than 12th I reckon
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Post by reamsofverse on Sept 1, 2024 21:14:52 GMT
Midtable punching above our weight.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 2, 2024 1:16:43 GMT
Interesting 50:50 split in views after our first defeat. I'll leave the poll open well into September so we can use the next few games to modify our views.
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Post by petetongthereturn on Sept 2, 2024 6:44:39 GMT
No creativity equals no goals we may struggle .
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 2, 2024 20:31:25 GMT
21 votes already (normally secure 30-35) and still a 50:50 split.
The Rotherham game now confirmed... how we play and the actual result will definitely flick the needle on this poll.
In turn that can be taken as a proxy for fan sentiment with many believing that a top six finish is a definite possibility.
Obviously there's no right or wrong answer, so let's respect the views of others as our club's story develops.
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Post by wellingaddick on Sept 2, 2024 23:34:32 GMT
Had to go mid table, strong defence but woefully short on attacking ability.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 8, 2024 17:00:24 GMT
Still 50:50 after one more game - a good indication of the spread of views on this site.
FWIW opta analyst website now predicting we will end up eighth in a very tight finish, but the sample of four or five games is way too small - their forecast (which is on results, not xG) will become more meaningful after ten games.
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 9, 2024 10:36:51 GMT
Still 50:50 after one more game - a good indication of the spread of views on this site. FWIW opta analyst website now predicting we will end up eighth in a very tight finish, but the sample of four or five games is way too small - their forecast (which is on results, not xG) will become more meaningful after ten games. Hopefully by then the club will have stopped emailing several times a week trying to flog season tickets too. I don't think we have enough to sustain anything more than an outside chance of finishing in the top six. Winning the first three games has, I believe, put a very positive slant on where we are. Following that up with a defeat, away, to a team that I don't expect to finish top six and a draw at home changes that perspective. If we get nearer five points from our next five games (which must be a possibility) I think the early optimism will start to fade. I don't think it's realistic to expect January to change much, either. It's clear that there is little appetite for the current owners to 'speculate' by investing in the team. It is a big gamble, for those running the club/team, to play an unattractive 'win at all costs' style of football. It means that if we don't get results there is no redeeming feature to justify fans continuing to buy tickets. Many will watch nice football (with several goals) and many more will turn up to watch us win. Very few are going to be motivated to watch us lose 1-0, playing hoof ball. I still trust Nathan Jones but I don't think we have built a side (maybe even a squad) that has enough goals in it. Top sides have spells, during the season, where they claw out a succession of close (often 1-0) wins but they do have a lot of games where they score (and look like scoring) many more. I have seen no evidence, yet, that we have that. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 9, 2024 11:32:43 GMT
Still 50:50 after one more game - a good indication of the spread of views on this site. FWIW opta analyst website now predicting we will end up eighth in a very tight finish, but the sample of four or five games is way too small - their forecast (which is on results, not xG) will become more meaningful after ten games. Hopefully by then the club will have stopped emailing several times a week trying to flog season tickets too. I don't think we have enough to sustain anything more than an outside chance of finishing in the top six. Winning the first three games has, I believe, put a very positive slant on where we are. Following that up with a defeat, away, to a team that I don't expect to finish top six and a draw at home changes that perspective. If we get nearer five points from our next five games (which must be a possibility) I think the early optimism will start to fade. I don't think it's realistic to expect January to change much, either. It's clear that there is little appetite for the current owners to 'speculate' by investing in the team. It is a big gamble, for those running the club/team, to play an unattractive 'win at all costs' style of football. It means that if we don't get results there is no redeeming feature to justify fans continuing to buy tickets. Many will watch nice football (with several goals) and many more will turn up to watch us win. Very few are going to be motivated to watch us lose 1-0, playing hoof ball. I still trust Nathan Jones but I don't think we have built a side (maybe even a squad) that has enough goals in it. Top sides have spells, during the season, where they claw out a succession of close (often 1-0) wins but they do have a lot of games where they score (and look like scoring) many more. I have seen no evidence, yet, that we have that. First off the next five games can obviously have a variety of outcomes, most likely in the range 5-10 points. We're playing lower placed opponents but can we create and score more against them? The mood will shift accordingly. And those extra five results across all teams in the division will bring some clarity. As for where the goals come from, I suggest we watch these next few games then assess. Better set pieces and more fluid attack are the two obvious answers. Can NJ fine tune the current system or should we shift to a more aggressive formation? |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 9, 2024 15:29:01 GMT
Still 50:50 after one more game - a good indication of the spread of views on this site. FWIW opta analyst website now predicting we will end up eighth in a very tight finish, but the sample of four or five games is way too small - their forecast (which is on results, not xG) will become more meaningful after ten games. Hopefully by then the club will have stopped emailing several times a week trying to flog season tickets too. I don't think we have enough to sustain anything more than an outside chance of finishing in the top six. Winning the first three games has, I believe, put a very positive slant on where we are. Following that up with a defeat, away, to a team that I don't expect to finish top six and a draw at home changes that perspective. If we get nearer five points from our next five games (which must be a possibility) I think the early optimism will start to fade. I don't think it's realistic to expect January to change much, either. It's clear that there is little appetite for the current owners to 'speculate' by investing in the team. It is a big gamble, for those running the club/team, to play an unattractive 'win at all costs' style of football. It means that if we don't get results there is no redeeming feature to justify fans continuing to buy tickets. Many will watch nice football (with several goals) and many more will turn up to watch us win. Very few are going to be motivated to watch us lose 1-0, playing hoof ball. I still trust Nathan Jones but I don't think we have built a side (maybe even a squad) that has enough goals in it. Top sides have spells, during the season, where they claw out a succession of close (often 1-0) wins but they do have a lot of games where they score (and look like scoring) many more. I have seen no evidence, yet, that we have that. Really good balanced post this for which the vast majority I completely agree with…… You have to wonder what exactly are these owners in this for……To create the buzz that Birmingham and Wrexham have with full houses at each home game you have to invest in the team and not duck out when we bring 7 in initially and then have to offload any deadwood before we can bring anymore in…..this really didn’t make much sense to me especially after all the players wages we offloaded in the summer It feels like NJ had to go cap in hand to try and get a bit more money to bring in 2 players on short contracts in Potts and soon to be Hylton |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 9, 2024 16:01:34 GMT
Hopefully by then the club will have stopped emailing several times a week trying to flog season tickets too. I don't think we have enough to sustain anything more than an outside chance of finishing in the top six. Winning the first three games has, I believe, put a very positive slant on where we are. Following that up with a defeat, away, to a team that I don't expect to finish top six and a draw at home changes that perspective. If we get nearer five points from our next five games (which must be a possibility) I think the early optimism will start to fade. I don't think it's realistic to expect January to change much, either. It's clear that there is little appetite for the current owners to 'speculate' by investing in the team. It is a big gamble, for those running the club/team, to play an unattractive 'win at all costs' style of football. It means that if we don't get results there is no redeeming feature to justify fans continuing to buy tickets. Many will watch nice football (with several goals) and many more will turn up to watch us win. Very few are going to be motivated to watch us lose 1-0, playing hoof ball. I still trust Nathan Jones but I don't think we have built a side (maybe even a squad) that has enough goals in it. Top sides have spells, during the season, where they claw out a succession of close (often 1-0) wins but they do have a lot of games where they score (and look like scoring) many more. I have seen no evidence, yet, that we have that. Really good balanced post this for which the vast majority I completely agree with…… You have to wonder what exactly are these owners in this for……To create the buzz that Birmingham and Wrexham have with full houses at each home game you have to invest in the team and not duck out when we bring 7 in initially and then have to offload any deadwood before we can bring anymore in…..this really didn’t make much sense to me especially after all the players wages we offloaded in the summer It feels like NJ had to go cap in hand to try and get a bit more money to bring in 2 players on short contracts in Potts and soon to be Hylton I think this all comes down to the promises that Charlie Methven made to the investors about how he could achieve success without any significant investment. Clearly Birmingham's relegation and Wrexham's promotion have made that more difficult but I suspect that the investors are willing to be patient on the basis that the playoffs are a one in four chance of success without the need for anywhere near the investment that top two requires. This is especially true if the academy can provide three plus players each season and a massive windfall every two or three years. The risk is that a one in four chance is still most likely to end up without promotion and if the 'penny pinching' leaves the club finishing 7th or lower we don't even have that 25% chance. My biggest worry is that Methven has overplayed his ability to put together a team that can get enough value out of the budget and/or raise revenues to increase the budget. If it is true that we have had a top six budget since we were relegated in 2020 (never mind top four, which we keep being told it is) then the club has failed to even achieve par - never mind exceed it. I know that the current owners haven't been here for four seasons but they were certainly involved, if not in control, for the squad that started last season. I think we are playing too many youth players before they are ready, to be involved in a top six side, and we are too focused on future revenues and not on building the best possible side right now. I am also getting a little fed up being told again and again how fantastic the academy is. Contrary to what some at the club say, Charlton Athletic is not here for the sole purpose of providing the big clubs with talented teenagers that they can sell on for a massive profit. |
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 19, 2024 11:03:38 GMT
Really good balanced post this for which the vast majority I completely agree with…… You have to wonder what exactly are these owners in this for……To create the buzz that Birmingham and Wrexham have with full houses at each home game you have to invest in the team and not duck out when we bring 7 in initially and then have to offload any deadwood before we can bring anymore in…..this really didn’t make much sense to me especially after all the players wages we offloaded in the summer It feels like NJ had to go cap in hand to try and get a bit more money to bring in 2 players on short contracts in Potts and soon to be Hylton I think this all comes down to the promises that Charlie Methven made to the investors about how he could achieve success without any significant investment. Clearly Birmingham's relegation and Wrexham's promotion have made that more difficult but I suspect that the investors are willing to be patient on the basis that the playoffs are a one in four chance of success without the need for anywhere near the investment that top two requires. This is especially true if the academy can provide three plus players each season and a massive windfall every two or three years. The risk is that a one in four chance is still most likely to end up without promotion and if the 'penny pinching' leaves the club finishing 7th or lower we don't even have that 25% chance. My biggest worry is that Methven has overplayed his ability to put together a team that can get enough value out of the budget and/or raise revenues to increase the budget. If it is true that we have had a top six budget since we were relegated in 2020 (never mind top four, which we keep being told it is) then the club has failed to even achieve par - never mind exceed it. I know that the current owners haven't been here for four seasons but they were certainly involved, if not in control, for the squad that started last season. I think we are playing too many youth players before they are ready, to be involved in a top six side, and we are too focused on future revenues and not on building the best possible side right now. I am also getting a little fed up being told again and again how fantastic the academy is. Contrary to what some at the club say, Charlton Athletic is not here for the sole purpose of providing the big clubs with talented teenagers that they can sell on for a massive profit. Bumping this thread by replying so that members have a final chance to review their vote before closing the poll... Your last point first: The CAFC Academy has been fantastic over the years, but there aren't too many Academy players featuring in the first team this season. Campbell and Leaburn will have an impact on the season, but Anderson, Asiimwe and others have been replaced with the new players signed. They're all 20 this season and time will tell whether they make it with us. I think the SMT have done well to get us to this point given that which they inherited 14 months ago as we are now one of 10-12 clubs with genuine play-off aspirations as opposed to no hope at all by Christmas. What happens next will give us better insight into the club's aspirations: - will attendances rise as we play the top sides at The Valley? - will the £3-4M additional revenue mentioned by the CEO materialise* - how will the first team approach and deliver games 10-20? - if there's an obvious gap in the squad to be filled, or a serious long term injury, what will the club do in the January window? Having said all that it looks clear that Charlton are targetting that 25% chance of promotion via the play-offs. And that begs the question of how might we win the play-offs and/or sneak into second place if we have chances? All that is bound to be discussed later in the season. *there wasn't a breakdown on that £4M increase but it can only be made up of media, sponsorship, retail and matchday (including hospitality) revenues. How much do the SMT need to do to increase revenues, and how much simply happens as we climb the table? Attendances vary with performance and results but we have one of the worst commercial performances for a club of our size. Unfortunately we won't know the numbers until this season's accounts are released March 2026 so hard to tell, except for the gates. We can imagine that the owner/investors will be very keen to see growth in every area. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 19, 2024 11:45:18 GMT
I think this all comes down to the promises that Charlie Methven made to the investors about how he could achieve success without any significant investment. Clearly Birmingham's relegation and Wrexham's promotion have made that more difficult but I suspect that the investors are willing to be patient on the basis that the playoffs are a one in four chance of success without the need for anywhere near the investment that top two requires. This is especially true if the academy can provide three plus players each season and a massive windfall every two or three years. The risk is that a one in four chance is still most likely to end up without promotion and if the 'penny pinching' leaves the club finishing 7th or lower we don't even have that 25% chance. My biggest worry is that Methven has overplayed his ability to put together a team that can get enough value out of the budget and/or raise revenues to increase the budget. If it is true that we have had a top six budget since we were relegated in 2020 (never mind top four, which we keep being told it is) then the club has failed to even achieve par - never mind exceed it. I know that the current owners haven't been here for four seasons but they were certainly involved, if not in control, for the squad that started last season. I think we are playing too many youth players before they are ready, to be involved in a top six side, and we are too focused on future revenues and not on building the best possible side right now. I am also getting a little fed up being told again and again how fantastic the academy is. Contrary to what some at the club say, Charlton Athletic is not here for the sole purpose of providing the big clubs with talented teenagers that they can sell on for a massive profit. Bumping this thread by replying so that members have a final chance to review their vote before closing the poll... Your last point first: The CAFC Academy has been fantastic over the years, but there aren't too many Academy players featuring in the first team this season. Campbell and Leaburn will have an impact on the season, but Anderson, Asiimwe and others have been replaced with the new players signed. They're all 20 this season and time will tell whether they make it with us. I think the SMT have done well to get us to this point given that which they inherited 14 months ago as we are now one of 10-12 clubs with genuine play-off aspirations as opposed to no hope at all by Christmas. What happens next will give us better insight into the club's aspirations: - will attendances rise as we play the top sides at The Valley? - will the £3-4M additional revenue mentioned by the CEO materialise* - how will the first team approach and deliver games 10-20? - if there's an obvious gap in the squad to be filled, or a serious long term injury, what will the club do in the January window? Having said all that it looks clear that Charlton are targetting that 25% chance of promotion via the play-offs. And that begs the question of how might we win the play-offs and/or sneak into second place if we have chances? All that is bound to be discussed later in the season. *there wasn't a breakdown on that £4M increase but it can only be made up of media, sponsorship, retail and matchday (including hospitality) revenues. How much do the SMT need to do to increase revenues, and how much simply happens as we climb the table? Attendances vary with performance and results but we have one of the worst commercial performances for a club of our size. Unfortunately we won't know the numbers until this season's accounts are released March 2026 so hard to tell, except for the gates. We can imagine that the owner/investors will be very keen to see growth in every area. Without wanting to revisit an old, controversial, subject I suspect that the commercial performances are a consequence of the fans actions to make the club unmanageable to remove Roland Duchâtelet. I have not idea how easy it will be to reverse that decline but it is always easier to 'keep' customers/clients than it is to secure new ones. This is not the greatest economic situation to be asking people, and businesses, to spend more money at the club. Nor is the third division a very attractive place for sponsorship or corporate days out. The sad truth is that success in these areas (generating more income) comes from achievements on the pitch (promotion, mainly) and that requires investment. Either the owners speculate to get the club to where the income is significantly more, or someone needs to convince sponsors that Charlton in the third division is a worthwhile 'investment'. If neither, we continue to gamble that the management can achieve par based on the wage bill and then they can win a one in four chance at promotion. I am more optimistic as to where we will be after 23 games than I was at the start of the season - mainly as we have had a very good start. However, I still think that it is a very big ask for us to hold onto a top six place until May |
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Post by wellingaddick on Sept 19, 2024 12:16:26 GMT
Not changing my mind about mid-table, though will be very happy to be proved wrong.
At the moment Charlton are keeping up at the top, by virtue of converting pretty much every on target effort the team is creating. Sooner or later, that one chance is not going to go in. I think the Reading and Rotherham games were the benchmark for where the club stands right now with the personell it has to make do with until the January window.
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Post by manikin on Sept 19, 2024 12:41:19 GMT
Just hope we get stronger over the next few weeks with Edwards and Leaburn coming back. Edun, Taylor and Godden all knocking on the door, plus one or two of our youngsters coming through. Might be dreaming, but if we can stay serious injury free I think we could be where we want to be at the end of the season.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 19, 2024 13:20:42 GMT
Not changing my mind about mid-table, though will be very happy to be proved wrong. At the moment Charlton are keeping up at the top, by virtue of converting pretty much every on target effort the team is creating. Sooner or later, that one chance is not going to go in. I think the Reading and Rotherham games were the benchmark for where the club stands right now with the personell it has to make do with until the January window. Likewise, I'm not changing my mind on attaining 37+ points at the halfway mark - not unless the facts tell us otherwise in the future. We were at both those games and not pretty, but the defense solid as ever. As posted elsewhere by myself and others, we will be a different proposition with Leaburn and Edwards back in the frame. Plus we play rivals such as Blackpool, Wrexham, Stevenage, Stockport and Barnsley by end October. |
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Post by aaronaldo on Sept 19, 2024 13:56:39 GMT
I'm still happy with my 37 point '6th' vote. It might not be pretty right now but we're well on target for the moment.
We certainly need some improvement though if we want to keep this up. Losen the strings a little when attacking.
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Post by seriouslyred on Sept 19, 2024 14:29:40 GMT
Bumping this thread by replying so that members have a final chance to review their vote before closing the poll... Your last point first: The CAFC Academy has been fantastic over the years, but there aren't too many Academy players featuring in the first team this season. Campbell and Leaburn will have an impact on the season, but Anderson, Asiimwe and others have been replaced with the new players signed. They're all 20 this season and time will tell whether they make it with us. I think the SMT have done well to get us to this point given that which they inherited 14 months ago as we are now one of 10-12 clubs with genuine play-off aspirations as opposed to no hope at all by Christmas. What happens next will give us better insight into the club's aspirations: - will attendances rise as we play the top sides at The Valley? - will the £3-4M additional revenue mentioned by the CEO materialise* - how will the first team approach and deliver games 10-20? - if there's an obvious gap in the squad to be filled, or a serious long term injury, what will the club do in the January window? Having said all that it looks clear that Charlton are targetting that 25% chance of promotion via the play-offs. And that begs the question of how might we win the play-offs and/or sneak into second place if we have chances? All that is bound to be discussed later in the season. *there wasn't a breakdown on that £4M increase but it can only be made up of media, sponsorship, retail and matchday (including hospitality) revenues. How much do the SMT need to do to increase revenues, and how much simply happens as we climb the table? Attendances vary with performance and results but we have one of the worst commercial performances for a club of our size. Unfortunately we won't know the numbers until this season's accounts are released March 2026 so hard to tell, except for the gates. We can imagine that the owner/investors will be very keen to see growth in every area. Without wanting to revisit an old, controversial, subject I suspect that the commercial performances are a consequence of the fans actions to make the club unmanageable to remove Roland Duchâtelet. I have not idea how easy it will be to reverse that decline but it is always easier to 'keep' customers/clients than it is to secure new ones. This is not the greatest economic situation to be asking people, and businesses, to spend more money at the club. Nor is the third division a very attractive place for sponsorship or corporate days out. The sad truth is that success in these areas (generating more income) comes from achievements on the pitch (promotion, mainly) and that requires investment. Either the owners speculate to get the club to where the income is significantly more, or someone needs to convince sponsors that Charlton in the third division is a worthwhile 'investment'. If neither, we continue to gamble that the management can achieve par based on the wage bill and then they can win a one in four chance at promotion. I am more optimistic as to where we will be after 23 games than I was at the start of the season - mainly as we have had a very good start. However, I still think that it is a very big ask for us to hold onto a top six place until May The legacy with some fans boycotting ST sales, merchandising etc is what it is. How many return is a question of individual choice, and perhaps their circumstances. For me, it will always be our club and nobody takes that away unless the whole thing falls over. The challenge for the SMT is to attract back some of those fans who have left through protest or simply pissed off with years of average performance. And to attract new fans from the local area based upon decent marketing re price, performance and being a good day out etc. As for the economic situation, some 20% of the UK population are millionaires when one counts property, pensions and other assets. We might assume that CAFC has a similar proportion of wealthy fans, perhaps more given that we are mostly based in SE London and Kent. An expression I picked up when working in Ireland is that we are in a K shaped recovery - Some are very well off with work in the right sectors and disposable income whilst others are caught on minimum wage with declining prospects. One could argue what has this to do with the football? Well, the ask of the SMT is to convince those wealthy fans to do their bit for our club through sponsorship and hospitality. Nothing that happened 2016-2018 changes the fact that our club need to increase its sponsorship and hospitality revenue to become more in line with clubs of our size. The increase in these revenues should contribute to both a more sustainable club and higher wage budgets. Most importantly, make our club more likely to win promotion as well as attractive to existing and future investors. |
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Post by aucklandaddick on Sept 19, 2024 15:30:18 GMT
Not changing my mind about mid-table, though will be very happy to be proved wrong. At the moment Charlton are keeping up at the top, by virtue of converting pretty much every on target effort the team is creating. Sooner or later, that one chance is not going to go in. I think the Reading and Rotherham games were the benchmark for where the club stands right now with the personell it has to make do with until the January window. A Pretty realistic view here which I agree with…….I can’t see us being that successful in games once we go a goal behind as we don’t have a plan B We will win a few 1-0s with our attritional football but lose a few once we have to chase games…….. |
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Post by kings hill addick on Sept 19, 2024 16:22:01 GMT
Without wanting to revisit an old, controversial, subject I suspect that the commercial performances are a consequence of the fans actions to make the club unmanageable to remove Roland Duchâtelet. I have not idea how easy it will be to reverse that decline but it is always easier to 'keep' customers/clients than it is to secure new ones. This is not the greatest economic situation to be asking people, and businesses, to spend more money at the club. Nor is the third division a very attractive place for sponsorship or corporate days out. The sad truth is that success in these areas (generating more income) comes from achievements on the pitch (promotion, mainly) and that requires investment. Either the owners speculate to get the club to where the income is significantly more, or someone needs to convince sponsors that Charlton in the third division is a worthwhile 'investment'. If neither, we continue to gamble that the management can achieve par based on the wage bill and then they can win a one in four chance at promotion. I am more optimistic as to where we will be after 23 games than I was at the start of the season - mainly as we have had a very good start. However, I still think that it is a very big ask for us to hold onto a top six place until May The legacy with some fans boycotting ST sales, merchandising etc is what it is. How many return is a question of individual choice, and perhaps their circumstances. For me, it will always be our club and nobody takes that away unless the whole thing falls over. The challenge for the SMT is to attract back some of those fans who have left through protest or simply pissed off with years of average performance. And to attract new fans from the local area based upon decent marketing re price, performance and being a good day out etc. As for the economic situation, some 20% of the UK population are millionaires when one counts property, pensions and other assets. We might assume that CAFC has a similar proportion of wealthy fans, perhaps more given that we are mostly based in SE London and Kent. An expression I picked up when working in Ireland is that we are in a K shaped recovery - Some are very well off with work in the right sectors and disposable income whilst others are caught on minimum wage with declining prospects. One could argue what has this to do with the football? Well, the ask of the SMT is to convince those wealthy fans to do their bit for our club through sponsorship and hospitality. Nothing that happened 2016-2018 changes the fact that our club need to increase its sponsorship and hospitality revenue to become more in line with clubs of our size. The increase in these revenues should contribute to both a more sustainable club and higher wage budgets. Most importantly, make our club more likely to win promotion as well as attractive to existing and future investors. I wasn't, really, talking about fans I was referring to businesses that would generate sponsorship and large scale corporate entertainment. I am confident that the club has fleeced the fans, more than enough, per head, thank you very much. |
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Post by gmantaxi on Sept 19, 2024 18:07:59 GMT
Top 6
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Post by aaronaldo on Oct 1, 2024 20:34:06 GMT
You missed a category. “Bottom half”
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Post by wiggyatthebackpost on Oct 1, 2024 20:34:48 GMT
I meant bottom 6
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Post by petetongthereturn on Oct 1, 2024 20:38:13 GMT
No creativity equals no goals we may struggle . Cough cough |
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Post by roburwash on Oct 1, 2024 21:16:10 GMT
At the moment we are playing like a team that could actually get relegated.
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Post by kings hill addick on Oct 2, 2024 13:18:55 GMT
30 points certainly doesn't look like a dead cert now. 4 points in the last 5 games and with our next 4 games being against the top two, Stockport and Barnsley we could well be looking over our shoulder by the time we play Exeter on the 9th November.
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